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April Fools edits

I have an April Fools submission I'd like to send for the "Dependent Universes" section of List of minor third-party universes. This will continue off a gag I did the previous year which was a joke about non-game franchises. I may add more to this once the day comes (if I even remember to add it), but here's a mock-up - it would be added alongside the existing dependent universes in alphabetical order.

• Sam and Friends is an early puppetry television show that aired locally in the Washington DC area between 1955 and 1961. Kermit the Frog debuted in this program.
• The Tracey Ullman Show is a variety sketch show aired on Fox between 1987 and 1990. The Simpson family made their debut in the animated segments of this series.
• Love, American Style is an anthology comedy series that aired between 1969 and 1974. The Fonz debuted in Love and the Television Set, a segment that aired on an episode of this program.
• Wallace & Gromit is an English claymation film series created by Nick Park. Shaun the Sheep made his debut in the third short film of the series, A Close Shave.
• The Intertidal Zone is an unreleased educational comic book illustrated by Stephen Hillenburg in 1984. It was the main inspiration for SpongeBob SquarePants and featured a character named Bob the Sponge, who would later evolve into SpongeBob.
• Linus the Lionhearted is an animated television series aired between 1964 and 1965 that was intended to sell cereal. Sugar Bear debuted in this series
• ITV Digital was a UK television provider between 1998 and 2002. Munkeh was originally created as a mascot for this service, but upon its closure was transfered over to PG Tips, which he represents in Smash.

--What could possibly go wrong? - BubzieBobkat (talk) 00:36, March 24, 2021 (EDT)

Think you got the wrong person. AFD submissions go to Administrators, which SuperSmashTurtles is not. --CanvasK (talk) 00:51, March 24, 2021 (EDT)

Sorry about that, I'll redirect my request now.--What could possibly go wrong? - BubzieBobkat (talk) 02:40, March 24, 2021 (EDT)

April Fool's Conflict

I noticed you want to prank the K. Rool page, but I would also have at least one image I'd like to add onto the page.

Would you be willing to compromise and allow it while not withdrawing your prank at all or should I just take it somewhere else?

TotallyNotAutomated (talk) 21:00, March 31, 2021 (EDT)

That depends on what the image(s) in question is/are, as I plan to replace the origin artworks and spirits of K. Rool with artwork and screenshots of DiC Bowser and his alter-egos. SuperSmashTurtles of the Turtle Tribe 21:04, March 31, 2021 (EDT)

All I want to do is add a gif of the cartoon K. Rool dancing wildly to the gallery on the bottom, which is why I believe our contributions can coexist. TotallyNotAutomated (talk) 21:08, March 31, 2021 (EDT)

I suppose, but he still must be acknowledged as "King Koopa" to fit with the prank. Perhaps the description could be something like "This design is the inspiration for King Koopa's appearance in the Super Smash Bros. series". SuperSmashTurtles of the Turtle Tribe 21:18, March 31, 2021 (EDT)

Well, I have two images. The second one, the one I wasn't planning on using, can serve that suggested purpose. The other, the dancing image, also has Simon in it and I was planning on doing something like "A K. Rool player taunts a Simon player" or something like that. Again, if it conflicts too heavily with your prank, I can move the dancing image to the Simon page instead or something to that effect. TotallyNotAutomated (talk) 21:58, March 31, 2021 (EDT)

Can I ask you some stuff?

Hello, I'm not quite often to edit stuff on this site. I want to make sandboxes like you did, can you tell me how? Also how do you insert pictures to this site? Is there a limit to how many pictures I can add?

Edit: Nevermind, I figured it out.

Edit 2: Hello, sorry to bother again I'm the guy who wrote the spirit battle stages page and I'm kind of disinterested in it. I tried to delete it using instructions from the deletion policy page but it doesn't seem to work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emerald Opera (talk • contribs) 10:03, April 30, 2021 (EDT)

Only admins are able to delete pages. For non-admin users, if there's a page you want deleted immediately, all you have to do is use a "speedy delete" tag (just type in {{d|*insert reasoning here*}}; it's generally preferable to put this tag at the very top of the page) and wait for an admin to delete it.

There's also a standard "delete" tag (same code as the "speedy delete" tag, but replace "d" with "delete"), but that should only be used for pages that likely require a discussion before they can be deleted. SuperSmashTurtles of the Turtle Tribe 06:31, May 1, 2021 (EDT)

It's been 3 days, how long does it take for admins to delete pages anyway?

At this point, it pretty much depends on if the admins feels like deleting all of the unneeded junk.

Also, please remember to sign your comments by ending them with 4 tildes (~). It's also recommended to indent your replies with a colon (:). SuperSmashTurtles of the Turtle Tribe 18:45, May 2, 2021 (EDT)

You know what I think I'm going to continue the page. One big edit at the time, is that ok? By the way, your statistics page is what inspired me to do this.Emerald Opera (talk) 02:39, May 6, 2021 (EDT)

Ah, thanks for your kind words.

Anyway, for my Spirits Statistics page, I tended to only do one series at a time (for example, I would do all the Zelda series spirits in one edit, then the Metroid spirits in another).

Sometimes, I would have to split one series into two separate edits if their spirit battle quantity was simply too large for me to handle in one edit (for example, I split the edits of the Pokémon spirits between the first four generations for the first edit and the remaining generations for the second).

Other times, I would do two (sometimes three) series if one series has a small enough quantity of spirit battles (for example, I did all of the Wii Fit, Punch-Out!!, and Pac-Man spirits in one edit).

So my advice for your sandbox is to only do one series at a time in one edit if you think it's simply too large to do another series in the same edit, but at the same time try to finish as many series as you can if you think you can include them all in one edit. Hope my advice helps. SuperSmashTurtles of the Turtle Tribe 06:21, May 6, 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for the advices, you're free to edit that page too if you spot any mistake like wrong ordering of stages or spirits.Emerald Opera (talk) 06:47, May 6, 2021 (EDT)

Hello, it's me again. I want to ask what are the chance to get probation nowadays because if you have seen recently on my contribution page, I mostly do stuff on my userspace for the last couple of days and just recently I uploaded several images. Since you can only do one at the time, each upload counts as seperated edits and I fear these "rapid fire" edits might effect me somehow.Emerald Opera (talk) 20:24, May 7, 2021 (EDT)

I can't really say anything about the chances of getting probation these days, so I can't help you there.

As for what to do, the only option I can think of is to just take a break from your userspace for a good while and focus mainly on the mainspace from then on out. If you still want to finish your userspace, I'd recommend you only update it every once in a while (like, say, one editing spree every one or two week weeks, or even once a month if you're really worried about receiving probation).

Hope my advice was helpful. SuperSmashTurtles of the Turtle Tribe 20:44, May 7, 2021 (EDT)

Supersmashturtles

What happens to that name 174.55.24.64 23:15, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

I got my username changed cuz I wanted a name that expressed me better, and "The Jacketed Terrapin" seemed unique enough of a name. The Jacketed Terrapin 06:38, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

This

Extremely late, but Robin's was very subtly changed in Smash 4: the slow-mo effects on the Levin Sword were bettered. Conveniently, the edit history for male Robin's version of this victory pose provides a great comparison. Aidan, the Ace Rurouni 13:55, June 21, 2021 (EDT)

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I was wondering why the trivia was claiming Robin had a change when neither page that would document the change even mentions it at all. The Jacketed Terrapin 14:28, June 21, 2021 (EDT)

I mean, there are (aside from Steve's trivia) two other pages that mention it. Aidan, the Nonbinary Rurouni 14:40, June 21, 2021 (EDT)

Not gonna lie, I wasn't even thinking of checking the update history to look for evidence. I just thought the trivia sections of the pages I mentioned in that summary would cover the change. The Jacketed Terrapin 14:58, June 21, 2021 (EDT)

I need help

On your draft, I decided to add Genshin Impact, The text formatting was in a different font and I can't seem to remove it. AgedofallStrings (talk) 00:55, June 22, 2021 (EDT)

Not them but the formatting was caused by the spaces at the very start of the line. When the spaces are there, the wiki interpreter treats it like using <pre></pre> tags. Don't know why it does that, but that is something to keep in mind. --CanvasK (talk) 06:52, June 22, 2021 (EDT)

Digimon

I think Digimon is a third-party franchise that could use some representation. Could you add it to the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.54.195.214 (talk • contribs) 22:50, July 20, 2021 (EDT)

Hey, sorry about the very late reply. I don't know why I took so long to respond to this.

Anyway, my main drawback from adding Digimon to the list is whether the virtual pets (which is where the series got its start) should count or not, since there not considered to be part of the Digimon video game line-up (which started with Digital Monster Ver. S on the Sega Saturn in 1998). The Jacketed Terrapin 11:26, July 22, 2021 (EDT)

ROB didn't originate as a video game character, and he still made it in.

Here's the thing, though: R.O.B., while not appearing in-game, was very clearly marketed as a peripheral intended to be used for two video games on the NES and nothing else. From my understanding, Digital Monster (and its older sibling, Tamagotchi) was marketed less as a video game and more as your standard "toy" than anything (it did come from Bandai, one of the most famous toy companies in the world). The Jacketed Terrapin 01:18, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

About Making a User Page

How do I make a user page? I only got my account yesterday. AkaneiaIsFake (talk) 08:44, August 28, 2021 (EDT)

Musings

Is there a place on this wiki on which we can put our musings? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.36.25.163 (talk • contribs) 20:48, September 7, 2021 (EDT)

Nefarious Neer Do Wells

Just like Black Shadow and Calamity Ganon, where they do not appear on this event spirit board. 136.158.41.220 02:11, September 9, 2021 (EDT)

It's practically guaranteed that not every spirit that would qualify for a spirit event is going to be featured in said event.

The reason I reverted your edit is because there are plenty of spirits that debuted in games released for the GameCube, yet do not show up on that spirit event, and the amount I listed on that edit summary would just make the trivia not noteworthy. There was also no reason to prioritize Aryll and Dragoon specifically. The Jacketed Terrapin 02:23, September 9, 2021 (EDT)

The same thing happened in Cool Blue Summer where Jeff, Megaman.EXE, Tabuu, and Azura did not appear in this event. 136.158.41.220 03:08, September 9, 2021 (EDT)

Once again, not every spirit that qualifies for a spirit event is going to be featured in said event.

Also, talk pages are not for musings and such. The Jacketed Terrapin 03:15, September 9, 2021 (EDT)

Your removal of your ‘no slurs’ rule

I get why you might be concerned about it, but I honestly think it’s quite an important rule to have, especially since it’s also somewhat covered by SW:NPA. I also know that no admin on here would stand for any racial slurs, so you’d be quite safe, really. Black Vulpine of the 🦊Furry Nation🐺. Furries make the internets go! :3 19:27, September 10, 2021 (EDT)

Personal talk page "rules" are just pointless anyway; if it's something that's already covered by wiki policies and will be enforced by admins, it's needless to state so and it's just taking up space on your talk page. If it's something that is not against wiki policy, then the "rules" don't do anything and will just serve as a source of potential inflammation. Omega Tyrant 19:45, September 10, 2021 (EDT)

If you ask me, that "rule" was rather pointless to begin with. Considering SW:NPA exists, it's obvious that slurs and the like are not allowed. I don't see why you believe it's important to have if it already overlaps with an existing wiki policy. Omega Toad, the Toad Warrior. (I'm the best!) 21:28, September 10, 2021 (EDT)

Thank you.

This is in regards to the Event 51 unlock not needing All-Star

I've been playing through a new Melee file for another project I'm working on and I noticed I unlocked Event 51 without unlocking All-Star mode.

I will admit I wasn't sure if it was going to be that straight forward to prove since I had already unlocked the 'All Star Smash Trophy' for someone while I was unlocking Game & Watch (I went the 1000 Vs Battles route).

So I wasn't sure if that trophy was required (which would have explained why people thought All-Star was required)

Anyway thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.100.64 (talk • contribs) 17:37, September 15, 2021 (EDT)

Kingdom hearts

Is that old kingdom hearts sandbox coming back now?174.55.24.64 02:38, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

Highly unlikely, tbh. I already have so many sandboxes as is and the only "ideas" sandboxes I intend to keep for now are my "Updated Chronicle" and "Third-party universes that should be in Smash" pages.

At best, I'll probably just pass it on to another user if they want it. The Jacketed Terrapin 02:43, October 7, 2021 (EDT)

Chronicle listings

Hello! My name's Vivii, and I'm new on this wiki (I started editing today lol); I would like to see if I can have permisson from you to create Chronicle-based listings similar to the ones you made before with different ideas. I'm currently thinking about listings from minor-represented companies and other things.

Vivii is at your service! (userspace ∙ talk me!) 18:30, October 12, 2021 (EDT)

Sure, go ahead, just make sure you contribute to the mainspace (and if you do finish your page, I highly advise you credit me). The Jacketed Terrapin 21:28, October 12, 2021 (EDT)

Thanks! Vivii is at your service! (userspace ∙ talk me!) 08:03, October 13, 2021 (EDT)

This

Went and double checked, and Stop is indeed a Final Fantasy spell, appearing as far back as the first game. Even so, though, I doubt that animation is from Revenant Wings, especially since A. I know for a fact that the animation and effects are from the original Kingdom Hearts, and B. Revenant Wings came out five years after Kingdom Hearts did. Aidan, the Spooky Rurouni 02:23, October 13, 2021 (EDT)

Yes, I was aware that Stop was indeed a Final Fantasy spell. I was referring to Stopga, specifically, since that was the particular spell the section was talking about. The Jacketed Terrapin 02:45, October 13, 2021 (EDT)

Spiky vs Round

Wario, Dedede, and K. Rool have round appearances seen in Wii Fit Trainer's classic mode. The three spiky fighters, Wolf has spiky claws and a spiky blaster, Bowser Jr. has spiky shell, pitchfork, and a drill, and Incineroar has a spiky mane and claws. Pierce Ng (talk) 05:08, October 28, 2021 (EDT)

As I’ve already explained in my edit summary, the “round” fighters for that event tourney are clearly supposed to literally be ball-shaped, not characters who are obese/very pudgy.

Plus, there’s likely only 4 “spiky” fighters in the tourney just so the teams (on the banner, anyway) are equally balanced. The Jacketed Terrapin 12:00, October 28, 2021 (EDT)

Warning other users

Hi, I noticed on this talk page how you been repeatedly warning an IP to use the preview button and being ignored each time. Now it's fine for a regular user to warn others of misconduct, but if the offending user ignores you and continues their misconduct, you should promptly take it to an admin who can actually enforce our policies. Maybe being a little lenient and providing a second warning before going to an admin will be ok, but you shouldn't be warning them beyond that without getting admin intervention; it makes the wiki look toothless if someone can just keep ignoring warnings like that with no repercussions, and it just looks silly to have a talk page full of fruitless warnings. Omega Tyrant 21:38, November 2, 2021 (EDT)

Okay, I'll try to contact an admin next time should a user ignore my warnings. What would be the best way to contact an admin should a case like this happen again? The Jacketed Terrapin 21:55, November 2, 2021 (EDT)

Through Discord will be the fastest method, which is how I noticed it after Vulpine brought it up there. Admin noticeboard is also always an option in the Others section. Omega Tyrant 22:24, November 2, 2021 (EDT)

New Smash updates

This is anon 174, I haven’t been on Smashwiki in a long time. Have there been any Ssbu updates besides the event matches and spirit event things? I’m glad you’re still editing your sandboxes and other articles! 174.55.24.64 22:12, May 24, 2022 (EDT)

I mean, there have been a few repeated Event Tourneys with characters that weren't in the event before (e.g. Heroes Vs. Villains added Sephiroth and Sora) and we did get one more new spirit (i.e. Dark Ryu), but other than that, there hasn't really been anything worth caring about after Sora dropped. The Jacketed Terrapin 22:31, May 24, 2022 (EDT)

Thank you. I missed being on Smashwiki, I do wonder why there are no new did you know facts on the main page however. Maybe some of you top editors can fix that. 174.55.24.64 22:49, May 24, 2022 (EDT)

Disaster Flare

I realized that she is now Amber Blackstar, and she retired Smashwiki, so what will come of Her fighter movie appearances sandbox? Perhaps, it can be free to edit now. Mile’s retired too I think, and his sandbox is now an official page, all because, ironically enough, of an update I made on October 2018 when I first joined Smashwiki. I guess her sandbox will now be an official page too in honor of her retirement. 174.55.24.64 00:03, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

I'm not Terrapin, but I would like to note that neither Amber nor Miles is "retired" from SW; the former merely stepped down from her position as administrator, and they're both just... inactive right now. And on that note, we really have no place to disregard the very clear notice at the top of AB's page that no-one should edit it, regardless of whether she ever becomes active again. Actually, you could just ask her about it directly on the Discord server, she's fairly active there. Sincerely, Ender Reallycool Musk. 00:23, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

Additionally, if you are still curious in Amber's FMA project, she has made a website that compiles everything the Fighter Movie Appearances had, so it's probably best to keep an eye out on that website instead of just editing what is practically a dead page.

Also, now that you're back IP, I would like to remind you to keep casual discussions like these to a minimum. As Ender just stated, there is a Discord server if you wanna have casual chats with the community, so I'd go there rather than just take your musings to others' talk pages (I will remind you, though, that I don't participate in any of the conversations there and still don't plan to anytime soon).

I'd advise you to only add any new discussions here if you need some help, want to give me advice, or have an issue with an edit I made. The Jacketed Terrapin 00:33, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

That cool page still seems a bit incomplete and the Sonic movie 2 already came out (also, Ugly Sonic was a cameo in Chip N Dale, never thought I’d say something like that ever) and the Chris Pratt Movie will come out next year. But, maybe you could remind her whenever she gets on Discord. I don’t have one myself however. 174.55.24.64 01:45, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

List of Pokémon trivia

Somehow, I think some of the stuff, like the Popplio edit that got removed, the Eeveelution and Mega trivia, maybe the all members of an evolution family trivia could’ve stayed, but I guess too many evolution families appeared in smash and, of course, there will always be new starters, even though it’s true that Popplio is the only non-gen 9 starter line not in Smash, which goes to show how popular Rowlet and Litten are in comparison. I think maybe some more trivia should be added, so that’s why I messaged you. 174.55.24.64 18:24, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

Blocked forever

This is anon 174. I got blocked forever by media wiki on my main account. Can you tell me why is that if you know and can you unblock my main account because I am not a sock puppet account? 174.240.209.198 22:23, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

SmashWiki is not for off-wiki business. SmashWiki uses MediaWiki's software, it is not affiliated with MediaWiki nor its editing policies. You will want to bring that up with people on MediaWiki itself. --CanvasK (talk) 22:34, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

Update:It seems to be a glitch. I’m glad this was fixed and my account was saved! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.55.24.64 (talk • contribs) 22:49, May 25, 2022 (EDT)

Shellder

Does Slowbro’s tail count as a Shellder or not, because if so, then that means Shellder cameoed in the melee intro, but not actual Shellder, only the Slowbro one. I’m not sure if it counts as a cameo though. 174.55.24.64 19:16, May 26, 2022 (EDT)

Autopicked names

If Groim referring to Death can be added, why can’t Vamp for Dracula, Toxic for the Pokémon attack, Water for the Pokémon type, and why can’t Sakurai be mentioned as the creator of the Kirby universe? 174.55.24.64 21:53, May 27, 2022 (EDT)

Since the latter half is about my removal (which should have been brought up on my talk page which I assume you didn't check back on): Toxic could be any number of things; same with Water which is found in many games like Zelda, Kirby, Pokémon, Smash, etc.; while true it doesn't matter as this is a Smash-centric thing, we don't need to mention Kirby, Meteos, or Kid Icarus either. --CanvasK (talk) 22:02, May 27, 2022 (EDT)

Two 174s

I’m realizing that there is another anon 174 on this wiki, but it isn’t me because that anon edits a lot of melee articles and I don’t. That anon has a 21 after 174 but I don’t. 174.55.24.64 19:13, May 28, 2022 (EDT)

Seel the Seal

Me and CanvasK are discussing about if Seel belongs in the Seal (disambiguation) page and he disagrees because he thinks Seel is a sea lion, yet I think, like most Pokémon, Seel is a mix between a seal and a sea lion, plus it’s English name is based on seal, so I think it might count. Also, I’m pretty sure we’ll have to go by what Bulbapedia says what Seel is based on, but Bulbapedia doesn’t work now. 174.55.24.64 20:54, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

I don't really have anything to say about the Seel situation, but I will say this:

Don't bring your conflicts to an uninvolved party. The Seel discussion was only between you and Canvas, yet you also decided to bring up the situation to my talk page despite me not having anything to do with it, and all you're basically doing is pointlessly pinging me about something that was out of my range (don't know a better word to use).

So please, I implore you to heavily refrain from doing this. The Jacketed Terrapin 22:31, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

I just seeing what you’d think about this situation because you know a lot about Pokémon and there was no discussion on the Seal page and I can’t create one because I don’t have a named account, but I realized without Bulbapedia’s assistance that Seel seems to be more like a seal then a sea lion anyways, plus comparing seals to sea lions is like comparing alligators to crocodiles, and this is more like a Bulbapedia discussion then a Smash discussion. 174.55.24.64 22:59, May 31, 2022 (EDT)

Red and Green vs Red and Blue

Why does SmashWiki always call the first Pokémon games by their Japanese name instead of their English name? The only difference is that Venusaur is on the Green front cover instead of Blastoise. 174.55.24.64 18:00, June 3, 2022 (EDT)

It's a little more complicated than you might think. You see, Red & Blue is actually a combination of both Red & Green AND solo Blue, using the available Pokémon from the former and the graphics from the latter. It isn't as drastic as, say, Doubutsu no Mori+ to Animal Crossing: Population Growing (and to a lesser extent, Mother 1 to EarthBound Beginnings), but the differences are apparently enough for Bulbapedia to count them as separate games (and thus, have separate pages for them), hence why SmashWiki also counts them as separate games. The Jacketed Terrapin 18:43, June 3, 2022 (EDT)

Other or Unknown Role

64 Please list other or unknown voice actors of Melee Brawl for in the list of voice actors. Please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yousei0718 (talk • contribs) 17:59, June 7, 2022 (EDT)

Im not Terrapin, but I don’t know what you are saying , you unsigned, and I think what you said is spam because you seem to edit the List of voice actors page only. 174.55.24.64 19:56, June 7, 2022 (EDT)