Ganondorf (SSB4)

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As in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'', Hironori Miyata's portrayal of Ganondorf from ''{{s|zeldawiki|The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess}}'' was repurposed for ''Smash 4'', with mostly returning voice clips from ''Brawl'', and in addition to some new ones sourced from the game.

Ganondorf is ranked 52/53rd out of 54 on the [[tier list]], placing him in the G tier and tying him with {{SSB4|Zelda}}. This is a very slight improvement from his ranking in ''Brawl'', where he was the game's lowest-ranking character. As in previous games, Ganondorf remains as the game's archetypal super [[weight|heavyweight]], boasting high endurance, slow yet powerful moves that can KO foes very early, along with a capable [[edgeguard]]ing game courtesy of hard-hitting aerials. This is further enhanced by the buffs to his mobility, combo game and already high power, in addition to the general changes to game mechanics patching up several key weaknesses he had in ''Brawl''. Altogether, Ganondorf's high power allows him to deal ruthless punishes when the opportunity arises, in addition to being capable of ending stocks with very few hits.

Ganondorf is ranked 52th/53rd out of 54 on the [[tier list]], placing him in the G tier and tying him with {{SSB4|Zelda}}. This is a very slight improvement from his ranking in ''Brawl'', where he was the game's lowest-ranking character. As in previous games, Ganondorf remains as the game's archetypal super [[weight|heavyweight]], boasting high endurance, slow yet powerful moves that can KO foes very early, along with a capable [[edgeguard]]ing game courtesy of hard-hitting aerials. This is further enhanced by the buffs to his mobility, combo game and already high power, in addition to the general changes to game mechanics patching up several key weaknesses he had in ''Brawl''. Altogether, Ganondorf's high power allows him to deal ruthless punishes when the opportunity arises, in addition to being capable of ending stocks with very few hits.

However, Ganondorf still remains significantly disadvantaged by his slow mobility, very sluggish frame data when compared to the cast, and large target, making him exceptionally susceptible to rushdowns, combos and [[projectile]] [[camping]], in addition to giving him a linear [[approach]]. His grab game, outside of [[Flame Choke]], is also very lackluster, while his [[recovery]] is still easily exploitable due to being slow, linear and predictable. Finally, Ganondorf has a fair number of unrewarding moves that can neither combo or KO reliably, despite his overall power.

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Public consensus on Ganondorf in ''Smash 4'' has risen and fallen throughout the game's history despite his numerous direct buffs. Hopes were high when the game was released due to the very noticeable buffs and the very large benefit of the change of mechanics, with some players often drawing comparisons to his ''Melee'' self. Players such as {{Sm|Gungnir}} and {{Sm|Matt Hazard}} were already earning impressive results, such as the latter defeating {{Sm|Mew2King}} in a now-infamous ''3DS'' set. This excitement, however would gradually disappear following the Wii U release, as while many characters like {{SSB4|Sheik}} and {{SSB4|Diddy Kong}} benefited from the discovery of new tech and a better controller setup, Ganondorf did not benefit as much from the new mechanics as many would have thought. Even despite numerous buffs between game updates, the metagame continued to develop, leaving Ganondorf behind for the most part, which inevitably led to his 54th placing in the bottom tier of the first ''4BR'' [[tier list]].

Despite this, Ganondorf proved to be surprisingly popular in competitive play for a bottom-tier character, gaining a reputation as a "disrespectful" character thanks to his low-tier standing, extravagant punishes, and hefty damage output. As such, he has garnered noticeably better results compared to most other bottom-tiered characters (and even outplacing certain low-tiered ones such as {{SSB4|Dr. Mario}} and {{SSB4|Wii Fit Trainer}}), especially in Japan and Eastern Canada, both places of where there is a surprisingly large number of Ganondorf players. This resulted in Ganondorf holding the third-worst position on the second tier list, at 56th (due to the inclusion of {{SSB4|Corrin}} and {{SSB4|Bayonetta}}). Thanks to big advancements to his metagame, as well as still having good results for a poorly regarded character, Ganondorf was ranked 53rd on the third tier list, allowing him to rise out of the "bottom five" position; furthermore, with the abolishment of the "bottom" tier ranking, Ganondorf was then ranked as a low-tier character. However, while Ganondorf gained a notable result in [[Umebura Japan Major 2017]] with Gungnir placing 17th with solo Ganon (also upsetting {{Sm|Earth}} during the tournament), and he retains his placing at 52/53rd on the fourth and final tier list, this placing is now notable for not only having Ganondorf share the spot with {{SSB4|Zelda}}, but also dropping back to being the second worst character alongside her, after the exclusion of Miis from the most recent tier list.

Despite this, Ganondorf proved to be surprisingly popular in competitive play for a bottom-tier character, gaining a reputation as a "disrespectful" character thanks to his low-tier standing, extravagant punishes, and hefty damage output. As such, he has garnered noticeably better results compared to most other bottom-tiered characters (and even outplacing certain low-tiered ones such as {{SSB4|Dr. Mario}} and {{SSB4|Wii Fit Trainer}}), especially in Japan and Eastern Canada, both places of where there is a surprisingly large number of Ganondorf players. This resulted in Ganondorf holding the third-worst position on the second tier list, at 56th (due to the inclusion of {{SSB4|Corrin}} and {{SSB4|Bayonetta}}). Thanks to big advancements to his metagame, as well as still having good results for a poorly regarded character, Ganondorf was ranked 53rd on the third tier list, allowing him to rise out of the "bottom five" position; furthermore, with the abolishment of the "bottom" tier ranking, Ganondorf was then ranked as a low-tier character. However, while Ganondorf gained a notable result in [[Umebura Japan Major 2017]] with Gungnir placing 17th with solo Ganon (also upsetting {{Sm|Earth}} during the tournament), and he retains his placing at 52th/53rd on the fourth and final tier list, this placing is now notable for not only having Ganondorf share the spot with {{SSB4|Zelda}}, but also dropping back to being the second worst character alongside her, after the exclusion of Miis from the most recent tier list.

Altogether, Ganondorf has improved notably from his ''Brawl'' incarnation, where he was not only considered the worst character, but he was indisputably a bottom-tier character and his worst matchups were far more difficult to win than most bad matchups in the game. While Ganondorf was consistently ranked either among or barely outside of the bottom five characters on the Western and European scenes, the Japanese scene is more optimistic about the character, especially after Gungnir's high placing. As such, Ganondorf's true tier placing has remained in contention throughout the game's competitive lifespan, though he is still generally seen as non-viable in high-level play.

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 As in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'', Hironori Miyata's portrayal of Ganondorf from ''{{s|zeldawiki|The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess}}'' was repurposed for ''Smash 4'', with mostly returning voice clips from ''Brawl'', and in addition to some new ones sourced from the game.
-Ganondorf is ranked 52/53rd out of 54 on the [[tier list]], placing him in the G tier and tying him with {{SSB4|Zelda}}. This is a very slight improvement from his ranking in ''Brawl'', where he was the game's lowest-ranking character. As in previous games, Ganondorf remains as the game's archetypal super [[weight|heavyweight]], boasting high endurance, slow yet powerful moves that can KO foes very early, along with a capable [[edgeguard]]ing game courtesy of hard-hitting aerials. This is further enhanced by the buffs to his mobility, combo game and already high power, in addition to the general changes to game mechanics patching up several key weaknesses he had in ''Brawl''. Altogether, Ganondorf's high power allows him to deal ruthless punishes when the opportunity arises, in addition to being capable of ending stocks with very few hits.
+Ganondorf is ranked 52th/53rd out of 54 on the [[tier list]], placing him in the G tier and tying him with {{SSB4|Zelda}}. This is a very slight improvement from his ranking in ''Brawl'', where he was the game's lowest-ranking character. As in previous games, Ganondorf remains as the game's archetypal super [[weight|heavyweight]], boasting high endurance, slow yet powerful moves that can KO foes very early, along with a capable [[edgeguard]]ing game courtesy of hard-hitting aerials. This is further enhanced by the buffs to his mobility, combo game and already high power, in addition to the general changes to game mechanics patching up several key weaknesses he had in ''Brawl''. Altogether, Ganondorf's high power allows him to deal ruthless punishes when the opportunity arises, in addition to being capable of ending stocks with very few hits.
 However, Ganondorf still remains significantly disadvantaged by his slow mobility, very sluggish frame data when compared to the cast, and large target, making him exceptionally susceptible to rushdowns, combos and [[projectile]] [[camping]], in addition to giving him a linear [[approach]]. His grab game, outside of [[Flame Choke]], is also very lackluster, while his [[recovery]] is still easily exploitable due to being slow, linear and predictable. Finally, Ganondorf has a fair number of unrewarding moves that can neither combo or KO reliably, despite his overall power.
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 Public consensus on Ganondorf in ''Smash 4'' has risen and fallen throughout the game's history despite his numerous direct buffs. Hopes were high when the game was released due to the very noticeable buffs and the very large benefit of the change of mechanics, with some players often drawing comparisons to his ''Melee'' self. Players such as {{Sm|Gungnir}} and {{Sm|Matt Hazard}} were already earning impressive results, such as the latter defeating {{Sm|Mew2King}} in a now-infamous ''3DS'' set. This excitement, however would gradually disappear following the Wii U release, as while many characters like {{SSB4|Sheik}} and {{SSB4|Diddy Kong}} benefited from the discovery of new tech and a better controller setup, Ganondorf did not benefit as much from the new mechanics as many would have thought. Even despite numerous buffs between game updates, the metagame continued to develop, leaving Ganondorf behind for the most part, which inevitably led to his 54th placing in the bottom tier of the first ''4BR'' [[tier list]].
-Despite this, Ganondorf proved to be surprisingly popular in competitive play for a bottom-tier character, gaining a reputation as a "disrespectful" character thanks to his low-tier standing, extravagant punishes, and hefty damage output. As such, he has garnered noticeably better results compared to most other bottom-tiered characters (and even outplacing certain low-tiered ones such as {{SSB4|Dr. Mario}} and {{SSB4|Wii Fit Trainer}}), especially in Japan and Eastern Canada, both places of where there is a surprisingly large number of Ganondorf players. This resulted in Ganondorf holding the third-worst position on the second tier list, at 56th (due to the inclusion of {{SSB4|Corrin}} and {{SSB4|Bayonetta}}). Thanks to big advancements to his metagame, as well as still having good results for a poorly regarded character, Ganondorf was ranked 53rd on the third tier list, allowing him to rise out of the "bottom five" position; furthermore, with the abolishment of the "bottom" tier ranking, Ganondorf was then ranked as a low-tier character. However, while Ganondorf gained a notable result in [[Umebura Japan Major 2017]] with Gungnir placing 17th with solo Ganon (also upsetting {{Sm|Earth}} during the tournament), and he retains his placing at 52/53rd on the fourth and final tier list, this placing is now notable for not only having Ganondorf share the spot with {{SSB4|Zelda}}, but also dropping back to being the second worst character alongside her, after the exclusion of Miis from the most recent tier list.
+Despite this, Ganondorf proved to be surprisingly popular in competitive play for a bottom-tier character, gaining a reputation as a "disrespectful" character thanks to his low-tier standing, extravagant punishes, and hefty damage output. As such, he has garnered noticeably better results compared to most other bottom-tiered characters (and even outplacing certain low-tiered ones such as {{SSB4|Dr. Mario}} and {{SSB4|Wii Fit Trainer}}), especially in Japan and Eastern Canada, both places of where there is a surprisingly large number of Ganondorf players. This resulted in Ganondorf holding the third-worst position on the second tier list, at 56th (due to the inclusion of {{SSB4|Corrin}} and {{SSB4|Bayonetta}}). Thanks to big advancements to his metagame, as well as still having good results for a poorly regarded character, Ganondorf was ranked 53rd on the third tier list, allowing him to rise out of the "bottom five" position; furthermore, with the abolishment of the "bottom" tier ranking, Ganondorf was then ranked as a low-tier character. However, while Ganondorf gained a notable result in [[Umebura Japan Major 2017]] with Gungnir placing 17th with solo Ganon (also upsetting {{Sm|Earth}} during the tournament), and he retains his placing at 52th/53rd on the fourth and final tier list, this placing is now notable for not only having Ganondorf share the spot with {{SSB4|Zelda}}, but also dropping back to being the second worst character alongside her, after the exclusion of Miis from the most recent tier list.
 Altogether, Ganondorf has improved notably from his ''Brawl'' incarnation, where he was not only considered the worst character, but he was indisputably a bottom-tier character and his worst matchups were far more difficult to win than most bad matchups in the game. While Ganondorf was consistently ranked either among or barely outside of the bottom five characters on the Western and European scenes, the Japanese scene is more optimistic about the character, especially after Gungnir's high placing. As such, Ganondorf's true tier placing has remained in contention throughout the game's competitive lifespan, though he is still generally seen as non-viable in high-level play.