Forum:Create "instant KO/death" article

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This discussion is in regards to a proposed change on SmashWiki. The discussion must first meet with a consensus before it is implemented.

Currently, Instant KO redirects to One-hit KO. Terminology aside, the article includes several examples of true "instant KOs" that clearly do not belong in the article, which is otherwise essentially a list of particularly powerful launching attacks. The instant KO examples, however, are not launching attacks, and some of them aren't attacks at all. They are things like Danger Zones, Obliviate, and getting crushed. This list is not complete even for Smash 4 instances, and Ultimate looks to be getting several more, seen with Final Smashes, Mimimkyu, KOs in stamina mode until the last stock, and more.

Given that these instant death effects are not the same as mere powerful OHKO moves, and given that Ultimate will be significantly expanding their number of unique instances, I propose creating a separate article for them with the title Instant KO and removing the redirect. If that terminology is contentious, I'm fine with using another name and keeping the redirect, but Instant KO is ideal in my opinion.

The article will initially include at least the following (with links to existing articles where appropriate, rather than extensive details):

• Danger Zones
• Orne's Obliviate effect
• Crushing on Pirate Ship (Brawl only) and Midgar
• Crushing in SSE
• Infernal Climax
• Ridley's Final Smash
• Triforce of Wisdom
• Mimikyu
• Death's Scythe
• Ultimate Chimera (Ultimate only)
• Stamina KOs in Ultimate

I'll gladly add all this if approved. SuperFalconBros (talk) 17:50, 29 August 2018 (EDT)

Are you leaving out Triforce of Wisdom and Infernal Climax? Aidan, the Rurouni 17:53, 29 August 2018 (EDT)

I had Infernal Climax on there, but forgot Triforce of Wisdom. Thanks! SuperFalconBros (talk) 17:54, 29 August 2018 (EDT)

So basically, this refers to the ones that destroy the opponent on the spot rather than sending them off the blast lines, right? This seems like the most appropriate way to go about it, so I support the split. However, I do think that it needs a different name than "Instant KO" to more easily distinguish the two, as many people use it as a synonym for an OHKO. Maybe we could get rid of the distinction with Obliviate and go with that as a catch-all? DryKirby64 (talk) 18:07, 29 August 2018 (EDT)

I do want to point out that numerous articles already use "instantly KO'd" to refer to the destruction effect (Infernal Climax, Obliviate, Danger Zone, crush, Ridley, the list goes on). I think it's a very natural way of phrasing it, and I think disambiguation text at the top of the new article ("for attacks powerful enough to KO in one hit, see One-hit KO") would suffice. SuperFalconBros (talk) 18:33, 29 August 2018 (EDT)

I support the split, but I feel like we should also perhaps bring up that "one-hit KO" moves fail to KO in caves of life (including no KO stages), while instant KOs bypass the blast lines and do work in caves of life. --Luigifan18 (talk) 19:51, 31 August 2018 (EDT)

I created the proposed article in my namespace here. Adding a few images is on my to-do list. SuperFalconBros (talk) 20:04, 31 August 2018 (EDT)

I have added images and consider the article in a good state for adding. I added the deletion tag to the Instant KO redirect to hopefully get the ball rolling here. SuperFalconBros (talk) 14:42, 2 September 2018 (EDT)

After reading through numerous articles that use "instant KO" to refer to the instant death effect, and seeing that no articles actually use the Instant KO redirect to refer to OHKO, I'd like to more strongly suggest that the new article assume the "Instant KO" moniker and the old redirect be removed. Even the Nintendo Directs say "instantly KO" when talking about Danger Zones and Death's Scythe. SuperFalconBros (talk) 23:07, 2 September 2018 (EDT)

I think this makes sense as proposed. Sniffnoy (talk) 14:57, 3 September 2018 (EDT)

Although I support the creation of the article, I oppose placing it over the Instant KO page for the reasons discussed on that talk page. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 14:46, 4 September 2018 (EDT)