Talk:Universe

Well! Now this is quite the article. Good job! I "appreciate" it ^^ – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 19:50, January 30, 2007 (GMT)

Standardizing Universe article names

I think we should decide on standardizing the names of the various universe pages. The site is currently torn between naming its universe pages as the franchises are commonly referred to by the press + (universe) and as the name of each franchise's general world + (universe). It seems we have to choose one naming convention over another, and here's the two alternatives that I got (and for consistency we should choose all of what's in one column over all of what's in the other):

Franchise Name Approach vs. World's Name Approach

• Mario (universe) vs. Mushroom Kingdom (universe)
• Donkey Kong (universe) vs. DK Island (universe)
• Yoshi (universe) vs. Yoshi's Island (universe)
• The Legend of Zelda (universe) vs. Hyrule (universe)
• Metroid (universe) vs. Planet Zebes (universe) (This World Name Approach alternative is iffy because Brawl could feature a stage based on a Metroid Prime planet like Tallon IV or Aether, and there doesn't seem to be a name for the galaxy in which all the Metroid universe planets including Zebes appear in.)
• Kirby (universe) vs. Dream Land (universe)
• Star Fox (universe) vs. Lylat System (universe) (or should it be Sector Z (universe)?)
• Pokémon (universe) vs. ??? (I don't think there's a World's Name Approach alternative here because it's an unnamed Pokémon world separated into giant regions with names.)
• F-Zero (universe) vs. F-Zero Grand Prix (universe) (Is there a name for the F-Zero galaxy?)
• Earthbound (universe) vs. Eagleland (universe)
• Ice Climber (universe) vs. Infinite Glacier (universe)
• Fire Emblem (universe) vs. ??? (a World's Name Approach alternative isn't available because there're many indepent FE worlds with continents-treated-like-worlds like Akaneia and Elibe and Magvel and what not.)
• Game & Watch (universe) vs. Superflat World (universe)
• Kid Icarus (universe) vs. Angel Land (universe)
• Metal Gear (universe) vs. ??? (This series takes place on our own Earth, so the World's Name Approach doesn't look like it would work because we shouldn't have a page called Earth (universe) and expect people to look that up for Metal Gear content)

Looking at what I've got above, it seems much safer and more consistent to call all of the main universe articles by what's in the Franchise Name Approach column, and have the links on the right column redirect to the articles on the left column. In addition, many of the World's Name Approach alternative names in the second column aren't even accurate because, for instance, Zelda games have taken place in areas that are not Hyrule (Termina, for one), while there have been Mario games not set in the Mushroom Kingdom (e.g. Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga are set in the Beanbean Kingdom). I really think all universe articles should be named after what's in the left column to be both accurate and consistent, so I'll start moving and creating the pages shortly if there aren't objections. Erik the Appreciator 18:04, February 19, 2007 (GMT)

That sounds fine to me. My only remaining concern is whether we should just scrap the "universe" moniker and start calling them franchises, because that sounds to me like a more logical term to use (and I think it won't require any extra explanation that "universe" might). --Kirby King 22:07, February 20, 2007 (GMT)

Well, I dunno, I think the term Universe is used more often than Franchise at the Smashboards and other forums. Erik the Appreciator 22:19, February 20, 2007 (GMT)

Bizarre! I created a one-sentence Game & Watch (universe) page but going there takes you to this other page simply called Game as if it were a redirect, which it isn't, and it doesn't say "Redirected from Game & Watch (universe)" at the top. Click Game & Watch, a page that wasn't ever created for all I know, and the same thing happens: you're at this mysterious page called Game, which I now made as a half-page of sorts. Is there a programming error with the site? Erik the Appreciator 22:29, February 20, 2007 (GMT)

Click the Superflat World (universe) redirect I just made and you're taken to the Game & Watch universe page I just made. Hmm... Erik the Appreciator 22:32, February 20, 2007 (GMT)

We had this problem with Mr. Game & Watch. The Wiki software doesn't like ampersands in the title name. The best we can do, for now, is use the word "and" instead of "&" and put {{titlewrong|Game & Watch universe}} at the beginning of the article. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 23:49, February 20, 2007 (GMT)

I guess we should just treat & as "and" throughout the entire site and make it official as a policy. This programming deficiency certainly isn't as serious as the Green Shell access glitch, however... that would certainly prevent the site from reaching its goals completely, unless this can be fixed somehow. Erik the Appreciator 00:09, February 21, 2007 (GMT)

Emblem Images

It is well known that characters and stages have these emblems as symbols to indicate which franchise and universe they are associated with, so that Mario, Luigi, Bowser, etc. have the emblem that identifies them as part of the Mario universe, that Super Mushroom symbol; Yoshi has the egg symbol as the Yoshi universe's emblem; Donkey Kong universe is identified by a DK symbol; and the Fire Emblem, uh, emblem is the sword image. The Universe articles are divided pretty much by what the emblems represent, so I think pictures of each emblem on top of each respective Universe article would be a great way to start off each page. If anyone can upload images of the character emblems into these pages, that'd be great! Erik the Appreciator 02:24, February 24, 2007 (GMT)

Directory template

Should there be a Universe directory template at the bottom of this page and at the bottom of all the Universe pages? I think that's what a template is for in this case. Right now I have to go to the Universe category or type in the names of universe pages to access them otherwise. Erik the Appreciator 21:01, April 13, 2007 (GMT)

Will upload new fighter pictures

I find that a great way to improve the image setup of the fighters in all the universe pages is to use images like what you see in this Nintendorks image gallery; these are smaller icon-like images that are different from the images on the main fighter pages. They would be easier to fit on the pages so that images for different game versions of the same fighter character can be put on one page. I cropped and saved all those Nintendorks images separately, and I made similar images for all the characters' SSB versions using the SSB images already used on this site. I am ready and willing to upload these for use in the Universe pages. Erik the Appreciator 00:49, May 27, 2007 (GMT)

So I did it all, should look a lot better now. Erik the Appreciator 02:02, May 27, 2007 (GMT)

Collectibles subsections

Now that Brawl has revealed three separate categories of collectible items - Trophies, Stickers, and CDs - I'm thinking that a good way to list them all in the Universe articles without having too many subheaders crammed into there would be to have all three of those be merged into larger subsections called Collectibles, so that revealed trophies and Stickers for the Mario series would be listed under a Collectibles subheading in the Brawl section. Having separate subsections for Trophies and Stickers in each page's Brawl section seems awkward because they would have very few items listed underneath each one for now. Thoughts? Erik the Appreciator 03:19, September 24, 2007 (EDT)

"DS universe"?

Today's update shows a new symbol that looks like the two screens of a DS system (and the symbol is named the same way as the other universe symbols). This is certainly bizarre, since it doesn't seem like it's a game franchise with characters, so I would recommend on holding off on making a universe article for that symbol until we got more info. Thoughts? Erik the Appreciator 03:19, October 22, 2007 (EDT)

Agreed. Man, today's update is bizarre in SO many ways. -Thores 03:27, October 22, 2007 (EDT)