Super Smash Bros. series

Hitstun: Difference between revisions

From SmashWiki, the Super Smash Bros. wiki
Jump to navigationJump to search
(→‎In Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Integrating this better, also fixing grammar)
Line 13: Line 13:


==In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''==
==In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''==
''[[Brawl]]'' has the same hitstun multiplier ''Melee'' has. However, when hit, characters can now [[air dodge]] after 13 frames and use an [[aerial attack]] after 25 frames out of hitstun, regardless of the actual amount of hitstun they sustained. This new mechanic drastically reduces the amount of actual hitstun characters have to sustain upon being hit, especially at higher knockback (for example, while a character sustaining 100 units of knockback in ''Melee'' will be in hitstun for 40 frames, that character will be in actual hitstun for only 13 frames in ''Brawl'' if they air dodge or 25 frames if they attack. If that knockback value is doubled, the ''Melee'' character would sustain an inescapable 80 frames of hitstun, while the ''Brawl'' character will still only sustain 13 or 25 frames of hitstun). This drastically reduces the amount of true combos, and makes the only attacks that can truly combo being those that deal very low knockback while having low enough ending/landing lag to followup within 13 frames before the opponent can air dodge (such as [[chain throw]]s, {{mvsub|Meta Knight|SSBB|up aerial|poss=y}}, and {{mvsub|Sheik|SSBB|forward tilt|poss=y}}). Any other attack that deals a slight bit more knockback or has a slight amount of more ending lag will require the player to successfully read the opponent's action to successfully followup. This new mechanic also allows launched characters to act before their knockback wears off, which allows characters to perform certain actions during knockback to [[momentum canceling|reduce their aerial momentum]], allowing them to survive blows that would have otherwise KO'd. The mechanic also indirectly nerfs {{SSBB|Ganondorf}}'s [[Dark Dive]], which has extremely weak knockback and the new hitstun mechanic allows many fast opponents to immediately hit him once the move completes.
''[[Brawl]]'' has the same hitstun multiplier ''Melee'' has. However, when hit, characters can now [[air dodge]] after 13 frames and use an [[aerial attack]] after 25 frames out of hitstun, regardless of the actual amount of hitstun they sustained. This new mechanic drastically reduces the amount of actual hitstun characters have to sustain upon being hit, especially at higher knockback (for example, while a character sustaining 100 units of knockback in ''Melee'' will be in hitstun for 40 frames, that character will be in actual hitstun for only 13 frames in ''Brawl'' if they air dodge or 25 frames if they attack. If that knockback value is doubled, the ''Melee'' character would sustain an inescapable 80 frames of hitstun, while the ''Brawl'' character will still only sustain 13 or 25 frames of hitstun).
 
This change drastically reduces the amount of true combos, and means the only attacks that can truly combo are those that deal very low knockback while having low enough ending/landing lag to followup within 13 frames before the opponent can air dodge (such as [[chain throw]]s, {{mvsub|Meta Knight|SSBB|up aerial|poss=y}}, and {{mvsub|Sheik|SSBB|forward tilt|poss=y}}). Any attack that deals even slightly more knockback or has slightly more ending lag will require the player to successfully read the opponent's action to successfully followup. This new mechanic also allows launched characters to act before their knockback wears off, which allows characters to perform certain actions during knockback to [[momentum canceling|reduce their aerial momentum]], allowing them to survive blows that would have otherwise KO'd.


The much slower falling speeds, loss of [[L-cancelling]] with most aerials not having their [[Lag#Landing lag|landing lag]] compensated, and generally slower movement also reduces the amount of possible combos, though the effect of these is miniscule compared to the ability to act so early out of hitstun.
The much slower falling speeds, loss of [[L-cancelling]] with most aerials not having their [[Lag#Landing lag|landing lag]] compensated, and generally slower movement also reduces the amount of possible combos, though the effect of these is miniscule compared to the ability to act so early out of hitstun.


This new mechanic is one of the most controversial additions to ''Brawl'', with detractors criticising it for making true combos rare and making it impossible to truly combo with moves that deal anything beyond very low knockback. This eliminates the comboing ability of characters that relied on higher knockback moves with faster mobility to combo ({{SSBB|Captain Falcon}} being the most prominent example, with {{SSBB|Jigglypuff}} also suffering severely), allows characters to survive longer than intended through [[momentum cancelling]] and significantly increases the chance of getting [[punish]]ed for landing a hit. While some players argue in support of the mechanic, such as by arguing that players should have to successfully read their opponent's actions to get successful followups and that opponents should have means of escaping combos, the majority of competitive players, even those who prefer ''Brawl'' over ''Melee'', see the mechanic as a negative addition to the game. As such, those who [[mod]] the game usually remove the mechanic unless they intend to keep the vBrawl engine intact (as in [[Balanced Brawl]]), and all major mods, except the aforementioned Balanced Brawl, have removed the mechanic completely.
This new mechanic is one of the most controversial additions to ''Brawl'', with detractors criticising it for making true combos rare and making it impossible to truly combo with moves that deal anything beyond very low knockback. This eliminates the comboing ability of characters that relied on higher knockback moves with faster mobility to combo ({{SSBB|Captain Falcon}} being the most prominent example, with {{SSBB|Jigglypuff}} also suffering severely), allows characters to survive longer than intended through [[momentum cancelling]] and significantly increases the chance of getting [[punish]]ed for landing a hit ({{SSBB|Ganondorf}}'s [[Dark Dive]] is a notable example of this, as its extremely weak knockback means that many characters can hit Ganondorf with a quick attack as soon as the move completes).  
 
While some players argue in support of the mechanic, such as by arguing that players should have to successfully read their opponent's actions to get successful followups and that opponents should have means of escaping combos, the majority of competitive players, even those who prefer ''Brawl'' over ''Melee'', see the mechanic as a negative addition to the game. As such, those who [[mod]] the game usually remove the mechanic unless they intend to keep the vBrawl engine intact (as in [[Balanced Brawl]]), and all major mods, except the aforementioned Balanced Brawl, have removed the mechanic completely.


==In ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''==
==In ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''==

Revision as of 03:50, June 26, 2015

Not to be confused with freeze frames, which are known by many as "hitlag".

Hitstun is a period of time after being hit by an attack that a character is unable to act outside of directional influence or teching. It is directly dependent on knockback, so an attack like Falcon Punch will have more hitstun than Thunder Jolt. When a hit deals insufficient knockback to lift the opponent off the ground, hitstun is equal to the length of the flinch animation, while at higher knockbacks it is a straight multiplier of the knockback received. Each Smash game has a programmed value that is multiplied by the amount of knockback received to determine the amount of frames a character is locked in hitstun after being hit (for example, Melee has a hitstun multiplier of 0.4 frames per unit of knockback, so a hit that deals 100 units of knockback will leave the target in hitstun for 40 frames).

Hitstun is an essential component of combos, as the basis of a combo is to have enemies trapped in hitstun while constantly being attacked. As a result, games that have more hitstun for equivalent knockback open up more potential combos.

In Super Smash Bros.

The amount of hitstun in the original SSB is much higher than in the subsequent Super Smash Bros. games, being a x0.533 multiplier. The multiplier is so high that long, highly damaging combos are commonplace, with competitive matches being heavily centralised around them. Zero-death combos are not uncommon in SSB, as every character in the game except Samus is capable of pulling a zero-death using their normal moves. The commonness of zero-deaths in this game is one of the primary reasons why competitive matches are played with 5 stock, more than Melee, despite the game not being as fast-paced as Melee.

In Super Smash Bros. Melee

The amount of hitstun in Melee is a significantly lower x0.4 multiplier, making Melee a less combo-oriented game, and zero-death combos a rarity. However, with the increased falling speeds, and generally faster and more varied movement, combos remain frequent, though generally more difficult to pull off consistently.

In Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Brawl has the same hitstun multiplier Melee has. However, when hit, characters can now air dodge after 13 frames and use an aerial attack after 25 frames out of hitstun, regardless of the actual amount of hitstun they sustained. This new mechanic drastically reduces the amount of actual hitstun characters have to sustain upon being hit, especially at higher knockback (for example, while a character sustaining 100 units of knockback in Melee will be in hitstun for 40 frames, that character will be in actual hitstun for only 13 frames in Brawl if they air dodge or 25 frames if they attack. If that knockback value is doubled, the Melee character would sustain an inescapable 80 frames of hitstun, while the Brawl character will still only sustain 13 or 25 frames of hitstun).

This change drastically reduces the amount of true combos, and means the only attacks that can truly combo are those that deal very low knockback while having low enough ending/landing lag to followup within 13 frames before the opponent can air dodge (such as chain throws, Meta Knight's up aerial, and Sheik's forward tilt). Any attack that deals even slightly more knockback or has slightly more ending lag will require the player to successfully read the opponent's action to successfully followup. This new mechanic also allows launched characters to act before their knockback wears off, which allows characters to perform certain actions during knockback to reduce their aerial momentum, allowing them to survive blows that would have otherwise KO'd.

The much slower falling speeds, loss of L-cancelling with most aerials not having their landing lag compensated, and generally slower movement also reduces the amount of possible combos, though the effect of these is miniscule compared to the ability to act so early out of hitstun.

This new mechanic is one of the most controversial additions to Brawl, with detractors criticising it for making true combos rare and making it impossible to truly combo with moves that deal anything beyond very low knockback. This eliminates the comboing ability of characters that relied on higher knockback moves with faster mobility to combo (Captain Falcon being the most prominent example, with Jigglypuff also suffering severely), allows characters to survive longer than intended through momentum cancelling and significantly increases the chance of getting punished for landing a hit (Ganondorf's Dark Dive is a notable example of this, as its extremely weak knockback means that many characters can hit Ganondorf with a quick attack as soon as the move completes).

While some players argue in support of the mechanic, such as by arguing that players should have to successfully read their opponent's actions to get successful followups and that opponents should have means of escaping combos, the majority of competitive players, even those who prefer Brawl over Melee, see the mechanic as a negative addition to the game. As such, those who mod the game usually remove the mechanic unless they intend to keep the vBrawl engine intact (as in Balanced Brawl), and all major mods, except the aforementioned Balanced Brawl, have removed the mechanic completely.

In Super Smash Bros. 4

Data.png This article or section may require additional technical data.
You can discuss this issue on the talk page or edit this page to improve it.

In Super Smash Bros. 4, the ability to act out of hitstun has been removed when being sent further distances, making true combos possible again. Because of this change, characters such as Jigglypuff and Captain Falcon are indirectly buffed, as their comboing abilities from previous games have been restored. However, with the ability to air dodge out of a tumble and many attacks having higher base knockback, true combos are still harder to perform than in Melee.