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**{{buff|The move has a shorter hitbox duration by one frame (frames 17-24/25-39 → 14-23/24-35), but has less ending lag (FAF 68 → 60).}}
**{{buff|The move has a shorter hitbox duration by one frame (frames 17-24/25-39 → 14-23/24-35), but has less ending lag (FAF 68 → 60).}}
**{{buff|The first hit no longer has a sourspot (6%/4% → 6%), and the second hit deals higher, consistent damage (6%/4% → 7%), as well as more knockback (43 base/100 scaling → 78/80), increasing its damage as well as making it consistent (8%-12% → 13%), and allowing it to KO at around 130% near the edge.}}
**{{buff|The first hit no longer has a sourspot (6%/4% → 6%), and the second hit deals higher, consistent damage (6%/4% → 7%), as well as more knockback (43 base/100 scaling → 78/80), increasing its damage as well as making it consistent (8%-12% → 13%), and allowing it to KO at around 130% near the edge.}}
**{{buff|The first hit has different angles and knockback that now also vary depending on the frame on which they hit (48° → 90°/45° (early), 285°/100° (mid), 20°/85° (late)), [[set knockback]] (43 base/65 scaling → 25/45 set/100 scaling, 25/40/100, 35/30/100) and is [[weight-independent]], has a lower hitlag multiplier (1× → 0.8×), and can no longer be SDIed (1× → 0×). These changes allow it to connect much more reliably into the second hit, regardless of the opponent's percent.}}
**{{buff|The first hit has different angles and knockback that now also vary depending on the frame on which they hit (48° → 90°/45° (early), 285°/100° (mid), 20°/85° (late)), [[set knockback]] (43 base/65 scaling → 25/45 set/100 scaling, 25/40/100, 35/30/100). It is now [[weight-independent]], has a lower hitlag multiplier (1× → 0.8×), and can no longer be SDIed (1× → 0×). These changes allow it to connect much more reliably into the second hit, regardless of the opponent's percent.}}
**{{buff|The lower staff hitbox is larger for the first hit (2.8u → 3u), and both hitboxes are larger for the second hit (4.1u/2.8u (upper/lower) → 4.8u/3.9u).}}
**{{buff|The lower staff hitbox is larger for the first hit (2.8u → 3u), and both hitboxes are larger for the second hit (4.1u/2.8u (upper/lower) → 4.8u/3.9u).}}
**{{buff|Palutena's right arm is now intangible for the full duration of the hitboxes.}}
**{{buff|Palutena's right arm is now intangible for the full duration of the hitboxes.}}
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***{{buff|Despite its faster rehit rate, it hits five times instead of six before the last hit. However, the looping hits deal more damage (1.2% → 1.4%), and alongside the last hit's increased damage, the move's total output is still higher (9.7% → 11.5%).}}
***{{buff|Despite its faster rehit rate, it hits five times instead of six before the last hit. However, the looping hits deal more damage (1.2% → 1.4%), and alongside the last hit's increased damage, the move's total output is still higher (9.7% → 11.5%).}}
**{{buff|The last hit deals higher, consistent damage (2.5%/1.5% → 4.5%), with knockback not fully compensated (60 base/195 scaling → 75/136), slightly improving its KO potential.}}
**{{buff|The last hit deals higher, consistent damage (2.5%/1.5% → 4.5%), with knockback not fully compensated (60 base/195 scaling → 75/136), slightly improving its KO potential.}}
**{{change|All hitboxes are positioned farther upward (Y offset: 16/18/13 → 18/20/15 (looping), 19u/13u 23u/17u (final)). This improves its vertical range, but causes it to have a blindspot and makes it harder to hit opponents on the ground.}}
**{{change|All hitboxes are positioned farther upward (Y offset: 16/18/13 → 18/20/15 (looping), 19/13 23/17 (final)). This improves its vertical range, but causes it to have a blindspot and makes it harder to hit opponents on the ground.}}
*[[Down tilt]]:
*[[Down tilt]]:
**{{buff|Down tilt has a longer hitbox duration (frames 14-24 → 14-27), making it even more effective for [[2 frame punish]]es.}}
**{{buff|Down tilt has a longer hitbox duration (frames 14-24 → 14-27), making it even more effective for [[2 frame punish]]es.}}
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**{{buff|In addition to the hitboxes attached to the staff, there are now static hitboxes, improving its range and making it less strict to the staff's spinning animation.}}
**{{buff|In addition to the hitboxes attached to the staff, there are now static hitboxes, improving its range and making it less strict to the staff's spinning animation.}}
*[[Dash attack]]:
*[[Dash attack]]:
**{{buff|Dash attack has significantly less ending lag (FAF 52 41).}}
**{{nerf|Palutena gains [[invincibility]] later and with less coverage (frames 4-15 (head/torso/both arms) frames 5-6 (head/torso), 5-16 (left arm)).}}
**{{buff|It deals more damage (9% → 11% (clean), 5% → 7% (late)), although with its knockback fully compensated (70 base/90 scaling → 71/76 (clean), 60/70 → 61/56 (late)).}}
**{{buff|It deals more damage (9% → 11% (clean), 5% → 7% (late)), although with its knockback fully compensated (70 base/90 scaling → 71/76 (clean), 60/70 → 61/56 (late)).}}
**{{nerf|Its [[invincibility]] starts one frame later with its duration compensated (frames 4-15 → 5-16), increasing her vulnerability during the move's startup. However, this leaves only the final active frame without invincibility, instead of the last two.}}
**{{nerf|Adding to this, its invincibility has been noticeably worsened as Palutena's entire upper body is now only invincible for the first 2 frames instead of 11. After the first two frames (5-6), only her left arm remains invincible (frames 7-16).}}
**{{change|It causes Palutena's shield to glow, indicating its hitbox.}}
**{{change|It causes Palutena's shield to glow, indicating its hitbox.}}
**{{buff|Dash attack has significantly less ending lag (FAF 52 → 41).}}
*[[Forward smash]]:
*[[Forward smash]]:
**{{buff|Forward smash has less ending lag (FAF 67 → 64).}}
**{{buff|The hitboxes have a longer duration (frame 18-19 → 18-20), with the windboxes having a shorter duration instead (frames 20-31 → 21-31).}}
**{{buff|The hitboxes have a longer duration (frame 18-19 → 18-20), with the windboxes having a shorter duration instead (frames 20-31 → 21-31).}}
**{{buff|The hitboxes have slightly more knockback scaling (97/96 (clean/late) → 100/102), while the windboxes have more set knockback (40/26 (clean/late) → 60/35), improving the move's KO and gimping potential.}}
**{{buff|The hitboxes have slightly more knockback scaling (97/96 (clean/late) → 100/102), while the windboxes have more set knockback (40/26 (clean/late) → 60/35), improving the move's KO and gimping potential.}}
**{{buff|Forward smash has less ending lag (FAF 67 → 64).}}
*[[Up smash]]:
*[[Up smash]]:
**{{buff|Up smash has less ending lag (FAF 68 → 64).}}
**{{buff|It has a longer hitbox duration (frames 18-26 → 18-29) and a new late hit (frames 30-35), now lasting twice as long as before. This improves its ability to punish dodges and landings.}}
**{{buff|It has a longer hitbox duration (frames 18-26 → 18-29) with a new late hit (frames 30-35), now lasting twice as long as before. This allows it to punish dodges and landings much more efficiently.}}
**{{buff|The mid and high hitboxes deal more knockback (55 base/85 scaling → 58/89 (mid), 55/87 → 62/92 (high)) and are larger (2.5u → 2.8u).}}
**{{buff|The mid and high hitboxes deal more knockback (55 base/85 scaling → 58/89 (mid), 55/87 → 62/92 (high)) and are larger (2.5u → 2.8u).}}
**{{change|It uses a {{b|magic|effect}} effect instead of a [[normal]] one.}}
**{{change|It uses a {{b|magic|effect}} effect instead of a [[normal]] one.}}
**{{buff|Up smash has less ending lag (FAF 68 → 64).}}
*[[Down smash]]:
*[[Down smash]]:
**{{buff|Down smash has less ending lag (FAF 72 → 69).}}
**{{buff|The clean hit has more base knockback (40 → 52), improving its KO potential.}}
**{{buff|The sweetspot has more base knockback (40 → 52), improving its KO potential.}}
**{{buff|Its hitboxes are larger (2.5u → 3.7u (clean), 4u → 6u (late), 8u → 9u (windboxes)). The clean hit extends marginally farther (z-offset 7 to -7 → 7.3 to -7.3).}}
**{{buff|Its hitboxes are larger (2.5u → 3.7u (clean), 4u → 6u (late), 8u → 9u (windboxes)). The clean hit extends marginally farther (z-offset 7 to -7 → 7.3 to -7.3).}}
**{{change|The clean hit is positioned marginally higher (y-offset 9 → 9.2). The late hits are positioned lower (y-offset 6u/6u (late/windbox) → 4/4), improving their ability to hit below ledge.}}
**{{change|The clean hit is positioned marginally higher (y-offset 9 → 9.2). The late hits are positioned lower (y-offset 6/6 (late/windbox) → 4/4), improving their ability to hit below ledge.}}
**{{buff|The windbox has more horizontal range (Z offset: 22u → 24u), more set knockback (30 → 55) and a longer duration (frames 20-27 → 20-29), making them more effective for disrupting opponents.}}
**{{buff|The windbox has more horizontal range (Z offset: 22u → 24u), more set knockback (30 → 55) and a longer duration (frames 20-27 → 20-29), making them more effective for disrupting opponents.}}
**{{change|The clean hit has a higher hitlag multiplier (1× → 1.4×), while the late hit has a lower multiplier (1× → 0.85×).}}
**{{change|The clean hit has a higher hitlag multiplier (1× → 1.4×), while the late hit has a lower multiplier (1× → 0.85×).}}
**{{buff|Down smash has less ending lag (FAF 72 → 69).}}


===Aerial attacks===
===Aerial attacks===
*{{buff|All aerials have less landing lag (20 frames → 12 (neutral), 12 → 9 (forward), 16 → 10 (back), 24 → 14 (up), 18 → 11 (down).}}
*{{buff|All aerials have less landing lag (20 frames → 12 (neutral), 12 → 9 (forward), 16 → 10 (back), 24 → 14 (up), 18 → 11 (down).}}
*[[Neutral aerial]]:
*[[Neutral aerial]]:
**{{change|The beginning of the animation is slightly different. Palutena now spins her staff by knocking the lower part of it instead of letting it spin on its own.}}
**{{buff|Neutral aerial has lower hitlag multipliers (1× → 0.5× (looping hits), 2× → 1.5× (last hit)), and the looping hits have a faster rehit rate (5 → 4), causing the move to execute noticeably faster.}}
**{{buff|Neutral aerial has lower hitlag multipliers (1× → 0.5× (looping hits), 2× → 1.5× (last hit)), and the looping hits have a faster rehit rate (5 → 4), causing the move to execute noticeably faster.}}
**{{buff|It has larger hitboxes (3.4u → 4.2u (looping hits), 11u → 11.5u (last hit)), improving its utility for approaching.}}
**{{buff|It has larger hitboxes (3.4u → 4.2u (looping hits), 11u → 11.5u (last hit)), improving its utility for approaching.}}
***{{nerf|However, the last hit has a smaller hitbox against aerial opponents (11.5u → 9.8u).}}
***{{nerf|However, the last hit has a smaller hitbox against aerial opponents (11.5u → 9.8u).}}
**{{buff|The looping hits have more set knockback (20 → 65/80 (hit 1, grounded opponents only), 65 (hits 2-6)), which in combination with the move's landing lag allows them to combo into several other moves, including an up aerial at high percents as a KO setup, and to be used for drag-down setups. However, the penultimate hit has a [[hitstun modifier]] of -13 (giving it roughly the same hitstun as the ''Smash 4'' looping hits), so only the first five hits are effective for these purposes.}}
**{{change|The looping hits use different knockback on aerial vs. grounded opponents.}}
***{{buff|On aerial opponents, between frames 5 and 23, the looping hits now have scalable knockback (20 (set)/100 (scaling) 0 (base)/100 (scaling)). At lower percents, this leaves them weaker and negative on hit when landing, but at high percents gives them drag-down potential, with the frame advantage being better the higher Palutena's rage and the lower the opponent's weight.}}
***{{buff|On grounded opponents, between frames 5 and 23, the hitstun is higher due to higher set knockback (20 → 65). The staff's bottom hitbox on frames 5-6 has even higher set knockback (80) and can send lighter opponents into tumble. In combination with the move's reduced landing lag, this allows combos from a single hit on grounded opponents. The follow-ups depend on the opponent's weight, with even up smash being possible in some cases, though up tilt is the most reliable follow-up.}}
***{{change|On frames 24-27, all the looping hits still use set knockback and are effectively unchanged from Smash 4 due to a new hitstun modifier (-13) negating the higher set knockback (20 → 65), leaving them unsuitable for any drag-down or single-hit combos.}}
**{{change|Due to the looping hits' faster rehit rate, the move hits seven times instead of six. However, its damage values have been redistributed (1.7% (hits 1-5) → 1.4% (hits 1-6), 5% → 5.1% (last hit)), leaving its total damage unchanged.}}
**{{buff|The last hit comes out faster (frame 31 → 29).}}
**{{buff|The last hit comes out faster (frame 31 → 29).}}
***{{nerf|However, the move's total duration remains unchanged, increasing its ending lag.}}
***{{nerf|However, the move's total duration remains unchanged, increasing its ending lag.}}
**{{buff|The last hit always sends opponents in the direction Palutena is facing. Combined with her faster dash speed and the move's lower landing lag, this allows it to combo into itself several times at low percents, greatly improving her damage racking ability.}}
**{{buff|The last hit always sends opponents in the direction Palutena is facing. Combined with her faster dash speed and the move's lower landing lag, this allows it to combo into itself several times at low percents, greatly improving her damage racking ability.}}
**{{nerf|The last hit deals less knockback (30 base/180 scaling → 35/155). While this slightly improves its combo potential at low percents, it more drastically hinders its KO potential at high percents.}}
**{{nerf|The last hit deals less knockback (30 base/180 scaling → 35/155). While this improves its combo potential at low percents, it more drastically hinders its KO potential at high percents.}}
**{{change|Due to the looping hits' faster rehit rate, the move hits seven times instead of six. However, its damage values have been redistributed (1.7% (hits 1-5) → 1.4% (hits 1-6), 5% → 5.1% (last hit)), leaving its total damage unchanged.}}
**{{change|The first hit no longer has set knockback against aerial opponents.}}
**{{change|The beginning of the animation is slightly different. Palutena now spins her staff by knocking the lower part of it instead of letting it spin on its own.}}
*[[Forward aerial]]:
*[[Forward aerial]]:
**{{buff|Forward aerial deals more damage (9% → 10%) with no compensation on knockback, improving its KO potential near the edge.}}
**{{buff|Forward aerial deals more damage (9% → 10%) with no compensation on knockback, improving its KO potential near the edge.}}
*[[Back aerial]]:
*[[Back aerial]]:
**{{buff|Back aerial no longer has a sourspot (12%/9% → 12%), and has slightly more knockback scaling (92 → 95), improving its KO potential.}}
**{{nerf|Palutena gains invincibility later, with a shorter duration and with less coverage (frames 3-10 (head/torso/both arms) frame 7 (head/torso), 7-10 (left arm).}}
**{{nerf|It gains invincibility later and for a shorter duration (frames 3-10 → 7-10).}}
**{{nerf|Back aerial's sourspot has been removed, reducing the move's range inside Palutena, though almost negligibly.}}
***{{nerf|Adding to this, the move no longer grants Palutena's upper body invincibility for the entire duration (along with no longer granting any invincibility to her right arm). Instead, Palutena's upper body is only granted invincibility on frame 7 with only her arm and shield gaining invincibility for the remainder of the invincibility duration.}}
**{{buff|It has slightly more knockback scaling (92 → 95), improving its KO potential.}}
**{{change|It causes Palutena's shield to glow, indicating its hitbox.}}
**{{change|It causes Palutena's shield to glow, indicating its hitbox.}}
*[[Up aerial]]:
*[[Up aerial]]:
**{{buff|Up aerial [[auto-cancel]]s significantly earlier (frame 64 42), doing so in a full hop.}}
**{{nerf|The move has more startup, with the looping hits having a shorter duration (frames 8-23 10-22).}}
**{{buff|The looping hits have a lower hitlag multiplier (0.8× → 0.6×) and a faster rehit rate (5 → 3). As a result, the move executes noticeably faster, and hits six times instead of five, increasing its total damage (9% → 10%).}}
**{{buff|The looping hits have a lower hitlag multiplier (0.8× → 0.6×) and a faster rehit rate (5 → 3). As a result, the move executes noticeably faster, and hits six times instead of five, increasing its total damage (9% → 10%).}}
**{{change|The last hit comes out faster (frame 25 → 24). However, this is compensated by the multi-hits of up aerial having a shorter duration meaning the amount of startup remains the same.}}
**{{change|The last hit comes out faster (frame 25 → 24). However, this is compensated by the multi-hits of up aerial having a shorter duration meaning the amount of startup remains the same.}}
***{{nerf|However, the move's total duration remains unchanged, increasing its ending lag.}}
***{{nerf|However, the move's total duration remains unchanged, increasing its ending lag.}}
**{{nerf|The move has more startup, with the looping hits having a shorter duration (frames 8-23 10-22).}}
**{{buff|The side hits of the launching hit send much more vertically (65° → 88°), now having an identical angle to the center hit and removing their vulnerability to LSI. This improves the move's combo and KO potential.}}
**{{buff|Up aerial [[auto-cancel]]s significantly earlier (frame 64 42), doing so in a full hop.}}
*[[Down aerial]]:
*[[Down aerial]]:
**{{buff|Down aerial has a longer hitbox duration (frame 10 → 10-11).}}
**{{buff|Down aerial has a longer hitbox duration (frame 10 → 10-11).}}
**{{buff|It deals more damage (9% → 11%) with no compensation on knockback, making it a stronger [[meteor smash]].}}
**{{buff|It deals more damage (9% → 11%) with no compensation on knockback, making it a stronger [[meteor smash]].}}
**{{buff|The meteor hitbox is slightly larger (4u → 4.2u).}}
**{{buff|The meteor hitbox is slightly larger (4u → 4.2u), with its lower reach compensated (y-stretch -5.2 → -5).}}


===Throws and other attacks===
===Throws and other attacks===
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*[[Down throw]]:
*[[Down throw]]:
**{{nerf|Down throw triggers a hitlag effect on both Palutena and the opponent for 7 frames prior to release, rather than inflicting 5 frames of hitlag on the opponent upon release, and has more knockback scaling (25 → 30). This worsens its combo potential beyond low percents.}}
**{{nerf|Down throw triggers a hitlag effect on both Palutena and the opponent for 7 frames prior to release, rather than inflicting 5 frames of hitlag on the opponent upon release, and has more knockback scaling (25 → 30). This worsens its combo potential beyond low percents.}}
***{{buff|However, it has less ending lag to compensate (FAF 50 → 46), and launches at a slightly higher angle (70° → 73°), which combined with Palutena's faster jumpsquat and jump speed slightly improves its combo potential at low percents nevertheless.}}
***{{buff|However, it has less ending lag to compensate (FAF 50 → 46), and launches at a slightly higher angle (70° → 73°), which combined with Palutena's faster jumpsquat and jump speed slightly improves its combo potential at low percents.}}
*[[Edge attack]]:
*[[Edge attack]]:
**{{buff|Edge attack deals more damage (7% → 9%).}}
**{{buff|Edge attack deals more damage (7% → 9%).}}
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===Special moves===
===Special moves===
*[[Autoreticle]]:
*[[Autoreticle]]:
**{{buff|Autoreticle's shots are faster (frame 29/35/41 → 25/31/37).}}
**{{buff|Autoreticle's shots are generated faster (frame 29/35/41 → 25/31/37).}}
**{{buff|The shots deals more damage (2.9% → 3.5%) and knockback (20 base/42 scaling → 40/41), making them more effective for disrupting approaches.}} The changes now give the move a chance of tripping opponents.
**{{buff|The shots deals more damage (2.9% → 3.5%) and knockback (20 base/42 scaling → 40/41), making them more effective for disrupting approaches.}} The changes now give the move a chance of tripping opponents.
**{{nerf|The shots have received negative [[shield damage]] (0 → -1.7), effectively dealing around half their usual damage to shields.}}
**{{nerf|The shots have received negative [[shield damage]] (0 → -1.7), effectively dealing around half their usual damage to shields.}}
**{{nerf|The changes to locking remove the projectile's situational utility for starting combos.}}
**{{nerf|The changes to locking remove the projectile's situational utility for starting combos.}}
**{{change|Autoreticle's reticle is red instead of green. Additionally, Palutena illuminates her staff's orb with a blue light instead of a yellow one.}}
**{{change|The reticle is red instead of green. Additionally, Palutena illuminates her staff's orb with a blue light instead of a yellow one.}}
*[[Explosive Flame]]:
*[[Explosive Flame]]:
**{{buff|Explosive Flame, previously one of Palutena's custom neutral specials, is now her [[side special]]. Since Reflect Barrier has been merged into her [[down special]], she has effectively gained an additional move. This provides Palutena with another long-ranged attack option.}}
**{{buff|Explosive Flame, previously one of Palutena's custom neutral specials, is now her [[side special]]. Since Reflect Barrier has been merged into her [[down special]], she has effectively gained an additional move. This provides Palutena with another projectile and long-ranged attack option.}}
**{{buff|It has significantly less ending lag (FAF 89 → 72).}}
**{{buff|It can be unleashed at two different distances away from Palutena depending on whether the control stick is tilted or [[tap]]ped, improving its zoning ability.}}
**{{buff|It deals considerably more damage (0.8% → 1.5% (hits 1-6), 4.2% → 5.5% (hit 7); 9% → 14.5% total) without compensation on knockback. This turns it into a much more effective finisher, KOing opponents from ground level at around 135% if all hits connect.}}
**{{buff|It deals considerably more damage (0.8% → 1.5% (hits 1-6), 4.2% → 5.5% (hit 7); 9% → 14.5% total) without compensation on knockback. This turns it into a much more effective finisher, KOing opponents from ground level at around 135% if all hits connect.}}
**{{buff|It can be unleashed at two different distances away from Palutena depending on whether the control stick is tilted or [[tap]]ped, improving its zoning ability.}}
**{{nerf|It has received negative shield damage (0 → -0.7 (hits 1-6), -2.7 (hit 7)), effectively dealing around half its usual damage to shields.}}
**{{buff|The looping hits have a lower SDI multiplier (1× → 0.4×).}}
**{{buff|The looping hits have a lower SDI multiplier (1× → 0.4×).}}
**{{nerf|It has received negative shield damage (0 → -0.7 (hits 1-6), -2.7 (hit 7)), effectively dealing around half its usual damage to shields.}}
**{{nerf|The new knockback speed-up effect worsens the move's ability to connect fully at higher percents.}}
**{{change|The last hit has a higher hitlag multiplier (1× → 1.5×).}}
**{{buff|The last hit has a higher hitlag multiplier (1× → 1.5×), improving its combo potential and safety on shield.}}
**{{buff|It has significantly less ending lag (FAF 89 → 72).}}
*[[Warp]]:
*[[Warp]]:
**{{buff|Warp has one more frame of intangibility (frames 16-31 → 16-32).}}
**{{buff|Warp has one more frame of intangibility (frames 16-31 → 16-32).}}
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**{{buff|The move has less startup with a longer counter window (frames 10-31 → 7-34), less ending lag (FAF 75 → 71), and grants intangibility earlier (frames 10-16 → 6-12).}}
**{{buff|The move has less startup with a longer counter window (frames 10-31 → 7-34), less ending lag (FAF 75 → 71), and grants intangibility earlier (frames 10-16 → 6-12).}}
**{{buff|Upon activation, Counter has significantly less ending lag (FAF 56 → 37), as does Reflect Barrier compared to the previous side special (FAF 56 → 35), and the latter also has immediate startup (frame 8 → 1).}}
**{{buff|Upon activation, Counter has significantly less ending lag (FAF 56 → 37), as does Reflect Barrier compared to the previous side special (FAF 56 → 35), and the latter also has immediate startup (frame 8 → 1).}}
**{{buff|Counter has more base knockback (40/20 → 50/30), with only the sweetspot having less knockback scaling (75 → 70), making it more consistent and improving its KO potential near edges.}}
**{{buff|Counter has more base knockback (40/20 → 50/30), with only the sweetspot having less knockback scaling (75 → 70), making it more consistent and improving its KO potential near the ledge.}}
**{{buff|Projectiles reflected by Reflect Barrier have a much higher damage multiplier (1.17× → 1.4×).}}
**{{buff|Projectiles reflected by Reflect Barrier have a much higher damage multiplier (1.17× → 1.4×).}}
**{{nerf|Reflect Barrier has a shorter duration (frames 9-66 → 1-42), and no longer possesses an offensive hitbox.}}
**{{nerf|Reflect Barrier has a shorter duration (frames 9-66 → 1-42), and no longer possesses an offensive hitbox.}}

Latest revision as of 18:03, July 22, 2024

Aesthetics

  • Change As with all veterans returning from Super Smash Bros. 4, Palutena's model has a more subdued color scheme, now more closely resembling her appearance in Kid Icarus: Uprising. Her chiton and armor feature simple detailing, and her face appears more realistic and expressive.
  • Change Palutena's sidestep now causes a visible warping effect when she disappears.
  • Change Palutena is more emotive as she now smiles consistently rather than frowning.
  • Change Palutena's skirt now has independent physics.
  • Change Palutena's shielding animation is slightly altered.
  • Change The golden doors in Palutena's on-screen appearance now disappear without the transparency effects.

Attributes

  • Buff Like all characters, Palutena's jumpsquat animation takes 3 frames to complete (down from 5).
  • Buff Palutena walks slightly faster (1.21 → 1.271).
  • Buff Palutena runs faster (1.888 → 2.077).
    • Buff Her initial dash speed is much faster (1.5 → 2.035).
  • Buff Palutena's air speed is slightly faster (0.91 → 1).
  • Buff Palutena's max additional air acceleration is higher (0.1 → 0.105).
  • Change Palutena's falling speed and fast falling speed are higher (1.4 → 1.55 and 2.24 → 2.48 respectively).
  • Buff Palutena's gravity is higher (0.105 → 0.12). In combination with her faster falling speed, this improves her vertical mobility, while not affecting her vertical endurance due to gravity no longer affecting vertical knockback between 70 and 110 degrees.
  • Buff Forward roll has less ending lag (FAF 31 → 30).
  • Nerf Forward roll grants less intangibility (frames 4-17 → 4-15).
  • Nerf Back roll has more startup with less intangibility (frames 4-17 → 5-16), and more ending lag (FAF 31 → 35).
  • Buff Spot dodge has less ending lag (FAF 28 → 26).
  • Nerf Spot dodge grants less intangibility (frames 3-18 → 3-17).
  • Buff Air dodge grants more intangibility (frames 3-28 → 3-30).
  • Nerf Air dodge has significantly more ending lag (FAF 34 → 50).
  • Buff Palutena's traction is higher (0.068 → 0.106).

Ground attacks

  • Neutral attack:
    • Change The first hit has an altered animation. Palutena swings her staff downwards instead of jabbing it forward.
    • Buff The first hit and neutral infinite's finisher have less ending lag (FAF 26 → 25 (hit 1), 43 → 40 (finisher)).
    • Buff The first hit transitions into the neutral infinite faster (frame 15 → 11).
    • Buff The first hit has altered angles to keep opponents closer to Palutena (80° → 361°/180°), and has gained a hitstun modifier of 4, allowing it to lock opponents and connect better into the infinite.
    • Buff The infinite has a lower hitlag multiplier (1.2× → 0.5×) and SDI multiplier (1× → 0.4×), a different launch angle to keep grounded opponents closer to Palutena (60°/110° → 361°), and a much larger hitbox (3.5 → 6u). This allows it to connect much more effectively, and rack up more damage overall despite each hit dealing slightly less damage (0.8% → 0.6%).
    • Nerf The first hit has a shorter hitbox duration (frames 8-10 → 8-9).
    • Nerf The first hit deals less knockback (30 base/60 scaling → 25/20 base/20 scaling), removing its guaranteed jab cancel setups from Smash 4, despite its lower ending lag and additional hitstun.
    • Change The first hit has a higher hitlag multiplier (0.5× → 1.6×).
    • Change The infinite has gained a shieldstun multiplier of 7×. This allows it to lock opponents into their shields between each hit, and thus pressure them more effectively, but also allows them to cancel shieldstun and punish Palutena more easily if they shield 10 hits or more.
  • Change Forward tilt and up tilt have flashier motion effects.
  • Forward tilt:
    • Buff Forward tilt has less startup (frame 17, 25 → 14, 24).
    • Buff The move has a shorter hitbox duration by one frame (frames 17-24/25-39 → 14-23/24-35), but has less ending lag (FAF 68 → 60).
    • Buff The first hit no longer has a sourspot (6%/4% → 6%), and the second hit deals higher, consistent damage (6%/4% → 7%), as well as more knockback (43 base/100 scaling → 78/80), increasing its damage as well as making it consistent (8%-12% → 13%), and allowing it to KO at around 130% near the edge.
    • Buff The first hit has different angles and knockback that now also vary depending on the frame on which they hit (48° → 90°/45° (early), 285°/100° (mid), 20°/85° (late)), set knockback (43 base/65 scaling → 25/45 set/100 scaling, 25/40/100, 35/30/100). It is now weight-independent, has a lower hitlag multiplier (1× → 0.8×), and can no longer be SDIed (1× → 0×). These changes allow it to connect much more reliably into the second hit, regardless of the opponent's percent.
    • Buff The lower staff hitbox is larger for the first hit (2.8u → 3u), and both hitboxes are larger for the second hit (4.1u/2.8u (upper/lower) → 4.8u/3.9u).
    • Buff Palutena's right arm is now intangible for the full duration of the hitboxes.
    • Change The second hit launches at a slightly different angle (361° → 40°). Compared to Smash 4, it sends opponents higher at low percents, but sends aerial opponents lower at high percents.
  • Up tilt:
    • Buff Up tilt has less startup lag (frame 10 → 8) and a shorter total duration (FAF 68 → 56).
    • Buff It has lower hitlag multipliers (1× → 0.5× (looping hits), 2× → 1.5× (last hit)), and the looping hits have a faster rehit rate (5 → 3), causing the move to execute noticeably faster.
    • Buff The lower looping hit now has higher priority than the upper hit. The lower looping hit uses an altered angle (366° → 130°) with higher set knockback (30 → 50). This improves its consistency on grounded opponents due to no longer sending away from Palutena (80° → 130°).
    • Nerf The looping portion has a shorter duration (frames 10-38 (looping hits)/40-41 (last hit) → 8-22/24-25). This increases the move's ending lag by four frames, as its total duration was not fully compensated.
      • Buff Despite its faster rehit rate, it hits five times instead of six before the last hit. However, the looping hits deal more damage (1.2% → 1.4%), and alongside the last hit's increased damage, the move's total output is still higher (9.7% → 11.5%).
    • Buff The last hit deals higher, consistent damage (2.5%/1.5% → 4.5%), with knockback not fully compensated (60 base/195 scaling → 75/136), slightly improving its KO potential.
    • Change All hitboxes are positioned farther upward (Y offset: 16/18/13 → 18/20/15 (looping), 19/13 → 23/17 (final)). This improves its vertical range, but causes it to have a blindspot and makes it harder to hit opponents on the ground.
  • Down tilt:
    • Buff Down tilt has a longer hitbox duration (frames 14-24 → 14-27), making it even more effective for 2 frame punishes.
    • Buff It launches grounded opponents at a lower angle (361° → 35°), improving its edgeguarding and KO abilities near the edge. It also launches aerial opponents at a higher angle (70° → 75°), improving its combo potential when used to catch landings and hit ledge-hanging opponents.
    • Buff The aerial hitboxes now have identical size and range with the grounded hitboxes, no longer being smaller.
    • Buff In addition to the hitboxes attached to the staff, there are now static hitboxes, improving its range and making it less strict to the staff's spinning animation.
  • Dash attack:
    • Nerf Palutena gains invincibility later and with less coverage (frames 4-15 (head/torso/both arms) → frames 5-6 (head/torso), 5-16 (left arm)).
    • Buff It deals more damage (9% → 11% (clean), 5% → 7% (late)), although with its knockback fully compensated (70 base/90 scaling → 71/76 (clean), 60/70 → 61/56 (late)).
    • Change It causes Palutena's shield to glow, indicating its hitbox.
    • Buff Dash attack has significantly less ending lag (FAF 52 → 41).
  • Forward smash:
    • Buff The hitboxes have a longer duration (frame 18-19 → 18-20), with the windboxes having a shorter duration instead (frames 20-31 → 21-31).
    • Buff The hitboxes have slightly more knockback scaling (97/96 (clean/late) → 100/102), while the windboxes have more set knockback (40/26 (clean/late) → 60/35), improving the move's KO and gimping potential.
    • Buff Forward smash has less ending lag (FAF 67 → 64).
  • Up smash:
    • Buff It has a longer hitbox duration (frames 18-26 → 18-29) and a new late hit (frames 30-35), now lasting twice as long as before. This improves its ability to punish dodges and landings.
    • Buff The mid and high hitboxes deal more knockback (55 base/85 scaling → 58/89 (mid), 55/87 → 62/92 (high)) and are larger (2.5u → 2.8u).
    • Change It uses a magic effect instead of a normal one.
    • Buff Up smash has less ending lag (FAF 68 → 64).
  • Down smash:
    • Buff The clean hit has more base knockback (40 → 52), improving its KO potential.
    • Buff Its hitboxes are larger (2.5u → 3.7u (clean), 4u → 6u (late), 8u → 9u (windboxes)). The clean hit extends marginally farther (z-offset 7 to -7 → 7.3 to -7.3).
    • Change The clean hit is positioned marginally higher (y-offset 9 → 9.2). The late hits are positioned lower (y-offset 6/6 (late/windbox) → 4/4), improving their ability to hit below ledge.
    • Buff The windbox has more horizontal range (Z offset: 22u → 24u), more set knockback (30 → 55) and a longer duration (frames 20-27 → 20-29), making them more effective for disrupting opponents.
    • Change The clean hit has a higher hitlag multiplier (1× → 1.4×), while the late hit has a lower multiplier (1× → 0.85×).
    • Buff Down smash has less ending lag (FAF 72 → 69).

Aerial attacks

  • Buff All aerials have less landing lag (20 frames → 12 (neutral), 12 → 9 (forward), 16 → 10 (back), 24 → 14 (up), 18 → 11 (down).
  • Neutral aerial:
    • Change The beginning of the animation is slightly different. Palutena now spins her staff by knocking the lower part of it instead of letting it spin on its own.
    • Buff Neutral aerial has lower hitlag multipliers (1× → 0.5× (looping hits), 2× → 1.5× (last hit)), and the looping hits have a faster rehit rate (5 → 4), causing the move to execute noticeably faster.
    • Buff It has larger hitboxes (3.4u → 4.2u (looping hits), 11u → 11.5u (last hit)), improving its utility for approaching.
      • Nerf However, the last hit has a smaller hitbox against aerial opponents (11.5u → 9.8u).
    • Change The looping hits use different knockback on aerial vs. grounded opponents.
      • Buff On aerial opponents, between frames 5 and 23, the looping hits now have scalable knockback (20 (set)/100 (scaling) → 0 (base)/100 (scaling)). At lower percents, this leaves them weaker and negative on hit when landing, but at high percents gives them drag-down potential, with the frame advantage being better the higher Palutena's rage and the lower the opponent's weight.
      • Buff On grounded opponents, between frames 5 and 23, the hitstun is higher due to higher set knockback (20 → 65). The staff's bottom hitbox on frames 5-6 has even higher set knockback (80) and can send lighter opponents into tumble. In combination with the move's reduced landing lag, this allows combos from a single hit on grounded opponents. The follow-ups depend on the opponent's weight, with even up smash being possible in some cases, though up tilt is the most reliable follow-up.
      • Change On frames 24-27, all the looping hits still use set knockback and are effectively unchanged from Smash 4 due to a new hitstun modifier (-13) negating the higher set knockback (20 → 65), leaving them unsuitable for any drag-down or single-hit combos.
    • Change Due to the looping hits' faster rehit rate, the move hits seven times instead of six. However, its damage values have been redistributed (1.7% (hits 1-5) → 1.4% (hits 1-6), 5% → 5.1% (last hit)), leaving its total damage unchanged.
    • Buff The last hit comes out faster (frame 31 → 29).
      • Nerf However, the move's total duration remains unchanged, increasing its ending lag.
    • Buff The last hit always sends opponents in the direction Palutena is facing. Combined with her faster dash speed and the move's lower landing lag, this allows it to combo into itself several times at low percents, greatly improving her damage racking ability.
    • Nerf The last hit deals less knockback (30 base/180 scaling → 35/155). While this improves its combo potential at low percents, it more drastically hinders its KO potential at high percents.
  • Forward aerial:
    • Buff Forward aerial deals more damage (9% → 10%) with no compensation on knockback, improving its KO potential near the edge.
  • Back aerial:
    • Nerf Palutena gains invincibility later, with a shorter duration and with less coverage (frames 3-10 (head/torso/both arms) → frame 7 (head/torso), 7-10 (left arm).
    • Nerf Back aerial's sourspot has been removed, reducing the move's range inside Palutena, though almost negligibly.
    • Buff It has slightly more knockback scaling (92 → 95), improving its KO potential.
    • Change It causes Palutena's shield to glow, indicating its hitbox.
  • Up aerial:
    • Nerf The move has more startup, with the looping hits having a shorter duration (frames 8-23 → 10-22).
    • Buff The looping hits have a lower hitlag multiplier (0.8× → 0.6×) and a faster rehit rate (5 → 3). As a result, the move executes noticeably faster, and hits six times instead of five, increasing its total damage (9% → 10%).
    • Change The last hit comes out faster (frame 25 → 24). However, this is compensated by the multi-hits of up aerial having a shorter duration meaning the amount of startup remains the same.
      • Nerf However, the move's total duration remains unchanged, increasing its ending lag.
    • Buff The side hits of the launching hit send much more vertically (65° → 88°), now having an identical angle to the center hit and removing their vulnerability to LSI. This improves the move's combo and KO potential.
    • Buff Up aerial auto-cancels significantly earlier (frame 64 → 42), doing so in a full hop.
  • Down aerial:
    • Buff Down aerial has a longer hitbox duration (frame 10 → 10-11).
    • Buff It deals more damage (9% → 11%) with no compensation on knockback, making it a stronger meteor smash.
    • Buff The meteor hitbox is slightly larger (4u → 4.2u), with its lower reach compensated (y-stretch -5.2 → -5).

Throws and other attacks

  • Change Palutena's animation when holding a Super Scope or Gust Bellows has been altered, as she now holds the item in a manner similar to a rifle.
  • Grabs:
    • Buff Pivot grab has more range (Z2 offset: -17.4u → -18.9u).
    • Nerf All grabs have more ending lag (FAF 32 → 40 (standing), 40 → 48 (dash), 40 → 43 (pivot)).
    • Nerf Standing and dash grab have less range, especially the former (Z2 offset: 11.4u → 9.4u (standing), 13.7u → 13.1u (dash)).
    • Nerf Dash and pivot grabs have more startup (frame 9 → 10 (dash), 10 → 11 (pivot)).
  • Pummel:
    • Buff Pummel deals more hitlag (5 frames → 14), but has significantly less startup (frame 8 → 1) and ending lag (FAF 23 → 7), shortening its duration.
    • Nerf It deals much less damage (3.1% → 1.3%).
    • Change Palutena pummels the opponent by holding her staff vertically instead of horizontally.
  • Back throw:
    • Buff Due to the Sakurai angle being lower against aerial opponents in Ultimate (45° → 38°), back throw KOs more effectively near edges.
  • Down throw:
    • Nerf Down throw triggers a hitlag effect on both Palutena and the opponent for 7 frames prior to release, rather than inflicting 5 frames of hitlag on the opponent upon release, and has more knockback scaling (25 → 30). This worsens its combo potential beyond low percents.
      • Buff However, it has less ending lag to compensate (FAF 50 → 46), and launches at a slightly higher angle (70° → 73°), which combined with Palutena's faster jumpsquat and jump speed slightly improves its combo potential at low percents.
  • Edge attack:
    • Buff Edge attack deals more damage (7% → 9%).

Special moves

  • Autoreticle:
    • Buff Autoreticle's shots are generated faster (frame 29/35/41 → 25/31/37).
    • Buff The shots deals more damage (2.9% → 3.5%) and knockback (20 base/42 scaling → 40/41), making them more effective for disrupting approaches. The changes now give the move a chance of tripping opponents.
    • Nerf The shots have received negative shield damage (0 → -1.7), effectively dealing around half their usual damage to shields.
    • Nerf The changes to locking remove the projectile's situational utility for starting combos.
    • Change The reticle is red instead of green. Additionally, Palutena illuminates her staff's orb with a blue light instead of a yellow one.
  • Explosive Flame:
    • Buff Explosive Flame, previously one of Palutena's custom neutral specials, is now her side special. Since Reflect Barrier has been merged into her down special, she has effectively gained an additional move. This provides Palutena with another projectile and long-ranged attack option.
    • Buff It can be unleashed at two different distances away from Palutena depending on whether the control stick is tilted or tapped, improving its zoning ability.
    • Buff It deals considerably more damage (0.8% → 1.5% (hits 1-6), 4.2% → 5.5% (hit 7); 9% → 14.5% total) without compensation on knockback. This turns it into a much more effective finisher, KOing opponents from ground level at around 135% if all hits connect.
    • Nerf It has received negative shield damage (0 → -0.7 (hits 1-6), -2.7 (hit 7)), effectively dealing around half its usual damage to shields.
    • Buff The looping hits have a lower SDI multiplier (1× → 0.4×).
    • Nerf The new knockback speed-up effect worsens the move's ability to connect fully at higher percents.
    • Buff The last hit has a higher hitlag multiplier (1× → 1.5×), improving its combo potential and safety on shield.
    • Buff It has significantly less ending lag (FAF 89 → 72).
  • Warp:
    • Buff Warp has one more frame of intangibility (frames 16-31 → 16-32).
    • Change It has a more stylish appearance.
  • Counter and Reflect Barrier:
    • Buff Reflect Barrier has been merged with Counter; By default, Counter activates upon blocking an attack, but if it is a reflectable projectile, Reflect Barrier activates instead, akin to King K. Rool's Gut Check and Joker's Tetrakarn / Makarakarn. This allows her to respond to a larger variety of attacks using only one move, while also freeing up her side special for an additional move.
    • Buff The move has less startup with a longer counter window (frames 10-31 → 7-34), less ending lag (FAF 75 → 71), and grants intangibility earlier (frames 10-16 → 6-12).
    • Buff Upon activation, Counter has significantly less ending lag (FAF 56 → 37), as does Reflect Barrier compared to the previous side special (FAF 56 → 35), and the latter also has immediate startup (frame 8 → 1).
    • Buff Counter has more base knockback (40/20 → 50/30), with only the sweetspot having less knockback scaling (75 → 70), making it more consistent and improving its KO potential near the ledge.
    • Buff Projectiles reflected by Reflect Barrier have a much higher damage multiplier (1.17× → 1.4×).
    • Nerf Reflect Barrier has a shorter duration (frames 9-66 → 1-42), and no longer possesses an offensive hitbox.
    • Nerf Palutena can no longer directly access Reflect Barrier. As a result, she can no longer use its windbox on command to gimp opponents, or deter projectile use with the barrier's longer duration.
    • Change Palutena closes her eyes instead of showing a angry look upon activating the move. Additionally, she no longer shouts "Counter" until she successfully counters a melee attack. Counter also glows blue instead of yellow.
  • Black Hole Laser:
    • Buff Black Hole Laser produces a larger black hole and a wider laser, making the attack harder to avoid.
    • Nerf The final hit has less knockback scaling (135 (trapped)/105 (collateral) → 127/97), reducing its KO potential.