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 ::::There is a point when '''the game isn't released yet and it been made clear farther balance adjustments will happen'''. The information has no use to begin with, when no one is able to play the game yet outside of a few minutes at the occasional demo, and such information is '''misleading to readers''', when a lot of the "information" may not be reflected in the final game. There is no rush, just put down information about the core mechanics and wait until the game actually releases before trying to get all the frame data and such down. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:30, 1 July 2018 (EDT)
+:::::You keep saying the game isn't out yet, but why does that disqualify this data? It's still solid data if it's measured right. This data isn't going to mislead readers. They know this is speculation, but it's speculation by the developers, which definitely makes it worth noting on this wiki. In addition, I think you're overestimating how much of this data will be changed and how much of a problem that is.
+:::::Also, you can't assume that much of the data people enter is going to be false. Camcorders are faulty, but the solution is to look at multiple uses of the move to verify your data, or to use flawless vods downloaded from Twitch or other streaming services, like from the tournament at RAGE. Editors sometimes put in faulty data from bad or careless measurements, so some data entered is bad, but isn't that true of wikis in general? Other people that care can come in and fix it, or if no one cares then it'll stay bad forever, but since a lot of people care about Ultimate that probably won't happen in this case.
+:::::In addition, it's nice to know exactly how something has been changed. You can say Ivy's standing grab has less ending lag, but number will make that better. It went from a FAF of 50 to 43, so now it's less laggy than Lucas's annoying grab and it's not much worse than a normal grab. If you don't know those numbers, you don't really know much and it kind of sucks in comparison. I also want to tell people exactly how things have been changed, like how else will people know these things? It's lame to not tell people cool details.
+:::::Basically, I think it's not harmful to leave this data in, it's pointless to take it out, and a lot of people enjoy having it here. [[User:Fitzpeter|Fitzpeter]] ([[User talk:Fitzpeter|talk]]) 15:54, 1 July 2018 (EDT)
 :'''Support''' I don't even see how this is debatable: ''the game is not out yet''. We report on the technical stuff ''when the game comes out''. That is how it has been, and how it needs to be. An unreleased game is an unfinished game. ([[wikipedia:Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)|Even though a released game can]] [[wikipedia:Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric|sometimes be unfinished too...]]) [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the College-Bound Rurouni'''</span>]] 15:48, 29 June 2018 (EDT)
 :'''Support'''. I agree 100%. I thought it was very odd to see such technical details on an unreleased game for which most of the video we have are off-screen phone recordings. [[User:Anthony1996|Anthony1996]] ([[User talk:Anthony1996|talk]]) 02:02, 30 June 2018 (EDT)