Talk:Unused content

Citation for final smash in SSB

This link is solid proof (it's towards the middle). Can I get rid of the mark now? Cheezperson {talk}stuff 06:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Yup, that's good proof. Go ahead and add the citation, then you can take off the tag. Silverdragon706/FyreNWater - (T • C ) 06:24, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Is this a beta element?

In the origional trailer for Brawl, In the background of the vid i could see kirby using hammer in brawl. But, however, it was the ariel hammer from melee, where he spins it vertically spins it, and not the one where he spins horizontally in the current brawl. Could i write this in the article?~Teh BlueThe blue blurBlur~]] 16:11, 24 November 2008 (UTC) (My signature needs fixing by the way.)

It is indeed; it's already on the site but not here. Go ahead and add it. Miles (talk) 16:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Yay thanks miles!~Teh BlueBlur~... ~Gimme the emeralds!~ 16:48, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Split

Yah - it'd be easier on the eyes.--MegaTron1XD 17:21, 13 November 2010 (EST)

Support - Unknown the Hedgehog 17:27, 13 November 2010 (EST)

Beta Melee opening

[1]

Note especially the gameplay clips in the middle, before Sheik's portion. (I found it here.) Miles (talk) 17:38, 4 December 2010 (EST)

Beta Dreamland 64

It is much more likely that stage was used for testing, rather than a beta version of Dreamland. It should be removed. 124.171.70.77 02:41, 12 December 2010 (EST)

Beta: anything removed before the release of a game and is found in the programming as well.--MegaTron1XD 09:49, 12 December 2010 (EST)

I have no idea how to add images...

...so could someone take a picture of roughly : 12-:14 of this video? It shows a beta menu that has "?"'s in some of the selections. Thanks. ReiDemon (talk) 22:52, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

I know how to put images in, so this is no longer needed.

Also, I plan on revamping the formatting in this article. Apologies if I clog up the Recent Changes because of this. ReiDemon 13:38, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

Some of these images...

..have watermarks. We need to fix this. Blindcolours ZoOm! 17:59, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

I can't seem to locate a beta Melee trailer without the E3.Nintendo.com watermark, though. : / Same for the Nintendo World trailer featuring Fox with a blaster.

Can we split this article up first, though? After my reorganisation, it's pretty unwieldy to read now. ReiDemon 18:32, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

I dunno. Blindcolours ZoOm! 18:36, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

Should I use the Admin noticeboard to request a split? Or is there somewhere else I should go? ReiDemon 21:14, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

Just create a new talk page section. Blindcolours ZoOm! 21:28, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

Request split of this article...

...into Beta Elements (SSB), Beta Elements (SSBM) and Beta Elements (SSBB). Beta Elements will act as a disambiguation page to the three respective articles.

((Am I doing this right?))

ReiDemon 21:48, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

If it were to be split, the resulting pages should have lower case titles, e.g. Beta elements (SSBB). Miles (talk) 21:57, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

Apologies; I'm used to titling articles in the conventional, newspaper style (all words capitalised, articles left alone, etc.), and this is the first time I've ever made this type of request. So they would then be:

• Beta elements (SSB)
• Beta elements (SSBM)
• Beta elements (SSBB)
• Beta elements

Correct?

ReiDemon 22:02, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

I don't think it should be split. The article isn't that big right now. We only split these kinds of articles when they get really really big (such as "List of previous tier lists", "List of Trophies", and "Character Matchups"). Mr. Anon (talk) 22:37, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

This page is only 24,000 KB big. Thus, we need not split it up. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 23:29, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

Alright, understandable. At what size should articles be split? ReiDemon 23:34, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

We don't exactly have any rules for that. Basically, if the article gets so large that it lags many user's computers, it's probably a good time to split it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. Anon (talk • contribs)

Use of beta

[2] These guys know what they're talking about so... BlindColours ...PUNCH!!! 20:57, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

Your point is not clear. Are you trying to say we're misusing the term "beta"? Toomai Glittershine The Labbie 21:03, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

It looks like we are, yes. BlindColours ...PUNCH!!! 21:08, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

You got a better name in mind? ReiDemon 21:09, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

Early? By the way, not every use of beta in this article is wrong, I'm not asking to change it entirely.BlindColours ...PUNCH!!! 21:11, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

How about "Prototype Elements" or something? ReiDemon 22:17, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

No, as that is misuse. A prototype is a physical early version of the game. So thats not gonna work. Early does. BlindColours ...PUNCH!!! 22:22, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

Would the term "unused" work? ReiDemon 19:57, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

Yes, but if it is unused, it was from earlier in development, hence "early". BlindColours ...PUNCH!!! 20:14, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

Maybe "pre-release", just so that it won't sound weird. Mr. Anontalk 20:21, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

There is no misuse here, beta elements is a common term for any material taken out before the final release. There is absolutely no need to the move the title. Omega Tyrant 21:01, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

No no no. I never wanted to move to the title. People will search for the title "Beta Elements", we can't change that. I merely changed misuses of beta in the article. BlindColours ...PUNCH!!! 21:18, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

I don't think beta isn't not a proper word to use in this article. ..... 1998, 1999-2011 2010-2011 21:25, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

Those weren't misuses of beta, "beta elements" is the common term for any thing shown to be in early versions of a video game, but not in the final version. Beta elements is not referring to things that were in the beta version. Omega Tyrant 21:27, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

I thought the term Beta is a earlier version of something and that it may change before it gets released. Is this definition correct? ..... 1998, 1999-2011 2010-2011 21:32, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

That's another way the term can be used, which is just as correct. Toomai Glittershine The SMASH-GINEER 21:45, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

For general use, that is basically correct. Though for specifics, the Beta is a specific prereleased version. Omega Tyrant 21:46, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

Boxes In Battlefield

I don't think Snake's box in Battlefield is a beta element, but I think it's a foreshadowing of his inclusion King KirbyD (talk) 01:13, 18 March 2012 (EDT)[[King KirbyD [[talk

Don't type your username and "talk" after your signature. It's redundant. Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 18:49, 18 March 2012 (EDT)

Rainbow Cruise

Is it relevant to say that the Rainbow Cruise ship resembles a pirate ship in the beta? Marioisawesome118 11:52, 24 March 2012 (EDT)

Twoson

I've found unused Twoson track on Youtube. Shall I add this here or just in the Rumors artcicle? Shanicpower Fear the RAWK! 15:10, 29 June 2012 (EDT)

Care to share/explain? Smoreking (talk) 17:18, 29 June 2012 (EDT)

Let me guess, it's this old disproved one? Miles (talk) 17:28, 29 June 2012 (EDT)

Beta SSBB Trophies...

Based on this, it seems there where to be beta trophies with various characters showing poses, and it still seems to be available in the game. Do you think we should add this section? I could do a couple of rips with C4D, and possibly upload images on this matter. -- Airconny 17:14, 14 April 2013 (EDT)

Go for it. If there's anything else lacking from our coverage that TCRF has better data on, feel free to go for that too. Miles (talk) 17:40, 14 April 2013 (EDT)

Okay, I'll get started on it very soon. Airconny 17:50, 14 April 2013 (EDT)

Split

I think we should rename this page Beta element, and split into List of beta elements (SSB), etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ac2k (talk • contribs) 11:23, 25 April 2013

Rename

To quote the comment I left here; "Beta isn't and has never been a catchall term, it refers to a specific point in game development before shipping. Prerelease, early, and unused are catchalls. Claiming beta is a catchall for content seen in prerelease screenshots/unused in the game's code is like claiming dubstep is a catchall for all genres of electronica." --Murabito (talk) 14:58, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

But it is a catchall term, and simple denial will not change that. If you have nothing better to do than bicker over something that you alone care about, perhaps you should consider refraining from editing for a while. If nothing else, I would have hoped the IP block you received would have been a clear warning for you to stop.--Anothrgamer1234 (talk) 15:21, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

lern2debate kthx. You seem to be the one in denial. Back to my point: Dubstep, despite being a genre of electronica, is not a catchall for all electronica genres. Beta is in the same ball park. It refers to a point of development, but it is not a catchall for altered or unused content from prerelease footage/unused game code, which could have been removed far earlier in development. It seems to be futile convincing you since you won't listen and in general you're turning a blind eye to things that are blatantly obvious. --Murabito (talk) 15:30, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

Beta can refer to a specific phase of development, but it is also very generally used as a synonym for "prerelease". The page title isn't inaccurate. Miles (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

You're sticking your fingers in your ears again. The title is inaccurate. Beta only refers to one phase of development, you all know which one or probably don't because you're all not listening to reason. The erroneous use of beta as a synonym to refer to prerelease or unused content is likely an error which became mainspread not unlike a disease after some guy mislabeled some early/unused content. Two wrongs don't make a right. --Murabito (talk) 12:45, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

The unfortunate reality is, incorrect language becomes correct through usage. Your argument is nothing but "it's technically incorrect", which is typically a weak argument by our standards. I agree that it's lame to use the term "beta" as a catch-all, but if the majority wants to keep doing it, we can't really stop them. Toomai Glittershine The Ghostbuster 12:50, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

No it does not, the incorrect language is still incorrect. It only becomes "correct" because we have to cater to morons who don't do their research. It took 5 minutes to find the correct meaning of beta. But if this wikia wants to cater to illiterate shitheads, that's fine by me. We don't have to be the majority, we're allowed to refer to prerelease content by its correct title (unsuprisingly, prerelease), beta can be a redirect instead. --Murabito (talk) 12:59, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

If you can't participate in a discussion without being rude, people aren't going to listen to you, and you may attract a block if you keep it up. Toomai Glittershine The Interspacial 13:05, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

I'm indifferent towards this debate, but just so you know, this wiki isn't a part of Wikia. Scr7(talk · contribs) 13:07, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

I have to be aggresive because it's clear you aren't listening. --Murabito (talk) 13:13, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

Okay... I seriously understand what you're saying, and it does slightly frustrate me as well. But, as has been said, Language, in in itself, what it's speakers make of it. What the page title needs to be is something they will find and understand - practically every other site uses this term, which therefore makes it a form of slang. And, sadly, yes, we have to cater to people who don't do their research, because this is a wiki. Which means this is where they're doing research. Yes, we do have to cater to the majority. ScoreCounter 13:23, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

Renaming the "beta element" articles to "development history of..." articles and making "beta elements" a redirect is not going to make it harder for a bunch of people who want to find out what the character select menu of Melee looked like earlier in development.Murabito (talk) 13:26, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

Hold up. Aggressiveness will get you nowhere here; it will only make things worse. When someone disagrees with you, it's not because they're not listening. Please consider what they have to say; if you feel they are wrong, state a valid reason instead of restating your view baselessly. If you cannot discuss this in a civil manner, you may need to take a break for a little while. Berrenta (talk) 14:27, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

As far as I can tell, the argument for renaming is that Murabito (and nobody else) considers the name to be incorrect and that the wiki as a whole is "stupid" to leave it as is, in spite of the fact that renaming it would have no effect on the actual content and was never offensive or even incorrect in the first place. If anything, it seems to me that the problem lies less with the article name and more with the user who feels like his personal preference override the consensus of the entire wiki. Such behavior is not conducive to productive editing, and as such I request that the issue be dropped at once. --Anothrgamer1234 (talk) 15:55, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

Anothrgamr r u n denial? Murabito (talk) 17:22, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

No, he's right. Only you want the name to be changed, and even if we did, it wouldn't change the content of the page whatsoever. There's no reason for a name change. Rtzxy Smashing! 17:33, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

Actually there is. The reason why noone is agreeing with me is because the admins don't agree so therefore you must all agree with them. Also because you've all been brainwashed into thinking beta is the correct term when it isn't. If you would just use the correct words for once in your lives this would have been resolved earlier.User:Murabito 18:07, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

That's not why. We don't agree with admins because they're admins. We agree with them because we agree with them. Besides, we don't have to use the correct term for names of moves or articles. Also, your signature violates our signature policy - fix it, please. Rtzxy Smashing! 18:13, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

If everyone is just following the admins and agreeing with them on everything, then why does the admin policy have a section that explains why admins are not kings? Point is, almost everyone here agrees that there is no point in making such a big deal over a minor thing. Scr7(talk · contribs) 18:16, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

Move

I Support the move per the tag. Disaster Flare (talk) 19:03, 22 December 2015 (EST)

Strongest support possible WAY inaccurate. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by SANTY CLAWS! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 19:03, 22 December 2015 (EST)

Support: Side note: the Beta elements (SSBX) pages should be moved as well. Serpent King 19:06, 22 December 2015 (EST)

Agreed. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by SANTY CLAWS! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 19:06, 22 December 2015 (EST)

Oh and perhaps Category:Beta elements should go too. Serpent King 19:08, 22 December 2015 (EST)

Support per tag. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 19:10, 22 December 2015 (EST)

Strong support. Kind of obscure title for something that a highly regarded source such as TCRF just calls "unused content". I suppose a redirect should be left for those that try to search with obvious terms. F0rZ3r0F0r (talk) 21:44, 22 December 2015 (EST)

Strong support per tag. Great idea, it can encapsulate both planned and beta elements. Smashedpotatoes (Talk) 01:06, 23 December 2015 (EST)