Talk:Super Smash Bros. 4/Archive 3

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Splitting the article

We don't know how different the games will end up being but shouldn't the WiiU and 3DS versions be on differnt pages? If not can someone explain why? 109.148.248.236 05:38, 6 September 2013 (EDT)

It doesn't look like we will need to split them now because the games are similar and little information is known. We have sufficiently covered their differences with the section called "Console differences". However, a split is likely once the games are released and more information is known. Awesome Cardinal 2000 09:56, 6 September 2013 (EDT)

No X-Bomb

I see nothing about the items, and the X Bomb.Ssb-er-1 (talk) 12:47, 2 November 2013 (EDT)

Mewtwo

Am I correct in assuming that this Mewtwo reveal was no joke? It also shows a couple of returns such as Lucario. Malake256 (talk) 00:59, 11 November 2013 (EST)

Oh sorry about that, I stumbled across this and confused this Project M with a different Project M that worked on Metroid: Other M, I see now that this is just about exploiting Brawl. Sorry. Malake256 (talk) 01:03, 11 November 2013 (EST)

Why bring this up on the talk page for the upcoming Super Smash Bros. game? We have a Project M page don't we? SeanWheeler (talk) 13:10, 11 November 2013 (EST)

Because he didn't realise that is was PM at first...? Scr7(talk · contribs) 13:12, 11 November 2013 (EST)

Items

We miss the items. X-Bomb, "Pikmin Rocket", Capsule ... Ssb-er-1 (talk) 12:56, 12 November 2013 (EST)

Reggie

Please tell me, why do you wish to withhold this information Omega? And why are you taking it so personal to the point of swearing/cursing? It is possible to talk about this without resorting to that you know.

But seriously, its valid information that could indeed be true, so why withhold it? Even as a form of trivia, it seems interesting enough to mention. I mean after all, this wiki has an article dedicated to a fan game. Why is a page dedicated to a fan game, that has no backing from any nintendo official (as far as i know), yet information regarding a legit game stated by someone who actually works for the company isn't?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, I honestly want to know your reasoning behind this. In the event it's not true, it makes interesting trivia and it gives people something to talk about. If it is true, then at least the wiki could take pride in the fact it helped the cause by promoting the thing via providing a link to the petition in question for people to sign.

Wouldn't it be nice knowing a character got into the game because its one fans actually worked together to get? Don't you want the wiki to be part of that? Again, in the event it is legit.
Ixbran (talk) 23:37, 4 December 2013 (EST)

Fan games have no backing from Nintendo but are released into the public. They are playable. They are not "fake" or hoaxes. Petitions as ridiculous as adding Reggie to a Smash game are clearly hoaxes, and if anything, deserves to be on the List of Rumors page and not on the main Smash 4 page. Don't add it there until Omega Tyrant puts his comment here, however. --Timson622222 (talk) 23:40, 4 December 2013 (EST)

I dont see how it could be a Hoax, i mean has Reggie been known for that sort of thing? Yea he had joked about wanting to be in the game. But after he said that, he admitted to having been joking about it and moved on. So I believe if he had been joking this time, he would have followed up with an "I'm joking guys." like last time.

I like to think it's the fans wish for him to actually be in the game that made Sakurai consider it. Wouldn't it be interesting if this was indeed true? It would be nice knowing that a character got into smash because it's something fans wanted, and worked together to get.
Ixbran (talk) 23:45, 4 December 2013 (EST)

"Please tell me, why do you wish to withhold this information?"

Because it's not legitimate information?

"And why are you taking it so personal to the point of swearing/cursing?"

"Swearing" does not mean someone is taking something "personally".

"But seriously, its valid information that could indeed be true, so why withhold it?"

Notice the bolded words, if we're adding information that "could be true", then when we are gearing right into speculation (though this goes beyond speculation as I'll get too shortly).

"Even as a form of trivia, it seems interesting enough to mention. I mean after all, this wiki has an article dedicated to a fan game. Why is a page dedicated to a fan game, that has no backing from any nintendo official (as far as i know), yet information regarding a legit game stated by someone who actually works for the company isn't?"

This is completely irrelevant. "Information" about a joke by a Nintendo employee and information about Brawl mods are two entirely different things, don't compare them. Additionally, a joke made by a Nintendo employee about being added to the game pre-development is not "interesting" trivia whatsoever, when it has absolutely no impact on the game.

"In the event it's not true, it makes interesting trivia and it gives people something to talk about."

That is completely irrelevant to the Wiki, we are here to report the facts, not "give people something to talk about".

"If it is true, then at least the wiki could take pride in the fact it helped the cause by promoting the thing via providing a link to the petition in question for people to sign."

Again completely irrelevant. We are an encyclopedia about Smash Bros., not a site to promote shit.

"Wouldn't it be nice knowing a character got into the game because its one fans actually worked together to get? Don't you want the wiki to be part of that?"

Please read what SmashWiki is not, we are not a fanon site that push for things to be in Smash. You seriously want Reggie in Smash? Take it elsewhere, don't use this Wiki to promote it.

"I dont see how it could be a Hoax, i mean has Reggie been known for that sort of thing?"

You seemingly aren't aware of the "My body is ready" meme, and why Reggie has the notoriety he does on the internet.

"So I believe if he had been joking this time, he would have followed up with an "I'm joking guys." like last time."

You're not familiar with the basis of humor are you? See, here's the thing, when people joke around, they don't flat out say it's a joke, as it otherwise ruins the joke. The fact he claims his final smash would be "MY BODY IS READY SLAM" should be quite clear he's entertaining the fanbase and is not at all being serious. Do I really need to fully explain the joke to you?

"I like to think it's the fans wish for him to actually be in the game that made Sakurai consider it. Wouldn't it be interesting if this was indeed true? It would be nice knowing that a character got into smash because it's something fans wanted, and worked together to get."

See what I said earlier about this, we're not going to start speculating on shit because fans "wish for it".

TLDR: It's an obvious joke made by a guy known for his entertaining antics, thus we will not cover it as if it's factual information about Smash 4 content. Also knock it off with the "it could be" and "wouldn't it be nice if X happened?" when they have no basis whatsoever for determining what information goes on the Wiki. Omega Tyrant 00:11, 5 December 2013 (EST)

the fact your so dead set on stating it is a joke and nothing more, without even considering the possibility of it being true, is disappointing. I figured that when it comes to a game company that is known for surprises and /silly/ things, people would learn to stop taking everything so seriously. After all games are supposed to be fun, and providing information about them should be as well. But you're really sucking the fun out of things by getting all uppity about this. I guess we will just have to wait and see how things turn out then. If its not true, then that's perfectly fine and I'll admit I was wrong. But if it does turn out to be true, and the necessary signatures for the petition are met, then making Reggie's Smash.4 character page is something I will thoroughly enjoy doing.
Ixbran (talk) 00:22, 5 December 2013 (EST)

"the fact your so dead set on stating it is a joke and nothing more"

Because obvious joke is obvious? You're the only one who's taking the joke seriously.

"without even considering the possibility of it being true"

SmashWiki is not speculative

"I figured that when it comes to a game company that is known for surprises and /silly/ things, people would learn to stop taking everything so seriously."

Except you know, this is the Wiki mainspace, an online encyclopedia, where it is completely serious. Do you know what a Wiki is for? The forums and userspaces are for fun, not the mainspace.

"and providing information about them should be as well."

Except the "information" you're trying to add here isn't actual information at all, and read my prior sentence.

"But you're really sucking the fun out of things by getting all uppity about this."

Again, read What SmashWiki is not. We are an online encyclopedia, not a pseudo-news site that reports things because "they're fun". And don't complain about users here "being uppity", because they maintain the factual basis of the Wiki and don't let you use it to post pseudo-news about how a guy joked about being in Smash Bros.

"If its not true, then that's perfectly fine and I'll admit I was wrong. But if it does turn out to be true, and the necessary signatures for the petition are met, then making Reggie's Smash.4 character page is something I will thoroughly enjoy doing."

You want to complain that I'm "taking things too seriously", yet here you are taking a joke from a guy notorious for them completely serious, and getting emotional and whiny about it when others shut you down about it. Don't be a hypocrite. Omega Tyrant 00:42, 5 December 2013 (EST)

I'd just like to note here that Nintendo stated just this past week that, back when Operation Rainfall was the petition-of-the-day, while they did ultimately decide to do what the fans wanted, they flat-out ignored the petition in the final decision process. So I'd say the chances of Sakurai even considering one are just about zero. Toomai Glittershine The Rainbow 10:11, 5 December 2013 (EST)

The Unidentified 3DS Stage is a DK Country Returns 3D Stage!

WHY WON'T ANYBODY ADMIT THAT THE UNIDENTIFIED 3DS STAGE IS A DK COUNTRY RETURNS 3D STAGE?! I JUST KNOW IT IS ONE! Luigi1234 (talk)

Firstly, you seem to have your caps lock stuck. It's the key to the left of "A", turn it off, as ALLCAPS is disruptive to talk page discussions as per SW:TALK. Secondly, there is no official source that it is a DK stage, so if you try to make this edit again, it'll just be reverted. Heck, [List of confirmed stages in Super Smash Bros. 4|this page] even has a clear note saying "do not claim that this is a DK stage". Scr7(talk · contribs) 13:46, 23 December 2013 (EST)

"I just know it is one"

That is not good enough, as far as we see, the stage could be many different things at this point. Sure it could very well be a DK stage, but SmashWiki is not speculative, and we want official confirmation or else hard evidence that strongly supports it, before we go claiming it on the Wiki as fact that it's going to be a DK stage. Omega Tyrant 13:56, 23 December 2013 (EST)

I don't think it is. Sakurai says that the game HAS a story mode and another photo released of a similar looking stage was posted with that comment.

While I believe there probably will be a stage from Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D, I don't believe this is it. The platforms in this stage look nothing like the platforms in DKCR. The only connection is that they both take place in a jungle, but even this is a stretch. None of the foliage have the characteristically cartoon-esch tropical palm trees in DKCR. Nintendo101 (talk) 12:44, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

Per SW:TALK, don't bump discussions that happened almost three months ago. MeatBall104: The Bikini-Inspector! >:D 17:00, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

Assist Characters

"ATs should probably not get that kind of significant billing on the game's main page; Brawl's page doesn't even list them"
-Toomai

If you dont mind my asking, are there any specific reasons as to why their not included, on either the Brawl or Smash.4 pages? I mean sure their not playable, but it would be nice for people browsing the wiki to be able to access their page from the games pages.
Ixbran (talk) 01:11, 29 December 2013 (EST)

Different Colors?

I think I saw a pic on the SSB4 website, with King Dedede lying on the ground on the Mario Galaxy stage, and his hat was PINK! should I post this as news? -The Master Hand

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Besides the fact Dedede already had a pink palette, any new palette would go on the character's page, it's not newsworthy unless it's a significant alt costume (like Dr. Mario for Mario). Omega Tyrant 08:03, 10 January 2014 (EST)

ssb4 release date be like

December 31, 2014. Chilex (talk) 11:18, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Amazon? Really? What kind of source is that... 93.105.60.106 11:46, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Naw bro, the game also comes out September 1st, but sure, let's trust Amazon. After all, this obscure site chooses the same date, which is actually the safest day to bet on because by then, SSB4 has to be released rather than predicting the actual day of release earlier in the year. Also:

• Reportedly, GameStop is expecting that Super Smash Bros. 4 Wii U and Nintendo 3DS release date may be set for April 8, 2014. The post on Examiner noted that this particular Super Smash Bros. 4 release date falls on a Tuesday. Usually, this is the day of the week when most of the new software items are released to retailers.

• However, before this latest Super Smash Bros. 4 Wii U release date emerged, other potential schedules were already popping up online. For instance, the website, Newegg.com posted that Super Smash Bros. 4 Wii U release date might happen on December 31. Meanwhile, the launch of the Nintendo 3DS version was believed to come out on May 16, 2014.

Gee, retailers are really trustworthy, right? MegaTron1XD 12:07, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Items

Should we post a list of items, like we have for characters and stages? 76.99.4.197 20:56, 6 February 2014 (EST)

Well we don't do so for the other games' pages, so I'm going to say no. Toomai Glittershine The Free 21:53, 6 February 2014 (EST)

Remove the "unidentified stage"

The stages section of this article is reserved for multiplayer stages, yes? Due to the size of the stage, lack of clear origin, and the fact that we've only seen one character inside it, it's obvious to me that the "unidentified stage" is part of the single-player mode, just like this area. It should also be taken out of the List of confirmed stages article, and we should provide details on what we know of the single-player mode on the article. Provided you all agree, that is. Toast ltimatum 20:02, 13 February 2014 (EST)

Nothing proves that it is a single player stage. I think it's some other mode as well, but it could easily be a zoom of some New Pork City type of stage or something else. Because SmashWiki is not speculative, it stays. --72.53.134.85 16:14, 19 February 2014 (EST)

But what of Yoshi, Ness, Captain Falcon and Jigglypuff?

Am I the only one around here who's getting paranoid that those characters got the axe? 81.155.191.75 03:21, 7 March 2014 (EST)

Please read SW:TALK. Miles (talk) 03:21, 7 March 2014 (EST)

I'll also quickly point out that reveal order is pretty much meaningless, and people have to stop whinging about it. It's clear by now that Sakurai does it randomly or to promote the release of new games (and guess what, none of those characters had any new games lately they could promote (well there was Pokemon X/Y, but Jigglypuff is among the least relevant pokemon in it, so it made no sense to reveal her to "promote" X/Y)). If you want to do any farther discussion, take it to the forums. Omega Tyrant 04:29, 7 March 2014 (EST)

Grammar

I know this is a waste of time, but someone has to do this.

Every time I read this page, it bothers me when it says 3DS stuff can be IMPORTED into the WiiU. It should say "imparted."75.85.64.155 01:37, 2 April 2014 (EDT)

Nope, "imported" is the correct word for taking data from one source and copying it to another. Toomai Glittershine The Jiggy 10:37, 2 April 2014 (EDT)

Nintendo's SSB4 April Fools Day Joke

Aparrently, though its not visible on the website via an icon, there is a character profile for a nintendo character by the name of Nester?

• http://www.smashbros.us/us/characters/nester.html

Should this be noted on the Wiki, or should we just leave it alone?
Ixbran (talk) 01:04, 3 April 2014 (EDT)

1. The page in question isn't hosted on the official site. Look at the domain: the main url features a .us, whereas the official site uses the standard .com
2. If you go to site without all of the guff at the end of the URL (eg www.smashbros.us), you get an image with a link to another site still, which is a fanblog devoted to an attempt to revive Nintendo Power.

As such, this page does not warrant inclusion on this page, due to being non-notable and fanon.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 01:17, 3 April 2014 (EDT)

Ahh, alrighty then. I hadnt noticed the oddity in the URL, my bad. Oh well, I understand. Thank you for answering my question.
Ixbran (talk) 01:30, 3 April 2014 (EDT)

Music page?

I was wondering if we could have a music page for songs heard on trailers and songs confirmed for the My Music on Wii U and 3DS? Magiciandude (talk) 23:13, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

Probably not yet. Toomai Glittershine The Altruistic 23:18, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

bunch of new screen shots posted on flickr

click me

I'd post these my self, but i'm kind of busy. So i figured that y'all should know about these, shows off a lot of stuff that wasn't in the direct, specifically items.
Ixbran (talk) 02:20, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Looks 99.95% legit to me, but these should stay listed as rumors until confirmed by a more official source. Miles (talk) 02:23, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

its the same situation of all those Zelda pics. Official images released on alternate websites by official staff. But if you dont want these getting uploaded, then alright.
Ixbran (talk) 02:47, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

These Wii U shots have been posted on Nintendo Everything (http://nintendoeverything.com/super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-tons-of-screenshots/). They also have new 3DS shots (that weren't on that flickr) that confirm other Pokémon then the ones in the Direct. (http://nintendoeverything.com/super-smash-bros-for-3ds-tons-of-screenshots/)108.208.102.9 03:35, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

This is guaranteed 100% confirmed sinciere irrefutable truth. It is pretty much impossible for even a team of fakers to produce so many screenshots of such quality, that happen to have the same ATs and Pokémon, Yoshi design, and items as those confirmed hours earlier. These is real there's zero doubt about it. Toomai Glittershine Le Grand Fromage 10:00, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Pretty much. Other sites are posting them now. 38.124.7.10 12:19, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Indeterminate Veterans Table

Should a table like this be added below the confirmed characters?

Indeterminate

*

Post Ike Announcement

*

As characters are confirmed, their heads can be removed. 130.102.158.13 06:22, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

I don't see what the purpose of this is. Toomai Glittershine The Researcher 09:30, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

I do. This makes for a great way to jot down the veterans that haven't been confirmed yet. That way, when one is confirmed, we can get rid of their image, and any that get de-confirmed like the Pokemon Trainer can have a big X (X) next to their icon. How about it? --EpicWendigo (talk) 20:30, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

It's pretty obvious who's not confirmed - those who aren't on the page. Toomai Glittershine The Metroid 22:50, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

I my self think its a good idea, it doesn't hurt to show what veterans from brawl have yet to re-appear. A nice instant reminder of whos yet to appear, without having to look through the site to remind ones self whos not yet confirmed.
Ixbran (talk) 23:14, 20 April 2014 (EDT)

So I went ahead and added the intermediates, along with the Melee characters and their series symbols. SeanWheeler (talk) 09:29, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

Yep looks about as bad as I expected; now the page is no longer purely confirmed information. You're going to need a bit more than "it tells us who's unconfirmed or deconfirmed" when doing so isn't really the purpose of the page. Toomai Glittershine The Jiggy 09:57, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

+1 to Toomai. No need for this right now. Once the game is out, we can have a section on peeps that don't reappear, but no good reason to have it. Also, indeterminate is not the right word. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 10:01, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

they said metanight WILL return --Reshiram1105 (talk) 22:23, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

Probably shouldn't be replying to 3 month old discussions, additionally, no one has officially said that Meta Knight will return. Laikue (talk) 22:33, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

Tethers removed?

Just noticed, it seems tether recoveries are being removed. We haven't seen any used yet, and Olimar and Zero Suit Samus have new up special recovery moves replacing their tethers. Omega Tyrant 20:23, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Sheik's chain also seems to have been replaced. No word on Link/Toon Link, ZSS's side special, or potentially other returning characters with tethers (Ice Climbers, Lucas, etc.). Miles (talk) 20:26, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Sheik also lost her chain (well, the end has a bomb on it now). You might be right, but I think we should wait for an official confirmation, like gliding. After all, Samus and Link might still be able to zair tether. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 20:28, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

We have already seen Link using the Clawshot, we just don't know if it can grab edges, or even be used in the air yet. Toast ltimatum 23:46, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Or if it'll be a wall-grapple or a tether recovery. Magiciandude (talk) 23:56, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

I thought that Smash Wiki wasn't speculative! Bug Man Stan (talk) 14:44, 28 April 2014 (EDT)

Looks like today's PotD clears up tethers. JohnnyWellens 04:26, 29 April 2014 (EDT)

Wrong Final Destination picture?

In the pictures of stages in both versions, the 3DS one is not confirmed, why is there a Gerudo Valley in Final Destination form? The stage that's meant to be put there is Final Destination, not the Final Destination form of other stages. *FURIOUSLY FANBOYS OVER MEGAMAN* (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2014 (EDT)

Don't worry about it. This is just a placeholder until we get an official picture of the stage on the 3DS version. Bug Man Stan (talk) 14:43, 28 April 2014 (EDT)

Wrong image

In the section Multi-Player stages, the image for Final Destination is an image of the Final Destination of Gerudo Valley, not Final Destination itself. Could someone fix that, as I am not sure I can without messing something else up. Thanks. Mesuxelf 15:48, 1 May 2014 (EDT)

That's the only 3DS variant of FD we've had confirmed so far, and it's noted as such. (Mouse over the text "3DS" above it.) When the design not based on another stage is revealed, we'll switch the image for that. Miles (talk) 15:50, 1 May 2014 (EDT)

Providing a citation

I'm not going to register just to provide this citation.

Regarding the last claim made on this page regarding Sakurai possibly considering DLC, this is your source. (http://playeressence.com/super-smash-bros-wii-u-no-dlc-plans-yet/) -GBPA

Personally, I think it's SOMETHING, but probably not notable enough to be put here. Also, sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). MeatBall104; Ready for speedo season! 11:57, 25 May 2014 (EDT)

Australia

I was having a scroll through the official Facebook page for SSB4, and I saw something surprising. Here's the full post, with the important parts highlighted:

Super #SmashBros. for Nintendo 3DS is planned for this summer, and we're targeting winter 2014 for the Wii U version*! Series director Masahiro Sakurai revealed a ton of new information on the upcoming games during the special Super Smash Bros. Direct, including new characters, items, Assist Trophies, features and more! Catch up with all the latest news on YouTube!

US link: http://youtu.be/7xUWnQu2Grs

UK link: http://youtu.be/PpT0gLC7-vU

AUS link: http://youtu.be/zIQjGH_SZlg

Thanks everyone for watching - and stay tuned to Smash Bros. on Facebook for more updates!

(*For Australia & New Zealand: Nintendo 3DS planned for this winter and Wii U targeting summer 2014.)

...So... Australia get the Wii U version in the summer...? I checked the Australian Nintendo Direct, but it was the same as the European one. Still... could Australia really be getting the Wii U game first? This has me very curious. Toast ltimatum 20:07, 26 May 2014 (EDT)

Read up on how seasons work in the northern and southern hemispheres, Toast. Miles (talk) 20:09, 26 May 2014 (EDT)

If anything, Australia will be getting the release of both games exactly one day after Europe's release of the respective titles. It's how they have been released so far.--Shwido 00:02, 27 May 2014 (EDT)

Home Stages

Why do most of the stages have nothing to do with any characters? For instance, why don't Donkey Kong or Fox have home stages? Does anyone think that this is strange? --EpicWendigo (talk) 21:51, 2 June 2014 (EDT)

Brawl had 41 stages (31 new, 10 old) and we've seen 13 per game plus 3 for both so far (total 29); that's a lot of room for unrevealed stages. Toomai Glittershine The Yellow 22:34, 2 June 2014 (EDT)

I know, but you'd think the first stages that would be revealed would be only home stages. --EpicWendigo (talk) 00:26, 3 June 2014 (EDT)

"You'd think"=/=Sakurai logic. MegaTron1XD 01:11, 3 June 2014 (EDT)

True. Sakurai does think on a level that is too incomprehensible and awesome for us to comprehend in an awesome manner. --EpicWendigo (talk) 01:50, 3 June 2014 (EDT)

Name?

Question, why are we calling this game Super Smash Bros. 4? I am pretty sure Sakurai said Super Smash Bros for Wii U and Nintendo 3DS is their final title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ma321 (talk • contribs) 08:21, June 3, 2014 (CDT)

As Stated before, it's their collective title, as otherwise, the page title would be un-necessarily long, we'll probably make separate pages for them once they're released (due to their many differences), but for now the page title should stay Super Smash Bros. 4. (And other Pages should follow this rule when referring to both games as a whole, while calling them out individually for console exclusive aspects.) Laikue (talk) 10:55, 3 June 2014 (EDT)

Also, yes, it was Sakurai who said it. At the time, he was probably referring to just the Japanese version. If it had been someone from Nintendo of America who said it, your argument would have been valid. Too bad it really is their final title now... RickTommy 22:30, 3 July 2014 (EDT)

Pre-order information

Not sure where to incorporate it so I'll write it here. According to the E3 Nintendo website here, the first 70 people who pre-order SSB4 at the Best Buy events on June 11 and 14 will receive a collectible Super Smash Bros. coin. ht14 _(talk) 11:31, 3 June 2014 (EDT)

Newcomer Order

Out of Curiosity, Is there an order to the newcomers? it doesn't seem to be by reveal time, alphabetical or anything. Tacopill (talk) 19:12, 10 June 2014 (EDT)

It's by veteran universes, followed by newcomer universes. See this page for how I personally do it. Toomai Glittershine The Resolute 19:14, 10 June 2014 (EDT)

Ah, that makes sense. Thank you for the info. Tacopill (talk) 19:55, 10 June 2014 (EDT)

I'm going to go on record and say that I think the way the character section looks is stupid. It doesn't make any sense to me why you guys want to try to keep everything centered and then when something new comes out you wind up totally changing how it appears. In my personal opinion I think you should just let the characters stay side by side and if there are 3 blank squares in the last row at the end, then so be it, I've seen the layout change like 10 times since I joined this site, it's ridiculous.JohnnyWellens 14:52, 11 June 2014 (EDT)

It does have to be constantly changed yes, but at least we can make it look okay in the meantime. It's not like it takes much editing effort. Toomai Glittershine The Prismatic 14:53, 11 June 2014 (EDT)

But that's the thing, it doesn't look okay. It looks like someone cares way too much about centering. Just fill up the boxes with side by side characters and leave it at that. My opinion of course. JohnnyWellens 14:59, 11 June 2014 (EDT)

Artworks

I wasn't entirely sure where to put this, but I decided this would work. Sorry if it doesn't.

The official website uses a background similar to Brawl's artwork has for each of the characters artworks. Should we add this? Nutta Butta (talk) 17:35, 11 June 2014 (EDT)

The character artworks themselves are transparent, with the page background gradient showing through. There's not really anything we can do about it, and I don't think there's any reason why we would. Toomai Glittershine The Resolute 17:50, 11 June 2014 (EDT)

Swimming

I've seen how there appears to be no swimming on the Animal Crossing stage in SSB43D, but at the Best Buy Smash Fest, after the match, one of the many stats it lists is "swim time". Could it be that either swimming has yet to be programmed, or that the results screen may have copied assets from Brawl and they hadn't changed it yet? -- _{(The preceding signed comment was made by Ghabulous Ghoti)} 12:49, 12 June 2014 (EDT)

It could also be that swimming has been disabled for the demo, or they're testing the game with swimming disabled to see how balance is affected. We can only really say that it doesn't appear in the demo, there's quite a lot of possible reasons why. Toomai Glittershine The Producer 12:53, 12 June 2014 (EDT)

Edit

Why can't I edit the page?Smasher-Billy (talk) 07:24, 16 June 2014 (EDT)

The page is protected so that only certain users can edit it. This prevents unconstructive edits.Tepig (talk) 19:14, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

To specific, the page is semi-protected, so that IPs and user who haven't been autoconfirmed (i.e. new users) can't edit the page, to prevent the flood of excess speculative edits that would occur. Omega Tyrant 20:49, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

Character portrait shadows or not?

At the moment, some character artwork does not have a shadow in it, whereas others do. I assume this is because they have all been taken from a variety of sources. For the sake of being consistent, like squaring off all the images, I think they should all be the same (that is, they all have shadows or all lack shadows). Which is preferred? The latest press release has every character portrait at resolution of at least 3500 pixels both ways (when cropped), and no shadow, so uploading all of those would be the easiest way around, unless shadows are truly desired. In this case, character artwork that currently doesn't have a shadow should be updated. Krazy4Krash (talk) 11:05, 21 June 2014 (EDT)

I don't know why people started uploading shadowless versions from press kits (at unnecessary sizes), because it's a guarantee that the next time we get a reveal, we'll only have the shadowed version available. Toomai Glittershine The Yellow 13:31, 21 June 2014 (EDT)

Popular names

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but a couple names for this new.. generation I guess, (both games combined) that I have seen growing in popularity in my area and online are "Sm4sh" and "Super Smash Bros. Kerfuffle." those two should be added to the page somewhere, like either at the beginning or in a little section or something. I don't know how wiki's work lol, just trying to help out. -Khaz Khazarel (talk) 04:47, 23 June 2014 (EDT)

Links to show that "Kerfuffle" is a common name? I seen Sm4sh used a lot, but never seen "Kerfuffle". Omega Tyrant 05:31, 23 June 2014 (EDT)

Boxart Revealed

Should we swap out the collective logo for the Wii U and 3DS boxart? Lumastar (talk) 1:12, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U are the fourth and fifth games respectively.

Link

Sakurai: ...we're now going into versions four and five within the series—this is only something that's now possible.

Kotaku: When you say four and five, do you mean the 3DS and Wii U versions? Those are separate?

Sakurai: Yeah, exactly.

According to a Kotaku interview with Sakurai, he refers the games as the fourth and fifth games. So I think, like on Wikipedia, refer the games as the fourth and the fifth games (3DS and Wii U respectively). Yeah, it's old news, but I'm sure no one noticed that until now, but it's up to you guys, keep it up. --Flight (talk) 23:39, 29 June 2014 (EDT)

In this case, it would be like referring to Pokémon Green as Pokémon 1 and Pokémon Blue as Pokémon 2. Iteration wise, yes, the 3DS version would be the 4th and the Wii U version would be the fifth, if only because they were released at different times, but the community as a whole prefers referring to both games as just Super Smash Bros. 4, regardless of what Sakurai wants to number them. MegaTron1XD 23:47, 29 June 2014 (EDT)

Green and Blue are the same game with the only differences being version exclusive Pokémon; we already know these will be significantly more different than that. Really, it should come down to how different they end up being after the Wii U game is released. Until we know more, though, I'd agree that we should keep them as one. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 01:59, 30 June 2014 (EDT)

I thought it was Red and Blue... but back on topic, I'd say keep it as the fourth game in the series. Maybe on their individual pages call them fourth and fifth (probably not), but for the most part, they are #4. Nutta Butta (talk) 15:38, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

Steel Diver stage?

This new trailer for Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS was launched recently, and aparently only a few people have catch a glance at it. At 1:05 you can get to see some submarines, suggesting a stage based on, presumably, Steel Diver, unless it is something else, I don't know... --Byllant (talk) 01:34, 3 July 2014 (EDT)

I think that was the trophy viewer. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 01:53, 3 July 2014 (EDT)

I'm inclined to agree with FirstaLasto here; it does resemble the trophy Diorama mode from Brawl. Unless we see characters standing on the subs, I'm not inclined to assume it's a stage. Miles (talk) 07:21, 3 July 2014 (EDT)

It looks a lot like a stage to me. I think it needs mentioned somewhere... Nutta Butta (talk) 11:38, 3 July 2014 (EDT)

I looked it over frame by frame, and it seems like a stage as the red sub seems to be moving at a different angle/speed than the other two. (although it may just be the trophy camera being moved oddly.) Laikue (talk) 22:36, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

really its an item --Reshiram1105 (talk) 22:20, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

This is unconfirmed, and we should probably leave it alone, as Smash 4 is coming out soon. Finish this up, I need to archive this.Qwerty the lord 15:35, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

I think that, since we mentioned the unknown one-player stage (Smash Run), we should mention this under "unknown" with some mention of it resembling the other things it resembles. Nutta Butta (talk) 15:36, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

What if it's a stage in another mode? Seriously, there is no conclusive evidence that this is a stage.Qwerty the lord 17:24, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

Introductions vs. Art

Should we replace the newcomer art with the newcomer introductions?

Like this one.

Nutta Butta (talk) 18:03, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

We should keep it as the newcomer art as is because of consistency. Having the newcomer introduction pictures just doesn't feel like something that should be shown on the page while some veterans, such as Charizard, also received an introduction picture. If newcomer arts were replaced with their introduction pictures, the veteran pictures would also have to be replaced, and it would just disrupt the consistency even more. MegaTron1XD 18:15, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

Character artwork. Consistent among all characters and with the other game pages. Miles (talk) 18:27, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

I think you misunderstood me. I meant in the gallery at the bottom, with the images like this:

Nutta Butta (talk) 18:28, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

Those have the games' logo on them to show they're official art for the game rather than just the character. That's why those belong on this page at all instead of only on character pages. Miles (talk) 18:40, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

Not all of them do, Mega Man, Greninja, and Palutena don't. Nutta Butta (talk) 18:50, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

You still didn't address the consistency issue. That still remains, and it'd be better if all the character arts in the tables for all four games remained consistent in presenting the same artwork style of the character, as it is now. MegaTron1XD 19:11, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

...none of the other games have either. Nutta Butta (talk) 19:24, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

And that's why we should keep the character art as is. Be consistent throughout all four games because the first three don't have this option. MegaTron1XD 20:03, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

I'm not talking about the table, I'm talking about the gallery. At the bottom. With the images like the one I put as an example (Pac-Man, not Little Mac). Brawl, Melee, and 64 don't have these "posters" nor the "Little Mac Punches In"-type quotes, therefore the only way to be consistent is to remove it altogether. Nutta Butta (talk) 20:39, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

Was in a Dota mode, so my response was pretty messy. The posters were all intended as general character presentations for the series. Mega Man and Greninja show multiple characters, while Palutena's shows both Pit and Link in it. Every poster depicts multiple characters, and belong on the Smash page because, like Miles said, they're art for the game and its characters in general, but they also feature the character. MegaTron1XD 20:57, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

That's a more satisfying response :P Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nutta Butta (talk • contribs) 19:59, July 12, 2014 (CDT)