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(Characters have a speed cap, but not a universal one for some reason. I couldn't find anything in the param spreadsheet that lined up with my numbers and it can't be an animation length issue because Palu>>Mythra>Sonic for anim frames but Mythra>Sonic>>>Palu in testing (maybe there are special frames that can't be squeezed out or the values are hidden somewhere else). This is the answer to PKBeats video of Palu walking faster than running (don't have walking numbers yet))
 
(Finished testing walk speeds. Little Mac was done dirty. Same with Palutena but in a different way)
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Measured on [[Mario Bros.]] by counting the number of frames it takes to loop around. Mario Bros. loops fighters that come within 25u of a blast line. Blast lines are at x=±200u, therefore 400u wide, -25u from both results in 350u. 350u is divided by frames to give speed in u/f. Size verified with Mii Gunner's walk (1u/f) which took 350f to loop.
Measured on [[Mario Bros.]] by counting the number of frames it takes to loop around. Mario Bros. loops fighters that come within 25u of a blast line. Blast lines are at x=±200u, therefore 400u wide, -25u from both results in 350u. 350u is divided by frames to give speed in u/f. Size verified with Mii Gunner's walk (1u/f) which took 350f to loop.


Spirit team used: Primary Weight ↓ (Cat Peach, 1.4), Ninja style (1.6), 1×Trade-Off Speed ↑ (1.4), 2×Undamaged Speed ↑ (2.0). This team gives a dash speed multiplier of 6.272 (the highest currently possible). Maxim Tomatoes and Heart Containers were used to remove the Trade-Off Speed's damage and activate the Undamaged Speeds. If the 6.272 multiplier was reached, a Bunny Hood (2.0) was used to try to push it further.
Spirit team used: Primary Weight ↓ (Cat Peach, 1.4), Ninja style (1.6), 1×Trade-Off Speed ↑ (1.4), 2×Undamaged Speed ↑ (2.0). This team gives a run speed multiplier of 6.272 (the highest currently possible). Maxim Tomatoes and Heart Containers were used to remove the Trade-Off Speed's damage and activate the Undamaged Speeds. If the 6.272 multiplier was reached, a Bunny Hood (2.0) was used to try to push it further.


Fighter buffs, such as Monado Arts, Limit, Deep Breathing, etc. were tested. These hit the same limit as without them and as such were omitted from the list. A slower spirit team could use them to reach the limit, but with this team it is unnecessary.
Fighter buffs, such as Monado Arts, Limit, Deep Breathing, etc. were tested. These hit the same limit as without them and as such were omitted from the list. A slower spirit team could use them to reach the limit, but with this team it is unnecessary.


If a fighter hits their limit, they can still win out in a pushing match against someone with a lower speed. For example, Palutena's limit is slower than Sonic's unmodified max dash speed, letting him win in a race. If they run into each other, Palutena wins as she has excess speed past the limit (in another way, if the speed is 8 and the limit is 4, but there is a counter force of 2, 8-2=6 which is still limited to 4 and the counter force loses as 4>2). Using this to test is tricky as these speeds can exceed a lot of fighters jostle force, which is also reduced by 20% due to the Weight ↓ making it even easier to surpass.
If a fighter hits their limit, they can still win out in a pushing match against someone with a lower speed. For example, Palutena's limit is slower than Sonic's unmodified max run speed, letting him win in a race. If they run into each other, Palutena wins as she has excess speed past the limit (in another way, if the speed is 8 and the limit is 4, but there is a counter force of 2, 8-2=6 which is still limited to 4 and the counter force loses as 4>2). Using this to test is tricky as these speeds can exceed a lot of fighter's jostle force, which is also reduced by 20% due to the Weight ↓ making it even easier to surpass.


{|class="wikitable sortable"
Palutena is the only fighter whose walk limit is over their run limit. Duck Hunt and Steve have equal walk and run limits.
!Rank!!Name!!Normal<br>max dash!!Approx.<br>max dash!!Approx.<br>max multiplier
 
{|class="wikitable sortable" style="display:inline-table;"
!Rank!!Name!!Normal<br>max run!!Approx.<br>max run!!Approx.<br>max multiplier
|-
|-
|1||Pyra||1.38||12.069||8.7456
|1||Pyra||1.38||12.069||8.7456
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|-
|89||Palutena||2.077||3.7634||1.812
|89||Palutena||2.077||3.7634||1.812
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" style="display:inline-table;"
!Rank!!Name!!Normal<br>max walk!!Approx.<br>max walk!!Approx.<br>max multiplier
|-
|1||Sonic||1.444||8.3333||5.771
|-
|2||Young Link||1.26||7.7778||6.1728
|-
|3||Fox||1.523||7.4468||4.8896
|-
|4||Falco||1.344||7||5.2083
|-
|4||Zero Suit Samus||1.47||7||4.7619
|-
|6||Pac-Man||1.097||6.8627||6.2559
|-
|6||Mii Swordfighter||1.07||6.8627||6.4138
|-
|6||Mii Gunner||1||6.8627||6.8627
|-
|9||Donkey Kong||1.365||6.7308||4.931
|-
|10||Marth||1.575||6.6038||4.1929
|-
|10||Lucina||1.575||6.6038||4.1929
|-
|12||Sheik||1.47||6.4815||4.4092
|-
|13||Diddy Kong||1.313||6.25||4.7601
|-
|13||Joker||1.12||6.25||5.5804
|-
|15||Pichu||1.302||6.1404||4.7161
|-
|15||Mii Brawler||1.26||6.1404||4.8733
|-
|17||Link||1.247||6.0345||4.8392
|-
|17||Meta Knight||1.239||6.0345||4.8704
|-
|17||Squirtle||1.281||6.0345||4.7108
|-
|17||Wolf||1.208||6.0345||4.9954
|-
|21||Pikachu||1.302||5.9322||4.5562
|-
|21||Pit||1.259||5.9322||4.7118
|-
|21||Dark Pit||1.259||5.9322||4.7118
|-
|24||Mario||1.155||5.8333||5.0505
|-
|24||Duck Hunt||1.213||5.8333||4.809
|-
|26||Dr. Mario||0.917301||5.7377||6.255
|-
|26||Roy||1.208||5.7377||4.7498
|-
|26||Chrom||1.208||5.7377||4.7498
|-
|26||Palutena||1.271||5.7377||4.5143
|-
|26||Hero||0.98||5.7377||5.8548
|-
|31||Corrin||1.208||5.5556||4.599
|-
|31||Ridley||1.1||5.5556||5.0505
|-
|33||R.O.B.||1.178||5.4688||4.6424
|-
|33||Banjo & Kazooie||1.06||5.4688||5.1592
|-
|35||Yoshi||1.208||5.3846||4.4575
|-
|35||Luigi||1.134||5.3846||4.7483
|-
|35||Mr. Game & Watch||1.18||5.3846||4.5632
|-
|35||Rosalina & Luma||1.138||5.3846||4.7316
|-
|35||Inkling||1.134||5.3846||4.7483
|-
|40||Dark Samus||1.115||5.303||4.7561
|-
|41||Ivysaur||1.103||5.2239||4.7361
|-
|41||Lucario||1.103||5.2239||4.7361
|-
|43||Villager||1.092||5.1471||4.7134
|-
|44||Mewtwo||1.26||5.0725||4.0258
|-
|44||Isabelle||1.14||5.0725||4.4495
|-
|44||Byleth||0.78||5.0725||6.5032
|-
|44||Sora||0.82||5.0725||6.1859
|-
|48||Samus||1.115||5||4.4843
|-
|48||Bowser||0.901||5||5.5494
|-
|50||Ice Climbers (leader)||1.008||4.8611||4.8225
|-
|50||Zelda||0.914||4.8611||5.3185
|-
|52||Charizard||1.187||4.7945||4.0392
|-
|53||Jigglypuff||0.735||4.7297||6.435
|-
|53||Mythra||1.42||4.7297||3.3308
|-
|55||Ike||0.912||4.6667||5.117
|-
|55||Steve||0.85||4.6667||5.4902
|-
|55||Pyra||0.92||4.6667||5.0725
|-
|58||Kirby||0.977||4.5455||4.6525
|-
|58||Sephiroth||0.9||4.5455||5.0505
|-
|60||Lucas||0.893||4.4872||5.0248
|-
|60||King Dedede||1.029||4.4872||4.3607
|-
|60||Cloud||1.155||4.4872||3.885
|-
|63||Snake||0.882||4.4304||5.0231
|-
|64||Captain Falcon||0.987||4.375||4.4326
|-
|64||King K. Rool||0.903||4.375||4.845
|-
|66||Ness||0.907||4.321||4.764
|-
|66||Peach||0.924||4.321||4.6764
|-
|66||Daisy||0.924||4.321||4.6764
|-
|66||Greninja||1.502||4.321||2.8768
|-
|70||Wario||0.889||4.2683||4.8012
|-
|70||Olimar||0.945||4.2683||4.5167
|-
|72||Mega Man||1.132||4.1667||3.6808
|-
|73||Bayonetta||0.945||4.1176||4.3573
|-
|74||Shulk||1.155||4.0698||3.5236
|-
|75||Wii Fit Trainer||1.224||4.023||3.2868
|-
|76||Ryu||0.75||3.9773||5.303
|-
|76||Ken||0.825||3.9773||4.8209
|-
|78||Terry||0.85||3.8889||4.5752
|-
|79||Piranha Plant||0.76||3.8043||5.0057
|-
|80||Toon Link||1.288||3.7634||2.9219
|-
|80||Simon||0.76||3.7634||4.9519
|-
|80||Richter||0.76||3.7634||4.9519
|-
|83||Ganondorf||0.767||3.5354||4.6093
|-
|83||Min Min||1.05||3.5354||3.367
|-
|85||Kazuya||0.66||3.4653||5.2505
|-
|86||Bowser Jr.||0.924||2.9167||3.1566
|-
|87||Incineroar||0.62||2.7559||4.445
|-
|88||Robin||0.936||2.7132||2.8987
|-
|89||Little Mac||1.386||1.8717||1.3504
|}
|}

Revision as of 09:06, December 5, 2021

Measured on Mario Bros. by counting the number of frames it takes to loop around. Mario Bros. loops fighters that come within 25u of a blast line. Blast lines are at x=±200u, therefore 400u wide, -25u from both results in 350u. 350u is divided by frames to give speed in u/f. Size verified with Mii Gunner's walk (1u/f) which took 350f to loop.

Spirit team used: Primary Weight ↓ (Cat Peach, 1.4), Ninja style (1.6), 1×Trade-Off Speed ↑ (1.4), 2×Undamaged Speed ↑ (2.0). This team gives a run speed multiplier of 6.272 (the highest currently possible). Maxim Tomatoes and Heart Containers were used to remove the Trade-Off Speed's damage and activate the Undamaged Speeds. If the 6.272 multiplier was reached, a Bunny Hood (2.0) was used to try to push it further.

Fighter buffs, such as Monado Arts, Limit, Deep Breathing, etc. were tested. These hit the same limit as without them and as such were omitted from the list. A slower spirit team could use them to reach the limit, but with this team it is unnecessary.

If a fighter hits their limit, they can still win out in a pushing match against someone with a lower speed. For example, Palutena's limit is slower than Sonic's unmodified max run speed, letting him win in a race. If they run into each other, Palutena wins as she has excess speed past the limit (in another way, if the speed is 8 and the limit is 4, but there is a counter force of 2, 8-2=6 which is still limited to 4 and the counter force loses as 4>2). Using this to test is tricky as these speeds can exceed a lot of fighter's jostle force, which is also reduced by 20% due to the Weight ↓ making it even easier to surpass.

Palutena is the only fighter whose walk limit is over their run limit. Duck Hunt and Steve have equal walk and run limits.

Rank Name Normal
max run		 Approx.
max run		 Approx.
max multiplier
1 Pyra 1.38 12.069 8.7456
1 Mythra 2.41 12.069 5.0079
3 Terry 1.72 11.6667 6.7829
4 Captain Falcon 2.552 11.2903 4.4241
4 Zero Suit Samus 2.31 11.2903 4.8876
4 Sonic 3.85 11.2903 2.9326
4 Little Mac 2.464 11.2903 4.5821
8 Ridley 2.2 10.9375 4.9716
8 Joker 2.06 10.9375 5.3095
8 Sora 1.58 10.9375 6.9225
11 Yoshi 2.046 10.2941 5.0313
11 Fox 2.402 10.2941 4.2856
11 Greninja 2.288 10.2941 4.4992
11 Mii Brawler 1.92 10.2941 5.3615
15 Sheik 2.42 9.4595 3.9089
15 Zelda 1.43 9.4595 6.615
17 Mario 1.76 9.2105 5.2333
17 Pikachu 2.039 9.2105 4.5172
17 Dr. Mario 1.397792 9.2105 6.5893
17 Meta Knight 2.09 9.2105 4.407
17 Sephiroth 1.86 9.2105 4.9519
22 Young Link 1.749 8.75 5.0029
22 Corrin 1.595 8.75 5.4859
22 Inkling 1.925 8.75 4.5455
22 Hero 1.84 8.75 4.7554
26 Pichu 1.892 8.5366 4.5119
26 Diddy Kong 2.006 8.5366 4.2555
28 Wolf 1.54 8.3333 5.4113
29 Donkey Kong 1.873 8.1395 4.3457
29 Roy 2.145 8.1395 3.7947
29 Chrom 2.145 8.1395 3.7947
29 Charizard 2.2 8.1395 3.6998
29 Rosalina & Luma 1.795 8.1395 4.5346
34 Kirby 1.727 7.9545 4.606
34 Marth 1.964 7.9545 4.0502
34 Lucina 1.964 7.9545 4.0502
34 Pit 1.828 7.9545 4.3515
34 Dark Pit 1.828 7.9545 4.3515
34 Cloud 2.167 7.9545 3.6708
34 Bayonetta 1.76 7.9545 4.5196
41 Lucario 1.705 7.7778 4.5617
41 Byleth 1.43 7.7778 5.439
41 Mii Swordfighter 1.58 7.7778 4.9226
44 Pac-Man 1.672 7.6087 4.5507
45 Falco 1.619 7.4468 4.5996
45 Mr. Game & Watch 1.679 7.4468 4.4353
45 Ike 1.507 7.4468 4.9415
45 Squirtle 1.76 7.4468 4.2311
45 Piranha Plant 1.72 7.4468 4.3295
45 Mii Gunner 1.37 7.4468 5.4356
51 Ness 1.609 7.2917 4.5318
51 Snake 1.595 7.2917 4.5716
51 Lucas 1.65 7.2917 4.4192
54 Samus 1.654 7.1429 4.3185
54 Dark Samus 1.654 7.1429 4.3185
54 Ivysaur 1.595 7.1429 4.4783
54 Min Min 1.55 7.1429 4.6083
58 Jigglypuff 1.271 7 5.5075
59 Ice Climbers (leader) 1.53 6.8627 4.4855
59 Mega Man 1.602 6.8627 4.2839
59 King K. Rool 1.485 6.8627 4.6214
62 King Dedede 1.496 6.6038 4.4143
62 Olimar 1.617 6.6038 4.084
62 Kazuya 1.55 6.6038 4.2605
65 Link 1.534 6.4815 4.2252
65 R.O.B. 1.725 6.4815 3.7574
65 Incineroar 1.18 6.4815 5.4928
65 Banjo & Kazooie 2.18 6.4815 2.9732
69 Peach 1.595 6.3636 3.9897
69 Daisy 1.595 6.3636 3.9897
69 Mewtwo 2.255 6.3636 2.822
69 Shulk 1.672 6.3636 3.806
69 Isabelle 1.48 6.3636 4.2998
74 Wario 1.65 6.25 3.7879
74 Villager 1.397 6.25 4.4739
76 Bowser 1.971 5.8333 2.9596
76 Duck Hunt 1.793 5.8333 3.2534
76 Simon 1.52 5.8333 3.8377
76 Richter 1.52 5.8333 3.8377
80 Luigi 1.65 5.7377 3.4774
80 Ganondorf 1.34 5.7377 4.2819
82 Bowser Jr. 1.566 5.6452 3.6048
83 Ryu 1.6 5.5556 3.4722
83 Ken 1.76 5.5556 3.1566
85 Wii Fit Trainer 1.866 5.3846 2.8856
86 Steve 1.45 4.6667 3.2184
87 Robin 1.265 4.1667 3.2938
88 Toon Link 1.906 4.0698 2.1352
89 Palutena 2.077 3.7634 1.812
Rank Name Normal
max walk		 Approx.
max walk		 Approx.
max multiplier
1 Sonic 1.444 8.3333 5.771
2 Young Link 1.26 7.7778 6.1728
3 Fox 1.523 7.4468 4.8896
4 Falco 1.344 7 5.2083
4 Zero Suit Samus 1.47 7 4.7619
6 Pac-Man 1.097 6.8627 6.2559
6 Mii Swordfighter 1.07 6.8627 6.4138
6 Mii Gunner 1 6.8627 6.8627
9 Donkey Kong 1.365 6.7308 4.931
10 Marth 1.575 6.6038 4.1929
10 Lucina 1.575 6.6038 4.1929
12 Sheik 1.47 6.4815 4.4092
13 Diddy Kong 1.313 6.25 4.7601
13 Joker 1.12 6.25 5.5804
15 Pichu 1.302 6.1404 4.7161
15 Mii Brawler 1.26 6.1404 4.8733
17 Link 1.247 6.0345 4.8392
17 Meta Knight 1.239 6.0345 4.8704
17 Squirtle 1.281 6.0345 4.7108
17 Wolf 1.208 6.0345 4.9954
21 Pikachu 1.302 5.9322 4.5562
21 Pit 1.259 5.9322 4.7118
21 Dark Pit 1.259 5.9322 4.7118
24 Mario 1.155 5.8333 5.0505
24 Duck Hunt 1.213 5.8333 4.809
26 Dr. Mario 0.917301 5.7377 6.255
26 Roy 1.208 5.7377 4.7498
26 Chrom 1.208 5.7377 4.7498
26 Palutena 1.271 5.7377 4.5143
26 Hero 0.98 5.7377 5.8548
31 Corrin 1.208 5.5556 4.599
31 Ridley 1.1 5.5556 5.0505
33 R.O.B. 1.178 5.4688 4.6424
33 Banjo & Kazooie 1.06 5.4688 5.1592
35 Yoshi 1.208 5.3846 4.4575
35 Luigi 1.134 5.3846 4.7483
35 Mr. Game & Watch 1.18 5.3846 4.5632
35 Rosalina & Luma 1.138 5.3846 4.7316
35 Inkling 1.134 5.3846 4.7483
40 Dark Samus 1.115 5.303 4.7561
41 Ivysaur 1.103 5.2239 4.7361
41 Lucario 1.103 5.2239 4.7361
43 Villager 1.092 5.1471 4.7134
44 Mewtwo 1.26 5.0725 4.0258
44 Isabelle 1.14 5.0725 4.4495
44 Byleth 0.78 5.0725 6.5032
44 Sora 0.82 5.0725 6.1859
48 Samus 1.115 5 4.4843
48 Bowser 0.901 5 5.5494
50 Ice Climbers (leader) 1.008 4.8611 4.8225
50 Zelda 0.914 4.8611 5.3185
52 Charizard 1.187 4.7945 4.0392
53 Jigglypuff 0.735 4.7297 6.435
53 Mythra 1.42 4.7297 3.3308
55 Ike 0.912 4.6667 5.117
55 Steve 0.85 4.6667 5.4902
55 Pyra 0.92 4.6667 5.0725
58 Kirby 0.977 4.5455 4.6525
58 Sephiroth 0.9 4.5455 5.0505
60 Lucas 0.893 4.4872 5.0248
60 King Dedede 1.029 4.4872 4.3607
60 Cloud 1.155 4.4872 3.885
63 Snake 0.882 4.4304 5.0231
64 Captain Falcon 0.987 4.375 4.4326
64 King K. Rool 0.903 4.375 4.845
66 Ness 0.907 4.321 4.764
66 Peach 0.924 4.321 4.6764
66 Daisy 0.924 4.321 4.6764
66 Greninja 1.502 4.321 2.8768
70 Wario 0.889 4.2683 4.8012
70 Olimar 0.945 4.2683 4.5167
72 Mega Man 1.132 4.1667 3.6808
73 Bayonetta 0.945 4.1176 4.3573
74 Shulk 1.155 4.0698 3.5236
75 Wii Fit Trainer 1.224 4.023 3.2868
76 Ryu 0.75 3.9773 5.303
76 Ken 0.825 3.9773 4.8209
78 Terry 0.85 3.8889 4.5752
79 Piranha Plant 0.76 3.8043 5.0057
80 Toon Link 1.288 3.7634 2.9219
80 Simon 0.76 3.7634 4.9519
80 Richter 0.76 3.7634 4.9519
83 Ganondorf 0.767 3.5354 4.6093
83 Min Min 1.05 3.5354 3.367
85 Kazuya 0.66 3.4653 5.2505
86 Bowser Jr. 0.924 2.9167 3.1566
87 Incineroar 0.62 2.7559 4.445
88 Robin 0.936 2.7132 2.8987
89 Little Mac 1.386 1.8717 1.3504
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