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| [[File:Link_BotW.png|thumb|150px|This image is being stored.]]I'm here to help out at least until SSB5 is released. So yeah, hi.
| | Yeah, no, this place still isn't worth the stress. As usual, I'm allowing myself to hinder my credibility by forcing arguments that have no productive or relevant usage for the principle of it when it is beyond clear that the powers that be have no intention of changing their ways. |
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| I'm picky with grammar, formatting, and consistency and can be pretty stubborn about them in a one-on-one debate (though I'll generally relent when I'm clearly outnumbered). I think it is very important as an encyclopedia that we present ourselves in a professional manner and these three aspects are some of the best ways to accomplish (or ruin) that image. | | While treading as lightly as possible to avoid this getting deleted under grounds of violating [[SW:NPA]], I would like to, one last time, state my strongest issues with this community as it stands in hopes that someone with more ability to change things than I will read it and make a difference. |
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| Also, the Oxford comma is always right. Sorry.
| | Simply put, this wiki is a massive, toxic, high school clique. |
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| ==Things I'd like to see in ''Ultimate''==
| | Admins are judged not on their leadership skills but instead how well they fit in. Users consistently solve issues are denounced for being rude or troublemakers when all they do is stand up for what they believe in, while users who consistently cause issues are praised for their ideologies that match the crowd. (This paragraph was made with no particular admins in mind but instead a generalization of what I've seen from several RFAs -- that said, if you thought before reading this sentence that you knew who I was speaking of, it may be a sign that you need to change your perspective.) |
| ===Fighters===
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| Given ''Ultimate''{{'}}s focus on veterans and Sakurai himself stating that there will be fewer newcomers than usual, it takes a different point of view to give a reasonable wishlist/prediction than a typical ''Smash'' game. Usually, Sakurai emphasizes other aspects (such as moveset potential, representation of Nintendo as a whole, and his personal like for them) over popularity; however, much like the DLC for ''Smash 4'', he is more likely to focus on popularity in order to make more fans happy since there will be overall fewer newcomers. The three newcomers already confirmed (as well as some deconfirmed characters) give an indication as to what he is focusing on:
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| *'''Shoe-Ins''': Characters that the roster seems empty without, a la {{SSBU|Inkling}}. These characters aren't necessarily highly requested -- but it's because everyone just expects them to be automatically included.
| | The core members of the community have apparently decided that the more menial rules do not apply to them, breaking ones such as [[SW:1RV]] with loose justifications and citing other technicalities in policies to avoid having to properly argue their point, then turning around and breaking the same policies when it benefits them. The admins, having been either groomed or terrorized into agreeing with this train of thought, do nothing about it and hand out harsh warning and even blocks like Oprah handing out cars when new users get in the way of established users' reigns. |
| *'''Wow Factor''': Characters that have the fans shrieking -- some in joy, some in terror -- a la {{SSBU|Ridley}}. These characters have caused quite a bit of debate in the past as to whether or not they are reasonable, or perhaps they haven't even been requested because everyone is too afraid of being disappointed.
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| *'''Easy''': AKA clones, a la {{SSBU|Daisy}}. These characters don't require much effort at all and could be added at the last second just to buff up the roster. It helps if they come with some popularity -- like Daisy -- but they may beat out other, more popular characters -- like Waluigi.
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| We also now know that the game was being planned during development of Smash 4's DLC (I believe Sakurai said sometime in mid-to-late 2015?). Because the roster is one of the first things decided, this likely rules out:
| | I've yet to see a single user on this site fully admit they were wrong. Usually, when rebuffed in an argument, they either drop out of the discussion fully, leaving it to either die or be resolved by someone else, or will claim a flimsy excuse. Even when the excuse changes very little, it's as if people have an inability to say "whoops. yep, I was wrong." They have to say "I must have been doing [x] when that was said." or "I didn't watch that part of the video." The latter way of getting out of accepting fault is less damaging than the former, but is a sign of arrogance -- "I cannot be mistaken, so there must have been a reason." |
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| *'''ARMS'''. Even if ARMS was already in development, it would be too risky as a new IP for Sakurai to put effort into.
| | As touched upon above, rules are only followed when they benefit the user citing them. Speculation is fine unless it was added by someone else. The policy doesn't ''outright'' state that, but it's heavily implied. Sure, it's technically a guideline, but people follow it like a rule anyway, so you should, too. I was only reverting him again because he didn't give me a good reason; it wasn't ''really'' an edit war. |
| *'''Xenoblade Chronicles 2'''. Similarly, Xenoblade Chronicles was a relatively lesser-known game prior to Smash 4, so it would be hard to predict how successful its sequel would be.
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| *'''Super Mario Odyssey'''. Not that there are a lot of fighter options anyway, but we already know it hasn't impacted Mario's moveset significantly, indicating Sakurai did not consider it during early planning.
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| *And potentially '''Breath of the Wild'''. However, Breath of the Wild has been in development for so long and Zelda is popular enough that I wouldn't completely rule it out. It did, after all, heavily influence Link, so Sakurai was pretty aware of it.
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| I feel like several potential newcomers can be taken from the Assist Trophies shown off -- or rather, ''not'' shown off. There seemed to be a lot of emphasis on demonstrating popular fighter choices (Waluigi was a particular punch to the gut, but we also saw Bomberman, Midna, Ghirahim, Krystal, Lyn, and Takamaru, who have all had their spotlights in the prediction games before), but several were conspicuously absent:
| | Despite [https://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki:Administrators#Administrators_are_not_kings not being kings], there is a seemingly unspoken rule that certain admins are not to be questioned. Users will almost always blindly agree with them. However, other admins do not hold the same power and will be endlessly derided for stating disagreement. (This comment was made with specific admins in mind.) |
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| *'''[[Shadow the Hedgehog]]''': Honestly, this is the one I'm most suspicious of, and that's coming from someone who absolutely <u>''does not''</u> want to see Shadow -- or any other secondary Sonic characters -- as a fighter. However, not only was Shadow absent from E3, but they also have been showing off Knuckles, a new Sonic Assist Trophy, quite a bit. While it's possible we could see two Sonic Assist Trophies, it would be a first (granted, having two playable Sonic characters would be, too) and I see no reason to keep Shadow a secret. Even if he wasn't ready to be seen in gameplay, it seems to me that he would be shown in some of Sonic's screenshots. Additionally, as one of the most popular Sonic characters, Shadow would bring a huge amount of "'''Wow Factor'''" and, although I would be very shocked if he were a clone, his attributes are similar enough to Sonic that he may even count as "'''Easy'''" compared to other characters.
| | A slightly outdated one, but I've seen policies be implemented seemingly with the sole purpose of weeding out users who do not fit the core community's ideals. Users are harshly treated and blocked for honest mistakes simply because a few key users don't feel like bothering cleaning up after them and properly teaching them. Users are discouraged from increasing the quality of certain elements of the wiki because it's not productive enough and creates too much work for the admins. |
| *'''[[Ashley]]''': I've never really understood her popularity, but hey, it exists. She'd also be a nice representative of the surprisingly lacking "magic users" category. I'm not convinced she carries enough "'''Wow Factor'''" to actually stand a chance, but she deserves a mention.
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| *'''[[Dark Samus]]''': I think Ridley has probably stolen any chances Dark Samus had, but again, she deserves a mention. Like Shadow, she probably would not be a clone, but she may be similar enough to qualify as "'''Easy'''" and carries a bit of "'''Wow Factor'''".
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| *'''[[Dillon]]''': Dillon was considered a "'''Shoe-In'''" for Smash 4, but does that still carry now? I'm not convinced, but again, he deserves a mention.
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| *'''[[Isaac]]''': This one is the easiest to explain away since he wasn't an Assist Trophy in Smash 4, but he has reached almost memetic standards of popularity much like Ridley. That carries quite a bit of "'''Wow Factor'''".
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| *'''[[Isabelle]]''': This one is more my personal hope than anything, but come on -- how in the world do you justify saying she wasn't ready to be shown off or is being kept a secret? She's probably one of the easiest Assist Trophies to program and is hardly a surprise. And she could be an "'''Easy'''" clone of Villager.
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| *'''[[Phosphora]]''': Another one I don't quite understand, but she's apparently a really popular Kid Icarus character. And unlike Viridi, she comes with a moveset. Her "'''Wow Factor'''" isn't great, but we know Sakurai favors his own series, so that might give her an edge.
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| *'''[[Skull Kid]]''': I'd definitely like to see him get in, but I'm wary. It seems like Sakurai would be more likely to favor Midna or Ghirahim. Not to mention Skull Kid doesn't have much moveset potential -- in fact, his Assist Trophy role was pretty arbitrary, so it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they're keeping him a secret because he'll have a new function (dropping the Moon on us like a Peach's Castle Banzai Bill?) or are cutting him entirely.
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| *'''[[Tingle]]''': Okay, um... no. He comes with a "'''Wow Factor'''" but I think it's the wrong kind, tbh. Also, he's probably only absent because of [[Great Bay]]. But I felt obliged to mention him.
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| As for other characters that may be possible:
| | Many users do not feel the need to give any reasoning at all. Edits can be made with summaries as simple as "Really?" or "Nope." and what is anyone going to do about it? Revert them? Yeah, that would be a violation of SW:1RV, so don't you ''dare'' think about it. (And if you do, expect to be reverted back. They obviously couldn't let that injustice stand.) When questioned on this decision, they will usually completely ignore the comment, never participating in any discussion on whether or not their edit was proper. The edit stands, regardless of its accuracy, because removing it would be a violation of SW:1RV. |
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| *'''Simon Belmont''': I'm a little influenced by all of the leaks, but I do think he has a pretty good chance. I feel like we would have gotten Bomberman if they weren't considering Simon at all. But Simon definitely has the "'''Wow Factor'''".
| | And yet, despite all of it, this remains one of the most accurate and easy-to-read wikis out there. It's honestly impressive how such a dysfunctional community can somehow manage to function. |
| *'''Crash Bandicoot''', '''Banjo & Kazooie''', and '''Steve''': These are also incredibly likely third-party characters with a good amount of "'''Wow Factor'''". I'm leaning towards Crash or Banjo, but there are the leaks that say Steve is coming. I don't know how I'd feel about that yet.
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| *'''Shovel Knight''' and '''Shantae''': Probably the most likely indie characters as well as the ones with the most "'''Wow Factor'''". I think Shovel Knight is more of a "'''Shoe-In'''" while Shantae is more wow.
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| *'''A new Pokemon''': This is probably the next most "'''Shoe-In'''" after Inkling. We've had a Pokemon from the newest generation in every game, I think the roster would feel incomplete without one. I think Decidueye has an advantage over my previous choice of Mimikyu due to its popularity, but I'm still crossing my fingers for Mimikyu to finally share the spotlight with Pikachu. And as for the development starting well before Sun & Moon was released -- they did the same thing with Greninja in Smash 4.
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| *'''Bandana Waddle Dee''' and '''Viridi''': These balance "'''Shoe-In'''" status with Sakurai's personal favoritism. Bandana Waddle Dee has the advantage of having an easy moveset, while Viridi was actually created by Sakurai. Which means both will probably lose to someone like Phosphora, or maybe Medusa or Hades, who have both aspects. Ah well.
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| *'''Celica''': Look, I'm not giving up on this. Sakurai previously broke from his solely-popular character mold during Smash 4 DLC by including Corrin, which was pretty risky, and Celica has already proven to be pretty popular. And like the Pokemon character, the development time doesn't matter as much because Sakurai took both Roy and Corrin pre-launch. And also like Pokemon, we've gotten a new Fire Emblem character in every game since Melee. I think Celica -- at least slightly -- qualifies for "'''Shoe-In'''" status. Also, she would still have quite a bit in common with Robin even if she's not a clone, so she gets the "'''Easy'''" tag as well.
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| *'''King K. Rool''', '''Geno''', and '''Rayman''': These characters are borderline memetically requested, just like Ridley, which qualifies them for a pretty strong '''"Wow Factor"'''. Geno and Rayman probably stand a better chance than K. Rool, and I think Sakurai has even stated that he considered Geno once, so I'm kind of hyped for that possibility. Square, please play nice.
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| *'''Mipha''': She's borderline "'''Shoe-In'''" status thanks to her popularity, but her lack of moveset still bugs me.
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| *'''Blood Falcon''', '''Urbosa''', and '''Dixie Kong''': I'd say these are the next three most likely clones, after Alph who's already confirmed to be a costume (which kind of confuses me but oh well), making them "'''Easy'''" choices. Dixie and Urbosa come with a bit more popularity while Blood Falcon would get some wow because of F-Zero's newfound obscurity, so I'm not comfortable making a prediction on which are the most likely.
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| | Is there a way to undo the toxicity that has seeped into this website? Honestly, I doubt it. Obviously, [[Talk:Birdo|it's not by trying to determine Birdo's gender]]. I'm not certain that even self-awareness can help (even if I doubt any of the users who fit the descriptions I gave above will read through this whole thing, much less take it to heart) -- old habits die hard, after all, and very few of the above actions seem to be made with [[zeldawiki:Malice|malice]]. It's more like latent arrogance, or even cluelessness. But it creates for an unbearably negative atmosphere that I can't, in good conscience, expose myself to. |
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| | I have no intention of locking myself out of my account this time -- seeing as that got me banned for sockpuppetry and stirring up drama last time -- so I will likely pop back in whenever there's a new announcement related to ''Ultimate'' to fill in some basic information, fix up grammar and formatting, and upload any images I can get my hands on. Talk pages and recent changes, however, will be a strict no for me. My hardheadedness can't bear seeing an argument without tossing my two cents at it. |
| *'''Decidueye'''
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| *'''Celica'''
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| *'''Phosphora'''
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| *'''Shadow the Hedgehog'''
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| *'''Simon Belmont'''
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| *'''Dixie Kong<sup>ε</sup>'''
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| *'''Blood Falcon<sup>ε</sup>'''
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| *'''Isabelle<sup>ε</sup>'''
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| ...which would give us 12 newcomers, four of which are clones. I don't think that's an unreasonable number -- it also comes with the benefit of being equal to the Original 12 and giving a sense of coming full circle, just saying -- and I feel as though most people would be more-or-less satisfied with a roster that looks something like this.
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| ===Stages===
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| *'''New Donk City''': A traveling stage a la (and likely replacing) Delfino Plaza. It would start on the festival stage, where Pauline and the New Donk Players are. If the current music track is Jump Up, Super Star!, Pauline will be singing along; otherwise, she'll just be standing in the background and watching. Some landmarks it could stop at are in front of town hall, the helipad where the Odyssey lands, the pool on the ceiling, and Mayor Pauline Commemorative Park (where the remains of Mecha-Wiggler could be found and bounced on), among others.
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| *'''Bowser's Airship''': Finally, a home stage for Bowser! This could either be a side-scrolling stage, or a simple stage similar to Pirate Ship. Either way, Rocky Wrenches, Bullet Bills, and/or Flamethrowers could appear as hazards. If stage bosses come back, Boom Boom could be one.
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| *'''Hyrule Castle''': Based on the version from Breath of the Wild, of course. Another traveling stage. Guardians could appear as hazards, while briefly stopping in one of the guard towers to fight a Lynel would be a neat touch.
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| *'''SR388''': The surface of SR388. Rocky terrain resembling the mouth of a cave on the left side of the screen, with a pool of purple liquid on the right side that will damage players. Alternatively, it could function like a classic Metroid stage and have the purple liquid rise and lower to damage players.
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| *'''Aether Paradise''': Fighters battle on the Aether Paradise dock, with water beneath them. Occasionally, Professor Kukui's boat will arrive to give another platform, but it will eventually leave. Various Pokemon and Aether employees appear in the background.
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| *'''Divine Terminus''': Lord Hyness's battlefield, but shrunken down to give it bottom blast lines. The red spikes in the background appear along the edge and will damage fighters who touch them. Hyness can be seen conducting his ceremony to rebuild the Jamba Heart in the background, with Francisca, Flamberge, and Zan Partizanne occasionally flying past as well.
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| *'''Inkopolis Tower''': A fight on top of Inkopolis Tower. Occasionally, the Great Zapfish will fall from the sky and wrap itself around the tower. If a fighter touches it, they will be electrocuted and knocked back slightly. Eventually, the Great Zapfish will be abducted by an Octarian UFO.
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| *'''Ram Village''': Outside of Mycen's house, which fighters can climb on. There's also an orange tree, which will occasionally drop oranges as food when attacked if items are turned on. Mycen's roof has a lower portion by the door as well as an upper portion and is made up of soft platforms. The stage has no lower blast lines.
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| *'''Sky Arena''': Max Brass's arena, with his giant head in the background looming over us all. The audience is removed, giving the stage bottom blast lines. The center is slightly raised above the edges, which have railings. The Max Brass statue stretches out over the stage enough to be stood on as a semi-soft platform.
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| *'''Remix''': A Rhythm Heaven stage that functions similarly to WarioWare, Inc. The main fight happens on a fairly basic stage in the art style of the game, with fighters being taken into well-known Rhythm Heaven minigames. Unlike WarioWare, however, instead of completing the task to get a reward, they must dodge the characters in the game. For example, if they're pulled into Fan Club, the monkeys will damage them by clapping.
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| *'''Snipperclips''': At first a stage with no lower blast lines, the center part of the platform is made up of the purple paper that Snip and Clip must cut through in Make the Cut levels, which will slowly be broken away as attacks hit it. Occasionally, something will fall from the top center of the stage: slime, which will fill any holes in the paper or slide around the top of the stage, slowing down fighters that get stuck in it; a bowling ball, which will break through the paper and meteor smash any fighters underneath it; a basketball, which will bounce in place but can be attacked to fly hazardously around the stage; a pencil, which will fall over and bury fighters that it hits; or a hamster in a ball, who will roll offscreen in a random direction, damaging any fighters he hits. An exclamation point will appear before anything falls. Snip and Clip can be seen in the background in random shapes.
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| *'''Tetris''': Players fight in a giant Tetris puzzle as blocks fall from the sky. If a fighter is crushed by a block, they will be dealt damage and buried. Blocks can be attacked to be destroyed, or will disappear when an entire row is filled like in normal Tetris.
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| *'''[[Brinstar Depths]]'''
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| *'''[[Dream Land (SSB4)]]'''
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| *'''[[Fountain of Dreams]]'''
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| *'''[[Gamer]]'''
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| *'''[[Mute City (SSB4)]]'''
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| *'''[[Pac-Maze]]'''
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| *'''[[Paper Mario]]'''
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| *'''[[Pirate Ship]]'''
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| *'''[[Poké Floats]]'''
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| *'''[[Rainbow Cruise]]'''
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| *'''[[Woolly World]]'''
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| *'''[[Yoshi's Island (SSBM)]]'''
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| *I'd love to see some form of the fake-leaked '''Tower of Smash''' from Smash 4.
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| *'''Smash Run''', with the ability to interact with other players like in City Trial, would be welcome back.
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| *Please make '''Classic Mode''' actually function like 1P Mode from SSB. That is, after all, why it's called ''Classic'' Mode.
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| *I wouldn't mind another '''Adventure Mode'''.
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| *While a serious long-shot, the '''Breidablik''' would be an interesting Poke Ball- and Assist Trophy-like item specifically for the ''Fire Emblem'' series. There are a number of secondary characters who would never make it as fighters but could be effective and unique assist characters.
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| *The '''Bug Net''' or '''Fishing Rod''' from ''Animal Crossing'' could be a neat way to give all fighters access to longer-range grabs.
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| *One or all of the '''Rods''' from ''The Legend of Zelda'' (specifically as they appear in ''Breath of the Wild'') would be neat.
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| *Depending on how Inkling's moveset works, there are lots of item options from ''Splatoon''. The various '''Bomb''' subweapons would work, or simply a '''Splattershot''' or even a '''Roller''' to bury your opponents.
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| Make it possible to turn on/off certain summons! Please!
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| ====Pokemon====
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| *'''Diancie''' could use Diamond Storm to rain sharp diamonds down on the stage. They wouldn't be able to go through platforms, making her particularly deadly on Final Destination and Omega forms.
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| *'''Hoopa''' could use Hyperspace Hole to block off the blastlines, causing launched players to either loop around the stage or just reverse directions (if there are no bottom blastlines).
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| *'''Litten''' could function identically to [[Fennekin]].
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| *'''Grubbin''' uses Dig to hide under a platform like a Pitfall, but when a character steps on them, they are paralyzed by Spark instead of buried.
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| *'''Wishiwashi''' flops uselessly on the stage like [[Goldeen]] at first, but if attacked, it will change into its School Form and attack all fighters.
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| *'''Bewear''': uses Bind, grabbing onto a random opponent and attempting to drag them off-screen a la [[Nabbit]].
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| *'''Tsareena''': uses Trop Kick, functioning identically to [[Waluigi]].
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| *'''Turtonator''': uses Shell Trap, exploding upon being touched.
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| *'''Necrozma''': uses Photon Geyser, which is a massive pillar of light in the middle of the screen, catching and damaging everyone caught in it.
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| *'''Nabbit''': works identically to as a stage hazard.
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| *'''Kamek''': sprinkles his magic over the fight a la Yoshi's Island, either:
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| **causing the summoner's opponents to shrink.
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| *Bring back '''Resetti''', please.
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| *'''Katrina''': creates a tarot card, with different results:
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| **Red card with black circle: the summoner starts tripping randomly.
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| **Blue card with black circle: the opponents start tripping randomly.
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| **Red card with white circle: the opponents are healed slightly.
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| **Blue card with white circle: the summoner is healed slightly.
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| *'''Yiga Blademaster''': stands in one place and swings his Windcleaver, not only dealing knockback to anyone he hits but also launching gusts of wind.
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| *'''Azura''': sings and dances, boosting the stats of the summoner and their teammates.
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| *'''Polar Bear''': walks around, causing earthquakes when it jumps.
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| *'''Palla, Catria, & Est''': use their Triangle Attack, Palla and Catria coming from the top corners of the screen and Est coming from the middle bottom.
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| *'''Delthea''': uses Aura, creating white rings of light that chase enemies like weaker [[Blue Shell]]s.
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| *'''Arden''': moves slowly towards an opponent, swinging his sword for massive damage and knockback if anyone moves into his range.
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| *'''Lilina''': uses Forblaze to create two pillars of fire on either side of her.
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| *'''Eirika''': stands in place and does a few sword moves, which trap and deal quite a bit of damage but not much knockback.
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| *'''Lyn''': same as usual.
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| *'''Micaiah''': creates a thin pillar of light around her, healing anyone inside of it. The summoner and their teammates heal slightly faster.
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| *'''Nowi''': transforms into a dragon and starts storming around the stage.
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| *'''Azura''': same as above.
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| ==={{SSBU|Ridley}}===
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| *'''Pit''': Um... Lady Palutena, didn't this guy used to be... bigger?
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| *'''Palutena''': That's Ridley, the draconic general of the Space Pirates. He murdered [[Samus Aran]]'s parents and they've been rivals ever since.
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| *'''Palutena''': Although... you're right. He does seem to have shrunken quite a bit since last time. I wonder why.
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| *'''Viridi''': Uh, duh! Isn't it obvious?
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| *'''Viridi''': Ridley's been DYING to get into this fight so that he can settle his score with Samus!
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| *'''Viridi''': How ridiculous would it be to see him fighting us at his full size?
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| *'''Palutena''': I suppose that's as good a theory as any.
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| *'''Palutena''': Regardless of his physical size, he's still a massive threat. Don't let your guard down, Pit.
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| ==={{SSBU|Inkling}}===
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| *'''Pit''': Lady Palutena! That kid! It's a squid now!
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| *'''Palutena''': That's an Inkling. In a distant time when all humanity is wiped out, they've taken over what's left of their planet.
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| *'''Viridi''': Wait. You're saying humanity gets wiped out and replaced by squids?
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| *'''Viridi''': It's about time!
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| *'''Palutena''': Don't get too excited, Viridi. I've heard Inklings are just as carefree as humans.
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| *'''Palutena''': It seems they spend most of their time obsessing over fashion and a sport called "Turf Wars".
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| *'''Viridi''': Wars? Oh, come on! Pit, teach them a lesson!
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| *'''Pit''': I'll do my best!
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| ==={{SSBU|Daisy}}===
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| *'''Pit''': Did Peach get a haircut?
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| *'''Palutena''': That's not Peach. That's Daisy, the princess of Sarasaland.
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| *'''Palutena''': And you'd better hope she didn't hear you get them confused. I hear it's a bit of a sore spot for her.
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| *'''Pit''': Noted.
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| *'''Palutena''': Unlike Peach, Daisy has learned to defend herself from being kidnapped. Which should translate quite well into battle.
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| *'''Palutena''': I've heard her free spirit and surprising strength has even Bowser afraid of her.
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| *'''Pit''': Um... Lady Palutena, is she going to kill me?
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| *'''Palutena''': Hopefully not. Good luck, Pit!
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| ==={{SSBU|Young Link}}===
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| *'''Pit''': Why is Link a kid?
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| *'''Palutena''': That's Young Link, the future Hero of Time. Don't underestimate him because of his age. He's just as skilled with a sword as any other version of Link.
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| *'''Pit''': Got it. I feel kind of bad beating him up, though.
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| *'''Palutena''': Don't worry. He always keeps a bottle of milk around to patch himself back up.
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| *'''Pit''': Wait, always? Doesn't it spoil?
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| *'''Palutena''': Let's not think about it too hard.
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| ==={{SSBU|Wolf}}===
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| *'''Pit''': I've got to admit, Wolf has always scared me.
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| *'''Viridi''': As he should! He's a pretty fierce guy. And I'm sure missing out on the last battle hasn't put him in a good mood.
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| *'''Pit''': Gulp. Maybe if I fly away, he'll leave me alone.
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| *'''Palutena''': I wouldn't risk it. Just like Fox, Wolf leads his own team: Star Wolf. And they're always waiting to be called in for an airstrike.
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| *'''Pit''': That doesn't sound good.
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| *'''Viridi''': Just keep him away from the Smash Ball and you should be fine! Probably.
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| ==={{SSBU|Pichu}}===
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| *'''Pit''': Is that what a baby Pikachu looks like?
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| *'''Palutena''': It's actually called a Pichu, but in a way, yes.
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| *'''Pit''': It's so cute!
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| *'''Viridi''': Even in its unevolved form, it can already harness electricity! Incredible!
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| *'''Palutena''': Yes, well... It does come with one drawback.
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| *'''Pit''': What do you mean?
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| *'''Palutena''': Pichu hasn't quite mastered its electricity, so when it overcharges, it injures itself.
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| *'''Pit''': Oh no! Poor little guy.
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| *'''Palutena''': Don't feel too sorry for it, though. You'll end up giving it the advantage in battle!
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| ==={{SSBU|Mewtwo}}===
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| *'''Pit''': So that's Mewtwo, huh?
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| *'''Palutena''': That's right. It was created to be the ultimate Pokémon from Mew's DNA.
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| *'''Pit''': It's pretty freaky.
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| *'''Palutena''': And it's a master of Psychic and Dark-type moves. You'll have to keep a close eye on it to predict its movements.
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| *'''Palutena''': Well... not TOO close of an eye, or...
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| *'''Pit''': Or what?
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| *'''Palutena''': If you make eye contact with Mewtwo, it might use Disable, which will leave you stunned.
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| *'''Pit''': So I have to watch it... without looking at it?
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| *'''Palutena''': Exactly. Good luck.
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| ==={{SSBU|Pokémon Trainer}}===
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| *'''Viridi''': Ugh. What does that kid think he/she's doing, bossing those poor animals around like that?
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| *'''Palutena''': Well, he/she's a Pokémon Trainer. It's their job.
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| *'''Palutena''': The trainer and Pokémon must be in perfect harmony. It's a sort of symbiotic relationship, where the trainer guides and teaches the Pokémon while the Pokémon defends the trainer.
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| *'''Pit''': Okay, I get what you're saying, Lady Palutena, but didn't Charizard do just fine on its own last time?
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| *'''Palutena''': Well...
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| *'''Viridi''': Exactly! These Pokémon would be much better off free.
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| *'''Palutena''': I don't know about that. Each Pokémon is strong on their own, but there are always advantages to working together.
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| *'''Palutena''': Charizard may be strong, but it isn't fast. A good Pokémon Trainer will switch their Charizard out for a Pokémon like Squirtle when they see that it's cornered.
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| *'''Viridi''': Eh... maybe.
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| *'''Pit''': Wait, but if all of the Pokémon are different, how do I know what to prepare for?
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| *'''Palutena''': Just like always, Pit, you should prepare for anything.
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| *'''Pit''': I really don't like that answer...
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| ==={{SSBU|Lucas}}===
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| *'''Pit''': Hey! It's that magic kid!
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| *'''Palutena''': His name is Lucas, and he doesn't use magic. He uses PSI.
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| *'''Pit''': Riiiight. Well, it's good to see him back.
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| *'''Palutena''': I hear he's been working on his technique. He may be even stronger now.
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| *'''Pit''': Oh. That doesn't sound good for me.
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| *'''Palutena''': I'm sure you'll be fine. After all, you've been training, too, right?
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| *'''Pit''': Right. Yeah. Of course.
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| *'''Palutena''': Pit! Don't tell me you've been slacking off!
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| *'''Palutena''': Alright, as soon as we get back, I'll have to prepare you for my special boot camp!
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| *'''Pit''': Aw, not again!
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| ==={{SSBU|Ice Climbers}}===
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| *'''Pit''': Hey, Lady Palutena, I think we have a situation here!
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| *'''Palutena''': You mean the Ice Climbers?
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| *'''Pit''': Yeah! Isn't it a little unfair that there's two of them?
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| *'''Viridi''': Oh, come on! Are you saying you can't handle two little kids, Pit?
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| *'''Pit''': No! I mean...
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| *'''Palutena''': You can't underestimate them just because they're young.
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| *'''Palutena''': Popo and Nana have been training their entire lives to climb mountains for food. They're in peak physical shape.
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| *'''Pit''': Hey! Why don't one of you two come down and fight alongside me?
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| *'''Viridi''': Yeah... no. Have fun, Pit.
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| *'''Palutena''': The Ice Climbers rely on each other to fight. If you focus on one of them at a time, you'll find it much easier.
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| *'''Pit''': Oh, fine.
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| ==={{SSBU|Roy}}===
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| *'''Pit''': Lady Palutena! This guy's sword is on fire!
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| *'''Palutena''': That's Roy. The sword he's wielding is called the Binding Blade or the Sword of Seals.
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| *'''Pit''': If I get too close to it, will my wings melt off?
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| *'''Palutena''': I don't think so.
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| *'''Palutena''': You might not want to get close to it anyway, though. It packs quite a punch. And unlike Marth's Falchion, it's stronger near the hilt.
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| *'''Pit''': Got it. Stay as far away as possible.
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| *'''Pit''': So I'll want to... focus on using my bow for this one?
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| *'''Palutena''': Sure, but don't use it too much or you'll get predictable.
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| *'''Pit''': Right... Man, this fighting thing sure is hard.
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| ==={{SSBU|Corrin}}===
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| *'''Pit''': It seems like a bad idea to go into battle without shoes.
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| *'''Viridi''': Right? Humans can be so ridiculous.
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| *'''Palutena''': Actually, Corrin is half-dragon.
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| *'''Pit''': Wait, what?
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| *'''Palutena''': He/She can even transform just parts of his/her body into a dragon, like arms.
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| *'''Palutena''': But his/her full dragon form is especially powerful, so be careful.
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| *'''Pit''': Okay, got it. But seriously... why doesn't he/she wear shoes?
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| *'''Palutena''': Don't you think you should focus on the battle instead of asking questions?
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| *'''Pit''': Good point.
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| ==={{SSBU|Snake}}===
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| *'''Pit''': Lady Palutena! It's Snake!
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| *'''Colonel''': What? Who are you? What are you doing on this channel?
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| *'''Pit''': Channel? What? Where's Lady Palutena?
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| *'''Colonel''': I don't know who you're talking about.
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| *'''Colonel''': Hold on... Are you fighting Snake right now?
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| *'''Pit''': Um, yes. I was hoping to get some advice on how to beat him.
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| *'''Colonel''': You don't stand a chance. Snake has a large arsenal of weaponry available to him. What do you have? A bow?
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| *'''Pit''': Well... it can split into swords, too!
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| *'''Colonel''': I see. Good luck, kid.
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| *'''Pit''': Great... Now I'm even more worried than I usually am...
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| '''Note''': Snake's Codec Conversation for Palutena would have her talk to him much like Colonel to Pit.
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| ==={{SSBU|Ryu}}===
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| *'''Pit''': Man. This guy's super buff.
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| *'''Palutena''': That's Ryu. He follows an intense training regimen to get all of that muscle.
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| *'''Pit''': Why does he need to be so strong?
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| *'''Palutena''': Well, let's just say this isn't his first fight.
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| *'''Pit''': Of course not... Okay, so how do I beat him?
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| *'''Palutena''': You'll want to stay far away to avoid strong moves like Shoryuken.
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| *'''Pit''': Sure, I can do that.
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| *'''Palutena''': But he can also use a Hadoken projectile, so don't get too comfortable far away.
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| *'''Pit''': So basically... I should just always be careful?
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| *'''Palutena''': Exactly.
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| ==={{SSBU|Cloud}}===
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| *'''Pit''': Whoa, it's Cloud! I never expected to see someone like him here.
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| *'''Palutena''': I'm sure a lot of people were surprised. It's certainly interesting to see him go head-to-head with stars like Mario and Link.
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| *'''Pit''': Hey!
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| *'''Palutena''': Oh, and you too, of course.
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| *'''Pit''': Yeah, thanks.
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| *'''Palutena''': You'll want to keep a close eye on his Limit Gauge, which charges up as he attacks and takes damage.
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| *'''Palutena''': He can also stop and charge it manually, which leaves him vulnerable to a counterattack.
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| *'''Pit''': So strike while he's charging. Got it.
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| *'''Pit''': Uh, what happens if he fills the meter?
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| *'''Palutena''': He'll be able to land a painful finishing touch with one of his attacks. So if he starts to glow blue, run.
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| ==={{SSBU|Bayonetta}}===
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| *'''Pit''': Oh no, not you!
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| *'''Bayonetta''': Mm, cheeky, aren't we? I'd watch my mouth if I were you.
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| *'''Palutena''': Bayonetta. You're as confident as ever, I see.
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| *'''Bayonetta''': Forgive me for not being afraid of you. I've faced stronger angels before.
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| *'''Pit''': Hey!
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| *'''Palutena''': Don't listen to her, Pit. Bayonetta is a powerhouse, so you'll have to be cautious as you look for an opening.
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| *'''Bayonetta''': And if you get too close, I'll just call on a friend to help take you down.
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| *'''Pit''': What does she mean by that?
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| *'''Palutena''': She's referring to her Wicked Weaves, which summon the demon Madama Butterfly for a devastating blow.
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| *'''Pit''': Oh. Great.
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| *'''Bayonetta''': And you can't forget Witch Time. If you manage to corner me, I'll just slow down time and strike back.
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| *'''Pit''': Does she have any weaknesses?!
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| *'''Palutena''': I'm sure you'll find one, Pit. Good luck.
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Yeah, no, this place still isn't worth the stress. As usual, I'm allowing myself to hinder my credibility by forcing arguments that have no productive or relevant usage for the principle of it when it is beyond clear that the powers that be have no intention of changing their ways.
While treading as lightly as possible to avoid this getting deleted under grounds of violating SW:NPA, I would like to, one last time, state my strongest issues with this community as it stands in hopes that someone with more ability to change things than I will read it and make a difference.
Simply put, this wiki is a massive, toxic, high school clique.
Admins are judged not on their leadership skills but instead how well they fit in. Users consistently solve issues are denounced for being rude or troublemakers when all they do is stand up for what they believe in, while users who consistently cause issues are praised for their ideologies that match the crowd. (This paragraph was made with no particular admins in mind but instead a generalization of what I've seen from several RFAs -- that said, if you thought before reading this sentence that you knew who I was speaking of, it may be a sign that you need to change your perspective.)
The core members of the community have apparently decided that the more menial rules do not apply to them, breaking ones such as SW:1RV with loose justifications and citing other technicalities in policies to avoid having to properly argue their point, then turning around and breaking the same policies when it benefits them. The admins, having been either groomed or terrorized into agreeing with this train of thought, do nothing about it and hand out harsh warning and even blocks like Oprah handing out cars when new users get in the way of established users' reigns.
I've yet to see a single user on this site fully admit they were wrong. Usually, when rebuffed in an argument, they either drop out of the discussion fully, leaving it to either die or be resolved by someone else, or will claim a flimsy excuse. Even when the excuse changes very little, it's as if people have an inability to say "whoops. yep, I was wrong." They have to say "I must have been doing [x] when that was said." or "I didn't watch that part of the video." The latter way of getting out of accepting fault is less damaging than the former, but is a sign of arrogance -- "I cannot be mistaken, so there must have been a reason."
As touched upon above, rules are only followed when they benefit the user citing them. Speculation is fine unless it was added by someone else. The policy doesn't outright state that, but it's heavily implied. Sure, it's technically a guideline, but people follow it like a rule anyway, so you should, too. I was only reverting him again because he didn't give me a good reason; it wasn't really an edit war.
Despite not being kings, there is a seemingly unspoken rule that certain admins are not to be questioned. Users will almost always blindly agree with them. However, other admins do not hold the same power and will be endlessly derided for stating disagreement. (This comment was made with specific admins in mind.)
A slightly outdated one, but I've seen policies be implemented seemingly with the sole purpose of weeding out users who do not fit the core community's ideals. Users are harshly treated and blocked for honest mistakes simply because a few key users don't feel like bothering cleaning up after them and properly teaching them. Users are discouraged from increasing the quality of certain elements of the wiki because it's not productive enough and creates too much work for the admins.
Many users do not feel the need to give any reasoning at all. Edits can be made with summaries as simple as "Really?" or "Nope." and what is anyone going to do about it? Revert them? Yeah, that would be a violation of SW:1RV, so don't you dare think about it. (And if you do, expect to be reverted back. They obviously couldn't let that injustice stand.) When questioned on this decision, they will usually completely ignore the comment, never participating in any discussion on whether or not their edit was proper. The edit stands, regardless of its accuracy, because removing it would be a violation of SW:1RV.
And yet, despite all of it, this remains one of the most accurate and easy-to-read wikis out there. It's honestly impressive how such a dysfunctional community can somehow manage to function.
Is there a way to undo the toxicity that has seeped into this website? Honestly, I doubt it. Obviously, it's not by trying to determine Birdo's gender. I'm not certain that even self-awareness can help (even if I doubt any of the users who fit the descriptions I gave above will read through this whole thing, much less take it to heart) -- old habits die hard, after all, and very few of the above actions seem to be made with malice. It's more like latent arrogance, or even cluelessness. But it creates for an unbearably negative atmosphere that I can't, in good conscience, expose myself to.
I have no intention of locking myself out of my account this time -- seeing as that got me banned for sockpuppetry and stirring up drama last time -- so I will likely pop back in whenever there's a new announcement related to Ultimate to fill in some basic information, fix up grammar and formatting, and upload any images I can get my hands on. Talk pages and recent changes, however, will be a strict no for me. My hardheadedness can't bear seeing an argument without tossing my two cents at it.
So yeah.
Bye.
TheNuttyOne 20:33, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
