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Sephiroth's eighth alt

I think it's supposed to be Aerith. The pants match the color of her jacket, the belts look the same as the ones on her sleeves in FF7 Remake, and the hilt of Masamune is the same color as the Guard Stick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ender78 (talk • contribs) 09:29, 2021 February 3 

It could be, yes, but you know how we feel about 'could bes' here. Black Vulpine of the 🦊Furry Nation🐺. Furries make the internets go! :3 04:40, February 3, 2021 (EST)

A vast majority of the page is based on "could be"s, to be fair, and so having one more reasonable assumption on the page isn't unreasonable. Grapevine (talk) 01:02, February 10, 2021 (EST)

Robin's alts

Robin's Pink might be a reference to Mae, who has a more pink'ish outfit, which fits better Also Robin's White heavily resembles Leif, who has brown hair and a white/red outfit, and happens to use a magic sword (Light Brand) Blue/Red/Green/Yellow might reference all the types of units in Fire Emblem (Playable, Enemy, Other/NPC, Other Enemy (FE4, FE16)/Partner (FE9)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eizzah (talk • contribs) 09:26, February 9, 2021 (EST)

Corrin's 5th alt

If Corrin and Marth have alts listed as resembling the overworld sprites allied and enemy units, is it not just as fitting to describe Corrin's 5th alt as resembling a player unit sprite? Grapevine (talk) 01:05, February 10, 2021 (EST)

Chrom's 8th alt

The color schemes resemble this piece of concept art I found of the FE wiki here. Should we include it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AgedofallStrings (talk • contribs) 17:52, February 26, 2021 (EST)

Pyra/Mythra's alts

Alt 5 is very likely not based on Poppi at all, notably due to Sakurai not listing her as an inspiration despite doing so for all other alts based on specific Xenoblade 2 characters, as well as details in the alt not accurately matching Poppi's design such as the wrongly colored core crystal. I think the note about the alt possibly being based on Poppi should be removed.

Their 6th alt, particularly Pyra's, could be a reference to Xenogears (the "gear" or mech that the game is named after), so "Possibly based on Xenogears from Xenogears" could be added for it. Mythra's coloration here might also be referencing Deus from Xenogears, which would match Pyra's theoretical Xenogears scheme.

Pyra's coloration in alt 7 is possibly based on the Monado, though Mythra's seems to have no connection to that. Either of Mythra's 6th or 7th colors could possibly be based on KOS-MOS from Xenosaga, i'm leaning a bit more towards 6 but I can see an argument for either or even neither. Lastly, it's a bit of a stretch but Mythra's 7th alt could potentially be based on Elly from Xenogears, but I can't say so with any certainty.

In alt 8, Pyra's gold coloration might be based on the Zohar as it appears in Xenosaga, while Mythra's silver could likewise reference the replica Zohar seen in the opening of Xenosaga 1.

Dorotheabestgirl666 (talk) 20:21, March 4, 2021 (EST)

Small correction to the description of Mythra's default alt - the "Massive Melee Mythra" costume is not obtained from the Challenge mode in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - it can be acquired once Mythra joins the party by visiting Argentum and talking to an NPC as per https://xenoblade.fandom.com/wiki/Massive_Melee_Mythra

Doofinc (talk) 16:36, March 8, 2021 (EST)

For the 8th variation, in XC2, I believe Rex describes Pneuma, the combination of Pyra and Mythra, as coffee with milk, and here they have a brown and white tones but I consider this more of a fun fact on the pairing of the colors. DoctaShield (talk) 00:02, May 14, 2021 (EDT)

Shulk's 3rd alt

The Torso Resembles the Colony Type IV torso. AgedofallStrings (talk) 15:48, March 22, 2021 (EDT)

Dead image links

Some of the linked images are dead, like the original Peach sprite in Rosalina's section and Simon's modern appearances in Sound Voltex Booth and Kingdom Dragonion. Can someone with the permission to edit fix them? M-Tails-P (talk) 05:17, March 25, 2021 (EDT)

Ken's 8th alt

I've seen this go back and forth on this alt being inspired by evil ryu, akuma, and violent ken. I personally believe violent ken is the most direct reference, but a consensus needs to be made on that.The Other Jared (talk) 14:50, April 5, 2021 (EDT)

Incineroar alts

I've heard arguments that some incineroar alt costumes are based on real wrestlers. Alt 2 is Mitsuharu Misawa, Alt 4 is Ultimo Dragon, Alt 6 is Rey Mysterio, Alt 7 is Black Tiger, and Alt 8 is Jushin Liger. What do you think?The Other Jared (talk) 14:25, April 6, 2021 (EDT)

Donkey Kong's Yellow Alt

Currently, Donkey Kong's yellow alt is listed as being inspired by his yellow alt in Mario Golf. This is probably completely untrue, and it bears basically an identical resemblance to one of his alternates from DK: King of Swing. --ProtoMania (talk) 00:04, April 12, 2021 (EDT)

Just in case you haven't noticed yet, I went ahead and updated the SSB4 and SSBU pages accordingly. Thanks for pointing this out. --PeabodySam (talk) 20:19, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

Some color names are innaccurate or should change

Something that actually annoys me so much about this article is that despite being a protected page, there are certain characters with their list of colors who look more Pink than Purple and/or vice versa, are Cyan but says Blue, and finally there are some characters who unnecessarily have the word "Default", despite their palette swaps having a noticeably considerable different name for it's skin. I'm gonna list out all character colors which in my point of view, should really change, or at the very least have a slight improvement, since cases such as Bowser aren't that terrible even if it could be better. Without further ado, here is my huge list of SUGGESTIONS that should rename some of the character colors:

Default Bowser: Amber

Pink Corrin: Purple

White Falco: Cyan

Default Fox: White

White Fox: Gray

Green Inkling: Lime or Chatreuse

Blue Isabelle: Cyan

Default Jigglypuff: Pink

Pink Jigglypuff: Magenta or Fuchsia

Gray King Dedede: Brown

Blue Kirby: Cyan (even though Nintendo officially treats it Blue)

White Kirby: Silver or Grey

Default Little Mac: Green

Green Little Mac: Wire-Hoodie

White Lucario: Cyan

Purple Lucas: Pink

Blue Mario: Cyan

Purple Meta Knight: Magenta

Default Mewtwo: Purple

Purple Mewtwo: Slate

Cyan Palutena: Purple

Purple Palutena: Maroon

Default Pikachu: Yellow

Yellow Pikachu: Black

Blue Piranha Plant: Cyan

Default Pit: White

White Pit: Blonde

Default Ridley: Purple

Purple Ridley: Violet

Purple ROB: Pink

Green Ryu: Chatreuse

Blue Samus: Cyan

Purple Sonic: Magenta

Please know that I promise I will be polite upon all users on this wiki even if these suggestions end up getting declined. I just don't get the inconsistency of some characters who look pink (such as ROB) say purple, whereas others that look purple (such as Corrin) say pink. The two colors are not that similar, and even if they are, well I feel really confused about that inconsistency of naming a character's palette swaps from these two look-alike colors. Rosalina is the only playable character in SSBU to lack a Blue outfit whom it accurately says Cyan in their closest-to-blue skin. Pretty sure the Grey-White separations that some characters (such as Ryu and Terry Bogard) have, works well on Fox McCloud, and Pikachu's yellow-ish accessory has black sides on it, removing the necessity to make his normal yellow alt say "Default". Zelda and Roy have two purple skins, and one of them is named "Violet", so I don't see why not do the same thing with Ridley. White Lucario looks very noticeably Cyan in my book, and Mewtwo's deeper skin tone with a much lighter tail could be considered Slate, thus removing the necessity for Mewtwo's default color name. I don't wanna go into too much detail, but I do hope that admins could at least understand why I feel like some things need to change in most lists of SSBU's alternate costume article. Thanks, and have a nice day! Best regards. --NinTOONdo (talk) 17:13 April 17, 2021 (EDT)

Unfortunately with how things are structured, changing the color name would break things because the template uses those names to show the head icons which have the color name in the file name. So changing the color name would mean changing the file name, and that would require a lot of cleanup (thanks spirits) unless a redirect is used. That being said I don't see why we still couple the icons to a color name when they could just be numbered like they are in presentations. --CanvasK (talk) 18:42, April 17, 2021 (EDT)

Because of how this sort of thing is rather subjective (as this and the following section demonstrate), it is generally accepted that once the colours are first named, they should not be renamed unless it can be shown that the original name is blatantly misleading (as opposed to the sorts of smaller changes suggested here). In addition, as the person who names most of them, I make an effort to prefer simpler colour names even if a more complicated one may (subjectively) fit better (e.g. preferring Green over Chartreuse in most cases unless there are two greens). Toomai Glittershine The Aurum 21:32, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

Hi. It's me again (NinTOONdo). Just wanted to clarify that I already read the responses a couple of weeks ago, but the reason I couldn't say anything in time is because school kept me busy. Okay, no problem! I wasn't aware about the files having names back then, so it may have been some sort of misunderstanding from me to protest(ish) about these color names, as I didn't originally know their names on the list had to match what their file says. Again, I apologize for not responding back sooner, life got in the way. With that being said, I officially understand & accept the inaccuracies of those color-names, and with that i'm completely cool now to let slide more design choices of sssbwiki even further now than before, even if I don't entirely agree with them. Greetings, and hava a great day again! :)

Best regards... --NinTOONdo (talk) 13:42 May 16, 2021 (EDT)

Color Name Changes

Black Bowser: Brown

Green Byleth: Purple

Blue Captain Falcon: Teal

Cyan Captain Falcon: Blue

Cyan Chrom: Teal

Original Cloud: Indigo

Advent Blue Cloud: Advent Teal

Blue Donkey Kong: Purple

Blue Duck Hunt: Green

White Falco: Cyan

Default Fox: White

Red Fox: Pink

White Fox: Gray

Indigo Ice Climbers: Navy

Default Ike: Indigo

Default Jigglypuff: Pink

Pink Jigglypuff: Violet

Nurse Jigglypuff: Gray

Blue Ken: Indigo

Cyan Ken: Teal

Gray King Dedede: Monochrome

Brown King K. Rool: Maroon

Indigo Link: Navy

Default Little Mac: Green

Green Little Mac: Wire-Hoodie

White Lucario: Cyan

Navy Lucina: Indigo

Navy Marth: Blue

Black Marth: Gray

Blue Marth: Indigo

Purple Meta Knight: Galacta

Default Mewtwo: Lavender

Pink Mewtwo: Red

Yellow Min Min: Brown

Blue Olimar: White

Alph Red: Alph Tan

Cyan Palutena: Purple

Purple Palutena: Maroon

Default Pikachu: Yellow

Yellow Pikachu: Black

Default Pit: White

White Pit: Blonde

Default Pyra/Mythra: Red/White

Gormotti Pyra/Mythra: Orange/Yellow

Default Ridley: Purple

Purple Ridley: Violet

Purple R.O.B.: Pink

Blue Samus: Cyan

White Sephiroth: Gray

Black Simon: Maroon

Blue Snake: Cyan

Purple Sonic: Pink

Brown Toon Link: Chartreuse

Blue Wario: Biker

Classic Wario: Overalls

Red Wario: Biker Red

Classic Red Wario: Overalls Red

Yellow Wario: Biker Green

Classic Cyan Wario: Overalls Cyan

Green Wario: Biker Pink

Classic Green Wario: Overalls Green

White Young Link: Lavender

Optional: Every "Grey" should be changed to "Gray".

Changing color names manually messes up the stock icon placements. There should be a way to do that without messing them up.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Karson05 (talk • contribs) 16:54, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

As I mentioned above, color names are coupled with the head icon names. As such changing the color names would require renaming the head icon files, and then every usage of the head icons would need to be changed to the new names which would be a massive task. --CanvasK (talk) 17:11, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

I'll add that the grey vs gray (English vs American) debate was addressed in SW:MoS. If every instance of a word is consistent within the page, it doesn't matter if said word uses English or American spelling. This means that grey will remain grey on this page. Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck (talk) 17:15, April 20, 2021 (EDT)

Zelda's Appearance in SSBU: What it Actually Is

This page has Zelda's pink color described as a combination of her appearance in The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds and A Link to the Past. This is highly doubtful however since she has an overhead sprite in A Link to the Past, so then what could it be, since she is taller in this game than in SSBU? Plus, her spirit image is just of her appearance in A Link Between Worlds, so this should also be enough proof on its own. I think it could be changed to being described as the following: "A slightly taller variation on her appearance in The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds. She is taller in this game to be able to fit the description of how she has appeared before in the Smash Bros. series." —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZeldaMainer999 (talk • contribs) 14:12, May 3, 2021‎ (EDT)

In this case, we're actually referring to the game's artwork, not the in-game sprites. If you compare the three designs, you'll see that SSBU's design is an amalgamation of Zelda's artwork from the two games. Overall, it's probably a closer match to A Link to the Past, but there are definitely certain details (her hairstyle, the embroidery on the pink portion of her dress, etc.) that are a closer match to A Link Between Worlds. See Talk:Princess Zelda#Page image for the earlier discussion on this. --PeabodySam (talk) 19:26, May 3, 2021 (EDT)

Color Descriptions That are Inaccurate or Need Slight Modifications

Sometimes people are mistaken and believe something to be untrue, or they missed a reference to something. That is what this section is for: any sort of corrections to color DESCRIPTIONS, not actual colors themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZeldaMainer999 (talk • contribs) 11:15, May 4, 2021‎ (EDT)

Zelda's Blue Alt: Resembles her casual appearance in The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past.(OG) This is true, however it also should be added that it resembles her appearance in Breath of The Wild. New description: Resembles her casual appearance in The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. It also resembles her appearance in The Legend of Zelda: Breath of The Wild. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZeldaMainer999 (talk • contribs) 11:21, May 4, 2021‎ (EDT)

One, sign your comments with four ~. Second, what is the point of this section? If there's specific problem, then specific section should be made, because if everything went under only one, it would become cluttered fast and become impossible to navigate. Superbound (talk) 11:26, May 4, 2021 (EDT)

DO NOT USE THIS ONE!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZeldaMainer999 (talk • contribs) 13:00, May 4, 2021‎ (EDT)

Zelda's 3rd Alt

This color is her blue alt. The website says it resembles her "casual" appearance in The Legend of Zelda: A Link to The Past, which is true. However, it also resembles her appearance in The Legend of Zelda: Breath of The Wild. This is evident in the spirit battle against BOTW Zelda, which puts her in the blue alt. If this doesn't resemble her appearance in her normal outfit, it does resemble her appearance in the regal outfit for the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZeldaMainer999 (talk • contribs) 13:00, May 4, 2021‎ (EDT)

Ken's 5th and 8th alts

Ken's fifth and eighth costumes seem to have been derived from his seventh and tenth "story" costumes in Street Fighter V, with matching color schemes for gloves and belt.Gwenda Eccles (talk) 15:25, May 5, 2021 (EDT)

Also Ridley Yellow resembles his Captain N look. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.30.210.113 (talk • contribs) 15:52, May 7, 2021 (EDT)

While Captain N Ridley is indeed an amusing similarity (although he's clearly orange while the costume is more yellow/gold), it's most likely a coincidence and nothing more. It's too much of a stretch to list for the purposes of this article, since I honestly doubt they would intentionally design one of Ridley's costumes after his most obscure appearance. --PeabodySam (talk) 10:40, May 8, 2021 (EDT)

Marth's yellow costume

Is just my opinion but I feel like Marth's yellow costume is based on Bridid / Eyvel from FE4 & FE5. While most of the art of her is she wearing orange sometimes is a light orange that could pass as yellow. Marth's cape is kept orange anyways. The pants are also black like some legwear that she wears as Brigid, the boots are like a mix of Brigid's yellow boots and Eyvel brown boots. This color scheme could also extend to Roy's yellow costume where it first appeared back in Melee. For that, the main difference is that Roy have white pants and on the inside of the cape that would match with Eyvel's white pants and white under skirt (I don't know what it should be called XD) respectively. Another possibility for yellow over orange could be a interpretation from her hair color and her clothes being more prominent and even though it was after SSBU's launch, Brigid got a alternate desing in Fire Emblem Heroes where she have orange clothing and yellow on top.

Brigid with brown pants like Roy

Brigid with black legwear like Marth

Eyvel in FE5

Brigid in FEH

DoctaShield (talk) 00:56, May 14, 2021 (EDT)

Ideas of possibly sources

Zero Suit Samus have a white color scheme with light gray that could reference the monocromathic colors of her at the end of Metroid II: Return of Samus. The same could be said for the green costume, being the green screen colors of the Game Boy, but also could be added her younger look in Other M while going to the Federation academy?

Young Link have an orange skin, while not directly him, Toon Link (I assume can be called that) from "Minish Cap" can turn orange by a glitch.

His pink outfit could reference Ankle, one of Tingle's brothers appearing in The Wind Waker, Minish Cap and Four Swords Adventures. While not directly related to Young Link, being a relative of Tingle, a recurring character that debuted in Majora's Mask should be noted. Also, his color is also an alternate for Tigle in Hyrule Warriors.

Corrin's orange color should reference Oboro, being the only character with orange clothing and (dark) blue, plus being female. I remember reading this reference before but I don't know why was erased (in SSB4). Plus, she is also a retainer just like Saizo, being a complement to each other costume like some characters with both genders are available.

Daisy's maid costume as is now could also be slighty reference to GB colors, being black, white and some green, of course that skin have some other colors but just saying. If I think aobut it, maybe the red and black one reference the Virtual Boy due to having a Mario's Tennis, when not having her, but Peach and also being a sports game that is what most commonly Daisy appears could be a nod.

Dark Samus dark green costume could be a reference to many things but I thought that referencing Queen Metroid would make sense being a final boss and a variation of the Metroids. She have green, yellow and blue. Maybe any stage of development of Metroids could fit.

Falco's green costume could possibly be a reference to his appearence in Star Fox Adventure. Green jacket and Light Brown boots for the pants.

For his pink costume it could come from the colors of Katt in the CG portions of Star Fox Command.

Fox's white could be just a stretch but I though maybe could be base on Bill, Fox's old friend from the academy but the colors are very much alike so maybe it could be based on his ship, or rather the Cornerian Fighter.

Greninja. I went from a theme, that being Frog. For the green costume it could be Politoed being green with yellow, then though Greninja's is a darker tone of green. I would denote that the palette is more like the colors from a real frog. By the same source, the gray skin could be from the same Pokémon but the shiny variant from Gold / Silver.

By going by the theme of tongue, the purple color could reference Shellder featuring the purple color and pink tongues, with Shellder having the core of the body being black just like some parts of this alt.

By going by types, the red alt could reference Crawdaunt being mainly red and yellow with a small blue details.

Ike's purple feel slighly referencing Micaiah from Radiant Dawn, the protagonist in the first part of the game and an important character. The color scheme matches but not a direct reference, like the shirt and cape are the only parts that matches the most.

Lucas's red alt might be a slight reference to the Zombie Man in Mother 3, with the colors of the pants matching. But I also see using the palid skin and the purple lines on the shirt doing the blue alt.

As an extra for Mario's black, it could reference his sprite in Super Mario Land (albeit inversed) and Super Mario Land 2 just to justify the monochromatic colors.

Pit's yellow costume is a reference to the Centurion from the og game. That also could apply to Dark Pit.

Lucario. The pink color is possibly a reference to Medicham a fighting-psychic type Pokémon.

The green color might be a reference to Gallade since this evolution option was available since Lucario's generation and have the same type combination as Medicham.

DoctaShield (talk) 03:40, May 14, 2021 (EDT)

Dark Pit. His red coloring could reference Twinbellows, featuring a dark red main color and white wings referecing the exposed bones in the back.

The blue color could be reference Pandora because he was originally meant to be her minion but instead took her power to be able to fly by himself.

The green color could reference Thanatos, but the tone does not coincide but if we count just the color as well as his sprite appearence it matched good enought.

DoctaShield (talk) 03:53, May 14, 2021 (EDT)

Pit's white alt

Could be considered the Centurion Strongarm variation of Centurion be a basis for this costume? This guys wear mostly white even to the ... shoes? boots? sandals? and being blonde could be interpreted by the golden helmet. Of course, if I consider what I have said before about the yellow costume based in the og art of centurions, the hair color was not changed. DoctaShield (talk) 20:32, May 15, 2021 (EDT)

Pokémon Trainer colors

Squirtle:

(White) could be based on the sprite from ´´Red / Blue / Green.

(Blue) could be slightly based on Tirtouga being another turtle Pokémon that while blue, the shell is black but one could see it as dark blue. I feel this is a weak idea but whatever, i had to. In a little more out there idea, shiny Shuckle features a blue shell but not as dark as his skin. Clamperl is also a water creature with a shell that have a blue sell as seen here.

(Purple) in the same vein as before, shiny Shuckle in Gold / Silver sprite looks more purple than anything. Likewise. Clamperl shiny form have a purple shell as seen here.

Ivysaur

(White) goes by the same logic as Squirtle, sprite here.

(Pink) could be based on Vileplum featuring a blue body and a pink like flower even though some times looks like some tone of red.

(Blue) could be based on Roselia, a grass type Pokémon featuring a blue flower in one of her hands.

(Purple) could be a reference to the shiny variation of the previous Pokémon but because Ivasaur green skin is darker than the previous one, it could be more likely to be evolution form Roserade which also have the purple flower in the shiny form

Charizard:

(White) goes by the same logic of the previous ones, but considering that the GB is monochromatic, you normally would play with no colors, here the idea (I could not find him alone). This would go well considering it features the skin of the female trainer from Black / White.

(Green) could just be based in the colors of a real lizard and complement the Green theme like the previous Red theme. ahem.. Pokémon Red / Green. Druddigon shiny variation is the closest (body and wings being all green) but have a yellow head and spikes.

(Pink) could be based on the shiny coloration of Moltres, a legendary Pokémon from gen. 1 that is a fire flying Pokémon just like Charizard

DoctaShield (talk) 22:10, May 15, 2021 (EDT)