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Featured Article

How did this page become a featured article? It was widely opposed since the game hasn't been released yet and that we don't know if there's anymore content. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 22:51, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

Because we are not using the FA system for a while due to high traffic, I flipped it over to this article to get rid of pocket. This article is more than complete enough to be featured. All of the oppose votes were from before the recent Direct, and the article is considerably more complete now. Serpent  King 21:33, 12 August 2018 (EDT)

Smash Ultimate Character Order

The website for Ultimate not only lists the stages in their own order but also the characters. If we're going through the trouble of having the stages in releases order, why not the characters in their numbered order? I understand grouping the characters by series may be easier to find them, but doesn't it make sense to make it match the game's order? (of course newcomers would still be separated) I feel the Mario Wiki did a great job doing so (even adding their numbers and emblems) https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate , can't we do here too? 47.199.44.226 (talk • contribs) 06:34pm, 13 August 2018 (EDT

This is already being discussed here. VoqéoT 18:39, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

(I am just an anonymous user, so my statement may not mean much.) I feel like we should put the characters in their numbered order. This is the first time we have an actual confirmed order. The last time this happened (in a sense) on the wiki was for Smash 64, where the characters matched their select screen locations. None since have matched the order like that on the wiki, instead being ordered by the game series inclusion into Smash with a few exceptions. On the character pages, we can do something like what we’re doing to the stages that were in Melee. For example, Onett is “Eagleland: Onett”. The characters on their Ultimate page can be like “10: Ness”. I really like how it is currently done on the Mario Wiki for Ultimate https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate With the only surprising thing being that it’s on the Mario Wiki and not the Smash Bros. Wiki. They even included the character’s series’ logo, and if there’s additional info (Like with Pokémon Trainer and pallet swaps). All that said, I feel like we should at least sort them by their number/select-screen-location. 47.199.44.226 (talk • contribs) 12:34am, 16 August 2018 (EDT)

Either the character order or the stage order should be changed. It feels inconsistent to have the fighters listed by series, but the stages listed by debut. Either we should adopt the Fighter # system for the character section or re-order the stages to be by-series rather than by debut. --Burb (talk) 16:10, 19 August 2018 (EDT)

It would make sense to change the order of the characters to match the numbers since that's what Nintendo is doing for Ultimate. But yeah, it does seem off if the stages and characters orders do not match each other. (talk • contribs) 10:19pm, 19 August 2018 (EDT)

I would just edit it myself, but I can't as an anonymous user since the page is currently "protected". I also feel it would be easier to change the order of characters on the page as there are less than the number of stages. Can someone please change the order of fighters to match their number order for Ultimate?(talk • contribs) 11:08pm, 28 August 2018 (EDT)

The order of stages has already been changed to match the order of stages we use for all other games. We will not be ordering characters by their Sakurai numbers on this page for the same reason. Toomai Glittershine The Yoshi 23:12, 28 August 2018 (EDT)

Was that decision made to keep consistency across the wiki? I can't think of any other reason to keep that order in Ultimate's case. Also, when was that decision reached? Because I don't see it on this page.(talk • contribs) 11:30pm, 28 August 2018 (EDT)

Yoshi's Island location

I feel like Yoshi's Island should be after Yoshi's Story The Smashing Hit (talk) 20:13, 17 August 2018 (EDT)

About that. The Stages page on Ultimate's website has Yoshi's Island after Story, even though Story came before Island in Melee. Also, new discussions are to go in seperate sections (just click the "new section" button at the top of the page). Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 21:22, 17 August 2018 (EDT)

Codec Conversations and Palutena's Guidance

Do you think both Codec Conversations and Palutena's Guidances will return in this game.

That doesn't matter now. This isn't what the talk page is for. Also sign your comments. 75.141.57.33 19:51, 1 September 2018 (EDT)

The Silhouettes at the reveal trailer

I remember there being some talk over who the silhouettes were and the page said that Samus, Bowser, and DK were clearly viewable. I thought that if we didn't include any other characters we shoudn't include these three. Now that Dark Samus was revealed, would you have still said Samus was clearly viewable? 98.116.134.108 15:41, 22 August 2018 (EDT)

This seems like a pointless thing to argue about now that it doesn't matter. Laikue (talk | contribs) 11:46, 23 August 2018 (EDT)

I'm not arguing, it's just that the some users say the wiki isn't for speculation. If a similar scenario comes up in the future, I'd say we just not assume anything at all. 98.116.134.108 13:47, 23 August 2018 (EDT)

We know it's not Dark Samus through deductive reasoning. A lot of articles for the game have observations that are based on deduction rather than being able to directly handle those aspects of the game. There's a difference between that and haphazard speculation. [[143.115.155.57 18:32, 17 September 2018 (EDT)]]

WHERE THE HECK IS WALUIGI

Waluigi was only made to give Wario a partner —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stormaggedon28 (talk • contribs) 11:41, September 3, 2018 (EST)

This is improper use of a talk page. See SW:TALK.

Also, please sign your comments by typing four tildes (~~~~). See SW:SIG. — Nokii (T·C·L) 09:04, 3 September 2018 (EDT)

Music Page

Should we create a "Music (SSBU)" page to start collecting confirmed pieces? Obviously we don't yet have enough info to do the series-music sub-pages yet, but I'm wondering if it's worth starting on the music page for the game as a whole. However I'm unsure if it's worth it with which is why I'm asking here for more informed opinions of more experienced wikiers whether we don't have enough info to justify it yet (with just under 200 tracks confirmed) or whether it's worth getting it somewhat ready ahead of time to reduce the effort when the game releases. TheDavsto (talk) 15:32, 16 September 2018 (EDT)

We already have the confirmed music under the universe pages, it's best to wait until launch to do something like this. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 15:39, 16 September 2018 (EDT)

Makes sense, thank you TheDavsto (talk) 16:38, 16 September 2018 (EDT)

Acknowledging "bonus" (model swap) characters

Hello there. I'm sort of new to the SmashWiki. If no one minds me suggesting this, shouldn't we acknowledge on the Characters section of Smash Ultimate's confirmed content that Alph and the seven Koopalings are once again playable via Olimar and Bowser Jr.'s alternate costumes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smashkirby (talk • contribs) 03:04, 23 September 2018

Please sign your comments with four tildes (~) and also, all new topics go at the bottom of the page. Additionally, said information is already included in the footnotes. 72.133.91.93 22:28, 22 September 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

smash ultimate characters

how come the koopalings and alph aren't on smash ultimate pics

Please remember to sign your comments with four tildes (so four of these: ~) and we’ve never had photos for the model swap characters. As I told the last person who asked this, they are already mentioned in the footnotes. 107.77.218.90 16:41, 26 September 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105

Sheik is a boy?!

So the newest blog post is about Shiek. It say: Now Sheik joins the battle wearing the Sheikah costume from The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. Keep the pressure on your opponent by using his speedy dash to quickly close in on (or get away from) your opponent! This summary refers to Sheik as "he". Does that mean that Sheik is a boy?! If so, then how does that make any logical sense?! Sorry if this isn't what discussions on this wiki are for, if that's true, then you can let me know. I just wanted to point this out somewhere. 24.6.217.5 23:10, 1 October 2018 (PDT)

We're already aware of it. I don't think this changes our stance on the matter though. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 02:30, 2 October 2018 (EDT)

That's a typo/mistranslation. SuperFalconBros (talk) 09:52, 2 October 2018 (EDT)

Probably not very likely, given the 'mistranslation' is translated in other languages as well. Check for yourself, don't just take my word for it. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 10:04, 2 October 2018 (EDT)

Why is that unlikely? The other languages were either translated from the English translation, carrying the error forward, or they were translated from the original Japanese, which doesn't have any gendered pronouns/possessives in it in the first place. It's a well-known issue with Japanese translations that you have to insert gendered pronouns that were not present in the original text, and someone who isn't knowledge about the character, or got careless, used the wrong one here. Not to mention, the blog posts in other languages I understand (French and Spanish) either don't use a pronoun/possessive at all, or use a gender-neutral one (like "ses" in French). SuperFalconBros (talk) 10:16, 2 October 2018 (EDT)

We'll have to wait and see what pronouns are used in the final release of Ultimate. However, while I agree that it could very easily be an error, Sheik's gender is notoriously inconsistent. It's only recently that Nintendo of America has solidified that Sheik is female, and even then their are inconsistencies (such as where Sheik is referred to as a "young man" in Zelda's trophy description in Smash 4).. It is just as likely intentional at this point. Nintendo101 (talk) 16:46, 2 October 2018 (EDT)