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Simon and Trevor's alt colors

Hey guys, decided to look at all of Simon's and Richter's recolors, and given the wiki has very few for the both of them I thought I'd give my two cents
Simon's Colors

• Default
• Castlevania 2 Design (Red and Gold design from cover artwork)
• Alucard (SoTn design)
• Juste Belmont (Simon's grandson, Gray hair with red outfit, purple highlights are based on the sprite)
• Richter (Blue and white outfit with Brown Hair)
• Cornell (Purple outfit, Silver hair)
• Julius Belmont (Ginger hair, Brown and red clothing)
• Shanoa (Purple outfit, Black hair)
  

Richter's Colors

• Default
• Red (possibly the rival from bloodletting or Christopher as mentioned in the article)
• Purple (Cornell?)
• Green (Slow effect as mentioned in the article)
• Yellow (John Morris as mentioned in the article)
• Blue (possibly Charlotte Aulin or Peke)
• Black (Alucard Again)
• White (Possibly Soma Cruz based)
  

those are at least my thoughts on it BlueLeo (talk) 20:34, 4 November 2018 (EST)

Big Castlevania fan here, I think Richter's Green alt is actually referencing the Lords of Shadow incarnation of Trevor Belmont and/or Victor Belmont from LoS 2, both of who wear green. His red outfit is definitely Christopher. Also I think his yellow outfit may actually be Trevor from the US boxart of Castlevania 3 (yellow/gold armor and a red cape, represented by the red headband here).

As for Simon, his yellow/gold alt is based in his appearance in the American boxart for Super Castlevania 4 and his blue alt (appearance 5) is based on the Japanese boxart of the same game. I agree that appearance 4 is Juste and appearance 6 is Cornell. I was going to add all this info to the page but it's been locked UnReverie (talk) 23:00, 4 November 2018 (EST)

Seovania's note : I pretty much agree and found the same references overall. The only thing I'd add is that Richter's green costume seems to be a Maria reference, as it has some yellow edges on it.

Red Richter also seemed to be the Rival from the Bloodletting, either that or Jonathan Morris (although one might say it's not the same kind of red.)

The other Blue Richter might also simply be a Dracula X Chronicles reference, but I like the idea of it being a Charlotte reference more.

In fact I had a whole theory going with Simon mostly referencing Belmonts whereas Richter would reference non-Belmont important characters.

Last thing I'll add is that I found Simon's last costume might be a reference to Hector Devil Forgemaster, from Curse of Darkness.

ah yeah, I'd forgotten about the box arts containing different recolours for Simon and the others, and I've played more rondo than symphony, so I forget about maria's symphony design sometimes.

I'd also let the LoS and Ps2 games slip my mind when checking through it, haven't actually played LoS, mostly played the classics and been trying out the post SotN games

Regarding Simon, I mainly don't think that the yellow/gold one is based on the US box art of CV4 because of the hair color change, it's changed to be a quite pale blonde, and there's a fair amount of black in his color scheme. I agree the blue one is probably Richter and/or the CV4 japanese box art.

The yellow recolor of Richter could very well be based on Trevor, but I don't think they'd base it off of US box art, considering he's got a far more recognizable design in this art and the Curse of Darkness design

I also brought up the Rival from the cancelled game simply because it was something neat and more closely tied to Richter that could be related to the colors, it's just nice to see what possible correlations there are I guess BlueLeo (talk) 04:54, 8 November 2018 (EST)

Just to add a few more Richter reference possibilities: His red outfit could reference Maria as she appeared in her red dress in Rondo of Blood. Purple could be "Shaft", the antagonist from Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the Night (his sprites are very purple). Richter's yellow costume could be Julius Belmont, who wears a yellow vest and a red scarf around his neck. His second blue costume could be a reference to his appearance in Symphony of the Night, where the inner lining of his jacket is gray (like in the costume).

Should also note that someone on the main costume page got Simon's "Orange" and "Red" references backwards. "Orange" should be his Simon's Quest appearance while "Red" should be referencing his Castlevania sprite (note the brown hair). Pyitoechito (talk) 15:32, 8 November 2018 (EST)

About the "Red" recolor, I really don't think it's referencing his Castlevania Sprite, considering the outfit is colored a dark red and an orange, while his hair is a completely different tone, if it were referencing the CV1 sprite the hair would be matching the darker colour, and if it were CV2's sprite it'd be entirely different, the main reason I think that it's based on Julius is because of the Juste recolor, they based his colors on the sprite, including the purple outline on him, Julius' sprite matches to the color scheme pretty closely I think. Though I could be wrong, I don't really see it being the CV1 sprite of simon (Julius' Sprite)

I don't think that Richter's yellow costume references Julius though, considering Julius' main color is the brown. I also don't think the purple is shaft because of the lack of any green (Shaft's secondary color) on the recolor, though the blue one could be based on SotN for sure. BlueLeo (talk) 03:03, 12 November 2018 (EST)

To me, Simon's "Orange" recolor bears striking similarities to his appearance on the CV2 box art. Blonde hair and red armor with gold accents. Maybe "Red" doesn't reference his CV1 sprites, but "Orange" definitely looks a lot like his CV2 box art appearance. Also of note is that the "Red" costume has Simon's brown hair very closely matching his brown shoulder guards. Pyitoechito (talk) 13:14, 13 November 2018 (EST)

As I have already stated on the article, Simon's yellow alt is actually his appearance on the Western Super Castlevania IV box, with the purple one being based on his in-game appearance in Vampire Killer, and the Blue one actually being how he looks in Super Castlevania IV. The last one looks more like how Simon appears in Haunted Castle. As for Richter, all of them are actually from Harmony of Despair. However, the Green one is the curse effect from both Dracula X games, the Yellow one is indeed based on John Morris's concept art. But for the Cyan and Black ones, both are from the Dracula X games; Cyan is his suit shown in the opening sequence of RoB, and Black is sourced from the monochromatic ending stills from SNES Dracula X. The Purple and White ones don't reference anyone, as they are from HD. --Tailikku (talk) 00:22, 18 November 2018 (EST)

I definitely agree that Simon's "orange" is based on CV2 boxart. 71.203.64.176 16:57, 22 November 2018 (EST)

Fixed for you. --Tailikku (talk) 23:28, 24 November 2018 (EST)

I honestly can't see how this is a reference to the CV2 boxart considering even his hair's color was changed, and that it matches Julius's color scheme way much more than this but okay...

I agree that #3 probably isn't referencing the Western CV4 boxart, but I don't know what else it could be. Also, I added Cornell to the page. Simon's black alt could also be referencing Shanoa but I'm not sure. --Master Foot (talk) 23:52, 29 November 2018 (EST)

Dark Samus

I found HQ versions of Dark Samus’s alts - on a Facebook post of all things. See here Aykrivwassup (talk) 17:04, 20 November 2018 (EST)

I think the Yellow Dark Samus Alt is based on SA-X from Metroid Fusion. Like Dark Samus it as well is a clone of Samus. Mudkip971 (talk) 22:57, 20 November 2018 (EST)

Hi, don't have an account but wanted to chime in -

Dark Samus's Gold costume is almost certainly meant to be a reference to the Golden Torizo from Super Metroid, right down to the blue accents:

-Narmot

Golden Torizo definitely looks like a likely possibility for the gold costume. I'm also wondering if her black costume may have been inspired by this concept artwork of Dark Samus from Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, considering that her silver costume greatly resembles another piece of concept art from the same game. --PeabodySam (talk) 18:50, 4 December 2018 (EST)

HD better images of the Alt costumes

Over here => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzaXw_91bAE -- WolfgerLynel (talk) 21:32, 20 November 2018 (EST)

We are very close to the game’s launch. I would suggest we just wait to use the in-game assets (like with previous titles) for the alt images. Nintendo101 (talk) 21:51, 20 November 2018 (EST)

Full body references

For things we can't tell just from the shoulders up, or that are slightly different in game than in the artwork: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROd0H43R78I Furballcan (talk) 02:54, 23 November 2018 (EST)

Ike

It could be said that the Purple alt for Ike may resemble Micaiah, from FE: Radiant Dawn [here], or Katarina, from FE: New Mystery of the Emblem [here]. They're both main characters in their respective instalments.

Blessedvolty (talk) 12:39, 25 November 2018 (EST)

The Red Ike is based on the Red Team Ike color in Brawl that was just his default colors with a red tint, making them look purple. It predates Katarina, and doesn't really resemble Micaiah since it has a red and yellow cape instead of a blue one to reference her scarf. Furballcan (talk) 11:05, 28 November 2018 (EST)

Made an account for this because it was bugging me that it wasn't listed. The purple Ike alt is definitely based on Katarina from Fire Emblem: New Mystery of the Emblem. If you look at Katarina's official artwork and the purple Ike alt, the colors on the shirt and scarf match pretty much perfectly. I can't edit the page yet but I just wanted to make this known for anyone who can. CombatRobot (talk) 13:50, 4 December 2018 (EST)

Mewtwo's Alternate Costumes

Majority of the alternate costumes for Mewtwo have little to no reference to anything else. However, both the Cyan and Blue skin do have their reasons.

• Cyan (or Green) Mewtwo is a reference to it's shiny palette swap.
• Blue could also be a reference to Mewtwo's second costume in Pokken Tournament.

The cyan color is more blue than green for it to resemble its shint, and I would contend that its cyan color more closely resembles its alt from Pokkén than the blue one. VoqéoT 19:01, 30 November 2018 (EST)

Richter's Alternate Colors

Hello, I am a Smash Bros. fan, and a HUGE Castlevania fan, as well. As I was browsing the alternate colors for the different characters, I came upon Richter's and couldn't help but criticize the color origins listed. I will do my best to state what I think the colors are referencing and back my claims with present evidence.

1. Richter's default costume: Do I even need to say it?

2. Richter's 2nd costume: Red shirt, White edges on shirt, Normal undershirt, White leather gloves, White pants, Black boots. This costume has been said to be a reference to either Christopher Belmont, or the rival from the cancelled Bloodletting, but I cannot see that at all. What I see, however, is a reference to Juste Belmont. Juste Belmont's character has been depicted as wearing a Red shirt with White edges, Black undershirt, White gloves, White Pants, and Black Boots. The part that gets me to believe it is Juste is the color of the boots. When so many of Richter's alternate costumes change the color of the boots, why wouldn't the color change to light brown to reference Christopher in Rebirth or the rival from Bloodletting? The fact that they are Black boots in particular sells me on it being Juste Belmont.

3. Richter's 3rd costume: Purple shirt, Greyish-Black undershirt, White gloves, Black pants, and Yellow Purple and Black boots. Not quite sure who this may be referencing, or at least, it is not as clear as the other costumes. It's anyone's guess, really...

4. Richter's 4th costume: Green shirt, Gold edges on shirt, Normal undershirt, Grey pants, and Dark-Brown boots with Light Brown coverings. This costume is listed on the wiki as being the "Curse effect from Rondo of Blood." However, and this is very clear, I am sure it is referencing Maria Renard as she appears in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, where she wears a Green tunic with Golden-colored cuffs. She also wears socks that are greyish-white and shoes that are light brown in color.

5. Richter's 5th costume: Yellow shirt, Brown edges on shirt, Red undershirt, Blue pants, Brown boots. Now this one seems to be the most controversial; many people believe it is a reference to John Morris, and others believe it is Julius Belmont. I am one who believes it is Julius based on a few factors. It is true that both Julius and John wear Blue jeans and have brown boots, and it is also true that John Morris wears a Red headband in many pieces of official artwork for Bloodlines. However, John Morris has never been depicted in official artwork wearing a yellow shirt, especially a yellow shirt with dark brown. He has always been depicted wearing brown, sweater-type clothing, with a white shirt to go underneath. John is also depicted with either red or black suspenders. Julius, on the other hand, is depicted in Dawn of Sorrow, to have a Yellow shirt, Brown Jacket, Red handkerchief, Blue jeans, and Brown boots. The Brown jacket and Yellow shirt looking nearly identical in color to Richter's Yellow shirt with Brown edges.

6. Richter's 6th costume: Blue shirt, White edges and insides of shirt, White undershirt, White pants, Brown boots with Blue around the ankles and Tan flaps. This is an extremely obvious costume referencing Richter's appearance in the official artwork of Symphony of the Night. Clarifications should not have to be made.

7. Richter's 7th costume: Blackish shirt, Gold edges on shirt, Grey undershirt, Dark Grey pants, Dark Brown boots with white around the ankles. This is also a costume that can be referencing many things, but I believe that this is referencing Alucard's Symphony of the Night appearance, especially with the golden edges, but it, to me, is very vague.

8. Richter's 8th costume: White shirt, Red edges on shirt, Black undershirt, Black pants, Black boots with White coverings and Tan flaps. I have heard many things about this costume, whether or not it's Juste or Soma. I do not believe it is Juste since Juste does not wear Black pants and since Juste wears more Red than white in his official art. I REALLY do not think it is Soma, since Soma's color scheme is White coat, Black sweater, Blue jeans, and the fact that Soma is never depicted wearing anything with the color Red. I, however, believe it is a lovely reference to the one who started it all, Leon Belmont. Just look at the similarities in color; Leon wears a Black, long sleeve undershirt with a shirt that is White and has Red on the edges of it. Leon's pants are also Black and striped with white, and his Black boots have Light-Tan flaps and White coverings around the vamps. This is nearly one-to-one with Richter's 8th costume.

104.136.71.9 23:07, 30 November 2018 (EST) An avid Castlevania fan, and a dedicated Richter main, OliviérBaguette.

The first thing the 3rd costume reminded me of was Richter's design from the unreleased 32X game, which I added to the article. The only difference is he has a dark purple coat instead of a dark blue one, but it's closer to that than anything else from Castlevania I can think of. --Master Foot (talk) 19:16, 1 December 2018 (EST)

Is there any way that the main article can be updated so to correspond with the new outfit colors rather than the older ones? If not that's okay.

104.136.71.9 16:27, 4 December 2018 (EST) OliviérBaguette

Yeah, no. As a huge fan of Castlevania myself, not a single one of them are a reference to Juste, Maria, Soma, or Alucard, as most of them are references to Richter's appearances in other games or Richter-like designs. Zombie Trevor does not count since he's literally a zombie mimicking Trevor Belmont, and the real Trevor wears brown (this can be seen when using the Greatest Five Dual Crush in Portrait of Ruin). And there is also the fact that Richter's outfit in Symphony has the same exact shade of blue as in Rondo. The Julius connection is completely out there, as John's is a closeer match to Richter's outfit since the artwork used for him in the Japanese manual for Bloodlines (known as Vampire Killer) has John wearing a red bandana (it appears blue ingame but red in the intro as well) as well as a more orange shirt as well. And for that matter, it's not a sweater that Johnny boy is wearing, it's a plain white tee with a vest over it, mainly to show off his biceps and just how everything is bigger in Texas. --Tailikku (talk) 20:18, 4 December 2018 (EST)

Don't worry, I do not believe that the white one references Soma, either. (I said it looked similar to the color scheme of Leon's official artwork) However, most of the others are extremely similar to the ones that I have pointed out. I said I was not too sure about the black outfit being Alucard or the Purple outfit being anything but the 32X design since its the only thing I, and many others, were able to find that were close enough to them. If you could tell me what costumes reference "Richter-like" designs that would be nice. The only one I've noticed was Richter's 6th color, which you can see on the main article as having an identical color scheme to his SoTN appearance. Thanks - P.S. Im using this video that displays the alternate costumes from head to toe. P.P.S If this is the image of John Morris that you were referring to, or even this one of him whipping down, then answer these: Why would Richter's costume use a Red undershirt instead of a White one to reference John's White shirt underneath his Brown vest? Why would Richter's costume use a Yellow tunic with Brown outlines to reference John's Yellow pants and Brown vest? Why would Richter's costume use Blue pants along with the other colors, especially Yellow? Perhaps Richter's color is combining both John's official and in-game appearances? Or maybe, JUST maybe, Richter's costume is directly referencing Julius' official artwork? If the costume is referencing others based on all direct colors and places of those colors, then the ONLY thing DIRECTLY referencing John has to be Richter's red headband. Everything else from the neck downwards directly references the colors of Julius AND exactly where you can find those colors on Julius' official artwork. The Red undershirt referencing Julius' Red handkerchief that he wears around his neck; The Yellow tunic with Brown outlines referencing Julius' Yellow shirt with Brown coat; the Blue pants referencing Julius' Blue jeans; and the Brown boots referencing Julius' Brown boots. From this, you can see that there is more evidence pointing to Julius Belmont than John Morris. 104.136.71.9 16:41, 5 December 2018 (EST)OliviérBaguette

Incineroar's alt colours

Incineroar's "yellow" alt is based off Scrafty, another Dark-type Pokemon, not Infernape. The mark on Incineroar's head and its eyebrows are red like Scrafty's mohawk in the official renders. In addition to this the skin is primarily orange, a colour not present in Infernape's design (even the flames are only red/yellow.) Rocket1908 (talk) 07:52, 2 December 2018 (EST)

There is no red on that skin. Scrafty's hands and feet aren't blue, nor is there any blue present. Also, no orange on Infernape? Seriously? Wazzup111 (talk) 12:03, 2 December 2018 (EST)

The hands are more black/grey than blue. If you look closely at the head, you will notice that the eyebrows are actually a darker, more red shade as opposed to the rest of the body which is orange. Please show me where the orange is consistently in Infernape's design - in its simplest form, the fire is always red and yellow, meaning there isn't any orange outside of gradients in more detailed models. You could argue that it isn't Scrafty because of the supposedly "blue hands" but by the same logic Infernape is instantly ruled out by the primarily orange body. Rocket1908 (talk) 00:20, 3 December 2018 (EST)

It's definitely a navy blue. The color looks nothing like the black present on Scrafty. If you're arguing that Incineroar's eyebrows are a very faintly different shade of oran-I-I mean red, then would ya look at that: Infernape's "uninbrow" is red. Also, do you not see Infernape's arms? His legs? His tail? His head? His ears? I even went into Photoshop and checked that the colors are orange, and they are. Going back to the Incineroar skin, his arms and legs are striped with orange and yellow, and the fur making up his abs are yellow just like how there's only yellow on the white of Infernape's chest. So what are you even talking about with "primarily orange body"? Do you even know what the color orange looks like? Wazzup111 (talk) 20:07, 2 December 2018 (EST)

Infernape is clearly brown. The pre-evolutions may be orange, but Infernape itself is brown. Not sure how you're seeing orange on him. The chest on the Incineroar skin is also grey, not white. You can tell because Incineroar's "shiny" skin with white uses a much lighter colour for the actual white parts. Rocket1908 (talk) 22:57, 2 December 2018 (EST)

Just for the record, here is an image of Infernape's model from Pokemon Battle Revolution. That definitely looks orange to me. --PeabodySam (talk) 23:06, 2 December 2018 (EST)

To be fair that's one model from a decade-old Wii game. More recent and consistent portrayals from the main games, anime, TCG and other spin-off material are clearly tan/brown. I doubt that the inspiration for this alternate colour is from one cherrypicked portrayal of a Pokemon that isn't the base Pokemon (some Pokemon do use official non-shiny alternate colours that originate from Stadium or old sprites, but only their own), especially when the shade of orange is better matched to Scrafty's orange than the PBR Infernape colour anyway. The skin definitely isn't Infernape. Rocket1908 (talk) 00:20, 3 December 2018 (EST)

You are absolutely grasping at straws. You're ignoring the fact that there is no red or black on the skin and only basing it on how there is orange and yellow. Also, Infernape's model in Smash 4 is orange. Wazzup111 (talk) 16:33, 4 December 2018 (EST)

Grasping at straws? You're using inconsistent non-canon portrayals to support your argument. The main series Pokemon games, the official artwork, the anime, Pokemon Go, the trading card game and multiple other spinoffs are all brown. Even in Smash 4 with the proper shading and lighting, Infernape is actually brown. The official render for Incineroar's alt 5 actually does have red in the exact same spot of its head as Scrafty, and has the grey on the abdomen, just like Scrafty. And I know you're gonna come back and say something about the black-blue hands, but remember that you said yourself in the edit notes of the article "the slightest difference between white and grey does not outweigh the rest of the similarities", just like the slighest difference between black and black-blue doesn't outweigh actual similarities. Even the orange versions of Infernape are not the same shade of orange as the skin... multiple people have reversed your edit already, please stop. So as you would say, you are absolutely grasping at straws. I understand you might not agree with what is elsewhere the general consensus of the skin's origin, but you cannot seriously still insist that the orange and grey are supposed to be Infernape's brown and white. Rocket1908 (talk) 00:06, 5 December 2018 (EST)

Chrom's alt colours

Currently we don't have much in regards to Chrom's alts, so I'd like to throw my hat into what they might be referencing. For reference, I'm using this video to see the full costumes.

• Default
• This might be Walhart, due to the deep red throughout, as well as the black undertones.
• This is almost certainly Gangrel. The dark main coat with gold highlights, as well as a yellow cape on both sides just screams Gangrel in my eyes.
• Owain (already on the page)
• The dark main colour along with the brownish/orange highlights, and dark blue inner cape may reference Gaius, one of his support options, though this one's more tough to say.
• This is very likely Sumia, one of Chrom's possible love interests. That shade of purple and pink highlights are unmistakably hers.
• Kellam (already on the page)
• This is the most difficult for me to ascertain. The black main colour along with the purple highlights may be referencing Brady, one of Chrom's possible future children, but there are quite a few black/purple colour schemes around Awakening. Plus, the light blue buckles are throwing me for a loop.

If anyone has any other ideas, please throw em down. Xamad (talk) 14:18, 4 December 2018 (EST)