Talk:Alternate costume (SSB4)/Archive 1

Orange Pit?

I see a mention of an orange palette for Pit. I'm just wondering when and where this was shown? It wasn't at E3 and I don't remember seeing it in a POTD.--Raph the Great (talk) 02:38, 29 June 2014 (EDT)

Pink Dedede?

The Picture I am talking about.

I don't know if anyone else sees it, but in one of Dedede's pictures featured on the website, I think his hat is pink, like his palette swap in Brawl. Can anyone back me up on this one? BrittF (talk) 18:32, 5 July 2014

You don't need a gallery for one image. Also, there's an entire discussion about the costume thing on the talk page of the image. You should go check that out for an answer to your question filled with evidence. MegaTron1XD 18:35, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

TOC

Is a bit large and will get larger when Smash 4 comes out. I want to align it to the right, so it doesn't take up all that vertical space. Is that okay or is it fine already?Qwerty the lord 23:31, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

The length of the TOC isn't a problem. Aligning it horizontally (why you'd say right is beyond me) makes it harder to find the character that a person would be looking for. If the length of it really bothers you as a user, you could just hide the TOC or something. MegaTron1XD 00:26, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

I mean to align it right and below the Bowser section, like this. Qwerty the lord 00:41, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

You're just sandwiching the text now. Again, the TOC is fine as is. If it's a problem to you, just hide it. MegaTron1XD 00:43, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

Fox?

I've noticed that on Fox's list of palettes, there appears to be two very similar palettes (Navy and Black) that seem to be two pictures taken of the same palette at different camera lightings. Considering that the demo build of the game featured only 4 palettes per character, it is highly unlikely that one palette was swapped out with an eerily similar one in a later showcase of the demo. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that the two separate palette listings is an error. (72.87.198.105 01:46, 16 August 2014 (EDT))

Shulk costumes

Someone should add Shulk's costumes. I uploaded pictures, but not sure which color Shulk's swimsuit costume should be. Can someone else put that in? Kenniky (talk) 10:46, 29 August 2014 (EDT)

Grey Falcon

I think it's pretty obviously a costume. How could lighting, which isn't affecting Shulk, change him that much? ...a new Nuttais approaching... 13:08, 30 August 2014 (EDT)

That green dress

I rewrote the Villager section so it reads a bit better, but (like the editor before me, apparently) I cannot for the life of me find the name of the light green dress worn by one of the new female variants. It looks like New Leaf's lime dress, but it seems like it isn't quite the same thing. This is really bugging me now, so if anyone can figure it out, I would appreciate it. --139.133.183.180 10:36, 3 September 2014 (EDT)

Metaknight?

I don't see him on the page. :/

Palette Swap Leaks

Now that the Fierce Diety Link and Alph costume from that rumor were true, can we upload all of those leaked color swaps? If there is a Bowser Jr. page here already I guess we can.Smasher-Billy (talk) 05:15, 7 September 2014 (EDT)

Let me rephrase (and add to) the above.

We now have a Fierce Deity Link costume, an Alph costume, Diddy Kong's Dixie costume, Fox with Wolf colors, multiple Yoshi colors, and a purple/Dark Pit costume. The only proof I have of those are pictures on my iPod, but I might be able to find a way to get them on here (if necessary). Aidan the Intermediate Gamer (talk) 09:57, 7 September 2014 (EDT)

As discussed here, while I personally don't have much doubt about Zipzo's legitimacy, we should hold off on adding these and proceed with the SW:NEWGAME setup. Miles (talk) 10:03, 7 September 2014 (EDT)

If I remember right, the pics that I have on my iPod (the ones confirming these palette swaps) are from the most recent Japanese demo. Aidan the Intermediate Gamer (talk) 10:06, 7 September 2014 (EDT)

Yes, and they're being provided to Smashboards/Reddit by a user named Zipzo who apparently lives in Tokyo. I'm aware of the situation. Miles (talk) 10:07, 7 September 2014 (EDT)

Oooohhhh, ok. I wasn't quite sure what you meant. Aidan the Intermediate Gamer (talk) 10:08, 7 September 2014 (EDT)

Are magazine scans allowed? Lucina's palette swaps have been revealed: [1] Blue Ninjakoopa 15:48, 10 September 2014 (EDT)

All that set of images is legit (Ixbran posted this link here). I say crop 'em and pit 'em up. Toomai Glittershine The Keymaster 15:50, 10 September 2014 (EDT)

Not trying to call those fake or anything, but where's Kirby's black color scheme? The Bomb Boo one? ...a new Nuttais approaching... 16:01, 10 September 2014 (EDT)

From what I can see, it looks like it's there [2]. Scr7(talk · contribs) 16:02, 10 September 2014 (EDT)

The closest is dark blue, which, while having yellow eyes, looks completely different. ...a new Nuttais approaching... 16:08, 10 September 2014 (EDT)

Actually, I'm starting to believe the black and dark blue costumes are the same costume. Both have yellow eyes, purple feet, and, if you look closely at the screenshot featuring the black costume, the costume isn't actually black, but rather dark blue (albeit very shaded). Rtzxy Smashing! 16:11, 10 September 2014 (EDT)

It has a vague blue tint, but that's true with all blacks on the Wii U (well, not all, but several). That one is very clearly blue. ...a new Nuttais approaching... 16:16, 10 September 2014 (EDT)

Shulk's palette swap references

Can't add this with the restriction on edits, but Shulk's palette swaps strongly resemble the default armor colors of the other party members in Xenoblade Chronicles. In order from the Famitsu scan: Shulk, Fiora, Dunban, Reyn, Sharla, Melia, Riki, and the swimsuit. Also, some of the sections in this article are out of order of the scans showing all the palettes. It would probably be easier to read if the order of colors matched the full images. James4115 (talk) 21:18, 10 September 2014 (EDT)

Meta Knight's Palette Swaps

It should be pointed out that the "Dark Pink" and "Grey" Palette Swaps of Meta Knight are meant to resemble Galacta Knight and Dark Meta Knight, respectively.

~Bringing the Chortles to Smash 4! - Fawful117~ (talk) 07:05, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

Mega's colors

All of Mega Man's colors appear to be based on attacks he uses in the game. Along we his default color scheme it is, in order: Rush Coil, Leaf Shield, Metal Blade, Air Shooter, Slash Claw, Flame Sword, and Top Spin. While Top Spin appears pink in the NES game, official artwork and the Genesis remake show that it as being yellow, and given that the Green-and-White palate has yellow elbows that match the Leaf Shield art, it would seem that the art was used as reference. It could be noted that there are other weapons in the series that share the same or similar colors, but for the most part, they seem to be primarily based on the above listed weapons. ColorARobot (talk) 14:57, 11 September 2014 (EDT) On second look, it would appear that the Red-and-Yellow color scheme is based on the Flame Blast given the green highlights. Another case of it resembling the artwork more than the game itself. ColorARobot (talk) 15:48, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

Unless I'm mistaken, all of that is mentioned on the page. Aidan the Intermediate Gamer (talk) 18:16, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

No, because on the page it lists the Blue-and-White palatte as being based on the Gemini Laser, the Red-and-Yellow one being Atomic Fire, and the Black-and-Yellow as being Thunder Beam, and not the ones I listed (Air Shooter, Flame Blast, Top Spin). ColorARobot (talk) 18:36, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

After reading back me message I think I might have been a bit unclear. I was saying that his colors seem to be based, specifically, on weapons used as part of his SSB4 moveset, and not on other weapons from the Mega Man series that he does not use in SSB4. ColorARobot (talk) 18:55, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

All Hidden Character Palettes

This youtube video showcases every alt palette in the game, could be used to develop this page. Youtube Video —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.128.71.52 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 12 September 2014 (EDT)

Am I allowed to post pictures of the hidden characters' palette swaps here? I just want to make sure that I won't get punished for doing so if I'm not allowed to.--Raph the Great (talk) 18:19, 12 September 2014 (EDT)

Anyone can upload anything, (less porn and shit) so, yeah, you can. Laikue (talk|contribs) 18:51, 12 September 2014 (EDT)

Duck Hunt

Duck Hunt has a palette which makes the dog dark brown/black and the duck blue[3] and supposedly another one which makes the dog dark brown and the duck red, reminiscent of Banjo and Kazooie[4]. Could anyone at least add the first one to the page? --Murabito (talk) 10:37, 13 September 2014 (EDT)

All Palette Swaps

So...I found this. Can someone use this to put more information on Dark Pit, Dr. Mario, Duck Hunt, Wario, Ness, Jigglypuff, R.O.B., and Mr. Game & Watch? Aidan the Intermediate Gamer (talk) 13:03, 13 September 2014 (EDT)

Ness's Light Blue Shirt

Currently, Ness's light blue shirt has no description. The character featured on it is Master Belch, if that helps. LordOfSwaws (talk) 21:43, 13 September 2014 (EDT)

All alts as they appear on the menu

Found this gallery; should these be used to show the alts for the characters that were revealed after the Famitsu scans were made? Scr7(talk · contribs) 11:58, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

It's not bad per se, but the menu images aren't necessarily the best to use. With some characters (e.g. Ganondorf), it's hard to tell what it really looks like in gameplay. They'd be appropriate placeholders, but we should use either the wider menu shots from the Wii U version and/or gameplay images in the long run. Miles (talk) 12:00, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

It's what we do for the other palette swap pages, why not for this one? Toomai Glittershine The Different 13:05, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

Only for Melee and Brawl, where the menu shows a much larger portrait of the character. The limited 3DS screen space shows, and makes it harder to get a full view. Miles (talk) 13:12, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

We'll just replace the 3DS menu screen images with Wii U ones once we can, no big deal. Toomai Glittershine The Loony 16:13, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

I say use it. ...a new Nuttais approaching... 22:04, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

A bunch of larger portraits are here in separate images. anyone want to composite them http://imgur.com/a/YxrUP - http://imgur.com/a/5RZpX - http://imgur.com/a/mKMY4 Allsalts (talk) 01:19, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

I'm in the process of taking those and stitching them together, I'l upload them all once I'm done. Toomai Glittershine El Pollo 10:09, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

I'm currently in the process of adding them. It'll probably take me awhile, so if anyone has a good reason not to, please speak now. Also please refrain from editing it for the next few minutes so I don't have to redo it ...a new Nuttais approaching... 13:40, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

Beta Alts?

In the screenshot currently used for Bowser's yellow color scheme, he has a golden shell, not the purple one shown at E3. Additionally, as i've mentioned before, Kirby's costume is now dark blue even though several older pictures clearly show it as black (this one is more arguable, but still). Is it possible that either the magazine scan or the E3 demo use a beta alt? ...a new Nuttais approaching... 22:04, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

The image currently used for Kirby's costumes also seems black to me. I'm gonna compare the colors to see if it's the same, but I think that the magazine might have beta colors. ...a new Nuttais approaching... 16:01, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

R.O.B.'s alt and StarTropics

Given that is blue alt is much more purple this time around, can we go ahead and list it as based on Nav-Com from StarTropics? [5] I think it's a lot less questionable than in Brawl. 71.226.144.42 15:21, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

Donkey / Diddy / Fox

There were a few edits made on the SSBB Palette swap page to make it more accurate. Can we change them here to relfect it? Namely which ones of the Kongs alts actually come from DK64, and that none of Fox's alts come from SFAssault, Adventures, nor James McCloud. Allsalts (talk) 01:23, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

Little Mac's Orange Pallete swap

Is a reference to the 2P mode of the wii Punch Out, specificlly the color of the second player

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRc0IRYwltw --69.204.151.118 18:29, 23 September 2014 (EDT)

The colors are reversed though, not sure if that counts. --HavocReaper48 18:53, 23 September 2014 (EDT)

don't understand why it wouldn't count. They have the same gloves and everything is the same if you swap the black and the yellow. The Blue and Yellow costumes don't align 100% to their source costumes yet no one complains that they don't count.

Also, BTW, the white costume has an incorrect source, I noticed. It's not based off of Piston Hondo/Honda, it's more likely based off a quirk (not really a glitch since it's intentional) where Little Mac has white gloves/pants at the beginning and end of matches, along with when enemy boxers were on the floor

Source again: http://youtu.be/GdZOp1bnLzE?t=1m36s --69.204.151.118 20:02, 27 September 2014 (EDT)

Eddie the Yeti

Does anyone think D.K.'s white palette swap is based on Eddie the Yeti from the TV show and hispink one is based on Pink D.K. Jr. from Donkey Kong Jr. Math?

Whitey (talk) 12:40, 27 September 2014 (EDT)

Just because two characters are the same colours doesn't mean they're based off each other. Toomai Glittershine The Brazen 12:49, 27 September 2014 (EDT)

Then Bowser's brown costume isn't based on Morton.

And Sheik's Green isn't Saria.

Whitey (talk) 13:13, 27 September 2014 (EDT) 13:12, 27 September 2014 (EDT)

This page has a ton of selective speculation. It's safer to say a palette swap resembles something than to say it's directly based off of it, or even to say it might be based off of it. Blue Ninjakoopa 20:10, 27 September 2014 (EDT)

Yes!! Whitey (talk) 10:33, 28 September 2014 (EDT)

R.O.B. Blue and White

I feel pretty strongly about that R.O.B.'s White/ Light Blue is representative of the Wii. WiiU's color scheme, when taking into account the white version of the console. I originally had it under his Palette swaps, but that and other edits I made to the Palette swaps that I felt were relevant were delted, possibly Rolled back. This Palette swap in particular I feel is accurate, especially since it seems many of his palette swaps are based on the color schemes of various consoles. Please let me know what you think of this addition that I am proposing. Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) (talk) 11:46, 2 October 2014 (EDT)

The only thing that is light blue on the Wii/Wii U are the LED lights, and even then it's not the same blue as seen in the palette swap. And only one of his palette swaps is based off another console: The Virtual Boy. The first two are just based off how R.O.B.s look in Japan and America respectively. The other characters I felt were either irrelevant/not notable or an unlikely reference. Unknown the Hedgehog 11:57, 2 October 2014 (EDT)

To be fair, the Wii U's logo and boxart include white and light blue elements. Not sure that qualifies, but it's not a clear-cut "no" on that one. Miles (talk) 12:03, 2 October 2014 (EDT)

I'm just saying that the majority seemed to be based off of hardware colors, and, like Miles noted, it could represent the boxart for the WiiU as well. The Blue and White have been the logo for both of those consoles. Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) (talk) 12:38, 2 October 2014 (EDT)

That's a much darker blue than what's used on R.O.B.'s swap. [6] [7] Unknown the Hedgehog 13:31, 2 October 2014 (EDT)

It's more about the combination of colors though Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) (talk) 13:43, 2 October 2014 (EDT)

It's not the right color. Unknown the Hedgehog 13:53, 2 October 2014 (EDT)

Blue Charizard

Didn't blue pallete swap of Charizard resemble Zubat/Golbat? (blue skin, purple wings) 80.50.140.58 06:37, 4 October 2014 (EDT)

Good enough trivia?

Is it notable that ganondorf's palette swap heads show hair color changes that are not in the actual palette swap?Littlesquirtle, the one who fails slightly less than he used to. (talk) 11:05, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

That happened in a lot of previous game's palette swaps (e.g. Gravity Suit Samus' purple helmet icon). PikaSamus (talk) 11:14, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

So it's not? Reply if soLittlesquirtle, the one who fails slightly less than he used to. (talk) 11:25, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

I'd say it would be interesting Trivia, so go for it!! Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) (talk) 12:27, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

It's not, don't. This happens all the time in the smash series, see Roy's heads in Melee. Laikue (talk|contribs) 15:31, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

I seeLittlesquirtle, the Phillip. (talk) 16:21, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

Dark Pit Brown

Different hair color and tan: the dark grey hair and tan with black clothes strongly hint at Magnus resemblance to me. SleepyRiri (talk) 18:33, 9 October 2014 (EDT)

Bowser Orange

The fluorescent pink hair tuft sort of resembles Bowletta from Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga. Guest 101.115.16.66 02:19, 11 October 2014 (EDT)

Duck Hunt

http://www.wildfowl-photography.co.uk/identification/types-of-duck.htm this might help with the Duck Hunt pallete swap. Lucoshi (talk) 19:34, 12 October 2014 (EDT)

All Color Palettes in HD

http://imgur.com/a/0RQtP#9tMtvwm

Its every single color palette in the game with a full render, so I think these should replace the current ones since they are blurry from the 3DS. GamerGuy09 (talk) 15:19, 15 October 2014 (EDT)

If that was transparent it would be my dream page... :D

Anyhow. I see no real problem besides transparency. But it would take quite a bit of editing. Anyone? ...a new Nuttais approaching... 15:24, 15 October 2014 (EDT)

The last time I saw this list, it accidentally had one of the Robins duplicated (yellow), was therefore missing something (pink), and so was turned down (the set's description even says "Pink Haired Female Robin is MIA"). That particular problem seems to have been fixed, but the set as a whole still has some issues in my opinion:

1. Size. We have a general rule that images shouldn't be any larger than they need to be, and these certainly push that. They're also of inconsistent size, which may make them a challenge to put together in a cohesive way.
2. Mario has the fireball in his set. Personally I think it's a bit jarring, and makes it more obvious that he's being inconsistent in some way.
3. Transparency shouldn't be a big deal, but if/when we get extractions of similar quality plus transparency from the Wii U version, these ones will be ousted.
4. They're .jpgs. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, but it may mean that resizing them will produce artifacts. It's kind of impossible to predict or control.

Now, all that being said, there are a few things that could potentially be done to alleviate these issues. I'll have a look at XL and see if he's capable of lessening the manual workload. As it stands I give it a 50-50 shot that I should be able to at least have a comparison available within say a week. Toomai Glittershine The Engineer 17:13, 15 October 2014 (EDT)

Blue Shoes Sonic is Classic Sonic.

I added this to the page and it got reverted, but it looks spot-on to me. - 82.42.253.53 05:58, 19 October 2014 (EDT)

...as the reverter, I stand corrected. Give me a sec, and I'll change it back. Aidan the Gamer 09:53, 19 October 2014 (EDT)

Greninja Swaps

I'm pretty sure the dark purple one is meant to represent Gengar's color scheme, that evolutionary line has typically been shown in the games and anime to use the move Lick a lot, which is a perfect representation on Greninja. I changed the pink one earlier today to mention is resembles Lickilicky. I don't have an account, sorry.

Lickilicky is a good match for pink Greninja, yes, but Gengar's purple is far darker than that of Greninja's. Aidan the Gamer 19:40, 21 October 2014 (EDT)

That, and Greninja can't normally learn Lick. Aidan the Gamer 19:42, 21 October 2014 (EDT)

Side by Side comparisons

Fairly comprehensive. gets a few things missed on the wiki. Still being updated.

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2k2jis/smash_alts_origins_v7_pokemon/clhaz1a

• • Particular note on the Mario page http://furballcan.tumblr.com/post/98874751769/mario-palette-swap-breakdown for the green color. It comes from wrecking crew's box art instead of being "not luigi" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allsalts (talk • contribs) 12:02, 26 October 2014 (EDT)

Takamaru

Am I the only one who thinks that Robin's White (male) costume resembles Takamaru, rather than White Mage? This should be noted. 75.141.44.196 16:14, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

Not quite. Takamaru's outfit is entirely white, with a red overcoat; Robin's white costume features him donning brown boots and a cape with red trim. White Mage seems more acceptable.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 16:23, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

Reading too much into it: ZSS/Sheik/Palutena/Lucario

Someone mentioned in one of the DK topics that just because a character is a certain color, it does not mean that they are based off of another character of that color. In that light, I don't think the description of green Sheik resembling Saria is what was intended. I think it's just... Sheik. In green. If the sleeves/boots were a darker green or something, then maybe, but as it is not even the shade of green is particularly similar.

Similarly, I don't think the darker blue Zero Suit Samus palette is based on anything in particular either, on the basis that the Samus' Zero Suit at the end of MP2 is probably intended to just be her normal suit, since it still has the pink marks that the normal ZS has and whatnot.

Palutena's black palette too. It's basically just black with gold adornment, which is really nothing like Hades, who has a lot of red and purple in his color scheme with no gold.

Aaaaand while I'm at it Lucario's lightish blue palette is basically nothing like Riolu (any more than Lucario already is-- they have the same palette).

I think that's all I got for now. Good work overall, but the above descriptions are reaching just a bit too much.

I feel like Brown Ike, Black Peach, and Cyan Pit are probably based off of other characters/iterations as well, but heck if I know who. I'll look into it a bit more. Banryu (talk) 13:38, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

For some things, like an instance of a character appearing as that color or a fairly clear analogue we can use "Resembles" instead of "Based on" but other stuff like Sheik being Saria is just wrong to me. It's just Green Sheik. Palutena's Black costume isnt hades, nor is Dark Pit's.

Lucario I would say is Riolu just because yes they have the same palette but Riolu is sometimes depicted as a lighter blue and doesnt have the yellow mid section. That's a case of "Resembles" rather than "Based on"

Speaking of. Lucario's dark blue looks almost identical to his anime/mega designs. Why are those banned on the page while say Greninja's purple arent. And why is it okay for Greninja's pink to be Lickiliki but not Charizards white to be Aerodactyl? Allsalts (talk) 23:07, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

Lucario's Brawl palette swaps had one more closer to Riolu. The one we have now is farther away from that distinction.

As for Greninja, the pink is based off of Licklicky (or whatever the hell it is) because both have similarities. Tongues and pink color. Saying Charizard's white one is based off of Aerodactyl is a bit of a stretch. Aidan the Gamer 23:18, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

Lickilicky has a pink body, lighter pink tongue, and yellow accents. Just like Greninja's swap. cool. Aerodactly has a whitish gray body and dull purple wings just like Charizard's swap. No go. How is that more of a stretch? I don't understand the distinction you're making. Especially considering Aero's X and Y sprite, its most recent iteration: http://www.psypokes.com/dex/psydex/142/picdex Allsalts (talk) 03:24, 29 October 2014 (EDT)

In Generations 4 and 5, Aerodactyl's body is more grey than white. That's probably what I was thinking of. Looking at that, I say go ahead and add it. Aidan the Gamer 07:09, 29 October 2014 (EDT)

Pikachu's Section

Isn't this section a bit hard to get around? For example, the "White" palette swap has a reddish Pikachu with a white bandana having blue stripes and a red dot. Couldn't we rename some of the colors or something like that so the pictures and words could relate easier? SmashBros (talk) 15:46, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

I would agree renaming the less obvious ones (especially Pikachu's), but not the more obvious ones where you can tell "yep, blue." Rtzxy Smashing! 15:50, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

It took much time and effort to generate the existing simple, unique colour names to each costume for every character. If you want them changed, you'll have to make a fully-fleshed suggestion set, not just a "can we change this". Toomai Glittershine The Irrepressible 17:45, 28 October 2014 (EDT)