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:Game file rips, through hacking. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 18:10, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
:Game file rips, through hacking. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 18:10, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
::Ah, okay. Thanks. I tought someone just made this and pretended it was official. [[User:Tepig|Tepig]] ([[User talk:Tepig|talk]]) 18:34, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
::Ah, okay. Thanks. I tought someone just made this and pretended it was official. [[User:Tepig|Tepig]] ([[User talk:Tepig|talk]]) 18:34, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
Could the person who did this get artwork for each of his forms? I can tell from under the swarm hiding his health that it exists, so. <small>''---Previously unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 21:09, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
:Hm yes this should exist. I'll see if I can find it, and if it's decent-looking enough to upload. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Da Bomb 23:54, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
::...Did you forget, or does it not exist? <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]] </small>  15:38, 11 March 2015 (EDT)
:::The 3DS ones I found wre unsatisfactory. However, now that you've reminded me, I do remeber seeing better ones in a Wii U dump, which I'll add. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Incomperable 15:40, 11 March 2015 (EDT)
== Trivia is TRIVIA ==
There seems to be an incessant hate at the thought of Master Core getting the obvious status of the first of all to be USING a stage in their attacks. What's up with that? Yes, Meta Ridley had a special field that he slammed, but that was a field unique to that battle alone. This case is that Master Core interacts with Final Destination, a stage that is playable in standard play and in all games but is always completely inert (which also makes it a heck of a huge shock your first time seeing that terrifying moment). How is this not possibly trivia worthy?[[User:Jarie Suicune|Jarie Suicune]] ([[User talk:Jarie Suicune|talk]]) 15:41, 1 October 2014 (EDT)
== Master Fortress ==
http://youtu.be/x1h27OHLgq8?t=3m44s
The form actually happens after Master Shadow, rather than before Master Giant as speculated on the page itself. While there's no footage, this was confirmed by one of the Youtubers who was able to go hands on with the Wii U version and got to face the new form. - [[User:Burb|Burb]]
In-game footage: http://youtu.be/aXODS1YRBcg?t=6m26s - [[User:Burb|Burb]]
== Antagonist? ==
Yes, Master Core is unnerving, but can we really call it an antagonist? It feels like it's simply there to serve as a final challenge (as opposed to [[Tabuu]] and his [[Subspace Army]] from ''Brawl'', who were actively making trouble for the characters and had to be stopped for the sake of the world's safety). Master Core is kinda like Galacta Knight from the ''Kirby'' series, in a way; yes, you challenge it to a fight, but it's hard to say whether or not it's evil. --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 01:42, 6 February 2015 (EST)
:This and similar statements on other pages have been removed several times before. "Antagonist" implies a story, and so the only Smash-original character who can rightfully be called one is Tabuu. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:01, 6 February 2015 (EST)
== Master Core's reaction to Charizard's Flare Blitz. ==
Something I noticed when trying to kill Master Core is that when I used Flare Blitz, the move had '''Severely''' nerfed Knockback, which I don't think should happen?
Normally, Flare Blitz has great knockback, about the same as Rock Smash I think, if not slightly less or more, but Rock Smash, heck all of Charizards attacks seemed to react normally when attacking Master Core knockback wise.
And if prior memory serves, other powerful high knockback elemental attacks such as Falcon Punch or Arch Fire seemed to have the same knockback as usual. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Xenomata|Xenomata]] ([[User talk:Xenomata|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Xenomata|contribs]]) 16:07, 7 February 2015 (EST)</small>
:There are a few things that might be causing this, so I'll suggest the most obvious one (to me): Maybe the Shadow form has resistance to indirect attacks, of which the explosion of Flare Blitz counts as. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Bold 16:37, 7 February 2015 (EST)
== Skull in Master Blade's attacks? ==
I was looking through my old miiverse posts & found this.
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAAADVHiNbEDCJQ
40 yeahs. (I should probably mention it's more noticeable in the 3DS version) due to freeze frames). I thought maybe it would be worth mentioning in the trivia. Thoughts? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 14:42, 29 December 2015 (EST)
How did ya know I was here and commented on that post? [[User:TabuuandMasterCore|TabuuandMasterCore]] ([[User talk:TabuuandMasterCore|talk]]) 19:27, 8 March 2016 (EST)
Honestly, I guessed because this is the only link I remember posting & I couldn't even find my post on google; I had to scroll through all my miiverse posts. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 19:38, 8 March 2016 (EST)
:Pretty sure this is just a Rorschach kind of deal. Doesn't seem like a deliberate and clear part of the animation. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:04, 8 March 2016 (EST)
Really? You think it's a coincidence?<s> Should I just remove it from the trivia? </s>[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:20, 8 March 2016 (EST)
:Probably, although that's just my opinion. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:00, 8 March 2016 (EST)
Why did you suddenly remove it now? I asked you if I should remove it, you skipped the question, so I thought it was okay. Why wait until now to remove it?  [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:31, 9 June 2016 (EDT)
== Kirby ==
If P1 is Kirby, does Master Core give out a Copy ability? [[User:Bowser vs Bowser Jr.|Bowser vs Bowser Jr.]] ([[User talk:Bowser vs Bowser Jr.|talk]])
:You mean in the Master Shadow stage? I believe it's exactly the same thing as if Kirby Inhales another Kirby (Nothing happens, the inhalee pops out with some damage). <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 00:29, 11 July 2016 (EDT)
::I tried it in Co-op too; Kirby can't have a copy ability from Master Shadow. I don't know about the other way around though. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 00:40, 11 July 2016 (EDT)
== Master Core's self-destruct also has a hitbox?? ==
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfWVGiCxTaI
Chanced upon this video, which shows the player getting close to Master Core after its fifth red wave, and its self-destruct seems to also have its own hitbox. This is the first I've ever heard of such a thing. The hitbox seems to deal 50% damage just like one of the red waves, with just as much or nearly as much knockback. (The player in the video seems to be using defensive equipment.)
Can someone confirm (or disprove) that
* this exists on the 3DS version too
* it's a OHKO with no equipment
* how close you have to be to get hit by it
* if you get KO'd by the attack on your last stock, since Master Core is already 'defeated', do you win or Game Over
[[User:Zowayix|Zowayix]] ([[User talk:Zowayix|talk]]) 21:19, 16 May 2018 (EDT)

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Ooooh, look at you, Toomai, with your alliteration. *phbbbt* VinSymbol.pngVinLAURiA (talk) 09:39, 12 September 2014 (EDT)

Please remember SW:TALK. ScizorSteelix 00:17, 14 September 2014 (EDT)

Fusion?[edit]

Just to specify, the reason I've put that is because the first few frames of the transformation seem to have six-seven fingers. And sometimes that ember just dies when no damage has been done to CH. ScoreCounter 12:09, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

That's not a sixth finger.

p04wM6p.png

It's something (likely the black miasma) trying to break out of the glove. - Burb

Official Artwork[edit]

Where's that official artowrk from? Tepig (talk) 18:02, 21 September 2014 (EDT)

Game file rips, through hacking. Laikue (talk|contribs) 18:10, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
Ah, okay. Thanks. I tought someone just made this and pretended it was official. Tepig (talk) 18:34, 21 September 2014 (EDT)

Could the person who did this get artwork for each of his forms? I can tell from under the swarm hiding his health that it exists, so. ---Previously unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 21:09, 29 October 2014 (EDT)

Hm yes this should exist. I'll see if I can find it, and if it's decent-looking enough to upload. Toomai Glittershine ??? Da Bomb 23:54, 29 October 2014 (EDT)
...Did you forget, or does it not exist? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 15:38, 11 March 2015 (EDT)
The 3DS ones I found wre unsatisfactory. However, now that you've reminded me, I do remeber seeing better ones in a Wii U dump, which I'll add. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Incomperable 15:40, 11 March 2015 (EDT)

Trivia is TRIVIA[edit]

There seems to be an incessant hate at the thought of Master Core getting the obvious status of the first of all to be USING a stage in their attacks. What's up with that? Yes, Meta Ridley had a special field that he slammed, but that was a field unique to that battle alone. This case is that Master Core interacts with Final Destination, a stage that is playable in standard play and in all games but is always completely inert (which also makes it a heck of a huge shock your first time seeing that terrifying moment). How is this not possibly trivia worthy?Jarie Suicune (talk) 15:41, 1 October 2014 (EDT)

Master Fortress[edit]

http://youtu.be/x1h27OHLgq8?t=3m44s

The form actually happens after Master Shadow, rather than before Master Giant as speculated on the page itself. While there's no footage, this was confirmed by one of the Youtubers who was able to go hands on with the Wii U version and got to face the new form. - Burb

In-game footage: http://youtu.be/aXODS1YRBcg?t=6m26s - Burb

Antagonist?[edit]

Yes, Master Core is unnerving, but can we really call it an antagonist? It feels like it's simply there to serve as a final challenge (as opposed to Tabuu and his Subspace Army from Brawl, who were actively making trouble for the characters and had to be stopped for the sake of the world's safety). Master Core is kinda like Galacta Knight from the Kirby series, in a way; yes, you challenge it to a fight, but it's hard to say whether or not it's evil. --Luigifan18 (talk) 01:42, 6 February 2015 (EST)

This and similar statements on other pages have been removed several times before. "Antagonist" implies a story, and so the only Smash-original character who can rightfully be called one is Tabuu. Miles (talk) 02:01, 6 February 2015 (EST)

Master Core's reaction to Charizard's Flare Blitz.[edit]

Something I noticed when trying to kill Master Core is that when I used Flare Blitz, the move had Severely nerfed Knockback, which I don't think should happen?

Normally, Flare Blitz has great knockback, about the same as Rock Smash I think, if not slightly less or more, but Rock Smash, heck all of Charizards attacks seemed to react normally when attacking Master Core knockback wise.

And if prior memory serves, other powerful high knockback elemental attacks such as Falcon Punch or Arch Fire seemed to have the same knockback as usual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xenomata (talkcontribs) 16:07, 7 February 2015 (EST)

There are a few things that might be causing this, so I'll suggest the most obvious one (to me): Maybe the Shadow form has resistance to indirect attacks, of which the explosion of Flare Blitz counts as. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Bold 16:37, 7 February 2015 (EST)

Skull in Master Blade's attacks?[edit]

I was looking through my old miiverse posts & found this.

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAAADVHiNbEDCJQ

40 yeahs. (I should probably mention it's more noticeable in the 3DS version) due to freeze frames). I thought maybe it would be worth mentioning in the trivia. Thoughts? Unowninator (talk) 14:42, 29 December 2015 (EST) How did ya know I was here and commented on that post? TabuuandMasterCore (talk) 19:27, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Honestly, I guessed because this is the only link I remember posting & I couldn't even find my post on google; I had to scroll through all my miiverse posts. Unowninator (talk) 19:38, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Pretty sure this is just a Rorschach kind of deal. Doesn't seem like a deliberate and clear part of the animation. Miles (talk) 20:04, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Really? You think it's a coincidence? Should I just remove it from the trivia? Unowninator (talk) 20:20, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Probably, although that's just my opinion. Miles (talk) 21:00, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Why did you suddenly remove it now? I asked you if I should remove it, you skipped the question, so I thought it was okay. Why wait until now to remove it? Unowninator (talk) 02:31, 9 June 2016 (EDT)

Kirby[edit]

If P1 is Kirby, does Master Core give out a Copy ability? Bowser vs Bowser Jr. (talk)

You mean in the Master Shadow stage? I believe it's exactly the same thing as if Kirby Inhales another Kirby (Nothing happens, the inhalee pops out with some damage). Serpent SKSig.png King 00:29, 11 July 2016 (EDT)
I tried it in Co-op too; Kirby can't have a copy ability from Master Shadow. I don't know about the other way around though. Unowninator (talk) 00:40, 11 July 2016 (EDT)

Master Core's self-destruct also has a hitbox??[edit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfWVGiCxTaI

Chanced upon this video, which shows the player getting close to Master Core after its fifth red wave, and its self-destruct seems to also have its own hitbox. This is the first I've ever heard of such a thing. The hitbox seems to deal 50% damage just like one of the red waves, with just as much or nearly as much knockback. (The player in the video seems to be using defensive equipment.)

Can someone confirm (or disprove) that

  • this exists on the 3DS version too
  • it's a OHKO with no equipment
  • how close you have to be to get hit by it
  • if you get KO'd by the attack on your last stock, since Master Core is already 'defeated', do you win or Game Over

Zowayix (talk) 21:19, 16 May 2018 (EDT)