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The major reason why I'm in favor of Option 1 is that Smash Ultimate tier lists are near-universally opinion based. So they aren't actually being generated based on matchups directly, they're a vague assessment of character "quality" (whatever that means to the person voting or making it). This largely makes them a terrible measure of viability, so they don't have a lot of objective value. And because of all the subjectivity involved, they aren't actually neutrally assessed. So they directly violate wiki rules on neutrality. Opinion-based tiers lists are especially flawed when there are a large number of characters, since even an experienced pro doesn't know all the matchups for characters they're voting on. With all these issues, I don't think numerical tier lists provide meaningful value to this wiki (not more so than more general categories), not for Smash Ultimate at least. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:69.255.29.233|69.255.29.233]] ([[User talk:69.255.29.233|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.255.29.233|contribs]]) 15:18, July 2, 2020 (EDT)</small> | The major reason why I'm in favor of Option 1 is that Smash Ultimate tier lists are near-universally opinion based. So they aren't actually being generated based on matchups directly, they're a vague assessment of character "quality" (whatever that means to the person voting or making it). This largely makes them a terrible measure of viability, so they don't have a lot of objective value. And because of all the subjectivity involved, they aren't actually neutrally assessed. So they directly violate wiki rules on neutrality. Opinion-based tiers lists are especially flawed when there are a large number of characters, since even an experienced pro doesn't know all the matchups for characters they're voting on. With all these issues, I don't think numerical tier lists provide meaningful value to this wiki (not more so than more general categories), not for Smash Ultimate at least. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:69.255.29.233|69.255.29.233]] ([[User talk:69.255.29.233|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.255.29.233|contribs]]) 15:18, July 2, 2020 (EDT)</small> | ||
One other thing: I'm not sure how we can even consider option 3 unless we have a reliable sense of what tier lists are trustworthy representations of the meta. Right now I'm not sure any of those exist, especially with how much the meta is changing (both with the introduction of new competitive players and the continual rebalancing). If anything, the default should be option 1 until we have a much clearer sense of which tier lists could be considered both reliable and stable. [[User:LightningRT|LightningRT]] | One other thing: I'm not sure how we can even consider option 3 unless we have a reliable sense of what tier lists are trustworthy representations of the meta. Right now I'm not sure any of those exist, especially with how much the meta is changing (both with the introduction of new competitive players and the continual rebalancing). If anything, the default should be option 1 until we have a much clearer sense of which tier lists could be considered both reliable and stable. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:LightningRT|LightningRT]] ([[User talk:LightningRT|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LightningRT|contribs]]) 22:10, July 4, 2020 (EDT)</small> | ||