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*Allow trips to be teched.
*Allow trips to be teched.
*If Brawl's reverse edge grabbing remains, add "grab the edge from behind" animations.
*If Brawl's reverse edge grabbing remains, add "grab the edge from behind" animations.
*Reimplement the "ow!" vocals on getting hit big.
*Make all sacrificial KOs favour the user.
*Make all sacrificial KOs favour the user.
*Give all characters that can eat items a hitbox upon eating an explosive, not just Wario.
*Give all characters that can eat items a hitbox upon eating an explosive, not just Wario.
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*Have a way to visually approximate how much health an item has (splintered Crates, leaking Smash Balls, etc).
*Have a way to visually approximate how much health an item has (splintered Crates, leaking Smash Balls, etc).
*Have freeze frames be based on the attacker's timeframe, not the target's. (e.g. kneeing/zapkicking/thunderstomping someone under the Timer will have both characters resume animation at the same time)
*Have freeze frames be based on the attacker's timeframe, not the target's. (e.g. kneeing/zapkicking/thunderstomping someone under the Timer will have both characters resume animation at the same time)
*Hitboxes produced by something attached to a character should be undodgeable for that character. (Pikmin, Gooey Bombs, etc).
*Hitboxes produced by something attached to a character should be undodgeable (but still blockable) for that character. (Pikmin, Gooey Bombs, etc).
*Return crouch cancelling to its knockback-reducing form, but don't reduce damage and disable downwards trajectory DI until the stick is released.


===Single-player===
===Single-player===
*In adventure mode, have underwater segments. While underwater, everything animates at 0.7x speed, Smashers have infinite first jumps, and flame hitboxes either turn into normal hitboxes (if direct) or don't exist (if indirect).
*In adventure mode, have underwater segments. While underwater, everything animates at 0.7x speed, Smashers have infinite first jumps, and flame hitboxes either turn into normal hitboxes (if direct) or don't exist (if indirect).
*Don't split the storyline of any singleplayer modes.
*Have Giga Bowser return as a boss somewhere.
*Have Giga Bowser return as a boss somewhere.


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===Bowser===
===Bowser===
*Attacks to Bowser's shell clang as if outprioritized (unless they cannot clang), followed by Bowser chuckling during the freeze frames.
*Attacks to Bowser's shell clang as if outprioritized (unless they cannot clang), followed by Bowser chuckling during the freeze frames.
*Keep the Flying Slam, but give the move Koopa Klaw-like visuals and behaviour if no one's in grab range.


===Yoshi===
===Yoshi===
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===Olimar===
===Olimar===
*Bring clang behaviour of aerials in line with everyone else.
*Weaken Blue Pikmin attacks; they're really not that much weaker than Red ones.
*Weaken Blue Pikmin attacks; they're really not that much weaker than Red ones.
*Change Blue health from 14 to 12.
*Change Blue health from 14 to 12.
*Don't make Red Pikmin drown faster than the others.
*Don't make Red Pikmin drown faster than the others.
*Gives Whites an actual Poison effect instead of just using Darkness. They would of course be immune to hitboxes with the effect should anything else have it.
*Gives Whites an actual Poison effect instead of just using Darkness. They would of course be immune to hitboxes with the effect should anything else have it.
*Allow Pikmin to be eaten like items when not part of the line or attached to something. Whites would cause about 12% damage.
*Increase the line size to 7 or 8 to accomodate new Pikmin.


===R.O.B.===
===R.O.B.===
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*Don't have Bob-ombs blow up while held.
*Don't have Bob-ombs blow up while held.
*Bring back the Cloaking Device, though possibly as something else. (Vanish Block? Repel Gel? White Crystal?)
*Bring back the Cloaking Device, though possibly as something else. (Vanish Block? Repel Gel? White Crystal?)
*Don't remove inactive Motion-Sensor Bombs or Pitfalls, or at least make them last much longer.
*Make it a bit more obvious exactly when the Golden Hammer is ready for pickup after its entrance.
*Cause Blast Boxes to instantly detonate if hit by either Flame attacks or Explosive attacks.
*Cause Blast Boxes to instantly detonate if hit by either Flame attacks or Explosive attacks.
*Make large items impassable (therefore stand-on-able), and have them disable edges they're sitting on.
*Make large items impassable (therefore stand-on-able), and have them disable edges they're sitting on.
*Allow characters to set down large items by pressing shield (or maybe have that replace the neutral throw option).
*Allow characters to set down large items by pressing shield (or maybe have that replace the neutral throw option). Would create interesting shenanigans when combined with the above edge disabling.
*Allow Gooey Bombs on the stage to attach themselves to people should they walk by.
*Allow Gooey Bombs on the stage to attach themselves to people should they walk by.


==Unusual/implausible ideas==
==Unusual/implausible ideas==
*Add enough animations so there are no situations where characters suddenly face the other way (e.g. f-smashing in the direction they're not facing).
*Add enough animations so there are no situations where characters suddenly face the other way (e.g. f-smashing in the direction they're not facing).
*Instead of Nana acting on delayed controller input, have her act on whatever Popo's doing.
*Instead of Nana acting on delayed controller input, have her act on whatever Popo's doing. This would remove the fun of independent action while shooting or Hammering but also remove the possibility of desynch (more than a fair trade in my opinion).
*Have Pikmin do something other than becoming invisible while Olimar's on the edge or on a ladder.
*Have Pikmin do something other than becoming invisible while Olimar's on the edge or on a ladder.
*Have Blue Pikmin deal Pikmin/Water damage.
*Have Blue Pikmin deal Pikmin/Water damage.
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*Don't remove non-third-party characters, and re-add those that were removed.
*Don't remove non-third-party characters, and re-add those that were removed.
*Detect when a tournament match is being played and replace all characters with Sandbag.
*Detect when a tournament match is being played and replace all characters with Sandbag.
*Don't split the storyline of any singleplayer modes.
*Never patch the game.
*Never patch the game.
*Do not allow character customization of any sort.
*Do not allow character customization of any sort.

Revision as of 13:21, August 31, 2012

Just various (non-bugfix) tweaks I think should be in the next SSB game.

Main ideas

General

  • Remove Brawl's ability to act while taking knockback.
  • Allow trips to be teched.
  • If Brawl's reverse edge grabbing remains, add "grab the edge from behind" animations.
  • Reimplement the "ow!" vocals on getting hit big.
  • Make all sacrificial KOs favour the user.
  • Give all characters that can eat items a hitbox upon eating an explosive, not just Wario.
  • Make it so that once player A throws player B, A cannot regrab B for 10-20 frames (not sure what the best value is).
  • Either remove Flame-Grass-Water triangle or apply all other Pokémon type interactions. (Arm/Leg would be Fighting, Body/Spin would be Normal, Kirby's Stone would be Rock, DK's Hand Slap would be Ground, etc.)
  • Have a way to visually approximate how much health an item has (splintered Crates, leaking Smash Balls, etc).
  • Have freeze frames be based on the attacker's timeframe, not the target's. (e.g. kneeing/zapkicking/thunderstomping someone under the Timer will have both characters resume animation at the same time)
  • Hitboxes produced by something attached to a character should be undodgeable (but still blockable) for that character. (Pikmin, Gooey Bombs, etc).
  • Return crouch cancelling to its knockback-reducing form, but don't reduce damage and disable downwards trajectory DI until the stick is released.

Single-player

  • In adventure mode, have underwater segments. While underwater, everything animates at 0.7x speed, Smashers have infinite first jumps, and flame hitboxes either turn into normal hitboxes (if direct) or don't exist (if indirect).
  • Don't split the storyline of any singleplayer modes.
  • Have Giga Bowser return as a boss somewhere.

Luigi

  • Apply "green flame" effect to Fireball (definitely), Green Missile (probably), and Fire Jump Punch (possibly). Identical to flame effect, just green.

Peach

  • Put double jump between Melee and Brawl heights.
  • Allow Peach Bomber to activate on shields. The hitbox has high shield damage for a reason.
  • Give a "whoops" animation for when Peach tries to pull a Vegetable in the air (like when Olimar tries to pluck from the air).

Bowser

  • Attacks to Bowser's shell clang as if outprioritized (unless they cannot clang), followed by Bowser chuckling during the freeze frames.
  • Keep the Flying Slam, but give the move Koopa Klaw-like visuals and behaviour if no one's in grab range.

Yoshi

  • Fix Egg Roll. Give it reasonable hitboxes; give Yoshi some sort of protection while rolling.
  • Let Yoshi eat items.
  • Let Yoshi grab the edge with his tongue.

DK

  • Get rid of that stupid hurtbox covering the blank space in front of DK's chest.
  • Let DK use Hand Slap in the air. Hitbox would be small but damage would be about the same.

Diddy

  • Deal minor self-damage (~3%) if Peanut Popgun overloads. Maybe also have a weak hitbox.
  • Let Diddy pull as many bananas as he wants, but only if he doesn't own any of the ones that currently exist.

Links

  • Give different special moves to whatever alternate Link forms there are. Grappling Hook, Deku Leaf, Gust Jar, Fire Rod, whatever.

ZSS

  • If ZSS starts a match, don't produce Power Suit Pieces.

MK

  • Don't make all of MK's sword attacks transcendent. Maybe leave most of them, but have a few that aren't.

Dedede

  • Cause down throw to always knock the opponent down. Alternatively, give it an angle in the 70 range or non-fixed knockback.

Wolf

  • Wolf's 60-frame restriction on meteor cancelling is ludicrous and unjustified. Bring him in line with the average.

Ice Climbers

  • Have some way of approximating how much damage the trailer has (e.g. exhausted standing animation once above 100%).

Ike

  • Don't have Quick Draw cause helplessness. (Alternatively, have it cause helpelessness if it misses and a meteor smash if it hits.)

G&W

  • Don't give Judge 9 a smaller hitbox thatn the other numbers.
  • Reduce Oil Panic's multiplier from 2.8x to ~2.0x and remove the upper and lower limits.

Olimar

  • Bring clang behaviour of aerials in line with everyone else.
  • Weaken Blue Pikmin attacks; they're really not that much weaker than Red ones.
  • Change Blue health from 14 to 12.
  • Don't make Red Pikmin drown faster than the others.
  • Gives Whites an actual Poison effect instead of just using Darkness. They would of course be immune to hitboxes with the effect should anything else have it.
  • Allow Pikmin to be eaten like items when not part of the line or attached to something. Whites would cause about 12% damage.
  • Increase the line size to 7 or 8 to accomodate new Pikmin.

R.O.B.

  • Make the supercharged Robo Beam move at the same speed as a regular one.
  • Make Arm Rotor faster and a more reliable reflector. Also have R.O.B. spin both arms, not just one.

Items

  • Don't have Bob-ombs blow up while held.
  • Bring back the Cloaking Device, though possibly as something else. (Vanish Block? Repel Gel? White Crystal?)
  • Don't remove inactive Motion-Sensor Bombs or Pitfalls, or at least make them last much longer.
  • Make it a bit more obvious exactly when the Golden Hammer is ready for pickup after its entrance.
  • Cause Blast Boxes to instantly detonate if hit by either Flame attacks or Explosive attacks.
  • Make large items impassable (therefore stand-on-able), and have them disable edges they're sitting on.
  • Allow characters to set down large items by pressing shield (or maybe have that replace the neutral throw option). Would create interesting shenanigans when combined with the above edge disabling.
  • Allow Gooey Bombs on the stage to attach themselves to people should they walk by.

Unusual/implausible ideas

  • Add enough animations so there are no situations where characters suddenly face the other way (e.g. f-smashing in the direction they're not facing).
  • Instead of Nana acting on delayed controller input, have her act on whatever Popo's doing. This would remove the fun of independent action while shooting or Hammering but also remove the possibility of desynch (more than a fair trade in my opinion).
  • Have Pikmin do something other than becoming invisible while Olimar's on the edge or on a ladder.
  • Have Blue Pikmin deal Pikmin/Water damage.

Revolutionary concepts

  • Back-smashes. Back-tilts would be hard to implement (you'd turn around too fast), but back-smashes would be used by smash-turning and attacking.
  • Minor knockback bonus (~1.1x) for attacking from behind. Combined with back-smashes and Bowser's shell mechanics above, this would create interesting dynamics.
  • Allow characters to use their neutral special while on the edge. Examples:
    • Projectiles would be fired just above ground level onto the stage.
    • Windup-and-release or charge-and-release moves would be charged while hanging, while the release would propel the user onto the stage.
    • Ungrounded attacks like Mach Tornado would act as if they were used in the air.

Wishful thinking

  • Don't remove non-third-party characters, and re-add those that were removed.
  • Detect when a tournament match is being played and replace all characters with Sandbag.
  • Never patch the game.
  • Do not allow character customization of any sort.
  • Do not have a version on a handheld.
  • Make online as laggy as necessary to avoid having to put in an artificial lag buffer.
  • Once the game is ready for release, delay it for a few months or a year solely to find and fix bugs and exploits.