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::What about characters like Kirby? His is trapping AND stage-wide. DK's can become trapping as well as focused and directional. See how confusing it gets? - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 01:26, 21 April 2009 (UTC) | ::What about characters like Kirby? His is trapping AND stage-wide. DK's can become trapping as well as focused and directional. See how confusing it gets? - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 01:26, 21 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::I think you're generalizing a bit. A FS does not become Trapping because it can suck targets in for multiple hits; a Trapping FS is one for which the target is (almost) guarenteed to take every hit once the first one lands. Therefore Konga Beat cannot be considered Trapping. It's also not Directional, since it has no blind spot - yes, the largest part of the attack only works in two directions at a time, but there's no guarentee you're safe at a specific angle. As for Cook Kirby, it can't really be considered Stage-Wide since it can be avoided at a distance. By that logic, Cook Kirby ''could'' be considered Focused, since it attacks everything in a range. However, it fits the description of Trapping better, since the first "hit" determines whether it touches you at all. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] <choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose> 02:42, 21 April 2009 (UTC) | :::I think you're generalizing a bit. A FS does not become Trapping because it can suck targets in for multiple hits; a Trapping FS is one for which the target is (almost) guarenteed to take every hit once the first one lands. Therefore Konga Beat cannot be considered Trapping. It's also not Directional, since it has no blind spot - yes, the largest part of the attack only works in two directions at a time, but there's no guarentee you're safe at a specific angle. As for Cook Kirby, it can't really be considered Stage-Wide since it can be avoided at a distance. By that logic, Cook Kirby ''could'' be considered Focused, since it attacks everything in a range. However, it fits the description of Trapping better, since the first "hit" determines whether it touches you at all. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] <choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose> 02:42, 21 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::Hmm, I sort of see what you mean, but I'd like to hear a lot more people's opinions. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 22:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
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Standard Special still works
Many times I have gotten a smash ball, then quickly hammered the 'B' button to activate it as soon as possible. To my surprise, instead of activating my final smash, my standard special move was used instead. Why does this happen? -Is there a small period of time before you are able to use the final smash? Can you use the standard special move whenever you wish? Does anyone have more information regarding this? -It should be added to the article. Zixor (talk) 17:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
yeah, that happens all the time to me. I think I read about it somewhere on the wiki. linkpwns
This happening is described in the Smash Ball article, so I'm not sure if it needs to be added here. For the record, it happens if your Final Smash is not yet loaded and you press the button. Toomai (talk) 17:19, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Image/table location and wording
It doesn't matter if it's too small necessarily, it gives a general idea, and if somebody's really curious, they can click on it, As for the location, it should be beside the table, other wise it looks strange being on the right side with a blank left margin, so I put in that location at 400px, which is enough to be beside it, and give a general idea of the picture.Smoreking(T) (c) 01:30, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
"types"
I don't particularly like how the FS types are arranged. Why is Konga Beat considered "focused"? I think it would be a better idea to sort them by how much control they have, like this:
| Character | Final Smash | Type |
|---|---|---|
| Bowser | Giga Bowser[1] | Transformation |
| Captain Falcon | Blue Falcon | Aimed |
| Ice Climbers | Iceberg[1] | Automatic |
| Lucario | Aura Storm | Controlled |
And so on. Aimed means it hits in a certain way that needs precise aim: for example, Light Arrow, once you press the button, has no control, but you must have targets in the range. Controlled is when the attack itself works on its own, but requires additional input, like Snake's. Automatic means that you just "fire and forget", such as PK Starstorm. And Transformation would include ROB, the Landmasters, and any other FS where you actually can move the character itself around during the FS. - Gargomon251 (talk) 15:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- That's an interesting idea - your system classifies Final Smashes by what the user has to do, while the current system groups them by how they should be avoided. That's why Konga Beat is Focused - targets can avoid the move by being far enough away. (Yes, "far enough away" may be impossible depending on the stage, but that's not the point.) Personally, I would prefer to keep the current system, as Galaxia Darkness and Mario Finale - which would both be classified as Aimed under your idea - are significantly different in operation and strategy. Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy 16:29, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- What about characters like Kirby? His is trapping AND stage-wide. DK's can become trapping as well as focused and directional. See how confusing it gets? - Gargomon251 (talk) 01:26, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- I think you're generalizing a bit. A FS does not become Trapping because it can suck targets in for multiple hits; a Trapping FS is one for which the target is (almost) guarenteed to take every hit once the first one lands. Therefore Konga Beat cannot be considered Trapping. It's also not Directional, since it has no blind spot - yes, the largest part of the attack only works in two directions at a time, but there's no guarentee you're safe at a specific angle. As for Cook Kirby, it can't really be considered Stage-Wide since it can be avoided at a distance. By that logic, Cook Kirby could be considered Focused, since it attacks everything in a range. However, it fits the description of Trapping better, since the first "hit" determines whether it touches you at all. Toomai Glittershine The Table Designer 02:42, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm, I sort of see what you mean, but I'd like to hear a lot more people's opinions. - Gargomon251 (talk) 22:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- I think you're generalizing a bit. A FS does not become Trapping because it can suck targets in for multiple hits; a Trapping FS is one for which the target is (almost) guarenteed to take every hit once the first one lands. Therefore Konga Beat cannot be considered Trapping. It's also not Directional, since it has no blind spot - yes, the largest part of the attack only works in two directions at a time, but there's no guarentee you're safe at a specific angle. As for Cook Kirby, it can't really be considered Stage-Wide since it can be avoided at a distance. By that logic, Cook Kirby could be considered Focused, since it attacks everything in a range. However, it fits the description of Trapping better, since the first "hit" determines whether it touches you at all. Toomai Glittershine The Table Designer 02:42, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- What about characters like Kirby? His is trapping AND stage-wide. DK's can become trapping as well as focused and directional. See how confusing it gets? - Gargomon251 (talk) 01:26, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
