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"Newcomer" trailers

That's incorrect. Sonic's trailer, which features no newcomers, is listed there. Also, Mr. Game & Watch was recently added to Pac-Man's, and Charizard has been attached to Greninja's as long as I can remember. The name of the page is character trailers, not newcomer trailers. TheNuttyOne 17:46, 19 July 2018 (EDT)

It occurs to me that the opening sentence says "newcomers and third-party", so the page itself is inconsistent. However, sticking by that definition would exclude Charizard, which seems wrong seeing as he got a dedicated portion of the unique animation and a tagline. TheNuttyOne 17:56, 19 July 2018 (EDT)

Alright, you got me there. Go ahead and change it back (if you haven't already). Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 17:57, 19 July 2018 (EDT)

Congratulations

Look, I know this isn't the place to say it, but I just wanted to say congratulations on getting to the admin position, Aidanzapunk! Speed48 15:51, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

I congratulate you as well, Aidan. I had two previous failed RfAs, which failed because I didn't have enough experience. You certainly do, and I believe you will do good as admin. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 17:19, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

SSBM and SSBB template improvement suggestions

see talk page if you want to see how i suggest just one small feature to change the display name: Template talk:SSBB Template talk:SSBM. Additionally, i don't think MediaWiki:Edit is needed as it changes the text "edit" to "edit this page", which makes the box longer. Conker the Squirrel (talk) 23:16, 31 July 2018 (EDT)

Also found some other redundant MediaWiki pages from [1], who is a bot from Wikia. Here's some specifics: Searchsubtitle, Noexactmatch, Fileexists, Addsection, Talk (already is "dicussion" by default i think), Tooltip-search (Wikia leftover?), Blockipsuccesstext, Logouttext, Loginsuccess, Sitestatstext, Semiprotectedpagewarning, Noimage, Yournick, Revertpage, Searchresulttext, Disambiguationspage (Special:Disambiguations isn't even a special page). Just thought these could potentially be deleted. Conker the Squirrel (talk) 23:27, 31 July 2018 (EDT)

As much as I would love to help, I'm currently out on vacation in Montana, and won't be back until Friday. In the meantime, if you have suggestions for things you cannot edit, I would recommend talking to one of the other active admins, and if it's a wiki-specific question, you should talk to the wiki creator. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 00:41, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

Those have been that way for a long time, there is no reason to get rid of them now. Why do you care? Also for the {{SSBX}} templates adding a display parameter defeats the whole purpose of the template. It's easier to just have [[Diddy Kong (SSBB)|Diddy]] at that point. Serpent  King 10:26, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

Okay, well i was just wondering opinion from a bureaucrat. I don't care that much--I just thought those didn't need to be created. Thanks for response. Conker the Squirrel (talk) 15:22, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

"the graphics don't change, the character models do. **We've already noted that, however**"

I can't find it. Where exactly does it say that? I used Ctrl + F for L button, and models, but nothing is showing up. Unowninator (talk) 11:31, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

Speed: Allows the player to alter the gameplay speed of the match, though some aspects of gameplay, such as transformation Final Smashes and stage hazards, are unaffected by this setting. The original SSB64 allows for standard speed (1x), as well as factors of 2/3x, 1/2x, and 1/4x; Melee added factors of 1.5x and 2x, though 2x speed was removed from Brawl onward. Smash 3DS also removed 1.5x speed, but added a second version of 1/2x and 1/4x where time only advances while the L button is held down (regardless of the player's control settings). Smash Wii U re-added the 1.5x speed.

There's nothing about the character models however, so you can add that part to the section. Serpent  King 11:34, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

Who said I was specifically referring to that page? Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 23:21, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

I cannot add new articles

When I try to add a new article, I get this message:

"You do not have permission to create pages, for the following reason:

You do not have permission to create new pages."

I'd like to create Item pickup glitch, which is currently a red link at List of regional version differences (SSBM). I'm asking you for help, since you are an admin. Thanks. --Mugg1991 (talk) 02:42, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

You have to be autoconfirmed to do that (7 days 10 edits). Serpent  King 03:43, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

I can now add articles. I think someone granted me permission. Thanks! I have added the article Item pickup glitch. --Mugg1991 (talk) 04:48, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

Returning stages?

The notice when editing Template:News says that "playable characters and stages" are usually notable, so that should count returning stages, too, since it doesn't specifically say otherwise (although it does specifically say returning modes usually aren't notable). I also seem to recall us including returning stages leading up to SSB4. TheNuttyOne 22:33, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

In my personal opinion, whether or not a returning stage is coming back isn't really notable, because it (the stage, not the return) is something we've already covered in the past, and we just simply edit the original page to say "hey, it's coming back". It's not as big as, say, the announcement of a then-new stage based around the opening scenes of an iconic video game. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 22:47, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

The news section isn't really intended to demonstrate how much effort it takes, though? It's intended for people to easily see what has recently been announced. We already know that not every stage will be back, so casual readers are likely somewhat anxious to know whether or not their favorite stages are part of the group that is. I actually saw quite a bit of excitement around the internet that Delfino Plaza did make it back in, because it's based on Super Mario Sunshine, a very popular but often ignored game.

Also, again, the current policies have nothing against including it and actually advise towards including it. If you disagree, you should probably bring that up on a talk page somewhere rather than just deciding what should or shouldn't count as notable on your own. TheNuttyOne 22:53, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

Mii Fighter Costumes

Hi, I've got a couple of questions I'm hoping you can help me answer!

I'm planning on making a sub-page(?) for the Mii Fighter's Alternate costumes, with better images and more information. I asked about this on Talk:Alternate costume (SSB4) and got two supports, but one isn't a registered user. I already have a (very) rough draft for the new page, which I plan to put at "Mii Fighter costumes (SSB4)" eventually, but was wondering if I should make it a User page first or if that is unnessecary.

I also have a large amount of images I'd like to upload, but I've never uploaded images before, so I'm wondering how to do that properly (I know it's likely to include the "Upload image" link, but not much past that.)

Hopefully these questions make sense! AmoongussForLife Talk 23:05, 5 August 2018 (EDT)

Personally, I would wait for more support - if you need opinions (support or opposition), I can make it known. That said, if you want the best way to give support (or opposition), then I would make it a userpage, but mark it as a draft, which makes it available for others to edit as if it were a regular page. If you get enough support via its talk page (which should be marked as a proposal), then you can ask to move it over to the mainspace, and an admin/crat will most likely get to it shortly after.

As for uploading images, the process is really simple: you click on "upload image", and then you choose the file; you can add a description to the image, which would include categories and whatnot; you would then choose the licensing, which, if you're using screenshots from Sm4sh, makes it easy to find which one you're going to want to use. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 00:47, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

Alright, thanks! I'll mark the talk page as a proposal. I've got one more question, though: since I want to upload all of these images of Mii Fighter Costumes (and there's one for each costume, so we're talking 154 distinct images), should I make them User images, upload them as standard images, or try and wait until we're sure if the page needs made? Thanks, AmoongussForLife Talk 08:29, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

That's...not what I meant. I meant that, if you were making a userpage as a draft, you would mark that page's talk page (or, in this case, user talk page) as a proposal. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 11:00, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

As for the other question, if they're screenshots we don't have, them put them under the SSB4 Mii Fighter category. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 11:02, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

Oops, thanks for taking care of that for me! AmoongussForLife Talk 17:55, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

Pokémon signature moves

I do look at SW:TRIVIA before I add things to the trivia pages. I try to add things that are not overly obvious.

The amount of Pokemon that currently have a signature ability is 121, but that is only 15% of the current 807. Some moves are shared among evolution lines as well. Most that have them are legendary. Only 11 Poke Ball Pokemon that do have them use them, while only 12 of the ones in Smash don't use them. (13 if you count a stage hazard) With the current 80 Poke Ball Pokemon, that is only 13.75% that have them that do use the, and 13.75% that do and don't use them. Making 28.75% in all. 71.25% makes up the rest. I did all this calculating before I attempted to change/add their trivia pages. A friend of mine confused Echoed Voice and Relic Song because Meloetta's appearance in Smash, which is what originally got me thinking of that. Some of the "Trivia" I try adding is with the idea that people reading them are Smash fans and not necessarily "Pokemon" fans (or fans of any series other than Smash). Or things that should be obvious but aren't really until someone were to point it out. If I do find something interesting, I'll usually double check my information before adding it.

Yes, meany Pokemon don't use a "signature move", but that is common knowledge to me since I'm a fan of Pokemon. If it's also common knowledge to someone else, chances are they are fans too. Not everyone plays the Smash games, but still check the Smash Wiki. I try to avoid adding things that I don't know, like competitive fighting, or from some series I'm currently not all that familiar with. It's not like there is someone I can say "Hey, do you think this is notable enough to be added to the wiki page?" every time I wanted to add aside from the "summery".

If you still think the signature moves are still not notable enough, okay. I guess they shouldn't be added then. But I do read SW:TRIVIA beforehand. (Wish it had more "Bad" examples with more details though) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.199.44.226 (talk • contribs) 01:55, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

For one, it's generally better to respond to a message left for you on your own talk page, rather than making a new section on the messenger's talk page.

For two, there's not really a point in noting that a Pokémon doesn't use its signature move; it's simply not what the developers intended on doing. Several moves can also not properly be integrated into Smash if taken directly from the source material; Hydro Pump, for example, does no damage.

This is a minor thing, but for three, it's "many", not "meany". Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 02:21, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

Sorry, I did not know if it would notify you if I answered since I don't currently have an account. Also, the "many", not "meany" was atuocorrent. I accidentally atuocorrented it when I was making sure the spelling mistakes were gone. I guess if they signature moves were to be mentioned, it would be in its bio or origin. That said, I'm not going to do that. 47.199.44.226 (talk • contribs) 03:59, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

There are ways of being notified otherwise. Also, again, minor thing, but I believe "autocorrect", not "atuocorrent", is the word you're looking for. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 10:55, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

Can I ask, when you say "Only 11 Poke Ball Pokemon that do have them use them, while only 12 of the ones in Smash don't use them.", what do you mean exactly? My understanding of it is that out of 80 Poké Ball Pokémon, 23 of them have signature moves, and of those 23, 11 of them use them in their appearance while the other 12 do not. In that case, the majority of Poké Ball Pokémon that have signature moves aren't using them, which is the opposite of "uncommon", don't you think? I know your point was that it's uncommon overall, but if a Pokémon doesn't have a signature move to use in the first place, they shouldn't really be factored in.

Additionally, I feel that it's not really about percentage so much as numbers. If there were, say, 3 Pokémon with signature moves that don't use them, that might make it a more notable fact; but when it's a number like 12, it's not really notable because even if it's a minority (which it isn't if you only count the relevant Pokémon), it's still a sizable bunch and so the point just becomes an uninteresting observation about a chunk of the group. Dr. HyperCake (talk) 07:11, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

I see your point. Maybe instead of stating whether or not a Pokémon does not use it, maybe just mentioning that "11 of the Poké Ball Pokémon use their Signature Move when summoned" on the Poké Ball's trivia page would work? Sure, it doesn't say how many have one, but it would take note how many that actually use them. Or it could say "11 out of 23"? It would say how many don't use it. What do you guys think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.199.44.226 (talk • contribs) 13:45, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

With the way you're wording it, it makes it seem like it's too specific. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 17:27, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

I think it'd be decent enough; a simple trivia point on the Poké Ball page sounds better to me compared to adding it to individual Pokémon articles. It might be better worded something like: "Of the 23 Poké Ball Pokémon that have signature moves, only 11 of them use their signature move in their appearance.". I don't think it's highly noteworthy trivia, but I don't think it's beneath mention either. Dr. HyperCake (talk) 08:33, 7 August 2018 (EDT)

Then I'll add what similar to what you said to the page then. 47.199.44.226 (talk • contribs) 09:23pm, 7 August 2018 (EDT)

"Nana follows Popo, so *unless the ICs are desynched*" (Ryu thing)

I did indeed meant that if the Ice Climbers get desynched, one way or another, I'd think Ryu would have a difficult time KOing Nana. Also, as I type this message, I realized that Ryu might also have trouble KOing a separated Luma (ie, Ryu dodges a Luma shot, and is in between Rosalina & Luma). Why exactly doesn't it belong on the article? Sorry, but I don't quite get your logic. Unowninator (talk) 21:16, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

Luma can be added, because he can be knocked away from Rosalina and won't actively try to return to her. However, most of the time, Nana is with Popo, so, realistically speaking, you wouldn't be trying to hit her from behind, since she'd be with Popo and thus turn Ryu around. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 23:12, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

Okay, and what about breakable items & opponent's Assist Trophies? (Sorry, I forgot to ask about that the first time). Thanks. Unowninator (talk) 23:35, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

Those, again, are items, not characters. They do not affect Ryu's position. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 00:06, 7 August 2018 (EDT)

Okay, just so we're clear, Ryu can't attack what's behind him, right? So let's say he's fighting Little Mac, and Little Mac gets Waluigi's assistance. If Ryu's in between the two, he can't attack Waluigi. Because that's my point from the start, and I don't know how to explain it any better than this example. Unowninator (talk) 00:16, 7 August 2018 (EDT)

Except he can, with his back aerial (which is now usable), as well as any other attack since he can reposition himself so that the character that will never be playable Waluigi is between him and Little Mac. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 01:41, 7 August 2018 (EDT)

I meant with Smash Attacks. Anyway, I give up. Unowninator (talk) 11:24, 7 August 2018 (EDT)

Edit warring on the Cloud (SSB4) and MkLeo pages

I can't access Discord due to being on a Wii U, but I figured I should point out the edit warring that's been going on in these two pages, with Raygo seemingly not having any legitimate justification for his edits. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 08:06, 8 August 2018 (EDT)