Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the Smash Arena. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

Rules

Posting suggestions

• Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
  • Outside very specific circumstances, no fights are allowed between combatants that only appear in a game that has yet to be released.
• If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
• Check this list to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred 100 or more rounds ago. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
• Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week (i.e. one every seven days).
• Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with ~~~~ and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with ~~~~).
• Place new suggestions at the bottom of the page.
• You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
• Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.

Voting and comments

• Don't vote on your own suggestion.
• Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
• The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
• Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
• Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

Acceptance or rejection

• The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
• Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
• Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
  • In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
• If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
• Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

Tips

• In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
• Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
• While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
• Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
• The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

Queue

The current queue is as such:

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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

Show Your Support

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Template

To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:

==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

===Oppose===

===Comments===

Suggestions

Planet Zebes vs Brinstar vs Norfair

Three Metroid stages with hazardous liquid rising and falling during battle. 192.197.128.18 15:26, 3 December 2013 (EST)

Support

1. Dots (talk) The Arceus 16:04, 3 December 2013 (EST)
2. Sure. Scr7(talk · contribs) 16:49, 3 December 2013 (EST)
3. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 16:57, 3 December 2013 (EST)
4. 75.156.151.217 20:28, 3 December 2013 (EST)
5. Yes. --Timson622222 (talk) 20:29, 3 December 2013 (EST)
6. Definitely. JamesHeart 08:12, 4 December 2013 (EST)
7. Yes please. ChuckNorris 16:51, 5 December 2013 (EST)

Balanced Brawl v.s. Brawl+

Since we already did Brawl- v.s. P:M, the two most popular mods, how about we go a bit more obscure.

Both of these games try to balance things out; one makes the physics faster so every character has viable combos, and the other keeps the game pretty much the same outside of a few character changes to equalize the playing field. Will the results add up for Brawl+, or will the balance of votes be skewed towards Balanced Brawl? --Timson622222 (talk) 20:35, 3 December 2013 (EST)

Support

1. It's supposed to be a battle between two mods that aren't that popular. ChuckNorris 16:51, 5 December 2013 (EST)
2. I want this fight!74.212.55.248 07:52, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Oppose

1. As I said earlier, no hacks should even be referenced in the Smashwiki, so I'm saying no to this one. Multus Valde (talk) 03:41, 4 December 2013 (EST)
2. You cut away the fallacious "casuals are retarded and don't know any Brawl hacking/competitive smash, so no one here will get it", and I still feel these mods are too unpopular and old to be used. Unlike Minus and PM, probably over 95% of the Wiki haven't even touched these mods (hell, I never played Plus myself), nor are interested in doing so. So this matchup will draw little interest, and hardly anyone would actually be able to give the matchup a legitimate vote. Nice idea, just no real interest in it to make it worthwhile. Omega Tyrant 10:35, 4 December 2013 (EST)
3. I find these mods too unpopular and obscure to have a fight. Scr7(talk · contribs) 12:06, 4 December 2013 (EST)
4. Dots (talk) The RBY 16:21, 4 December 2013 (EST)

Super Smash Bros. vs. Melee vs. Brawl

The three games in the series. Which one is most worthy of the title of "Best Smash game" until SSB4 is released? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Multus Valde (talk • contribs) 04:08, 4 December 2013 (EST)

Support

1. I would want to see that!208.54.90.243 15:46, 4 December 2013 (EST)
2. While we already have a Melee vs. Brawl match with a really old generation of SmashWiki users, let's see what the new generation has to say with all three Smash games! Dots (talk) The Pokéball 16:16, 4 December 2013 (EST)
3. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 16:50, 4 December 2013 (EST)
4. 192.197.128.170 17:17, 4 December 2013 (EST)
5. Yep. --Timson622222 (talk) 23:44, 4 December 2013 (EST)
6. 75.156.151.217 10:23, 5 December 2013 (EST)
7. I was thinking about suggesting this. ChuckNorris 16:51, 5 December 2013 (EST)
8. Scr7(talk · contribs) 18:30, 5 December 2013 (EST)
9. awesome! great idea! it's such an obivious idea it's suprising nobody has thought of it before! Harro (talk) 22:27, 5 December 2013 (EST)

Pikaman vs. Gigapuff

Both of these unshapely Pokemon abominations are the result of glitching around with Brawl, and both are infamous among the Smash community, competitive and casual players alike. Which of these has science gone too far for; the man-sized electric rodent with an unnerving anatomy, or the stage-sized balloon that stretches beyond the stage's camera and boundaries? Omega Tyrant 10:52, 4 December 2013 (EST)

Support

1. Interesting. Scr7(talk · contribs) 12:06, 4 December 2013 (EST)
2. It's creative. 192.197.128.18 15:31, 4 December 2013 (EST)
3. The battle of the fat people. :P Dots (talk) The Pokéball 16:16, 4 December 2013 (EST)
4. For science. --Timson622222 (talk) 23:44, 4 December 2013 (EST)
5. 75.156.151.217 10:23, 5 December 2013 (EST)
6. Nice idea. ChuckNorris 16:51, 5 December 2013 (EST)
7. MetaMewtwoSoul 12:50, 8 December 2013 (EST)
8. This is interesting74.212.55.248 07:54, 16 December 2013 (EST)

Screw Attack vs. Franklin Badge

The two brooche items in Brawl. One is strictly offensive, the other is strictly defensive. Ooze bedder? Toast ltimatum 15:55, 4 December 2013 (EST)

Support

1. I was kind of thinking about suggesting this. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 16:50, 4 December 2013 (EST)
2. Interesting 192.197.128.170 17:17, 4 December 2013 (EST)
3. Dots (talk) The Formerly ..... 18:36, 4 December 2013 (EST)
4. 75.156.151.217 10:23, 5 December 2013 (EST)
5. Scr7(talk · contribs) 11:07, 5 December 2013 (EST)
6. You can wear them. ChuckNorris 16:51, 5 December 2013 (EST)

Fox vs. Falco vs. Wolf

Three playable Star Fox characters go head to head, each with different strengths and weaknesses in specific moves compared to others i.e. blaster, reflector and final smash comparison and they each have a particular smash attack with the strongest KO potential. Who dominates the field. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 18:13, 4 December 2013 (EST)

Support

1. In my early days on this wiki we had a Fox vs. Falco and a Fox vs. Wolf match. I would love to see the funny quotes of the Star Fox characters when we vote on this three-way match. Dots (talk) The Formerly ..... 18:36, 4 December 2013 (EST)
2. 75.156.151.217 10:23, 5 December 2013 (EST)
3. K. Scr7(talk · contribs) 11:07, 5 December 2013 (EST)
4. Surprised this hasn't been done yet. ChuckNorris 16:51, 5 December 2013 (EST)
5. 192.197.128.18 11:48, 9 December 2013 (EST)

Comments

"all with similar movesets"

Wolf's moveset is not at all similar to any significant degree. Omega Tyrant 18:26, 4 December 2013 (EST)

Saki vs. Ray MK III

Two assist trophies that fly around the stage and shoot stuff at you. Who will be the victor? ChuckNorris 16:51, 5 December 2013 (EST)

Support

1. I was also thinking of suggesting this. They both have two attacks, one that fires shots, the other either a sword attack or missile blasts. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 18:06, 5 December 2013 (EST)
2. Yeah. Scr7(talk · contribs) 18:30, 5 December 2013 (EST)
3. Both characters are rather unfamiliar to me but have high tech awesome guns to make up for it. I guess I can go for it. Dots (talk) The 90's 18:39, 5 December 2013 (EST)
4. 192.197.128.18 11:48, 9 December 2013 (EST)

Ray Gun vs Super Scope

Two shooting weapons that fire strictly horizontally. While the ray gun fires one quick shot with enough hitstun and knockback to drag opponents offscreen, the super scope can fire multiple quick but weak streams or it can fire a single more powerful charged shots. 75.156.151.217 23:07, 7 December 2013 (EST)

Support

1. Scr7(talk · contribs) 08:49, 8 December 2013 (EST)
2. Dots (talk) The Team Fortress 2 16:56, 8 December 2013 (EST)
3. 192.197.128.18 11:48, 9 December 2013 (EST)
4. Good. Idea.74.212.55.248 17:32, 17 December 2013 (EST)

Oppose

1. I don't think this would be a good one. Two guns that don't have much use, and aren't really worth using. 107.211.34.20 13:12, 9 December 2013 (EST)

Comments

I was thinking if you could add Cracker Launcher? Your discretion ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 00:04, 8 December 2013 (EST)

Cracker Launcher doesn't fire only horizontally like these two items do; it can be aimed vertically and diagonally as well. Scr7(talk · contribs) 08:49, 8 December 2013 (EST)

I thought of if cracker launcher was added, it would be a matchup of non specific universe oriented projectile shooters. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 11:16, 8 December 2013 (EST)

Super Smash Bros. Melee Roster Match

Remember the Super Smash Bros. character voting? Well, I want to see a full on Melee character voting. One thing, though; no voting because they are higher on the tier list, please. Requiem of Ice (talk) 15:13, 8 December 2013 (EST)

Support

1. It would be kind of interesting --Dinoboy411 (talk) 08:57, 14 December 2013 (EST)

Oppose

1. With 26 options per one poll, things could get out of hand because characters would generally only get a few votes each, or people would vote for a few candidates and leave the rest completely hanging. --Timson622222 (talk) 15:31, 8 December 2013 (EST)
2. I like the idea of the fight but I don't think we can fit 26 characters in one round. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 15:38, 8 December 2013 (EST)
3. Hasn't Toomai already explained many times why the Smash 64 roster match won't be duplicated with the future games? How many times does he have to reject this idea for people to stop suggesting it? Omega Tyrant 16:01, 8 December 2013 (EST)
4. Clusters? That isn't going to happen anytime soon. Dots (talk) The Team Fortress 2 16:56, 8 December 2013 (EST)
5. With a game as competitive as melee, there really is no way to keep the tier list out of it. The match would just turn into professionals vs casuals with the professionals focusing on the top tier and the casuals focusing on Mewtwo and Roy. 71.189.12.107 22:18, 12 December 2013 (EST)

Comments

Instead of having all 26 characters on a single poll, how about we split the polls up into their respective tier divisions? i.e. S Tier has one poll, A Tier has one poll, B Tier has one poll, and F Tier has one poll. This way everyone can have four votes and there's a lesser chance of leaving some characters with zero votes. Because a person's favorite characters could be spread out over the list, this idea better represents what the community thinks about who their favorites are. --Timson622222 (talk) 15:31, 8 December 2013 (EST)

That's actually a really good idea. Scr7(talk · contribs) 15:34, 8 December 2013 (EST)

Or how about do a matchup with just melee newcomers. This would narrow down the fight. Sorry I used multiple edits, things just pop up into my head after I click save. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 15:41, 8 December 2013 (EST)

I said that the tier list isn't allowed; but how about this:

Characters from their respective universes go against each other, and the top ranked from each universe go against each other. Now, you may ask, "Wait, what about the single representatives?" Well, just put them all together. What about this suggestion? Requiem of Ice (talk) 16:30, 8 December 2013 (EST)

Thats a good idea for the fight instead of all 26 characters.--Pichu+Pichu (talk) 19:44, 8 December 2013 (EST)

It worked for Smash 64 because there are 12 characters and it's to celebrate the 64th round. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 15:35, 8 December 2013 (EST) I say just put in the fighters that didn't return for Brawl e.g Mewtoo, Dr. Mario, Roy, Pichu, Young Link. Harro (talk) 18:02, 8 December 2013 (EST)

Okay, how about my secondary idea? Link vs Young Link? Requiem of Ice (talk) 19:18, 8 December 2013 (EST)

You're only allowed to suggest one fight a week. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 20:36, 8 December 2013 (EST)

Yeah, I guess. It's just a secondary idea that I'm going to submit next week (and it's a reminder, too). Requiem of Ice (talk) 23:29, 8 December 2013 (EST)

The problem is since we recently had Link vs. Young Link vs. Toon Link, I don't think your suggestion might pass since it technically contained Link and Young Link. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 00:36, 9 December 2013 (EST)

Dr. Mario vs Young Link vs Pichu vs Roy vs Mewtwo

The forgotten Melee fighters who didn't return for Brawl. Which one will come back up from the shadows? Harro (talk) 08:00, 19 December 2013 (EST)

Support

1. Ok. Ill be voting for Mewtwo... or Roy... or Pichu... or- I cant decide. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 08:32, 19 December 2013 (EST)
2. i like it!74.47.68.190 08:23, 26 December 2013 (EST)

Oppose

1. Some of the matchups contained are done recently or will be done. Dr Mario vs Young Link was recently done and Mewtwo vs Roy will be an upcoming fight. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 10:58, 19 December 2013 (EST)
2. Per above Scr7(talk · contribs) 12:32, 19 December 2013 (EST)
3. While a match of three is acceptable, anything higher than that is just too much. The only one I accepted was the controller match considering that we all have a preference to them. Dots (talk) The Brawl 13:25, 19 December 2013 (EST)

Wario Vs. Shadow

Battle of the rivals of Mario & Sonic! --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 08:34, 19 December 2013 (EST)

Support

1. They're antagonistic counterparts of the mascots. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 10:58, 19 December 2013 (EST)
2. Yeah. Scr7(talk · contribs) 12:32, 19 December 2013 (EST)
3. Dots (talk) The Brawl 13:25, 19 December 2013 (EST)
4. Oooooohh!74.47.68.190 08:24, 26 December 2013 (EST)

Helirin vs. Corneria

Here's something a little more different and random. One is an Assist Trophy, and one is a stage, and yet they are both flying planes. ADDITIONAL REASON: Kuru Kuru Kururin is a great game. You should buy it. Toast ltimatum 13:49, 19 December 2013 (EST)

Support

I dont even think Kuru Kuru Kururin has been in Smash Arena yet anyways. Correct me if im wrong. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 08:34, 19 December 2013 (EST)

Oppose

1. This one looks weird to be a matchup. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 11:53, 20 December 2013 (EST)

Pikachu (SSB) Vs. Fox (SSBM) Vs. Meta Knight (SSBB)

Battle of the God Tiers! --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 17:34, 24 December 2013 (EST)

Oppose

1. There are multiple reasons as to why I oppose. One of the reasons being that some people on this site either hate or don't believe in tier lists. Requiem of Ice (talk) 17:21, 25 December 2013 (EST)
2. Because there's already been Pikachu (SSB) vs. Meta Knight (SSBB) and Fox (SSBM) vs. Meta Knight (SSBB) matches. Scr7(talk · contribs) 17:25, 25 December 2013 (EST)
3. Per Scr7. --Timson622222 (talk) 18:29, 25 December 2013 (EST)
4. Pikachu vs Meta Knight happened recently, I would save this until 100 rounds later. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 18:32, 25 December 2013 (EST)
5. Fights based solely on tier position are nothing but boring. Awesome Cardinal 2000 18:37, 25 December 2013 (EST)
6. Per above. Could be a viable match within future users but not now. Dots (talk) The Smasher 02:31, 26 December 2013 (EST)

Comments

@Requiem of Ice: You're in the vast minority there. Your opinion =/= the site's general opinion. Scr7(talk · contribs) 18:19, 25 December 2013 (EST)

This site is decidedly pro-tier, to add to that. We get that you don't believe in tiers, but don't generalize and say your opinion is representative of everyone here, especially if none of us actually fall under said generalization. --Timson622222 (talk) 18:29, 25 December 2013 (EST)

I am sorry. I didn't think that there were more pro-tier here. But if I may say, if this match were to happen anytime, the match would have to have an updated SSB64 tier list for this or next year. But who am I to say anything about the tier list? Just for people to know that the characters they play are great to them is great to know already. I'm gonna change my oppose vote so it goes by fact. Requiem of Ice (talk) 21:01, 25 December 2013 (EST)