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NOTE: We understand that tiers are a point of contention among members of the Smash community. However, this page discusses the tier lists that the Smash Back Room have posted. These are accepted by almost every high level player, and as such are important and notable content to this wiki. Discussion on this talk page should be limited to the content of the page, not to debate on the ordering of tiers, we report the tier lists, we don't decide them. If you want to discuss the tier lists, go to these Forums; (Forum for Brawl, forum for Melee). If you want to argue tier placements, take it to Smashboards, not here. Additionally, do not use this page to argue about the existence of tiers. If you firmly believe tiers do not exist and are intent on changing the Wiki's stance about it, go see the argument we have on it on this page here, and thoroughly refute the treatise on its talk page, do not argue it here.

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NEW MELEE TIERS LIST

This tiers list was made over the course of 12 days with the help of redditors /u/scrubjr /u/scrubers /u/ReinDance /u/A_Waskawy_Wabit /u/Pokepen /u/Thebestaround555 /u/goatlink /u/my-name-is- /u/seanbeanskiller /u/spectremagic /u/upvotegod98 /u/vexoskeleton Here it is. Text version: Fox, Falco, Marth, Sheik | Puff, Captain Falcon, Peach | Ice Climbers, Samus, Pikachu, Luigi, Dr. Mario, Yoshi | Ganondorf, Mario, Young Link, Link, Donkey Kong | Mr. Game & Watch, Roy, Ness, Pichu, Mewtwo, Zelda, Kirby, Bowser.

Master Hand

I was going to make an edit talking about how Master Hand was once on the Melee tier list, should the article have this? OmegaSpacePirate (talk) 06:54, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

If you're talking about the "Gengar" tier, that's mentioned here. Zyrac (talk) 07:36, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

SSB4 tier list

The tier for ssb4 was made on smashboards. http://smashboards.com/threads/swf-community-voted-tier-list-version-1-0-finished-time-for-a-break.379736/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wintermelon43 (talk • contribs) 16:23, March 26, 2015‎

We've already discussed this. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 16:25, 26 March 2015 (EDT)

SSB4 japanese tier list released

http://smashboards.com/threads/new-japanese-tier-list-by-shi-g.394772/ 24.201.157.175 02:06, 7 April 2015 (EDT)

Exactly! So what's wrong with it?Nintenzilla (talk) 13:09, 5 May 2015 (EDT)

Back Room tier lists only 73MPL4R Only the dead have seen the end of war 13:59, 5 May 2015 (EDT)

I think the Smash Back Room tier lists are the official worldwide tier lists. Plus I still think it's pretty hard to come up with a Smash 4 tier list with the DLC characters and the patches shaking the standings up. Dots (talk) The Skyfall 14:10, 5 May 2015 (EDT)

That should probably go on Japanese tier list. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 14:27, 5 May 2015 (EDT)

So far as I can tell, the only reason we even list that Japanese Brawl tiers is because they use a different stage list with major effects on character viability. Miles (talk) 14:30, 5 May 2015 (EDT)

That holds true in Smash 4, too. They generally have the same stagelist as Brawl, as a matter of fact. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 14:32, 5 May 2015 (EDT)

I don't know if bumps are acceptable here, but we need a consensus. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 21:02, 6 May 2015 (EDT)

I say reject until SBR releases theirs. Serpent King (talk) 21:55, 6 May 2015 (EDT)

I reject too. Not only is this not made by SBR, but it's also outdated. Diddy Kong should be nowhere near the top now because of his recent nerfs and there's the absence of Mewtwo. Bulbaboy (talk) 23:07, 6 May 2015 (EDT)

Mii brawler seems to be missing too. Serpent King (talk) 01:13, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

D (High) Laikue (talk | contribs) 01:56, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

(reset indent) Well would you look at that. Serpent King (talk) 02:45, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

At this rate, I don't even know if the SBR can even release a tier list, what with all the updates with balances, DLC, etc.. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 06:51, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

I think it may be too hard for them, these patches and DLC are coming rapidly, so it's to hard to judge a tier list, in other words, the metagame's become confusing. Nintenzilla (talk) 09:07, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

With Mewtwo having just been released, Lucas on the way, the Roy and Ryu thing still being up in the air, and the recent balance patch, it's going to be a while before we get one, if at all 73MPL4R Only the dead have seen the end of war 09:13, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

Not to mention the two other DLC characters that may be coming. In fact, it could be years perhaps, depending on how they release of course. Nintenzilla (talk) 09:14, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

That does not mean that we should adopt a list from whoever thinks to make one. Still Reject Serpent King (talk) 09:45, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

On an irrelevant note, I bet that if it wasn't for the DLCs and patches, I bet we could of gotten an SBR Smash 4 tier list last month ago with either Diddy Kong or Rosalina toping the tier list. Dots (talk) The Sandvich 10:02, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

Worth a shot, but maybe I can step up and make a tier list for us to temporarily use until SBR makes one? My brother, me, and a few friends of mine all play Smash competitively, and even run our own tournaments, so we have a good concept of what we're seeing in the characters, so if you guys like the idea, I can talk to Miles if he doesn't reply here and see what he thinks. Bulbaboy (talk) 12:07, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

This page only uses SBR tier lists based on the US metagame. That's not really something I think should be changed. Miles (talk) 12:17, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

That's what I figured. Worth a shot though. Bulbaboy (talk) 12:28, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

New 64 tier list, 1111111111111111

It'll be posted by shortly by myself/Pidge --PPS KoRo, King of Smash 64 Knowledge, and bad grammar....and bad puns (talk) 20:19, 12 May 2015 (EDT)

Wherever you got it from, it's not official. SBR purposely stopped making tier lists for SSB64 because 1: The metagame has been pretty much fully developed, and 2: SSB64 is one of the least popular Smash games competitively. Bulbaboy (talk) 22:00, 12 May 2015 (EDT)

Um. He's a member of the Smash backroom. He helped create the tier list. Take a look at this: http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/35rxny/a_4_year_update_come_reality_a_new_community_tier/ You'll notice that there are some significant changes. Specifically, Samus jumping four spaces, Mario dropping two, Falcon and Fox swapping, and Jigglypuff rising two. Laikue (talk | contribs) 22:22, 12 May 2015 (EDT)

Oh, I was not aware of that. My apologies. Bulbaboy (talk) 00:54, 13 May 2015 (EDT)

Lol hello. Yeah, I'm a member. In all honesty, the reason why the SBR for 64 ended was simply since people well trolled there and didn't do much (outside of setup a proper rule thread as well as an online ladder.) That is why it was turned into a general discussion thread by me/pidge, as per the ruleset thread as well. In terms of the other things: 1. I wouldn't call this game fully developed, as you can see from recent matches, the changed ruleset, and the soon to be highly changed matchup chart. 2. I wouldn't exactly call it unpopular. It's in fact quite popular, being the most popular smash game in Chile, Peru, and Japan(after Smash 4 with 150+ person tournaments yearly and 50-60 person events monthly.) The biggest 64 events outside of Japan have all happened within the last 2 years. I know it's an old game, but look up more before you post that stuff, plz. --PPS KoRo, King of Smash 64 Knowledge, and bad grammar....and bad puns (talk) 15:32, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

I see, thanks for the info. Apologies once again for my ignorance. Bulbaboy (talk) 23:47, 20 May 2015 (EDT)