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However, a lot has changed since we started doing this. As brought up in Discord, top players have seen upsets in pools especially for later games such as ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate''. (eg. {{Sm|Charliedaking}}, {{Sm|LeoN}}, and {{Sm|DM}} at {{Trn|Glitch 8.5}}), which means that even if they were to sandbag, they may have an equal chance of losing the set when compared to using their main. We're also at a point in time where the ''Smash'' roster is so huge that mid or low-tier characters do often have legitimate usage, even in top 8 (eg. at {{Trn|BIG LAB: Awakening}}, where Bloom4Eva used Corrin and Jigglypuff to defeat a top 10 UK player in Grand Finals). | However, a lot has changed since we started doing this. As brought up in Discord, top players have seen upsets in pools especially for later games such as ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate''. (eg. {{Sm|Charliedaking}}, {{Sm|LeoN}}, and {{Sm|DM}} at {{Trn|Glitch 8.5}}), which means that even if they were to sandbag, they may have an equal chance of losing the set when compared to using their main. We're also at a point in time where the ''Smash'' roster is so huge that mid or low-tier characters do often have legitimate usage, even in top 8 (eg. at {{Trn|BIG LAB: Awakening}}, where Bloom4Eva used Corrin and Jigglypuff to defeat a top 10 UK player in Grand Finals). | ||
This does not mean we should start adding Mew2King's Pichu to results tables; there's still a huge gap between top player and low-level players in ''Melee''. However, there is an argument that this gap is very likely smaller in the recent titles, so there should be a change to this rule, or at least have it be less strict for the recent titles. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span> | This does not mean we should start adding Mew2King's Pichu to results tables; there's still a huge gap between top player and low-level players in ''Melee''. However, there is an argument that this gap is very likely smaller in the recent titles, so there should be a change to this rule, or at least have it be less strict for the recent titles. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 01:33, September 27, 2021 (EDT) | ||
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Personally I think they should be listed in melee as well. If it contributed to a set win, then it contributed to a set win. If mew2king wanted to get the entire roster on a results table, then that is his prerogative. [[User:Gagesango|Gagesango]] ([[User talk:Gagesango|talk]]) 05:06, September 27, 2021 (EDT) | Personally I think they should be listed in melee as well. If it contributed to a set win, then it contributed to a set win. If mew2king wanted to get the entire roster on a results table, then that is his prerogative. [[User:Gagesango|Gagesango]] ([[User talk:Gagesango|talk]]) 05:06, September 27, 2021 (EDT) | ||
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This discussion is in regards to a proposed change on SmashWiki. The discussion must first meet with a consensus before it is implemented. |
Recently a discussion popped up on Discord regarding the addition/removal of sandbag characters for the results tables. In the past we've been ignoring sandbag characters when top players use them during pools; top players could pull out and win with any character when against a low-level player, making it cheap to say that the character contributed to a player's placement. As a result, characters such as Hungrybox's Ganondorf at CEO 2014 or Mew2King's Pichu were not added to the results table.
However, a lot has changed since we started doing this. As brought up in Discord, top players have seen upsets in pools especially for later games such as Smash 4 and Ultimate. (eg. Charliedaking, LeoN, and DM at Glitch 8.5), which means that even if they were to sandbag, they may have an equal chance of losing the set when compared to using their main. We're also at a point in time where the Smash roster is so huge that mid or low-tier characters do often have legitimate usage, even in top 8 (eg. at BIG LAB: Awakening, where Bloom4Eva used Corrin and Jigglypuff to defeat a top 10 UK player in Grand Finals).
This does not mean we should start adding Mew2King's Pichu to results tables; there's still a huge gap between top player and low-level players in Melee. However, there is an argument that this gap is very likely smaller in the recent titles, so there should be a change to this rule, or at least have it be less strict for the recent titles. Cookies
Creme 01:33, September 27, 2021 (EDT)
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Personally I think they should be listed in melee as well. If it contributed to a set win, then it contributed to a set win. If mew2king wanted to get the entire roster on a results table, then that is his prerogative. Gagesango (talk) 05:06, September 27, 2021 (EDT)
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I'm personally going to wait on this because I am rather neutral on this subject, so I want to see the arguments for this first. CookiesCreme 01:33, September 27, 2021 (EDT)
