Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the Smash Arena. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

Rules

Posting suggestions

• Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
• If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
• Check this list to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred 100 or more rounds ago. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
• Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week (i.e. one every seven days).
• Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with ~~~~ and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with ~~~~).
• Place new suggestions at the bottom of the page.
• You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
• Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.

Voting and comments

• Don't vote on your own suggestion.
• Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
• The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
• Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
• Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

Acceptance or rejection

• The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
• Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
• Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
  • In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
• If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
• Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

Tips

• In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
• Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
• While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
• Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
• The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

Queue

The current queue is as such:

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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

Show Your Support

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Template

To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:

==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

===Oppose===

===Comments===

Suggestions

Falco vs. Marth

Both of these characters have been high on the tier list and have had great tournament results in both Melee and Brawl. It's time to see which one is more liked. Scr7 11:31, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

Support

1. You guys do realize that these two have been successful in tournaments for the last two Smash Bros. games. Dots The StarCraft 14:33, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
2. What Dots said. DoctorPain99 11:53, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
3. I want to see what DP99 has to say about Marth. -- Conny 11:58, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

Oppose

1. I don't really see the similarities between these two. There are more characters with outstanding tournament results. 173.79.214.38 11:54, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
2. I agree with 173.79.214.38. There's pretty much nothing that the characters have in common, and impressive tournament results aren't really notable when multiple characters have achieved such a thing.71.105.121.171 12:31, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
3. Why?--Brian^{Don't try me!} 17:46, 24 July 2013 (EDT)

Comments

What I was trying to say is that they've been successful in both Melee and Brawl. All the other top tiers from Melee were nerfed; while some of them do well in Brawl tournaments, they didn't stay very high on the tier list like Falco and Marth did. Scr7 12:33, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

True, but if you look at the Ice Climbers, you'll notice that they also have achived strong tournament results in Melee and Brawl, just like Marth and Falco. Also, Pikachu has earned rather good tournament results in two of the three games that came out as of now, much like the three characters I just mentioned. As a result, I would feel that this battle would be a bit more interesting if you included the Ice Climbers and Pikachu, since they did well in at least two games as of now. Of course, you don't have to accept my idea if you don't want to, and, even then, I would rather see what others think of my idea before you accept it. Sorry for my relatively long comment, but I just wanted to explain things and help with your suggestion a bit.71.105.121.171 12:51, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

Well yeah the ICs do well in both, but I wanted it to be just two characters. Pikachu isn't seen that much in Melee tournaments, the only player that does really well with him in Melee is Axe. Also, he was the only Pikachu player to make it into the Apex 2013 bracket. Also, Falco and Marth have been strong in tournaments for pretty much all of Melee's lifespan (and Brawl too), while the ICs in Melee were only considered around average from 2003-2005 before Wobbling appeared. Scr7 13:24, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

I see. Well, if you want only two characters in this match, I'll let you go with that decision. I just wanted to give a few ideas to see if you liked them. I will admit, Pikachu is perhaps my more questionable suggestion for the match, as it is considered quite good in Brawl and the original Smash Bros. but more in the middle in Melee, unlike Marth, Falco, and the Ice Climbers.71.105.121.171 14:22, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

Ancient Minister vs. R.O.B.

The alternate version R.O.B. is coming to the Smash Arena! Which version is liked more? The original or the disguised version? Kirbyman (talk) 15:15, 6 July 2013 (EDT)

Oppose

1. They are the exact same person, only with different names and appearance.71.105.121.171 20:25, 6 July 2013 (EDT)
2. Scr7 05:35, 14 July 2013 (EDT)
3. Not at all interesting. DoctorPain99 11:53, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
4. Unless if R.O.B. can travel back in time just to fight Ancient Minister, how can one fight himself? Dots The PhD 12:08, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

Comments

@IP 71: SmashWiki is not spoiler-safe. Brawl been out for five years now and pretty much everyone knows the spoiler content in it. There's no need to hide or "apologise" for spoilers here. Omega Tyrant 06:08, 7 July 2013 (EDT)

Tingle vs. Togepi

Two of Brawl's assist characters with random abilities. Who will win with a variety of moves, the assist trophy character, or the pokeball pokemon? 173.79.214.38 18:14, 14 July 2013 (EDT)

Support

1. If we are doing this from a Brawl perspective, I like the match. If it's the series as a whole, however, I would like Clefairy to be included as well.71.105.121.171 20:44, 14 July 2013 (EDT)
2. I think he meant it as a Brawl thing, but either way I like this idea. Terrible is Terrible 22:10, 14 July 2013 (EDT)
3. Sure, I guess DoctorPain99 11:53, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
4. Dots The PhD 12:08, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

Oppose

1. I don't like the idea. Scr7 10:28, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

<NONE> vs. <Sheik>

<NONE had a pretty good disguise as Sheik in Melee, but what will happen when it matches up against the girl it was disguised as? > Multus Valde (talk) 04:38, 21 July 2013 (EDT)Multus_Valde

Oppose

1. To me, this one doesn't make sense.71.105.121.171 11:18, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
2. What's this supposed to mean? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 11:20, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
3. First, this doesn't make sense at all. Second, in the future, you can take off the < >, they are just used to show where to put the text in. Terrible is Terrible 11:21, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
4. Why should a playable character be against the "No Entrant" message? Scr7 11:24, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
5. HUH? DoctorPain99 11:53, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
6. "None"? The heck is that? Dots The PhD 12:08, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
7. How does this even make sense?TheAtomicFire (talk) 18:44, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
8. This makes sense (not). Conny 12:28, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

9.This doesn't make any sense at all!

Comments

NONE is the "No Entrant" thingy that shows up on the results screen if there aren't 4 players... I think. Scr7 11:25, 21 July 2013 (EDT)

Mario VS Sonic

The Classic Battle of Nintendo VS Sega. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.106.220.55 (talk • contribs) 18:21, 21 July 2013 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Been there, done that, not tied, not even close. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
2. Terrible is Terrible 18:46, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
3. Sonic Says...not close or a tie. (The capital in "says" was intentional, by the way.)71.105.121.171 18:49, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
4. Was not close blah blah blah. Scr7 10:26, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
5. Per above. DoctorPain99 11:53, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
6. I think this has been done before. Dots The PhD 12:08, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
7. This has been done numerous amount of times. Conny 12:28, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

Comments

In the future, please sign your posts with four tildes (~) at the end IP 76. Terrible is Terrible 18:46, 21 July 2013 (EDT)

Also, when posting suggestions, the suggestion must look like (==participant A vs participant B==) without the parentheses and include sections for supports, opposition and comments entitled:

(===Support===)

(===Oppose===)

(===Comments===)

again, without the parentheses. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 20:18, 21 July 2013 (EDT)

King Dedede vs. Snake

These two go head to head again after a very close match. Will Snake prevail again, or will Dedede show who's the real king? Terrible is Terrible 18:46, 21 July 2013 (EDT)

Support

1. Okay Scr7 10:28, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
2. WHY NO ONE PICK THIS? It's got Snake, and I would love to see who prevails over this again, actually. Conny 12:28, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Didn't care for this fight to begin with, let alone a rematch. DoctorPain99 11:53, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
2. While an interesting match, these guys are kinda are some of my least favorite characters in Brawl. Dots The PhD 12:08, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
3. Rematch, yawn. Toast ltimatum 11:44, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
4. I dislike rematches. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 12:49, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

Timer vs. Lightning Bolt

A feud between two items that made their Smash debut in Brawl, and can either give a combatant a big advantage or a serious backfire. Which is a more popular way to press your luck? 71.105.121.171 11:41, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

Support

1. Scr7 11:45, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
2. One makes opponents weaker, the other makes them slower. Nice. Bandit 11:47, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
3. I suppose... DoctorPain99 11:53, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
4. Shrinking vs. slow mo. I like it. Dots The PhD 12:08, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
5. Battle of two of the trolliest items. I like it. Terrible is Terrible 22:22, 22 July 2013 (EDT)
6. Boo Buddy (talk) 06:03, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
7. Uh, sure? Conny 12:28, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
8. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 12:51, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

Samus vs Jigglypuff

I think that this should be a battle because both are part of the Original 12 and both are below average in Super Smash Bros. and Super Smash Bros. Brawl and above average in Super Smash Bros. Melee. --- Conanshinichi 22:05, 22 July 2013 (EDT)

Support

1. Another similarity is that they both have no advantageous matchups in 64. Scr7 02:55, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
2. Buff, then nerf. Silly Sakurai, tricks are for kids. DoctorPain99 11:38, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
3. Dots The RBY 12:57, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

Oppose

1. I really don't see the significance here.--Brian^{Don't try me!} 17:47, 24 July 2013 (EDT)

Bowser vs Petey Piranha

A battle between two well known bosses in the Mario universe. Both are among the most powerful and slowest characters in spinoffs, and both have also made appearances in Smash and are evil in the SSE. Boo Buddy (talk) 05:19, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

Support

1. I like that idea Scr7 05:21, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
2. Good similarity. Plus, I like battles involving a character who is hardly ever used in the Smash Arena.71.105.121.171 11:08, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
3. Seems interesting enough DoctorPain99 11:38, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
4. I don't like how it's playable character vs. boss, but I guess it could work. Terrible is Terrible 11:39, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
5. I'm fine with this. Conny 12:28, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
6. Pretty good idea. Dots The RBY 12:57, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

Comments

Terrible, Petey is playable in a few games. Boo Buddy (talk) 11:44, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

He means in Smash. Scr7 11:46, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

Angel Ring vs. Mirror Shield

Pit's two reflectors, both of which are seemingly getting the axe in Super Smash Bros. 4. We could do this fight soon, or if/once we know they've officially been replaced. Or not do it at all. Do decide. Toast ltimatum 08:00, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

Support

1. Scr7 08:03, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
2. Both are Pit's reflectors. I'm curious which will win out.71.105.121.171 11:08, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
3. Two reflectors under one character? No problem. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 12:50, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
4. Dots The RBY 12:57, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

Oppose

1. This is completely speculative, and it doesn't really seem that interesting, a fight between two special moves of the same character? DoctorPain99 11:38, 23 July 2013 (EDT)
2. Doesn't seem like a interesting matchup, and let alone, since it's purely speculative, it won't do good of a match anyways. Per above, also. Conny 12:28, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

Comments

The fact that both are very different moves that both belong to the same character isn't speculative. Toast ltimatum 11:43, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

both of which are seemingly getting the axe in Super Smash Bros. 4. Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about. DoctorPain99 11:44, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

I didn't deny that it's partially speculative, but there's still more than enough reason for a scrap without it. Toast ltimatum 11:45, 23 July 2013 (EDT)

Pikachu vs. Jigglypuff

<Both pokemonare very main from the kanto region!> Moomoos86 (talk) 15:00, 24 July 2013 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Firstly, this has been done before and it wasn't even close. Secondly, that sentence makes no sense at all. Scr7 15:06, 24 July 2013 (EDT)
2. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 15:24, 24 July 2013 (EDT)
3. For the reasons Scr7 gave.71.105.121.171 16:04, 24 July 2013 (EDT)
4. Its done before in addition of it being a definite win to Pikachu, and I don't know what your saying. Dots The 90's 18:58, 24 July 2013 (EDT)