Talk:Super Smash Bros. Ultimate/Archive 1

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Day 1 notes

Various miscellaneous observations while I'm at work:

• The official website (smashbros.com) is now reworked into a site for the Switch installment with a layout similar to the 3DS/Wii U site. The old SSB4 content seems to be moved to a new subdomain but isn't live there yet (check the bottom right corner).
• Sakurai tweeted out the announcement trailer but his specific level of involvement is not yet confirmed.
• We should be cautious with identifying characters from their silhouettes in the trailer; they're probably obvious but we should hedge accordingly ("silhouettes resembling X, Y, and Z are in the trailer" as opposed to "X, Y, and Z are confirmed playable").

Sorry for the impromptu notes here, but I thought they should be noted somewhere and I can't be on Discord to coordinate at the moment. Miles (talk) 18:02, 8 March 2018 (EST)

the link is just bugged Serpent  King 18:08, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Sakurai's involvement is confirmed apparently. 24.12.185.109 19:26, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Protect page?

For... obvious reasons, full protection might be in order here. I believe we full-protected the SSB4 articles before release, so we should do the same for SSB Switch. Bwburke94 (talk) 18:49, 8 March 2018 (EST)

I feel like full protection wouldn't be necessary as of right now (considering nothing problematic has happened yet in terms of edit warring), and the page as it is right now was basically created by non-admins. If people started repeatedly adding false information, then protection would probably be necessary. Awesome Cardinal 2000 18:56, 8 March 2018 (EST)

Fucks Sake It Is A New Instalment And Link Is In His Breath Of The Wild Design

It Is Smash 5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.74.131 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 8 March 2018 (EST)

We appreciate the thought, but this is improper use of a talk page. Aidan, the Rurouni 22:39, 8 March 2018 (EST)

There is no evident proof that it is completely new. It could be an "enhanced port" which could be considered a "half-sequel". So please calm down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yagamilite (talk • contribs) 23:57, 13 March 2018

its true. its a new game.

"whether this is a new title or a port of a previous game is unknown"

So, based on the nature of the release trailer, Sakurai's tweets, and zero lack of indication otherwise, would it be safe to assume that this is a completely new game and not a reinstallment of an old game on the Switch? (The News template has this line and I think it's unnecessary.) Awesome Cardinal 2000 02:23, 9 March 2018 (EST)

Given that the idea of Smash on Switch being an extended version of the 3DS/Wii U version has been very common among fans for a long time (influenced by the number of other Wii U ports that have functioned similarly such as Tropical Freeze, MK8, Pokken, even Captain Toad as of this Direct), I feel it's a warranted statement of ambiguity until we see actual gameplay. Miles (talk) 02:53, 9 March 2018 (EST)

I think it is important for us to see more before we say it's not a port. If we are even willing to say Inklings are not offically confirmed as playable, then why not be as careful overall? It likely could be in a grey area- perhaps with the Smash 4 engine and such. RobSir zx 08:09, 9 March 2018 (EST)

We don't have to explicitly say that it isn't a port, but because there's no evidence to indicate that it is, we shouldn't introduce the conflict as though there is evidence for both sides. 73.147.234.34 20:46, 10 March 2018 (EST)

If it turned out to be that the Inklings weren't playable, would it not seem like one of the sickest jokes ever made in gaming? When have we ever gotten a trailer for a game with new characters given this much time and they turned out to be assist trophies or something similar? That's not even to mention the fact that they've been played around with as possible characters ever since DLC was made clear to be a more serious thing in Sm4sh. Technically, it's possible that this is a 3DS port, or even a port of Brawl or something. Technically, it's possible the inklings will appear in every single final smash in the game. If we go strictly by the technical, we eliminate much of the reasonable. Should not there be limits to what we are willing to exclude for the sake of social reasonability and avoiding ludicrous complexity in our speculation and descriptions? I doubt many people would analyze this article through the eye of a wise professor or something of the sort. That's just my two cents, though. --UnbeatableSith (talk) 21:50, 16 March 2018 (EDT)

Your editorial comment is so-noted. Problem is however that we are a wiki, and strive to provide facts and avoid uncertainty wherever possible. You are right when you say that it's highly likely that the Inklings will be playable, and that to show them so prominently and then not have them playable would be a dick move, not to mention suicidal. Despite all that however, the Inklings have not been explicitly confirmed, and until we hear otherwise, we cannot say for certain. That's just the way it has to be. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 21:58, 16 March 2018 (EDT)

Nintendo would have to say that it's a port to be a port. The teaser showed Inklings and Breath of the Wild Link. Our evidence suggesting it being a port? Some leaker said so. The 3DS version was so different from the Wii U, and the gameplay's been the same since the N64 and Melee, it's hard to tell what's a port in the Smash Bros series. SeanWheeler (talk) 21:04, 10 March 2018 (EST)

There's so much rumors and speculation right now. And there is evidence on both sides for whether or not this is a port of SSB4. So until we have a concrete answer, which will be during E3, we should leave up "whether this is a new title or port" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.86.161.78 (talk • contribs) 02:27, 18 March 2018 (EDT)

Well... the latest earnings report from the investors meeting earlier this morning might have confirmed that this Smash is indeed declared- by the higher-ups, once and for all- to be a all new entry and NOT a goddamn port of Smash 4! Get my drift, boi? Rexson 18:44, 26 April 2018 (BST) ^well, don't be disappointed if you're wrong... Yagamilite (talk) 23:56, 3 May 2018 (EDT)Yagamilite

Second longest gap between games

I think this trivia should be removed for a number of reasons:

1. We haven't officially confirmed that it is a new game and not just a port. If we're including ports, it would be the third gap, as the shortest gap is between for 3DS and for Wii U, only two months.
2. Second out of four isn't particularly notable.
3. It hasn't been released yet and Smash Bros. is notorious for being delayed, which could make the gap closer to if not longer than Brawl to SSB4's six-year one.

TheNuttyOne (talk) 20:35, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Long time no see, Nutta.

1. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Mario Kart 8 are treated as two entities because one is a port of another. Smash Wii U and Smash 3DS are the same game, for different consoles; regardless of whether Switch Smash is a port, it's still a different entity from the original Smash 4.
2. This one, I have no real argument against.
3. Switch Smash is not going to get delayed by a few years. Smash 3DS got delayed by a few months after Sakurai said it'd be releasing in the summer back in the April Direct.

Aidan, the Rurouni 21:13, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Fair enough. Still, I think the second reason is enough to remove it. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 22:13, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Agreed Awesome Cardinal 2000 22:42, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Evidently my account merge did not also include autoconfirmation, so would someone like to remove it? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 21:33, 11 March 2018 (EDT)

I'll get it. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 21:43, 11 March 2018 (EDT)

I hate to continue to beat the dead horse, but in the time that has passed since I made my comment and more trivia has been added to the page, I have come to a response to point number 2: the topmost trivia point is also a second out of four one. If that one is notable enough to merit a point, then so is this. Aidan, the Irish Rurouni 23:59, 11 March 2018 (EDT)

Then... that one should be removed, too. TheNuttyOne 23:54, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

"If that one is notable enough to merit a point, then so is this." Aidan, the Irish Rurouni 00:51, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

"Then... that one should be removed, too."

Right now, we have 3:1 saying "second of four" = not notable. I didn't notice that particular point, so I didn't mention it. However, the existence of another point that goes against the (current) consensus isn't reason to ignore the consensus. Should other people wish to speak up and change the consensus, that's another thing, but as of right now we have no reason for either trivia point to be there. TheNuttyOne 23:49, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

Wait, the topmost trivia point is a first out of four(/second out of five) anyway. So your argument is also inaccurate. TheNuttyOne 23:56, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

1. It is not a 3:1, because BV simply said he'd take care of removing the point.
2. "Second of four" is as notable as a "second of five". Both are a "first since (insert something here)" trivia point.

Aidan, the Irish Rurouni 16:37, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

I think at the very least we should hold off on trivia points like this until we know for sure that this game is not a port. Serpent  King 16:47, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

I already said that ports are treated as separate entities from the original titles, but I think that we should hold off until we know something concrete. Aidan, the Irish Rurouni 17:11, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

Yesterday, I heard someone say that it's not a port but a fresh game, but I cannot find a source confirming this. But I'm taking this one seriously because I had a staff member at EB Games/Gamestop tell me this. I've never been steered wrong by these guys before. Nonetheless, we should do more research. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 18:34, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

We have no precedent for smash ports other than the original being ported to Wii VC (and so on). 3DS/Wii U is not a proper port because it features different stages, modes, etc. It's more of a dual release. If on the off chance Smash for Switch is going to be just "Smash 4 but with Inkling", it should be treated no different than the VC port. Serpent  King 19:36, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

If it ends up being a "Super Smash Bros. Deluxe", being a port of both games with slight changes (new characters, stages, modes, etc.), then I'd still call it a different game. Aidan, the Irish Rurouni 21:00, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

Bowser supposedly confirmed for Smash 5

Gentlemen, I have breaking news regarding returning veterans...

1. According to twitter user @Marcus_Sellers, Bowser of Super Mario Bros. fame has been allegedly confirmed to be playable for Super Smash Bros. 5 as another twitter user going by the name of Smash Switch News reported a few days ago (11th March as this is being posted). —Preceding unsigned comment added by SonicTeamz90210 (talk • contribs) 03:36, 13 March 2018

Those are not primary sources. We cannot accept this proof unless it's from an official Nintendo source. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 05:00, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

Except Bowser's silhouette can clearly be seen in the trailer, and thus, even though he hasn't been clearly confirmed yet, it should be noted in the article. I don't see what's wrong with saying something like "Bowser's silhouette can be seen in the first trailer; this implies that he will be returning to the newest game, although this has not yet been explicitly confirmed." Awesome Cardinal 2000 12:05, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

I second that, if it can be seen, it should be noted. Aidan, the Irish Rurouni 12:09, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

It's already noted, under the "Veterans" section. JaeDy (talk) 12:52, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

The user who originally started the discussion was referring to the Bowser article. Awesome Cardinal 2000 15:04, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

I mean, nothing is official yet, but it should be pretty obvious that Bowser is a returning character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yagamilite (talk • contribs) 00:00, 14 March 2018

It's worth mentioning that Macrus Sellars is known to be an illegitimate "industry insider". He tends to simply repeat information that's already known and argues with well-known legitimate leakers/insiders. Pokebub (talk) 02:23, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

Nicknames

If you look on the front page of r/smashbros right now, you'll see that two of the top posts have "Smash 5" in the titles. In addition, if Smash Switch is a common nickname (which I agree with), it should also be added in instead of the others being removed. Awesome Cardinal 2000 14:43, 19 March 2018 (EDT)

Confused, what's being removed? Serpent  King 16:37, 19 March 2018 (EDT)

See the latest reversion, I added a bunch of common nicknames but another user removed them Awesome Cardinal 2000 16:40, 19 March 2018 (EDT)

I will reiterate: I've seen various nicknames used, but it's very inconsistent. It's not like with SSB4, where literally everyone called it that. Aidan, the Irish Rurouni 19:13, 19 March 2018 (EDT)

All of the various nicknames should be noted in the article, even if not 100% of people call it that. "Commonly used" does not mean everyone has to use it. Awesome Cardinal 2000 20:29, 19 March 2018 (EDT)

More silhouettes uncovered

Just a few days ago, I finally figured out who some of the more obvious silhouetted characters in the trailer really are: according to my calculations, not only did I see both Yoshi and Captain Falcon quite clearly but I also believe that Wario's hat and the shape of Kirby can be spotted on the right hand side of the silhouettes under that giant Smash ball before they fade out of the scene as it ends. Badman 10:30, 25 March 2018 (BST)

The problem with the silhouette is that, beyond Samus, Donkey Kong, and Bowser (which are clearly visible), the rest is an ink blot test; people will see what they want to see. Until E3, we have no solid idea as to who those characters are. Aidan, the Springing Rurouni 12:20, 25 March 2018 (EDT)

Super Smash Brothers for Switch possible demo?

I've just heard that Nintendo has hosted a tournament. Besides Splatoon, there is a SSB for Switch tournament, and I believe it starts in June. I believe this information is useful, because it could possibly mean that the newest game will be unveiled before the E3, but I don't know if it's true. It could be possible though. Michele (talk) 05:23, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

I know of the tournament you speak of, but where did you hear that there is a Smash for Switch tourney? That's the one thing I didn't know. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 07:05, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

You mean the tournament we literally found out about a few days ago? Aidan, the Springing Rurouni 08:12, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

Exactly, that's what I meant! Since you know about it I won't have to explain it to you. I wanted to inform you, because my theory is there could be information before the E3, a bit like Super Smash Bros Brawl.:::Michele (talk) 14:09, 3 April 2018 (EDT)

New Character Announcement

Been a while since I been here. ^^

But anyway, Nintendo announced this today. I know the character has yet to be confirmed, but is it worthy putting it here? otherwise my mistake for putting it here. Hylia's Eye (talk) 19:14, 30 March 2018 (EDT)

That tweet is dated July 2014......Alex Parpotta the flying lobster! 19:16, 30 March 2018 (EDT)

Another twitter user by the name of Joe Ramirez posted to his account a proper now-deleted tweet from Nintendo of America's account that five brand-new fighters will be announced 2 and a half weeks from now on Monday 23th April and the game will be out on October 26th. If you want to see his post before it gets deleted, check out this site: [1] I hope you'll see that the post is indeed offical and vaild. Chaos Kin's cousin 16:52, 4 April 2018 (BST)

Considering the fact that I can't find anything more on this via an internet search (variations of "smash bros five new characters"), I'm willing to doubt the legitimacy of this. But I'm willing to wait until the 23rd to see what we see. Aidan, the Rurouni 12:54, 4 April 2018 (EDT)

This seems incredibly fake. Considering anyone can simply use inspect element to edit things on the web, it wouldn't be too hard to simply edit Nintendo's earlier tweet announcing Smash Switch. You also have to consider Nintendo's huge follower count. A lot more people would've seen the tweet instead of just one person. Even if the tweet was real, it would've also made more sense to retweet it rather than screenshot it. Pokebub (talk) 01:35, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

Well, I'm back with another character rumor but this time, it's about returning veterans! According to MasterofHyrule on Twitter (whose sources he won't spoil the names of), alledgedy Shulk, Duck Hunt & Bayonetta have been confirmed by him to be returning for the new Smash game! If you want to check it out yourself, here's the link: [2] Well, I'll be back later with a different rumor that might leave you stunned... WWF Attitude 20:17, 24 April 2018 (BST)

That sounds incredibly vague and rumor-y, but I'd be all for Shulk and Duck Hunt's return regardless. Alex95 (talk) 15:31, 24 April 2018 (EDT)

Consistancy with Characters

The characters page lists Bowser, DK, and Samus as confirmed. This page doesn't - it mentions them as visible, but stops short of calling them confirmed. Which one is right? It doesn't seem sensible to have the two disagree like this. --Keiya (talk) 16:04, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

It says they're "clearly visible". Thus, we know it's them and they're here. Aidan, the Rurouni 22:18, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

Satoru Iwata

I'm not sure we should keep the trivia point about Satoru Iwata's lack of involvement. While it's certainly true he can no longer contribute, we don't have a clear date as to when this game entered development, and it is entirely possible that Iwata's involvement on the previous entry, or something personal such as a character suggestion, can be carried into Smash 5. Toast ltimatum 20:47, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

Remove logo speculation

The Japanese Smash logo trademarked by Nintendo prior to the release of the teaser trailer does not actually match the new logo used in the trailer. Instead, it is just a generic trademark submitted for a refresh of the series trademark. And so the speculative text about the trademarked logo's similarity to the Melee logo is not so much relevant to this article, as it is a trivia fact about which version of the logo Nintendo uses for keeping the trademark updated. (Note also that the Splatoon logo trademarked around the same time is that of the original game, not Splatoon 2.) It should be removed. SuperFalconBros (talk) 14:45, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

Game title/article title

It should be noted that the current working title of the game is not "Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch" à la the Smash 4 titles. Instead, it is just "Super Smash Bros." with no subtitle. The official website's tab title shows "Super Smash Bros. (Title Pending) for Nintendo Switch" which makes this clear. The Japanese page has "大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ（仮称） | Nintendo Switch" which separates it even further.

Considering the title of some articles like "Super Smash Bros. 4," however, I'm not sure how relevant that is for this article's title. SuperFalconBros (talk) 15:06, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

It's supposed to be read as "Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch". As in, a game titled (tentatively) "Super Smash Bros.", which is "for Nintendo Switch". TheNuttyOne 16:08, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

?

How do we know it IS for the Nintendo Switch? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it happen, but it could be for 3DS AND Switch OR a 3DS exclusive. User:RatedMforMario. Let's-a-go!~ 20:20, 22 April 2018 (EDT)

It literally says 'Switch' in the video. The logo appears at the end there. Not to mention that the website also sports the logo. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 21:04, 22 April 2018 (EDT)

While it's plausible it could be released for 3DS too, we know for a fact it will be released on Nintendo Switch. If they announce it'll be released on both later (a la Sushi Striker), it's not that big of a deal to update. TheNuttyOne 21:16, 22 April 2018 (EDT)

I don't think it's at all possible that it'll release on the 3DS. We already have a Smash game for 3DS. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 22:51, 22 April 2018 (EDT)

Are transformations coming back?

I don't know why I'm saying this but... if this is REALLY a new entry, is the transformation gimmick coming back or- if this game is using a modified version of the Smash 4 engine- are transformations really gone forever? Dr. He-Man, Nurse of Grayskull 15:56, 23 April 2018 (BST)

It's simply not known at this point. All will become clear in time :) JaeDy (talk) 12:17, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

Quite frankly, considering how Sakurai feels that Sheik and ZSS are "fresher" separately, I don't know if he'll change it back. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 12:33, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

Kirby?

I believe this shadowed figure is Kirby so I was wondering if it should be mentioned along with DK, Bowser and Samus as seen here: User:RatedMforMario. Let's-a-go!~ 18:00, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

It could also be Jigglypuff, or perhaps Ness's hat, or an entirely new, round character. For that reason, we can't add it. TheNuttyOne 21:42, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

Will western 3rd party characters be allowed into the roster this time?

I'm back with a question that's been bugging me since the last game's release. Simply, not to sound disrespectful but is there the possibility of western-developed 3rd party fighters being allowed to become part of the roster for a major first in the series? King Hippo 17:59, 24 April 2018 (BST)

While I will say that this goes against talk page policy, I will throw my two cents in: I don't know how likely that is, given how most of these western-developed third-party characters are for Sony or Microsoft, and while Sakurai has rejected Japanese characters in the past due to not being known overseas, I personally think he'd apply the same logic to characters the Japanese don't know as well. As a side note, characters like Sonic and Little Mac do not count, despite being more popular over here than in Japan. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 17:25, 24 April 2018 (EDT)

New look Battlefield

Hey guys, what's up? That didn't take long for me to come back with another one of these Twitter post rumors, did it? Anyway, there's another tweet from MasterofHyrule here stating that he's seen (and supposedly took pictures) of this game's brand-new Battlefield stage and he claimed it looked amazing! Oh yeah, FYI, his unknown sources told him that this latest entry isn't a port of Smash 4 but an entirely new game in it's own right. Sadly, he can't post any screenshots of the new Battlefield or he'll break his NDA contract with Nintendo but let him remind you: he has actually seen the new look Battlefield and in his opinion, looks marvellous! BTW, here's the link to the tweet in question: [3] Thanks for listening! See you next time... Mr. Sparta 20:30, 24 April 2018 (BST)

Oh guys, I received an suprise update from the horse's mouth himself! Here's the link if you wanna catch it before it gets deleted! [4] I hope you like it! Mr. Sparta 20:38, 24 April 2018 (BST)

Well, to be quite frank, this would be much better suited for a place like this instead of here. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 17:25, 24 April 2018 (EDT)

Inclusion of Clones

I'm really wondering what Nintendo will decide to do with the clones. Basically they can keep them, declone them, or remove them (but possibly be kept as an alternate costume). here is what I think should be expected:

• Dr. Mario- kept
• Toon Link- kept
• Dark Pit- removed
• Lucina- changed or removed
• falco- kept
• Ganondorf- changed
• Lucas- kept
• Roy- kept or changed

I doubt that Nintendo would add any new clones due to the large third party support on the Switch. UltraNessDX (talk) 16:38, 24 April 2018 (EDT)

I don't think this is really relevant for a talk page discussion. In fact there's a few discussions on this talk page that are somewhat dubious, but this one in particular. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 16:41, 24 April 2018 (EDT)

Yea, this discussion isn't exactly the best thing to put on talk pages. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 17:25, 24 April 2018 (EDT)

"The" Inkling

This is incorrect phrasing. You wouldn't say that "the" Koopa is playable in Mario Kart. "The" Toad isn't used in Peach's neutral B. "The" Inkling is not playable; Inkling is, or if you're really picky about the grammar, "an" Inkling is -- generic, not specific over something that there are no specifics for. But that's not correct either, since we know both male and female Inklings will appear. Far and wide, people refer to the character in question as "Inkling". We can, too. TheNuttyOne 21:32, 25 April 2018 (EDT)

I will argue this with the notable inclusion of "the" in international versions of the Wii Fit Trainer's victory screen ("l'Entraîneur Wii Fit", "el Entrenador de Wii Fit", "der Wii Fit-Trainer"), the usage of "a Koopa Troopa first appears as a playable character in Super Mario Kart" over on the MarioWiki, and the fact that we use that wording here on the wiki already. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 22:22, 25 April 2018 (EDT)

The Villager and The Wii Fit Trainer are also, generally speaking, singular entities.

Regardless, the fighter pages for both eliminate the article, as well as List of Super Smash Bros. 4 character posters and List of Super Smash Bros. 4 character trailers, which are the most comparable pages to the one at hand.

Furthermore, Inkling does not include an article in its opening sentence. TheNuttyOne 22:40, 25 April 2018 (EDT)

Also, I am fine with the usage of "a" over "the". "The" is too specific for a species of which we regularly see multiple, including in the Smash trailer. TheNuttyOne 22:41, 25 April 2018 (EDT)

The Inkling page does not have an article because it namedrops "Inkling" as the name of the species, not the character. While the Wii Fit Trainer is indeed a single entity, the Villager is not, as it's the player character in Animal Crossing, as the Inkling is to Splatoon. As for the poster/trailer pages, those again refer to the character of the name (similar to the distinction between Metal Mario as a powered-up form of Mario and Metal Mario as a separate character from Mario). Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 23:26, 25 April 2018 (EDT)

This also refers to the character of the name... the playable fighter in Smash 5. How is this different than the playable fighter in Smash 4?

The Villager is an individual representing the player. There can be -- albeit rarely, and in the secondary multiplayer segments of only a couple of games -- more than one, but they can still be referred to specifically as "Villager" is differentiated from "Human". If using vague terms, you wouldn't call Mario "the human". However, you may refer to him as "the plumber" or "the hero", as this is a specific identifier, not a species. Similarly, if referring to Agent 3, you may call them "the agent"; you should not, however, call them "the Inkling".

I believe the most logical solution would be to change it to "Inklings". The trailer clearly demonstrates two Inklings and there is no argument about usage of articles, since, as you said, an article is not necessary when referring to the name of the species. TheNuttyOne 11:01, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

Think of it this way. When you use "the", you are implying a specific identifier. For example, "the Villager (who moves into a town full of animals)". Mario would be "the plumber (who wears red)", or "the hero (who saves Princess Peach)". Agent 3 would be "the agent (who assists Cap'n Cuttlefish)". This could also be an adjective, such as "the (red-clad) plumber", "the (only human) Villager", or "the (Wii Fit) Trainer".

Now, look at the sentence at hand. We don't know that this Inkling is Agent 3; there are many Inklings who are not. We don't really even know that this Inkling is the one who represents the player; again, there are many Inklings who do not -- Callie, Marie, and Pearl, for example, as well as the implied masses who we don't see in-game. The one identifiable trait about this Inkling that sets them apart from other Inklings is that they appear as a fighter in Smash 5. So "It suggests that the Inkling (who appears in Smash 5) is the first revealed newcomer to the game" becomes our implied sentence. Effectively, we're saying that the Inkling who appears in Smash 5 appears in Smash 5. See an issue here?

It has to be more generic. "An" Inkling requires no identifier. "Inkling" creates a unique name and character for it that requires no further explanation -- and is also consistent with our usage of Villager and Wii Fit Trainer. Or "Inklings" refers to the multiple Inklings that were seen in the trailer. TheNuttyOne 11:22, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

If no one has anything to add, I'm changing it to Inklings. TheNuttyOne 14:49, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

Still unknown whether it's port or new game (As of 16 May 2018)

I think it's best to not call it the "fifth installment" for now. Who knows, it could be just a deluxe port (watch the toxic replies come) and be part three of the Super Smash Bros. 4 group.Yagamilite (talk) 23:52, 16 May 2018 (EDT)Yagamilite

I think it has a good chance of being either. I wouldn't really care if any mentions to it being the "fifth installment" are removed. We're about to get gameplay next month, so by then we'll know if it's a port or not. It might also be worth noting that Sakurai considers this the "sixth installment" since he counted Smash 3DS and Wii U as separate. Pokebub (talk) 14:14, 18 May 2018 (EDT)

We really have no reason to believe it's a deluxe port except development time and several "leaks" that may or may not be real. However, Nintendo consistently calls it a "new" Super Smash Bros., it has a completely new logo, its title is tentative (whereas a deluxe port of SSB4 would almost certainly be called "Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch"), and it has a new design for Link. From an encyclopedic standpoint, we should be reporting on these facts, not speculation and rumors. TheNuttyOne 14:43, 18 May 2018 (EDT)

That doesn't mean anything. If you really want to report facts, you shouldn't use assumption standpoints as a basis. Even if they stand out strong. We still don't have enough proof whether or not this is new or not. Believe me, I personally fall on the "new game" side, but point is, no one knows for sure. Also, Nintendo has never, in any way, referred to this as a totally brand new game, much less the "consistently" part. The new logo is just a teaser, they probably wanted to come up with a wittier title than "Smash Bros for the Switch", and Botw Link could very well be a palette swap. Yagamilite (talk) 23:47, 22 May 2018 (EDT)Yagamilite

So if it was a port, would Nintendo put so much hype behind it, only to piss everyone off when they announce it to only be a port? 75.141.57.33 10:10, 28 May 2018 (EDT)

You make a good point, but it doesn't change the fact that there's a strong bubble of uncertainty surrounding the entire thing. Even I am strong in the conviction that it will be a new game, but we just do not know for sure. If we can't write anything without speculating, we can't write anything - it's as simple as that. Black Vulpine of the Furry Nation. Furries make the internets go! :3 10:38, 28 May 2018 (EDT)

Possible Pikachu

Look closely and you will see a yellow thing. I can see its Pikachu because-

• Its short
• It has ears sticking thus its not Luca's hair
• Its a yellow shading
• There are no other characters like this expect Pika Pika

--Mega Man is great. (talk) 06:03, 1 June 2018 (EDT)

"With no pun intended, the lineup of characters is an inkblot test; people will see what they want to see. Anything beyond Bowser, Donkey Kong, and Samus is speculation." This is our current stance on the matter, as we consider ourselves a factual wiki and thus opinions are not permitted on main articles. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 06:41, 1 June 2018 (EDT)

No, i mean't in the inkblot picture. --62.219.147.24 06:49, 1 June 2018 (EDT)

Sudden announcement?

The last three titles (I personally count 3DS/Wii U as the fourth installment rather than fourth and fifth respectively like Sakurai said in an interview) had always been announced in development at least a year or two before their release, rather than months like the Switch version. Why is this? 97.88.58.90 21:59, 11 June 2018 (EDT)

We don't know. TheNuttyOne 22:50, 11 June 2018 (EDT)

Possibly due to the rage that the fans did they wanted it. -Mega Man is great. So is Roll. 01:06, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

What rage? People wanted the game, yes, but they didn't get upset about it. The entire "WHERE'S SMASH" thing was a meme, and no one was genuinely upset about anything.

And also, Melee was first shown off in August of 2001, three months before it came out in Japan, and was in development for 13 months. Smash 64 even arguably was announced months before, since Nintendo didn't even know if they wanted to bring the damn thing over here. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 01:17, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

HYPE HYPE

EVERYONE INCLUDING SNAKE WOLF POKEMON TRAINER AND ICE CLIMBERS ARE BACK AND THE TITLE WILL BE "SUPER SMASH BROS ULTIMATE" AND RIDLEY WILL COME AND HE SWALLOWED MEGA MAN AND MARIO AND SAMUS IS FIGHTING HIM HE LEFT CAPPY ALONE HOWEVER —Preceding unsigned comment added by Play Dash (talk • contribs) 12:51, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

This is improper usage of a talk page. In the future, please use the Forum for posts like this and remember to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 14:30, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

Japanese title

For those unaware, the japanese title of the game is Dairantō Smash Brothers Special (大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ SPECIAL, Great Fray Smash Brothers Special)

Why is New Donk City on the stage list?

It hasn't been confirmed yet, so why is it there? 81.154.111.158 14:50, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

A picture of it is on Mario's character page, though the name is unconfirmed. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 23:43, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

Saffron City

As said in my description of my edit, I have a link to a picture of Saffron City on Treehouse Live: https://imgur.com/a/Yi0rxB5 SugarCookie420 (talk) 14:58, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

Character pages

Do you have a source on the unlockability of characters? Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan Leave a message if needed 23:16, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

Sakurai mentioned that the starting lineup matches the lineup of Smash 64 in the direct. The characters with an ambiguous status are the unlockable 64 characters. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 23:43, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

Boxart

Perhaps the boxart can be added to the gallery? Hi-res version available here, sourced from Amazon: Data (talk) 23:38, 12 June 2018 (EDT)

Create and link an Echo Fighters dedicated page to the text near Daisy

Since I can't help to edit the page as it is protected, I believe it would be interesting to link the Echo Fighters citation near Daisy into a completely new page which would explain this is the new canon name for clone characters and that Sakurai himself explained, both during directs and interviews, that this term will be used to discern between semiclones (which have at least a completely different move, be it Specials or normals). So, for instance, Dr. Mario does not classify as Echo because in the current installment, Mario's Down B is different from his. On the other hand, Dark Pit's moves and specials are still all the same from Pit aside parameter-level adjustments and artwork, so this makes him an Echo Fighter. Thanks to this logic, it is also safe to assume even from this early that Daisy will retain mostly all Peach's functionality, with some expected differences in either movement speed, strengh or special damage/knockback/windup.

Drezus (talk) 08:44, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

Mute City?

I don't think Mute City has shown up in any screenshots/footage, why is it on the stage list? DynamicSparkSword (talk) 19:45, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

Final Smashes

If no one has added this detail yet on the main page, when someone activates their final smash the game briefly flashes their portraits like the critical hits in Fire Emblem.

About Healing Field

I heard somewhere Healing Field is an ARMS-based item, but it looks completely different in Smash Bros, having a seed-like appearance rather than the sporty squeezy from ARMS. Can anyone confirm which game this item sources from? Is it from Xenoblade or Final Fantasy? Drezus (talk) 13:14, 14 June 2018 (EDT)

It's neither Xenoblade nor Final Fantasy, since their wikis don't have anything for "healing field". They also didn't have a series icon for it in the Direct, so we can't tell where it's from. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 13:16, 14 June 2018 (EDT)

Banana

I don't think I can edit the page myself, but banana is spelled incorrectly in the items. 75.141.57.33 14:02, 14 June 2018 (EDT)

Characters facing the screen

I think it is worth noting that they're making characters facing the screen even more. For instance, Mario and Villager now both face the screen while walking and running so players can have a grasp of their faces better. --ElCid (talk) 17:06, 14 June 2018 (EDT)

Final Destination

The E3 version of Final Destination is only for that demo. Should the current screenshot be removed or should it stay as a placeholder like how the stage itself is a placeholder?

Character grid order

I wonder if Ice Climbers could be shifted back in the character grid in order for all Fire Emblem characters to appear together on one line? I think the preceding lines look very good and orderly, with characters from each series all together on a single line. FE breaks that though... maybe it could be solved by shifting Ice Climbers to the first character position after the FE characters, instead of right before? Data (talk) 12:18, 15 June 2018 (EDT)

The Ice Climbers SHOULD be before the FE characters. It's like that on both the Melee and Brawl pages. --71.88.50.65 12:24, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

Splatoon 2 and Proteus Ridley

The article says that the Inkling uses concepts from Splatoon 2 and that Ridley will have Proteus Ridley as an alt. The inklings are Splatoon 1 only as no alts are from Splatoon 2 (and the splattershot's design is from Splatoon 1) and I don't believe we have a confirmation on Proteus Ridley.