Talk:Shulk (SSB4)

I have a screenshotted pic of Shulk. It's only a headshot really, but it works. How can I get it on his SSB4 page? BrittF (talk) 21:41, 25 August 2014 (EDT) BrittF

Um... you add it? You have to upload said image first, but then you just... idk, add it. ...a new Nuttais approaching... 21:41, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Sorry... I am super new to this "wiki" stuff. BrittF (talk) 21:44, 25 August 2014 (EDT) BrittF

your not alone there, the pictures on the leaked characters took forever to get on Thesupernintendokid (talk) 21:57, 26 August 2014 (EDT)

Shouldn't we have a page for Metal Face? He was hinted to be a stage boss in his trailer. --73.160.5.100 15:43, 29 August 2014 (EDT)

This is a minor suggestion, but under the Trivia section for Shulk, it mentions his swimtrunks alt costume, but it is written as "swintrunks". ShrekTheOgre (talk) 01:11, 18 June 2015 (EDT)

Third-Party?

I think Shulk is being considered a third-party... his stage appears in both versions, which is shared only with Mega Man and Punch-Out! (although the Boxing Ring has a Smash version, which could explain that), on the roster (which still isn't considered real, but still) he's placed with Pac-Man, Mega Man, and Sonic, and is the only character besides them located there. And he's technically owned by Monolith Soft, even though they were bought by Nintendo prior to his reveal. Thoughts? ...a new Nuttais approaching... 12:29, 30 August 2014 (EDT)

And yet Nintendo only owns 37% (I believe) of whoever officially owns Pokemon, I don't know why Shulk's down there (My guess is because they're gonna throw the series with one rep down there.), but I doubt it's be because he's third party. Also, by the logic of him having his stage on both versions, why doesn't Sonic have HIS stage in both versions? Or Pac-Man? He got two different stages. (Which isn't odd) It's most likely on both versions due to the upcoming Xenoblade Port. (Or it was conveniently less work because of this) Also, Namco owned Monolith soft, prior to nintendo buying them (I think they actually own 3% of them), so him being down there could be a little reference to that. Laikue (talk) 13:04, 30 August 2014 (EDT)

Monolith has become a direct subsidieary company of Nintendo, helping with development of several EAD titles, so labeling Shulk and Xenoblade as third party would be inaccurate. It's possible that he's grouped with the third parties because they simply didn't have any other room for him, but I'm actually of the opinion that the leaked roster screens don't depict the full list of characters, because some of the clone characters are noticeably out of position. Mr. Mittens (talk) 14:33, 30 August 2014 (EDT)

Let's just say it's 2nd party. --Bob8644 (talk) 17:05, 2 September 2014 (EDT)

Page Simplification

While I was going on my daily check of the wiki, I went to Shulk's page. It was, to be blunt, a Great Wall of Text. I know someone else already added the tag, but I sincerely doubt ANYBODY is going to willfully read the whole page. I'm all for descriptive pages, but in this case, I think Shulk's entire page was a bit too meaty. TitaniumX (talk) 18:05, 7 October 2015 (EDT)

Air Slash

His up special Air Slash says it has two strikes. While that's not technically incorrect, it only has two strikes if the player presses the B button again in midair. I think that should be clarified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SirBraneDamuj (talk • contribs) 17:59, 4 October 2014 (EDT)

Alright, thanks for the tip. And sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). Rtzxy Smashing! 18:04, 4 October 2014 (EDT)

Monado Arts Colors

The Monado Arts use colors to help tell the player which art they are using. Not only is the kanji colored while selecting arts, but the area affected by the art (feet, hands, Monado) glow whatever color the art has for the duration that art is active.

• Jump - Green
• Speed - Blue
• Shield - Yellow
• Buster - Purple
• Smash - Red

The color information should really be added to the Monado Arts section, as it is pretty much the best tell for which art is active. - MaJoR (talk) 08:51, 6 November 2014 (EST)

Party Theming of Alt Costumes

I mentioned it in the trivia section, but I figured I should explain the meaning of the colors of Shulk's alternate outfits in a little more detail here. Xenoblade chronicles has 7 total party members, counting Shulk. His alternate costumes were themed after the other six, representing (in order) [Fiora], [Dunban], [Reyn], [Sharla], [Melia], and [Riki].ToastyMozart (talk) 20:18, 11 January 2015 (EST)

We know this. It belongs on the alt costume page, not on this page. Toomai Glittershine The Chronicler 22:46, 11 January 2015 (EST)

Version exclusive features???

In the trivia section it says something about him and Olimar having version exclusive features, but it doesn't cite anything, or even say what they are. What is this? 70.198.132.184 19:12, 12 January 2015 (EST)

There are probably some things that work slightly differently in the Wii U version, like most every other character (Link is a notable one), but what the point is specifically referring to is the Monado Art icon on his character icon during a battle. Laikue (talk | contribs) 19:22, 12 January 2015 (EST)

First Party or Second Party?

Would Shulk be a first party character, or a second party character?

Yes, Nintendo owns Monolith, but Monolith created Shulk. Monolith being the creators of Shulk is good enough to call him a second party in my book. Aidan the Aura Master 11:56, 24 February 2015 (EST)

Diddy Kong was created by Rare, which is now effectively a fourth party. So I wouldn't call that a valid argument. Toomai Glittershine The Interspacial 12:00, 24 February 2015 (EST)

I would say Shulk is second-party in a sense because of Monolith Soft, but it doesn't matter either way because second-party isn't really notable. Pokemon is Game Freak and Creatures, Fire Emblem is Intelligent Systems, Mother is Ape and Itoi, etc. Miles (talk) 12:54, 24 February 2015 (EST)

The reason I asked is because there's a little edit war over a certain trivia point. Aidan the Aura Master 14:14, 24 February 2015 (EST)

That's my point, the trivia isn't notable. Miles (talk) 14:24, 24 February 2015 (EST)

Then simply just call him a Nintendo character instead. That should make everyone happy and end this debate.64.237.228.162 12:46, 8 April 2015 (EDT)

No, because in the completed title screen, Nintendo gives CLEAR attribution to Monolith for the character. As such, Nintendo don't strictly own all the Copyright as their own entity (Ownership by proxy, in a way). Because of that, calling him Nintendo character isn't... accurate. And, as Miles said, it's not really notable. ScoreCounter 12:51, 8 April 2015 (EDT)

And on this note, can we make the ignorance of hidden notices a third-time blockable offence now? It's getting ridiculous. ScoreCounter 13:15, 4 May 2015 (EDT)

The defense has no objections. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 13:17, 4 May 2015 (EDT)

Oh my god, just call him a Nintendo character, it's not that hard, PXZ2 even says it's a franchise from Nintendo. Nintenzilla (talk) 19:51, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Actually, PXZ2 uses the same copyrights for Xenoblade (Nintendo/Monolith Soft) and Fire Emblem (Nintendo/Intelligent Systems) as Smash does. Miles (talk) 19:55, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

True. But it is worthy to note that Ninty has at least 96% stock in Monolith. Also, to my knowledge, Nintendo doesn't even own HAL Labs or Game Freak. There is nothing wrong calling Shulk a Nintendo character. Interesting to note Miles' possible change of mind when comparing what he's said a few posts up with this here. Anyways, I think the trivia point is unnecessary, and problematic. Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 20:03, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

How about we just keep the first couple of sentences? I mean, we don't talk about people who think Link's name is Zelda. Nyargleblargle Let's go Mets! (Talk · Contribs) 20:07, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

We should just remove it altogether. Why should we cover trivial misconceptions made by people? Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 20:10, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

It's not a funny or even common misconception, for the matter... Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 20:20, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

It actually kind of was common. I mean, he was placed before Pac-Man in the game and a lot of promotional work for the game, and there was even a discussion here about it. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 20:29, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Yeah, there was speculation, but just because there was some here and elsewhere on the Internet doesn't mean it's common. Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 20:32, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Miles, Miles, Miles, they flat-out categorize Xenoblade (Along with Fire Emblem) as "Franchises from Nintendo", however this issue is so unessary and so uneeded that we should just remove it all together. Nintenzilla (talk) 21:20, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

You're being rather condescending, and you're not correct. A brief look at the game's official site shows the copyrights I mentioned. Anyways, this trivia point is fine as-is. It was a misconception I saw a lot for a while, and the trivia point would be fine if people would do their research before blindly trying to change it. Miles (talk) 21:25, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

I was talking about the trailer, and I think that we should remove it as it's conclusive and subjective, so I say it be removed before it causes anymore controversy. Nintenzilla (talk) 21:41, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Okay, I added something that I hope is a fair compromise. Nintenzilla (talk) 21:46, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

I think I could do better...I'll take a crack at it. I still think it should go, though. Aardvarkian (Talk • Contributions) 22:10, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Inability to auto-cancel?

Is Shulk the only character who cannot autocancel any of his aerial attacks? I've mained and played Shulk ever since the beginning of Smash 4 but I'm still unsure of this, although Shulk is pretty infamous for having landing lag for everything. Archrelico (talk) 06:03, 12 January 2016 (EST)

He is. Every other character has at least one aerial that can autocancel before being interruptible. Even Rosalina. Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 06:43, 12 January 2016 (EST)

Well jesus, I guess I'm maining a really sluggish british person then. Archrelico (talk) 06:49, 12 January 2016 (EST)

This reminds me - isn't Shulk the only character whose aerials are interruptible before the autocancel? If he does a full hop back air and just lands, he gets 19 frames of landing lag (here's his frame data). But he can avoid that lag by double jumping just before he hits the ground, or mitigate it by starting a neutral air to get that move's 10 frames of lag instead. I believe this is unique to him. It ought to be in the article somewhere. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 06:51, 12 January 2016 (EST)

That's what I said. It also makes him take the landing lag of whatever was used to interrupt his aerial, just like you said. If he double jumps and lands, he takes 4 frames, for example. If you want to put it in, go for the Trivia section. I'm pretty sure no one will disagree with that. Drill Blaster Mark 2 (talk) 07:05, 12 January 2016 (EST)

I'm doing that right now. Just let me find out how to phrase this. Archrelico (talk) 07:07, 12 January 2016 (EST)

I wouldn't call it trivia, though. Seems like helpful information for playing the character. Zyrac(talk•contribs) 07:27, 12 January 2016 (EST)

According to Kurogane Hammer, Shulk's aerials technically autocancel, but it's rendered useless since they only do so after the FAF. Nyargleblargle (Contribs) 07:15, 12 January 2016 (EST)

To clarify, is he the only fighter in the Smash Bros. series who cannot autocancel all aerials? Even Little Mac has that ability. Archrelico (talk) 07:37, 12 January 2016 (EST)