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 :::::In SSB64, the game has been solved to the extent that it is possible to play perfectly as a character. For example, when Pikachu battles Link, it has been proven that the match will be favorable towards Pikachu. Matchups are determined through the absolute ability of the metagame. As TAS represents a perfect playstyle, it can be used to determine the tier list.
 :::::However, to the rest of us (humans), the game is pretty much balanced. Isai and Johnny can pwn with anyone really. Hitstun is so high that all characters have combos to an extent, most even having zero-death combos on nearly every character. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 23:34, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
-::::::Tier lists are not based on absolute potential, the human factor is considered. Why do you think every tier list ever made has such a major influence from tournament results? It doesn't matter what TAS says is "possible", if it is not feasible for a human player to replicate to where it affects the metagame/tournament scene, it is a non factor in tier lists. For example, it is said frame data "proves" Meta Knight has unbeatable planking, to where once he gets the lead, he will not lose. Now why is MK not banned for this? Because the human factor and tournament results show that this does not happen at an achievable human level. Another such example would be Diddy Kong and his single banana infinite lock that works on almost every character. While this is technically possible, why isn't Diddy Kong considered a tier above everyone else? Because of the human factor, the single nanner infinite lock is too difficult to perform on a basis to where it has an actual impact on the metagame/tournament scene.
+::::::Tier lists are not based on absolute potential, the human factor is considered. Why do you think every tier list ever made has such a major influence from tournament results? It doesn't matter what TAS says is "possible", if it is not feasible for a human player to replicate to where it affects the metagame/tournament scene, it is a non factor in tier lists. For example, it is said frame data "proves" Meta Knight has unbeatable planking, to where once he gets the lead, he will not lose. Now why is MK not banned for this? Because the human factor and tournament results show that this does not happen at an achievable human level. Another such example would be Diddy Kong and his single banana infinite lock that works on almost every character. While this is technically possible, why isn't Diddy Kong considered a tier above everyone else? Because of the human factor, the single nanner infinite lock is too difficult to set up and perform on a basis to where it has an actual impact on the metagame/tournament scene.
 ::::::As such, tier lists consider what is possible in the ''human realm'' of things. TAS videos have absolutely no impact on any tier list ever made, as they portray playing ability that is simply impossible for a human player to achieve. So please, stop going around saying "TAS proves X, TAS shows the tier list is X", when in the actual tournament scene, this is simply not true. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 00:00, 31 May 2011 (EDT)