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'''Ike''' is a playable character in the ''[[Brawl]]'' mod ''[[Project M]]''. Since Ike's first appearance in the series is as a fighter in ''Brawl'', his general speed has been significantly increased to fit the mechanics of ''Project M''. In particular, Ike has improved combo-starting abilities, such as a more versatile [[Quick Draw]], a less laggy back aerial, and a quicker up aerial. | |||
'''Ike''' is a playable character in the ''[[Brawl]]'' mod ''[[Project M]]'' | |||
Ike ranks 25th out of 41 on the [[Project M#Tier list|official]] [[tier list]], at the top of the C tier, a marginal drop from his position as 23rd out of 38 on the ''Brawl'' tier list. On the ''Project+'' {{h2|Project+|official tier list}}, he is ranked 14th in the A tier, a significant improvement over his placement in either ''Brawl'' or ''Project M''. | |||
==Attributes== | ==Attributes== | ||
As a swordsman, Ike has many long distance attacks with disjointed hitboxes. As a result of this advantageous attribute, he can carefully space between his opponents, while simultaneously dealing high knockback and damage. Ike is a heavyweight (being the heaviest swordsman, not including {{PM|Ganondorf}}, who only uses his sword for his down taunt that he can attack with) with, as a result of his buffed mobility, a decent dash speed, an average air speed, and an average falling speed. Ike's attacks are among the most powerful in the game, especially his ground attacks, with many dealing immense knockback that can reliably KO around mid percentages, especially when sweetspotted, located at the middle of the sword's blade. His [[Eruption]] is an effective edgeguarder functioning similarly to {{PM|Roy}}'s [[Flare Blade]], as it inflicts high vertical knockback when charged at any stage, OHKOing when fully charged and repelling the opponent at a semi-spike angle at a fast speed. | |||
*{{buff| | Ike's recovery has been buffed from ''Brawl'', as his [[Aether]] goes a bit further horizontally. [[Quick Draw]] has been improved as well. The move charges faster, can be cancelled, and even OHKOs if fully charged. The changes to these two moves give Ike several recovery options he did not have previously. | ||
Ike's greatest strength, however, is his jab attack. Arguably the best move in his arsenal, it possesses great reach, is fast, deals high damage, and can be jab canceled for quick setups. While the jab's power was nerfed from ''Brawl'', it remains one of the most powerful jabs and is especially vital in Ike's metagame. | |||
Ike's aerial game is above average. As with his ground attacks, his aerial arsenal consists of powerful attacks that possess great KO potential, even when not sweetspotted. Ike is capable of juggling characters, especially floaty characters (ie {{PM|Jigglypuff}}, {{PM|Zelda}}, and {{PM|Samus}}), with his up air. His back and forward aerials are effective horizontal finishers against light characters. Ike's down aerial, when sweetspotted, is a powerful [[spike]] that is capable of effectively KOing opponents around mid-high percentages, even when grounded. Even when not sweetspotted, the move is still a [[meteor smash]], provided that Ike lands the clean hitbox, making it a strong finisher with decent utility regardless. | |||
Ike's primary flaw lies in his very laggy attacks, especially his ground attacks. While these attacks are powerful, their slow speeds and long start and end lag render Ike vulnerable to many combo setups and punishes. His tall height is also considered a drawback, as it makes his hurtbox quite large and thus making him easy to hit and combo, which is compounded by his heavy weight. Additionally, while Ike has above average options for horizontal and vertical recovery, he lacks any diagonal means of getting back onto stages. Besides that, his existing recovery moves are arguably predictable and can easily be gimped. | |||
==Changes from ''Brawl'' to PM== | |||
Ike has been significantly buffed from the transition from ''Brawl'' to ''Project M''. His ground speed has been increased and many of his attacks have decreased startup and ending lag greatly increasing his overall speed and making his attacks far less punishable. All of his aerials have greatly decreased ending lag and they can now all [[auto-cancel]] in a short hop which when combined with the introduction of [[L-canceling]] greatly improves their safety. The hilt of his sword is now stronger on all of his attacks giving his attacks more strength when used at close range. | |||
Ike has also seen some nerfs. The most significant nerf he received was to his spacing ability. The tip of his sword is now weaker than the rest of his sword making many of his attacks weaker when spaced. This forces him to approach in order for him to effectively use his attacks which leaves him more vulnerable. Asides from this, his general KO potential has been decreased especially outside of the hilt of his sword and his jab is noticeably weaker and has less [[jab cancel]]ing potential (although it is still one of his best tools). Lastly, his aerials no longer have transcendent priority making it easier for his opponents to challenge his aerials. | |||
Overall, Ike's weaknesses are far less detrimental than they used to be and he is overall a more effective character as a result. | |||
===Attributes=== | |||
*{{change|Ike's sword attacks now have a new system to them, where they now have sweetspot, sourspot, and mediumspot hitboxes located at the middle, tip, and hilt of his sword, respectively.}} | |||
*{{buff|Ike [[walk]]s faster (0.88 → 1.2).}} | |||
*{{buff|Ike [[dash]]es faster (1.371 → 1.55).}} | |||
*{{buff|Ike's [[air speed]] is marginally higher (0.9212 → 0.925).}} | |||
*{{change|As with all ''Brawl'' newcomers, Ike's [[falling speed]] (1.65 → 2.05) and [[gravity]] (0.0837 → 0.103) are higher. Relative to the cast however, Ike falls slower.}} | |||
*{{change|Ike's [[traction]] is much higher (0.044 → 0.08). This makes it easier for him to punish out of shield but makes his new [[wavedash]] much shorter.}} | |||
*{{buff|Jumpsquat is slightly faster (frame 6 → 5).}} | |||
*{{buff|Ike [[jump]]s higher (2.26 → 2.65 (full hop)).}} | |||
*{{buff|The general amount of [[landing lag]] Ike experiences has been reduced due to the reintroduction of [[L-canceling]].}} | |||
*{{buff|Both shield stun and [[shield damage]] capabilities have been greatly improved.}} | *{{buff|Both shield stun and [[shield damage]] capabilities have been greatly improved.}} | ||
*{{ | *{{nerf|Ike's super [[glide toss]] covers much less distance.}} | ||
= | ===Ground Attacks=== | ||
===2.1 | *{{buff|The third hit of neutral attack has less startup lag (frame 10 → 8) and the second and third hits have less ending lag (frame 20 → 18 (hit 2), frame 38 → 36 (hit 3)).}} | ||
*{{nerf| | *{{change|The first two hits of neutral attack deal consistent set knockback (50/40/30 → 30 (hit 1), 20 (hit 2)).}} | ||
*{{change|Ike's | *{{nerf|The second hit of neutral attack deals less damage (5% → 3%) and the third hit no longer deals consistent damage (7% → 7%/6%/5%) and has less base knockback (60 → 45) hindering its KO potential. The first hit can also no longer be held out by holding the attack button and both the first and second hits have reduced [[jab cancel]] combo potential.}} | ||
*{{buff|Dash attack has less startup lag with a longer duration (frames 18-19 → 16-19 (clean), 20-22 (late)), has less ending lag (frame 51 → 45), deals more damage (8%/7% → 14%/12%/10% (clean), 10%/9%/7% (late)) and sends opponents at a more advantageous angle (40°/80° → 361°). The sweetspot also deals more knockback (70 (base), 70 (scaling) → 50/75).}} | |||
*{{nerf|Dash attack has slightly less reach and the new late hit deals less knockback (70 (base), 70 (scaling) → 20/75).}} | |||
*{{buff|Forward tilt has significantly less startup (frame 17 → 11) and ending lag (frame 56 → 36).}} | |||
*{{nerf|Forward tilt has less knockback (38 (base)/100 (growth) → 35/95) and the sourspots deal slightly less damage (14%/12% → 13%/11%).}} | |||
*{{buff|Up tilt has decreased startup (frame 13 → 9) and ending lag (frame 50 → 35), and now has a sweetspot which deals more damage (12% → 14%) making it a better KO move. The clean hit also has a longer duration (frames 13-15 → 9-14).}} | |||
*{{change|The late hit no longer deals consistent damage (10% → 11%/10%/9%).}} | |||
*{{nerf|Up tilt has a shorter duration (frames 13-29 → 9-21) and the clean hit sends opponents at a less vertical angle (95°/92°/88°/85° → 85°/75°). Both hits have reduced knockback (70 (base), 90 (scaling) → 40/110 (clean), 25/110 (late)).}} | |||
*{{buff|Down tilt has much less ending lag (frame 55 → 31), allowing it to combo into itself at lower percents.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Down tilt no longer deals consistent damage (14% → 14%/12%/10%) and it deals less knockback (55 (base), 100 (scaling) → 35/95 (tip), 20/95). The sourspots send opponents at a higher angle (40° → 60°/70°) and the [[meteor]] hitbox is now placed on the hilt of his sword rather than the tip making it more difficult to edgeguard with. It also only has one meteor hitbox instead of two.}} | |||
*{{buff|Forward smash has less startup lag with a longer duration (frames 31-34 → 30-35) and it has less ending lag (frame 80 → 67). The tip deals more damage (17% → 18%) and sends opponents at a less vertical angle (60° → 45°). There is also a new sweetspot on the hilt which deals more damage (22% → 25%).}} | |||
*{{nerf|Except for the tip, forward smash has reduced base knockback (50 → 45) and sends opponents at a slightly higher angle (40° → 45°) hindering its KO potential at the middle of the sword.}} | |||
*{{buff|Up smash no longer has a weaker late hit and as with forward smash, the hilt deals more damage (19% → 22%). All hits have increased knockback growth (85 → 90) and the tip sends opponents at a higher angle (65° → 80°). Ike's [[DACUS]] also covers more distance.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Up smash has slightly more ending lag (frame 67 → 68) and the hilt hitboxes send opponents at a lower angle (82°/75° → 70°). As with forward smash, the tip is now weaker than the rest of the move dealing less damage (19%/17% → 16%). His running up smash also covers less distance forcing him to use his DACUS to approach with up smash.}} | |||
*{{buff|Down smash has less startup lag (frame 13 → 12 (hit 1), frame 16 → 12 (hit 2)). The first hit of down smash's hitboxes send opponents backwards (65°/70°/75°/82° → 140°/150°) allowing it to connect with the second hit and both hits have been strengthened, with the first hit dealing more damage (13% → 16%/14%/11%) while the second hit launches opponents horizontally (65°/70°/75°/82° → 40°/30° and deals more knockback (30 (base), 100 (scaling) → 35/115). The second hit is now optional similar to {{PM|Link}}'s and {{PM|Pit}}'s forward smashes, as well as {{PM|Bowser}}'s down tilt allowing him to only use the first hit and suffer from much less ending lag (frame 70 → 40). Much like his other smashes, the hilt is now stronger than the rest of his sword.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Down smash's second hit deals less damage (16% → 15%/13%/11%) and it's late hit has been removed reducing its duration (frames 16-28 → 11-15). The tip is also weaker on both hits than his old down smash.}} | |||
=== | ===Aerial Attacks=== | ||
*{{buff|Ike's | *{{nerf|All of Ike's aerials have lost their transcendent priority.}} | ||
*{{buff|Ike's | *{{buff|However, the removal of transcendent priority on his aerials allows them to cancel out projectiles.}} | ||
*{{buff|Ike's | *{{buff|Neutral, Forward, and Up aerials have more landing lag (12 frames → 18 (neutral), 21 frames → 26 (forward), 18 frames → 24 (up)), though this is compensated with the introduction of L-Canceling.}} | ||
*{{buff|Back and Down aerials have less landing lag (21 frames → 19 (back), 28 frames → 24 (down)).}} | |||
*{{buff|All aerials [[auto-cancel]] earlier (frame 67 → 35 (neutral), frame 45 → 37 (forward), frame 35 → 29 (back), frame 53 → 34 (up), frame 48 → 37 (down)) enabling all of them to auto-cancel out of a short hop (as opposed to just his back aerial).}} | |||
*{{buff|Neutral aerial has less startup (frame 15 → 7) and ending lag (frame 76 → 40) and deals much more damage (9% → 14%/12%/10%) improving its KO potential.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Neutral aerial has a shorter duration (frames 15-32 → 7-18) and has reduced knockback (35 (base), 105 (scaling) → 40/95) hindering the sourspot's KO potential. It also sends opponents at a less vertical angle (70° → 65°/55°) hindering its combo potential.}} | |||
*{{buff|Forward aerial has less start-up (frame 18 → 17) and ending lag (frame 60 → 47) and a sweetspot that does more damage (13% → 16%). All hits have more knockback growth (100 → 105).}} | |||
*{{change|Forward and back aerial's angles have been altered (40° → 361°/35°).}} | |||
*{{nerf|The tip of forward aerial deals less damage (13% → 10%).}} | |||
*{{buff|Back aerial has less ending lag (frame 50 → 36) and it deals more damage (14% → 17%/15%) improving its KO potential.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Back aerial has less vertical range and its tip deals less damage (14% → 12%).}} | |||
*{{buff|Up aerial has less startup (frame 15 → 9) and ending lag (frame 58 → 41) and its hilt deals more damage (14% → 15%). It also now has a stronger late hit which deals more damage (14% → 17%/15%) and base knockback (40 → 45).}} | |||
*{{nerf|Up aerial has a shorter duration (frames 15-31 → 9-24), sends opponents at a lower angle (80° → 70°/60° (early), 75°/65° (late)) and deals less damage (14% → 13%/11% (early), 12% (tip late)).}} | |||
*{{buff|Down aerial has less ending lag (frame 55 → 44) and the hilt of the clean hit deals slightly more damage (16% → 17%) and can now [[spike]] opponents (270° → 285°).}} | |||
*{{nerf|Down aerial has decreased base knockback (40 → 25 (clean), 10 (late)) and the clean hit's non hilt hitboxes deal less damage (16% → 14%/12%) and all late hitboxes deal less damage (12% → 10%/9%/7%).}} | |||
===Throws/other attacks=== | |||
*{{buff|Dash grab has less startup lag (frame 12 → 11).}} | |||
*{{nerf|Standing grab has more ending lag (frame 30 → 31) and pivot grab has more startup lag (frame 9 → 10).}} | |||
*{{nerf|Forward throw deals more knockback (50 (base), 50 (scaling) → 55/105) and sends opponents at a higher angle (28° → 55°). When combined with the changes to [[DI]], this hinders its chain grabbing and edgeguarding potential while still being too weak to realistically KO.}} | |||
*{{buff|Back throw deals more knockback (50 (base), 50 (scaling) → 60/100) improving its spacing potential though it still cannot KO reliably.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Back throw sends opponents at a higher angle (28° → 48°) hindering its edgeguarding potential.}} | |||
*{{buff|The universally increased falling speeds and the removal of [[hitstun canceling]] has granted up and down throw's chain grabbing and combo potential.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Up throw sends opponents at a slightly less vertical angle (90° → 88°) and has increased knockback growth (72 → 135) hindering its combo potential while still being too weak to KO most characters until extremely high percents.}} | |||
*{{buff|Down throw has reduced knockback (75 (base), 120 (scaling) → 70/60) improving its combo potential.}} | |||
*{{change|Down throw's angle has been altered (80° → 60°). This grants it [[tech chase]] potential against fast fallers but hinders its combo and chain grabbing potential.}} | |||
*{{buff|Down taunt now has a hitbox that deals 9%/7% damage and sends airborne or ledge hanging opponents downwards similar to {{PM|Luigi}}'s down taunt, only it is a [[meteor smash]] with normal knockback instead of a [[spike]] with set knockback.}} | |||
===Special Attacks=== | |||
*{{buff|A fully charged [[Eruption]] now acts much like Roy's [[Flare Blade]]: it does 50% damage with [[OHKO]] potential, plus a [[semi-spike]] trajectory. The attack additionally [[meteor smash]]es opponents when connecting with the tip, bolstering its [[edgeguarding]] capacities.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Eruption's super armor is only retained if it is fully charged; otherwise, it has heavy armor.}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Quick Draw]] has been significantly revamped: the attack is now optional by pressing the attack button while using Quickdraw allowing Ike to recover with it without the fear of hitting an opponent trying to stop it. It charges much faster, Ike can control himself in the air while using it, he can cancel Quick Draw with a jump if on the ground and can wall jump, it also has a super charged mode where it becomes a flaming dash that covers most of the stage and if hit with perfect timing it does 50% and will always [[OHKO]]. In addition, if Ike hits the opponent with the incorrect timing, it does 20% and has higher knockback than the fully charged version.}} | |||
*{{change|If Ike hits the opponent with the perfectly timed super charged Quick Draw, he will perform his down taunt and say "You're through" instead of the regular "Hmph."}} | |||
*{{change|Ike will only vocalise when using non fully chrged Quick Draw if he chooses to use the attack.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Quick Draw can no longer be held indefinitely, and the fully charged attack deals less damage and knockback. It also no longer stops at edges, which when combined with the quicker charge and super charge, makes it very easy to accidentally self-destruct.}} | |||
*{{buff|The gaps in the hitbox of [[Aether]] have been filled, and the initial hitbox is given extremely high set knockback similar to {{PM|Roy}}'s [[Blazer]], allowing Aether to flow and [[combo]] better than before and can potentially OHKO lighter characters if only the initial hit connects. The move's ledge grab limit has been removed. In addition, the amount of horizontal distance Ike can travel with Aether has been increased, improving his [[recovery]].}} | |||
*{{nerf|Aether no longer has [[armor]].}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Counter]] and its [[intangibility]] have less startup lag (frame 11 → 6) and it has a slightly higher damage multiplier (1.2x → 1.3x) and sends opponents at a slightly lower angle (40° → 35°).}} | |||
*{{nerf|[[Counter]] has a shorter duration (frames 11-33 → 6-23).}} | |||
*{{change|Eruption's and [[Great Aether]]'s flame color was changed from red to blue.}} | |||
==Changes from PM to P+== | |||
==Revisions== | |||
===v2.1=== | |||
*{{nerf|Ike cannot grab the ledge backwards after a certain point during Aether}} | |||
*{{bugfix|Ike's Quick Draw OHKO now cannot cause a permanent color tint}} | |||
===v2.5=== | |||
*{{buff|Ike's run is slightly slower but the start of his dash is significantly faster, improving quick pivots and his jump cancel slide}} | |||
*{{buff|Ike's dash to run transition is slightly faster}} | |||
*{{buff|Ike's weight is put back to vBrawl weight (a slight decrease in weight)}} | |||
*{{buff|Ike's tip hitboxes on Up Tilt, Down Tilt, Neutral Air, and Up Air send more horizontally like other tips do rather than more vertically}} | *{{buff|Ike's tip hitboxes on Up Tilt, Down Tilt, Neutral Air, and Up Air send more horizontally like other tips do rather than more vertically}} | ||
*{{buff|Ike's Neutral/Forward/Back/Up/Down Air body hitboxes adjusted to be smaller in size like his ground attacks to aid in landing the hilt sweetspot}} | *{{buff|Ike's Neutral/Forward/Back/Up/Down Air body hitboxes adjusted to be smaller in size like his ground attacks to aid in landing the hilt sweetspot}} | ||
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*{{buff|Ike's Forward Air hit duration adjusted, average damage slightly decreased, base knockback decreased, and growth increased significantly emphasizing the sweetspot}} | *{{buff|Ike's Forward Air hit duration adjusted, average damage slightly decreased, base knockback decreased, and growth increased significantly emphasizing the sweetspot}} | ||
*{{buff|Ike's Down Air spike on the hilt sweetspot sends slightly outward like other spikes do to be outside meteor trajectory range}} | *{{buff|Ike's Down Air spike on the hilt sweetspot sends slightly outward like other spikes do to be outside meteor trajectory range}} | ||
*{{buff| | *{{buff|Quick Draw is jump cancelable on the 3rd frame of the dash, and uncharged covers less distance}} | ||
*{{nerf|Ike's Up Air early hitboxes slightly decreased in base knockback}} | *{{nerf|Ike's Up Air early hitboxes slightly decreased in base knockback}} | ||
*{{nerf|Ike's Standing Grab range reduced slightly}} | *{{nerf|Ike's Standing Grab range reduced slightly}} | ||
*{{nerf|Ike's non-fully charged | *{{nerf|Ike's non-fully charged Eruption hitboxes and graphical effects reduced in size a bit, armor duration adjusted, and super armor changed to knockback-based armor; it can be broken through at KOing %.}} | ||
*{{nerf| | *{{nerf|Quick Draw wall jump can only be performed twice per airtime}} | ||
*{{ | *{{buff|Aether sword throw and glow animation cleaned up to match each other better, Ike's movement during the jump smoothed out, and aerial Up B decreased in height a bit}} | ||
*{{nerf|Ike's Forward Smash hitboxes begin slightly later in the animation, and base knockback decreased a bit}} | *{{nerf|Ike's Forward Smash hitboxes begin slightly later in the animation, and base knockback decreased a bit}} | ||
*{{nerf|Ike's Jab 3 base knockback decreased a bit}} | *{{nerf|Ike's Jab 3 base knockback decreased a bit}} | ||
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*{{change|Ike's Forward Tilt has slightly less base knockback and more growth, and IASA is slightly later}} | *{{change|Ike's Forward Tilt has slightly less base knockback and more growth, and IASA is slightly later}} | ||
*{{change|Ike's Down Smash base knockback is slightly lower on 1st hit and higher on the 2nd}} | *{{change|Ike's Down Smash base knockback is slightly lower on 1st hit and higher on the 2nd}} | ||
*{{ | *{{nerf|Ike's Neutral Air late hit is weaker, sends at a more horizontal angle, and has a slightly shorter hit duration}} | ||
*{{change|Ike's Up Air hitbox priority adjusted to normal tip/middle/hilt spacing}} | *{{change|Ike's Up Air hitbox priority adjusted to normal tip/middle/hilt spacing}} | ||
*{{change|Ike's Forward Throw animation touched up a bit to look better, and has less base knockback and more growth}} | *{{change|Ike's Forward Throw animation touched up a bit to look better, and has less base knockback and more growth}} | ||
*{{change|Ike's Back Throw releases slightly faster, slightly decreased in base knockback, and trajectory is a bit higher}} | *{{change|Ike's Back Throw releases slightly faster, slightly decreased in base knockback, and trajectory is a bit higher}} | ||
*{{change|Ike's Up Throw endlag slightly increased, and knockback growth increased}} | *{{change|Ike's Up Throw endlag slightly increased, and knockback growth increased}} | ||
*{{ | *{{buff|Ike's Down Throw base knockback slightly decreased, and growth greatly increased}} | ||
*{{ | *{{nerf|Ike's Up B hitboxes reworked with new knockback stacking mechanics, and armor duration reduced to be during the time he is crouching before jumping}} | ||
*{{change| | *{{change|Eruption graphical effects are now blue}} | ||
=== | ===v2.6=== | ||
*{{buff|New faster neutral air}} | *{{buff|New faster neutral air}} | ||
*{{buff|D-tilt sped up}} | *{{buff|D-tilt sped up}} | ||
*{{buff| | *{{buff|Aether covers more horizontal distance}} | ||
=== | ===v2.6b=== | ||
*{{buff| | *{{buff|The third hit of jab comes out slightly faster.}} | ||
*{{buff|Down | *{{buff|Down tilt comes out slightly faster, can be interrupted sooner, and its knockback, damage, hitbox placement, and angle adjusted to be a more useful move.}} | ||
*{{buff| | *{{buff|Both hits of down smash have stronger knockback.}} | ||
*{{buff|Neutral air is significantly faster and has more base knockback.}} | |||
*{{buff|Neutral | *{{buff|Forward air base knockback slightly increased.}} | ||
*{{buff|Forward | *{{buff|Standing grab box and animation adjusted to be slightly more outward.}} | ||
*{{buff|Standing | *{{nerf|Up Throw's knockback growth reverted to 2.1.}} | ||
*{{nerf|Eruption supercharged hitboxes and armor end sooner.}} | |||
*{{buff|Aether air mobility starts sooner, allowing more overall horizontal distance. It's height has also been slightly adjusted between what 2.5 and 2.1 were.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Up Throw's knockback growth reverted to 2.1}} | *{{nerf|Aerial Quick Draw speed charge gain is slightly less per frame.}} | ||
*{{nerf| | |||
*{{nerf|Aerial | |||
=== | ===v3.0=== | ||
*{{nerf|Down | *{{nerf|Down tilt interrupts slightly later.}} | ||
*{{nerf|Counter can no longer be jump-canceled if Ike counters an attack.}} | *{{nerf|Counter can no longer be jump-canceled if Ike counters an attack.}} | ||
===v3.5=== | |||
*{{buff|Ledge grab limit for Aether removed.}} | |||
*{{buff|Hitbox added to down taunt and it spikes if used on recovering opponent or on the edge. Initial hitbox deals 9% damage while lingering does 7%.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Quick Draw can only wall jump 1 time, from 2.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Hitbox size for Quick Draw has been decreased.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Quick Draw interruptibility increased from 27 to 32.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Hitbox size for several of Ike's sword attacks have been decreased.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Can no longer auto attack by holding attack button during Quick Draw.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Aerial Quick Draw attack now causes helplessness on hit.}} | |||
===v3.6=== | |||
*{{nerf|Quick Draw max charge frame count doubled.}} | |||
*{{buff|Quick Draw interruptibility increased from 32 to 35.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Aether no longer has light armor.}} | |||
*{{change|Quick Draw's base knockback increased, but less knockback growth.}} | |||
*{{buff|Eruption now sends at a 359 angle when fully-charged, so opponents don't slide across the stage.}} | |||
==Moveset== | ==Moveset== | ||
Up to date as of version 3.6. | |||
Up to date as of version 3. | |||
{|class="wikitable" | {|class="wikitable" | ||
! !!Name!!Damage!!Description | ! colspan=2 | !!Name!!Damage!!Description | ||
|- | |||
! colspan=2 rowspan=3 | Neutral attack | |||
| rowspan=3 | || 4% || rowspan=3 | Ike throws out his left fist, kicks his right foot forward, then swings Ragnell down. | |||
|- | |||
|3% | |||
|- | |||
|7% (blade mid), 5% (blade hilt), 5% (blade tip) | |||
|- | |- | ||
! | ! colspan=2 | Forward tilt | ||
| | | || 15% (blade mid), 13% (blade hilt), 11% (blade tip) || Leans forward and swings Ragnell horizontally forward. Has decent range, but with slight ending lag. This move can be angled up or down. | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | ! colspan=2 | Up tilt | ||
| | | || Clean: 14% (blade mid), 12% (blade hilt), 10% (blade tip)<br/>Late: 11% (blade mid), 10% (blade hilt), 8% (blade tip) || Ike holds Ragnell out parallel to the ground and raises it to above his head in a bunny hop motion. A decent move to use as a [[punish]] to [[juggle]]s at low percents and as a KO move at higher percentages. Ike's right arm is [[intangible]] while the hitboxes are active. | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | ! colspan=2 | Down tilt | ||
| | | || 14% (blade mid), 12% (blade hilt), 10% (blade tip) || Ike crouches and swings Ragnell horizontally across the ground. Can be [[interruptibility|interrupted]] fairly early and does good [[knockback]] at low-mid percentages. Connecting at the middle of Ike's sword [[meteor smash]]es opponents. | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | ! colspan=2 | Dash attack | ||
| | | || Clean: 14% (blade mid), 12% (blade hilt), 10% (blade tip)<br/>Late: 10% (blade mid), 9% (blade hilt), 7% (blade tip) || Ike takes a step forward and swings Ragnell upward. | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | ! colspan=2 | Forward smash | ||
| | | || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|25}} (blade mid), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|22}} (blade hilt), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|18}} (blade tip) || Ike slowly heaves Ragnell over his head before striking with a heavy downwards slash. | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | ! colspan=2 | Up smash | ||
| | | || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|22}} (blade mid), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|19}} (blade hilt), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|16}} (blade tip) || Ike holds Ragnell on his left hand before swinging it 180° over himself. Sends the opponent upward. | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | ! colspan=2 rowspan=2 | Down smash | ||
| | | rowspan=2 | || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|16}} (blade mid), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}} (blade hilt), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|11}} (blade tip) || rowspan=2 | Ike swings Ragnell forward on the ground, launching opponents behind him. If the attack button is pressed again, he will follow up with a back hit. Both hits can connect into each other at low percents. | ||
|- | |- | ||
|{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|15}} (blade mid), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|13}} (blade hilt), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|11}} (blade tip) | |||
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|- | |- | ||
!Neutral aerial | ! colspan=2 | Neutral aerial | ||
| | | || Clean: 14% (blade mid), 12% (blade hilt), 10% (blade tip)<br/>Late: 11% (blade mid), 10% (blade hilt), 8% (blade tip) || Ike swings Ragnell in an arc below his body. The attack is shorter ranged than most of his aerials, but covers almost 360°. Sends opponents at an angle depending on Ragnell's position. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Forward aerial | ! colspan=2 | Forward aerial | ||
| | | || 16% (blade close), 13% (blade mid & body), 10% (blade tip) || A powerful, overhead swing downwards. Relatively fast and has high KO power, but has some startup, like most of Ike's aerials, | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Back aerial | ! colspan=2 | Back aerial | ||
| | | || 17% (blade mid), 15% (blade hilt), 12% (blade tip) || Ike quickly swings Ragnell behind him with great reach. Works like most other back aerials, and is Ike's fastest aerial. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Up aerial | ! colspan=2 | Up aerial | ||
| | | || Clean: 15% (blade mid), 13% (blade hilt), 11% (blade tip)<br/>Late: 17% (blade mid), 15% (blade hilt), 12% (blade tip) || Ike slowly twirls Ragnell in a helicopter motion above his head. Useful for netting some vertical KOs. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Down aerial | ! colspan=2 | Down aerial | ||
| | | || Clean: 17% (blade mid), 14% (blade hilt), 12% (blade tip)<br/>Late: 10% (blade mid), 9% (blade hilt), 7% (blade tip) || Ike performs a downward slash between his legs. Connecting with the center of the blade [[spike]]s opponents while connecting elsewhere (hilt and tip) is a meteor smash, provided all hits are clean. | ||
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|- | |- | ||
!Grab | ! colspan=2 | Grab | ||
| ||—|| | | || — || | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Pummel | ! colspan=2 | Pummel | ||
| | | || 3% || Ike headbutts the opponent. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Forward throw | ! colspan=2 | Forward throw | ||
| | | || 2% (hit 1), 4% (throw) || Ike punts the enemy forward by kicking them. A good throw for starting [[combo]]s. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Back throw | ! colspan=2 | Back throw | ||
| | | || 2% (hit 1), 4% (throw) || Ike throws the enemy behind him before quickly kicking them away. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Up throw | ! colspan=2 | Up throw | ||
| | | || 2% (hit 1), 4% (throw) || Ike plants Ragnell into the ground and uppercuts the enemy into the air. This throw can chain grab some fastfallers at low percents, but as it has very high knockback scaling, being virtually useless at mid-percents. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Down throw | ! colspan=2 | Down throw | ||
| | | || 2% (hit 1), 4% (throw) || Ike throws the opponent on the ground and stomps on them. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Floor attack (front) | ! colspan=2 | Floor attack (front) | ||
| || 6%|| | | || 6% || Gets up and slash both sides of himself. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Floor attack (back) | ! colspan=2 | Floor attack (back) | ||
| || 6%|| | | || 6% || Gets up while doing a rising spin slash. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Floor attack (trip) | ! colspan=2 | Floor attack (trip) | ||
| || 5%|| | | || 5% || Does circular swing while getting up. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Edge attack (fast) | ! colspan=2 | Edge attack (fast) | ||
| || 8%|| Ike leaps up and | | || 8% || Ike quickly leaps up and does an upward swing with Ragnell. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Edge attack (slow) | ! colspan=2 | Edge attack (slow) | ||
| || 10%|| Ike slowly | | || 10% || Ike slowly gets up and does a horizontal slash with Ragnell. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Neutral special | ! colspan=2 | Neutral special | ||
| Eruption || 10 | | [[Eruption]] || 10-38%, 50% (fully charged) || Ike holds Ragnell above his head before slamming it into the ground, creating a blue explosion. The damage of the explosion increases the longer the special button is held. At full charge, Ike produces a massive explosion that deals high damage and knockback, a [[one-hit KO]] on any character, but receives 10% [[recoil damage]]. If uncharged, there is an extremely small hitbox at the tip of the sword that can meteor smash opponents. Aesthetically, the move involves blue fire, which technically uses the [[aura]] effect as opposed to the [[flame]] effect. While this is mostly a purely cosmetic change to match Ike's origins more (as only {{PM|Lucario}} gains any effect from aura attacks), it does mean it no longer interacts with Flame [[sticker]]s, [[frozen]] characters, [[Blast Box]]es, or [[Red Pikmin]]. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Side special | ! colspan=2 | Side special | ||
| Quick Draw ||Normal: | | [[Quick Draw]] || Normal: 7-12% (fully charged)<br/>Overcharged: 4% (flames), 23% (sword), 50% (OHKO) || Ike readies himself into a stance and lunges forward when the special button gets released while charging. When the attack button is pressed while Ike is dashing, he will perform a horizontal slash. Charging this move increases the power and the distance Ike travels forward. The maximum charge can be heard with a ring, but it can also be overcharged. Overcharging will make Ike lunge forward, creating a trail of fire that damages anyone who come in Ike's path. If the attack button is pressed the moment Ike come in contact with an enemy, he will perform a powerful sword strike that gives the enemy massive freeze frames until Ike plants his sword on the ground and says "You're through!", which then launches the enemy upwards, being a one-hit KO. Ike can simply jump out of the dash by pressing the jump button, but only works if he is on the ground or if he goes off a ledge—in which then he will perform a midair jump. Using the move while airborne will cause Ike to become [[helpless]]. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Up special | ! colspan=2 | Up special | ||
| Aether || | | [[Aether]] || 6% (hit 1), 2% (hits 2-6), 3% (hit 7), 6% (hit 8) || Ike throws Ragnell upward, launching nearby fighters in the air. Ragnell spins in place, dealing several hits. Then, Ike jumps up and grabs Ragnell, followed by a downward slam. Any opponents caught at the start will be knocked up and any opponents caught during the downward slam will be meteor smashed. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Down special | ! colspan=2 | Down special | ||
| Counter || 1. | | [[Counter]] || 1.3x damage of countered move (min 10%) || Ike holds up Ragnell in a reverse gripped parry position. If Ike is hit shortly after the move begins, he strikes back with his own swing. | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Final Smash | ! colspan=2 | Final Smash | ||
| Great Aether || | | [[Great Aether]] || 5% (hit 1), 3% (hits 2-8), 2% (hits 9-10), 3% (hits 11-14), 5% (hits 15-16), 12% (hit 17) || Ike performs a fiery upward slash with Ragnell. If he catches anyone, Ike throws Ragnell into the air along with the opponent, jumps after them, catches Ragnell, and unleashes a devastating combo of slashes and kicks before driving them down to the ground. The impact creates a massive explosion which launches the victims and any bystanders towards the upper blast line. | ||
|} | |} | ||
==In [[competitive play]]== | ==In [[competitive play]]== | ||
=== | ===Most historically significant players=== | ||
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*{{ | ''See also: [[:Category:Ike players (PM)]]'' | ||
*{{ | *{{Sm|Blitz|Canada}} - Ranked 1st on the Ontario ''Project M'' Power Rankings. Placed 7th at [[Frozen Phoenix 2017]]. Notable inactive on [[PMRank 2023]]. | ||
*{{ | *{{Sm|Envy|USA|p=New York}} - The second best Ike player in the world; placed 2nd at [[We Tech Those 2]]; ranked 11th on [[PMRank 2018]]. | ||
*{{ | *{{Sm|JuSt|USA}} - Formerly ranked 1st on the Colorado ''Project M'' Power Rankings. Placed 4th at [[Nemesis]]. | ||
*{{Sm|Lordy|USA}}-Placed 9th at [[Smash 'N' Splash 2]]. Ranked 5th on the Michigan ''Project M'' Power Rankings. | |||
*{{Sm|Metroid|USA}} - Placed 1st at [[The Big House 2]], double eliminating {{Sm|Mango}}, and placed 9th at [[Smash 'N' Splash 3]] over 4 years later. Currently one of the best players in Illinois and ranked #22 on [[PMRank 2023]]. | |||
*{{Sm|Pikmon|USA}} - The best Ike in the world. Ranked #17 on [[PMRank 2023]]. | |||
*{{Sm|Sylarius|Canada}} - Placed 5th at [[Frozen Phoenix 2017]]. Ranked 0th on the Alberta ''Project M'' Power Rankings. | |||
==Alternate costumes== | |||
===Project M=== | |||
Ike received [http://imgur.com/a/NHtFe#0 a set of alternate costumes] in 3.5. They are based on the armor worn by {{s|fireemblem|Hector}} from ''[[fireemblemwiki:Fire Emblem (game)|Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade]]''. | |||
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|colspan=6|[[File:Ike Palette (PM).png|frame|center|Ike's alternate costumes in PM]] | |||
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|[[File:IkeHeadSSBB.png]] | |||
|[[File:IkeHeadYellowSSBB.png]] | |||
|[[File:IkeHeadRedSSBB.png]] | |||
|[[File:IkeHeadBlueSSBB.png]] | |||
|[[File:IkeHeadGreenSSBB.png]] | |||
|[[File:IkeHeadBrownSSBB.png]] | |||
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|[[File:IkeHeadHectorPM.png]] | |||
|[[File:IkeHeadHectorRedPM.png]] | |||
|[[File:IkeHeadHectorGreenPM.png]] | |||
|[[File:IkeHeadHectorBlackPM.png]] | |||
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The recolors of the Hector costume reference other characters in the ''Fire Emblem'' games who, like Hector, are [[fireemblemwiki:General|heavily armored]]. Each of these characters is related to either Ike or Hector. | |||
*'''Red (Hector):''' Based on {{s|fireemblem|Zelgius}}, Ike's rival in his games. | |||
*'''Green (Hector):''' Loosely based on {{s|fireemblem|Uther}}, Hector's elder brother. | |||
*'''Black (Hector):''' Based on the [[Black Knight]], the sinister alter ego of Zelgius. | |||
In all of its color schemes, the Hector costume also changes Ike's sword {{s|fireemblem|Ragnell}} into its counterpart, {{s|fireemblem|Alondite}}. In both ''Path of Radiance'' and ''Radiant Dawn'', Alondite is the weapon of choice of Zelgius/the Black Knight. | |||
== | ===Project+=== | ||
In ''[[Project+]]'', Ike received another new set of alternate costumes based on his father, [[fireemblemwiki:Greil|Greil]]. It has recolors inspired by characters in the Tellius series such as [[fireemblemwiki:Titania|Titania]], [[fireemblemwiki:Shinon|Shinon]], and [[fireemblemwiki:Zihark|Zihark]]. | |||
[[ | |||
[[File:Ike Palette (P+).png|800px|thumb|center|Ike's alternate costumes in P+]] | |||
'''Secret costumes:''' | |||
[[File:Ike R_P+.png|160px]] | |||
*'''Z-Secret Costume:''' A Lord Ike recolor that uses the colors of Ike's promotion in ''Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance.'' | |||
*'''R-Secret Costume:''' Ike Climber (from PMDT's 2014 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCXABhlj3nI April Fools video]). | |||
==Gallery== | |||
<gallery> | |||
HectorArmor.jpg|Several of Ike's recolors, based on Hector. | |||
</gallery> | |||
==Trivia== | ==Trivia== | ||
*Ike | *Alongside {{PM|Wolf}} and {{PM|Captain Falcon}}, Ike is one of the three characters whose down aerial is able to both [[meteor smash]] and [[spike]]. The spike hitbox has since been removed in V3.0.1 of ''P+''. | ||
*Ike's render in ''P+'' emulates his render as depicted in [https://cdn.fireemblemwiki.org/d/d5/FEPR_Ike.png official artwork] for ''Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance''. | |||
==External links== | ==External links== | ||
*[ | *[https://pmunofficial.com/en/characters/ike/ Ike's page at the Project M website] | ||
*[https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBPM/comments/m7sejb/labbing_discord_results_ike/ Labbing Discord Tech Post] | |||
{{Project M}} | {{Project M}} | ||
[[Category:Ike]] | |||
[[Category:Characters (PM)]] | [[Category:Characters (PM)]] | ||
Latest revision as of 19:55, July 24, 2024
Ike in Project M and Project+ | |
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Universe | Fire Emblem |
Base game appearance | Brawl |
Moveset inspiration | Ike (SSBB) |
Alternate costume | Hector's armor, Greil Ike (Project+) |
Ike is a playable character in the Brawl mod Project M. Since Ike's first appearance in the series is as a fighter in Brawl, his general speed has been significantly increased to fit the mechanics of Project M. In particular, Ike has improved combo-starting abilities, such as a more versatile Quick Draw, a less laggy back aerial, and a quicker up aerial.
Ike ranks 25th out of 41 on the official tier list, at the top of the C tier, a marginal drop from his position as 23rd out of 38 on the Brawl tier list. On the Project+ official tier list, he is ranked 14th in the A tier, a significant improvement over his placement in either Brawl or Project M.
Attributes[edit]
As a swordsman, Ike has many long distance attacks with disjointed hitboxes. As a result of this advantageous attribute, he can carefully space between his opponents, while simultaneously dealing high knockback and damage. Ike is a heavyweight (being the heaviest swordsman, not including Ganondorf, who only uses his sword for his down taunt that he can attack with) with, as a result of his buffed mobility, a decent dash speed, an average air speed, and an average falling speed. Ike's attacks are among the most powerful in the game, especially his ground attacks, with many dealing immense knockback that can reliably KO around mid percentages, especially when sweetspotted, located at the middle of the sword's blade. His Eruption is an effective edgeguarder functioning similarly to Roy's Flare Blade, as it inflicts high vertical knockback when charged at any stage, OHKOing when fully charged and repelling the opponent at a semi-spike angle at a fast speed.
Ike's recovery has been buffed from Brawl, as his Aether goes a bit further horizontally. Quick Draw has been improved as well. The move charges faster, can be cancelled, and even OHKOs if fully charged. The changes to these two moves give Ike several recovery options he did not have previously.
Ike's greatest strength, however, is his jab attack. Arguably the best move in his arsenal, it possesses great reach, is fast, deals high damage, and can be jab canceled for quick setups. While the jab's power was nerfed from Brawl, it remains one of the most powerful jabs and is especially vital in Ike's metagame.
Ike's aerial game is above average. As with his ground attacks, his aerial arsenal consists of powerful attacks that possess great KO potential, even when not sweetspotted. Ike is capable of juggling characters, especially floaty characters (ie Jigglypuff, Zelda, and Samus), with his up air. His back and forward aerials are effective horizontal finishers against light characters. Ike's down aerial, when sweetspotted, is a powerful spike that is capable of effectively KOing opponents around mid-high percentages, even when grounded. Even when not sweetspotted, the move is still a meteor smash, provided that Ike lands the clean hitbox, making it a strong finisher with decent utility regardless.
Ike's primary flaw lies in his very laggy attacks, especially his ground attacks. While these attacks are powerful, their slow speeds and long start and end lag render Ike vulnerable to many combo setups and punishes. His tall height is also considered a drawback, as it makes his hurtbox quite large and thus making him easy to hit and combo, which is compounded by his heavy weight. Additionally, while Ike has above average options for horizontal and vertical recovery, he lacks any diagonal means of getting back onto stages. Besides that, his existing recovery moves are arguably predictable and can easily be gimped.
Changes from Brawl to PM[edit]
Ike has been significantly buffed from the transition from Brawl to Project M. His ground speed has been increased and many of his attacks have decreased startup and ending lag greatly increasing his overall speed and making his attacks far less punishable. All of his aerials have greatly decreased ending lag and they can now all auto-cancel in a short hop which when combined with the introduction of L-canceling greatly improves their safety. The hilt of his sword is now stronger on all of his attacks giving his attacks more strength when used at close range.
Ike has also seen some nerfs. The most significant nerf he received was to his spacing ability. The tip of his sword is now weaker than the rest of his sword making many of his attacks weaker when spaced. This forces him to approach in order for him to effectively use his attacks which leaves him more vulnerable. Asides from this, his general KO potential has been decreased especially outside of the hilt of his sword and his jab is noticeably weaker and has less jab canceling potential (although it is still one of his best tools). Lastly, his aerials no longer have transcendent priority making it easier for his opponents to challenge his aerials.
Overall, Ike's weaknesses are far less detrimental than they used to be and he is overall a more effective character as a result.
Attributes[edit]
- Ike's sword attacks now have a new system to them, where they now have sweetspot, sourspot, and mediumspot hitboxes located at the middle, tip, and hilt of his sword, respectively.
- Ike walks faster (0.88 → 1.2).
- Ike dashes faster (1.371 → 1.55).
- Ike's air speed is marginally higher (0.9212 → 0.925).
- As with all Brawl newcomers, Ike's falling speed (1.65 → 2.05) and gravity (0.0837 → 0.103) are higher. Relative to the cast however, Ike falls slower.
- Ike's traction is much higher (0.044 → 0.08). This makes it easier for him to punish out of shield but makes his new wavedash much shorter.
- Jumpsquat is slightly faster (frame 6 → 5).
- Ike jumps higher (2.26 → 2.65 (full hop)).
- The general amount of landing lag Ike experiences has been reduced due to the reintroduction of L-canceling.
- Both shield stun and shield damage capabilities have been greatly improved.
- Ike's super glide toss covers much less distance.
Ground Attacks[edit]
- The third hit of neutral attack has less startup lag (frame 10 → 8) and the second and third hits have less ending lag (frame 20 → 18 (hit 2), frame 38 → 36 (hit 3)).
- The first two hits of neutral attack deal consistent set knockback (50/40/30 → 30 (hit 1), 20 (hit 2)).
- The second hit of neutral attack deals less damage (5% → 3%) and the third hit no longer deals consistent damage (7% → 7%/6%/5%) and has less base knockback (60 → 45) hindering its KO potential. The first hit can also no longer be held out by holding the attack button and both the first and second hits have reduced jab cancel combo potential.
- Dash attack has less startup lag with a longer duration (frames 18-19 → 16-19 (clean), 20-22 (late)), has less ending lag (frame 51 → 45), deals more damage (8%/7% → 14%/12%/10% (clean), 10%/9%/7% (late)) and sends opponents at a more advantageous angle (40°/80° → 361°). The sweetspot also deals more knockback (70 (base), 70 (scaling) → 50/75).
- Dash attack has slightly less reach and the new late hit deals less knockback (70 (base), 70 (scaling) → 20/75).
- Forward tilt has significantly less startup (frame 17 → 11) and ending lag (frame 56 → 36).
- Forward tilt has less knockback (38 (base)/100 (growth) → 35/95) and the sourspots deal slightly less damage (14%/12% → 13%/11%).
- Up tilt has decreased startup (frame 13 → 9) and ending lag (frame 50 → 35), and now has a sweetspot which deals more damage (12% → 14%) making it a better KO move. The clean hit also has a longer duration (frames 13-15 → 9-14).
- The late hit no longer deals consistent damage (10% → 11%/10%/9%).
- Up tilt has a shorter duration (frames 13-29 → 9-21) and the clean hit sends opponents at a less vertical angle (95°/92°/88°/85° → 85°/75°). Both hits have reduced knockback (70 (base), 90 (scaling) → 40/110 (clean), 25/110 (late)).
- Down tilt has much less ending lag (frame 55 → 31), allowing it to combo into itself at lower percents.
- Down tilt no longer deals consistent damage (14% → 14%/12%/10%) and it deals less knockback (55 (base), 100 (scaling) → 35/95 (tip), 20/95). The sourspots send opponents at a higher angle (40° → 60°/70°) and the meteor hitbox is now placed on the hilt of his sword rather than the tip making it more difficult to edgeguard with. It also only has one meteor hitbox instead of two.
- Forward smash has less startup lag with a longer duration (frames 31-34 → 30-35) and it has less ending lag (frame 80 → 67). The tip deals more damage (17% → 18%) and sends opponents at a less vertical angle (60° → 45°). There is also a new sweetspot on the hilt which deals more damage (22% → 25%).
- Except for the tip, forward smash has reduced base knockback (50 → 45) and sends opponents at a slightly higher angle (40° → 45°) hindering its KO potential at the middle of the sword.
- Up smash no longer has a weaker late hit and as with forward smash, the hilt deals more damage (19% → 22%). All hits have increased knockback growth (85 → 90) and the tip sends opponents at a higher angle (65° → 80°). Ike's DACUS also covers more distance.
- Up smash has slightly more ending lag (frame 67 → 68) and the hilt hitboxes send opponents at a lower angle (82°/75° → 70°). As with forward smash, the tip is now weaker than the rest of the move dealing less damage (19%/17% → 16%). His running up smash also covers less distance forcing him to use his DACUS to approach with up smash.
- Down smash has less startup lag (frame 13 → 12 (hit 1), frame 16 → 12 (hit 2)). The first hit of down smash's hitboxes send opponents backwards (65°/70°/75°/82° → 140°/150°) allowing it to connect with the second hit and both hits have been strengthened, with the first hit dealing more damage (13% → 16%/14%/11%) while the second hit launches opponents horizontally (65°/70°/75°/82° → 40°/30° and deals more knockback (30 (base), 100 (scaling) → 35/115). The second hit is now optional similar to Link's and Pit's forward smashes, as well as Bowser's down tilt allowing him to only use the first hit and suffer from much less ending lag (frame 70 → 40). Much like his other smashes, the hilt is now stronger than the rest of his sword.
- Down smash's second hit deals less damage (16% → 15%/13%/11%) and it's late hit has been removed reducing its duration (frames 16-28 → 11-15). The tip is also weaker on both hits than his old down smash.
Aerial Attacks[edit]
- All of Ike's aerials have lost their transcendent priority.
- However, the removal of transcendent priority on his aerials allows them to cancel out projectiles.
- Neutral, Forward, and Up aerials have more landing lag (12 frames → 18 (neutral), 21 frames → 26 (forward), 18 frames → 24 (up)), though this is compensated with the introduction of L-Canceling.
- Back and Down aerials have less landing lag (21 frames → 19 (back), 28 frames → 24 (down)).
- All aerials auto-cancel earlier (frame 67 → 35 (neutral), frame 45 → 37 (forward), frame 35 → 29 (back), frame 53 → 34 (up), frame 48 → 37 (down)) enabling all of them to auto-cancel out of a short hop (as opposed to just his back aerial).
- Neutral aerial has less startup (frame 15 → 7) and ending lag (frame 76 → 40) and deals much more damage (9% → 14%/12%/10%) improving its KO potential.
- Neutral aerial has a shorter duration (frames 15-32 → 7-18) and has reduced knockback (35 (base), 105 (scaling) → 40/95) hindering the sourspot's KO potential. It also sends opponents at a less vertical angle (70° → 65°/55°) hindering its combo potential.
- Forward aerial has less start-up (frame 18 → 17) and ending lag (frame 60 → 47) and a sweetspot that does more damage (13% → 16%). All hits have more knockback growth (100 → 105).
- Forward and back aerial's angles have been altered (40° → 361°/35°).
- The tip of forward aerial deals less damage (13% → 10%).
- Back aerial has less ending lag (frame 50 → 36) and it deals more damage (14% → 17%/15%) improving its KO potential.
- Back aerial has less vertical range and its tip deals less damage (14% → 12%).
- Up aerial has less startup (frame 15 → 9) and ending lag (frame 58 → 41) and its hilt deals more damage (14% → 15%). It also now has a stronger late hit which deals more damage (14% → 17%/15%) and base knockback (40 → 45).
- Up aerial has a shorter duration (frames 15-31 → 9-24), sends opponents at a lower angle (80° → 70°/60° (early), 75°/65° (late)) and deals less damage (14% → 13%/11% (early), 12% (tip late)).
- Down aerial has less ending lag (frame 55 → 44) and the hilt of the clean hit deals slightly more damage (16% → 17%) and can now spike opponents (270° → 285°).
- Down aerial has decreased base knockback (40 → 25 (clean), 10 (late)) and the clean hit's non hilt hitboxes deal less damage (16% → 14%/12%) and all late hitboxes deal less damage (12% → 10%/9%/7%).
Throws/other attacks[edit]
- Dash grab has less startup lag (frame 12 → 11).
- Standing grab has more ending lag (frame 30 → 31) and pivot grab has more startup lag (frame 9 → 10).
- Forward throw deals more knockback (50 (base), 50 (scaling) → 55/105) and sends opponents at a higher angle (28° → 55°). When combined with the changes to DI, this hinders its chain grabbing and edgeguarding potential while still being too weak to realistically KO.
- Back throw deals more knockback (50 (base), 50 (scaling) → 60/100) improving its spacing potential though it still cannot KO reliably.
- Back throw sends opponents at a higher angle (28° → 48°) hindering its edgeguarding potential.
- The universally increased falling speeds and the removal of hitstun canceling has granted up and down throw's chain grabbing and combo potential.
- Up throw sends opponents at a slightly less vertical angle (90° → 88°) and has increased knockback growth (72 → 135) hindering its combo potential while still being too weak to KO most characters until extremely high percents.
- Down throw has reduced knockback (75 (base), 120 (scaling) → 70/60) improving its combo potential.
- Down throw's angle has been altered (80° → 60°). This grants it tech chase potential against fast fallers but hinders its combo and chain grabbing potential.
- Down taunt now has a hitbox that deals 9%/7% damage and sends airborne or ledge hanging opponents downwards similar to Luigi's down taunt, only it is a meteor smash with normal knockback instead of a spike with set knockback.
Special Attacks[edit]
- A fully charged Eruption now acts much like Roy's Flare Blade: it does 50% damage with OHKO potential, plus a semi-spike trajectory. The attack additionally meteor smashes opponents when connecting with the tip, bolstering its edgeguarding capacities.
- Eruption's super armor is only retained if it is fully charged; otherwise, it has heavy armor.
- Quick Draw has been significantly revamped: the attack is now optional by pressing the attack button while using Quickdraw allowing Ike to recover with it without the fear of hitting an opponent trying to stop it. It charges much faster, Ike can control himself in the air while using it, he can cancel Quick Draw with a jump if on the ground and can wall jump, it also has a super charged mode where it becomes a flaming dash that covers most of the stage and if hit with perfect timing it does 50% and will always OHKO. In addition, if Ike hits the opponent with the incorrect timing, it does 20% and has higher knockback than the fully charged version.
- If Ike hits the opponent with the perfectly timed super charged Quick Draw, he will perform his down taunt and say "You're through" instead of the regular "Hmph."
- Ike will only vocalise when using non fully chrged Quick Draw if he chooses to use the attack.
- Quick Draw can no longer be held indefinitely, and the fully charged attack deals less damage and knockback. It also no longer stops at edges, which when combined with the quicker charge and super charge, makes it very easy to accidentally self-destruct.
- The gaps in the hitbox of Aether have been filled, and the initial hitbox is given extremely high set knockback similar to Roy's Blazer, allowing Aether to flow and combo better than before and can potentially OHKO lighter characters if only the initial hit connects. The move's ledge grab limit has been removed. In addition, the amount of horizontal distance Ike can travel with Aether has been increased, improving his recovery.
- Aether no longer has armor.
- Counter and its intangibility have less startup lag (frame 11 → 6) and it has a slightly higher damage multiplier (1.2x → 1.3x) and sends opponents at a slightly lower angle (40° → 35°).
- Counter has a shorter duration (frames 11-33 → 6-23).
- Eruption's and Great Aether's flame color was changed from red to blue.
Changes from PM to P+[edit]
Revisions[edit]
v2.1[edit]
- Ike cannot grab the ledge backwards after a certain point during Aether
- Ike's Quick Draw OHKO now cannot cause a permanent color tint
v2.5[edit]
- Ike's run is slightly slower but the start of his dash is significantly faster, improving quick pivots and his jump cancel slide
- Ike's dash to run transition is slightly faster
- Ike's weight is put back to vBrawl weight (a slight decrease in weight)
- Ike's tip hitboxes on Up Tilt, Down Tilt, Neutral Air, and Up Air send more horizontally like other tips do rather than more vertically
- Ike's Neutral/Forward/Back/Up/Down Air body hitboxes adjusted to be smaller in size like his ground attacks to aid in landing the hilt sweetspot
- Ike's Dash Attack hitbox priority adjusted; tip no longer hits so often over the others
- Ike's Dash Attack animation adjusted to have the forward movement at more appropriate parts, and also does not raise the sword quite as high. Now capable of Boost Up Smashing and Boost Turn Grabbing
- Ike's Dash Attack weak hit duration decreased slightly
- Ike's Up Tilt has slightly less base knockback and more growth, strong hit reaches higher, and weak hit duration reduced
- Ike's Down Tilt hits slightly faster, and the hilt sweetspot meteors while the rest of the attack sends upward
- Ike's Forward Air hit duration adjusted, average damage slightly decreased, base knockback decreased, and growth increased significantly emphasizing the sweetspot
- Ike's Down Air spike on the hilt sweetspot sends slightly outward like other spikes do to be outside meteor trajectory range
- Quick Draw is jump cancelable on the 3rd frame of the dash, and uncharged covers less distance
- Ike's Up Air early hitboxes slightly decreased in base knockback
- Ike's Standing Grab range reduced slightly
- Ike's non-fully charged Eruption hitboxes and graphical effects reduced in size a bit, armor duration adjusted, and super armor changed to knockback-based armor; it can be broken through at KOing %.
- Quick Draw wall jump can only be performed twice per airtime
- Aether sword throw and glow animation cleaned up to match each other better, Ike's movement during the jump smoothed out, and aerial Up B decreased in height a bit
- Ike's Forward Smash hitboxes begin slightly later in the animation, and base knockback decreased a bit
- Ike's Jab 3 base knockback decreased a bit
- Ike's non-tip hitboxes are now slightly more damaging and stronger at the hilt, while being slightly less so on the others
- Ike's Jab 3, Up Tilt, Forward/Up/Down Smash, and Down Air weak hit now follow the tip/middle/hilt system for damage
- Ike's Forward Tilt has slightly less base knockback and more growth, and IASA is slightly later
- Ike's Down Smash base knockback is slightly lower on 1st hit and higher on the 2nd
- Ike's Neutral Air late hit is weaker, sends at a more horizontal angle, and has a slightly shorter hit duration
- Ike's Up Air hitbox priority adjusted to normal tip/middle/hilt spacing
- Ike's Forward Throw animation touched up a bit to look better, and has less base knockback and more growth
- Ike's Back Throw releases slightly faster, slightly decreased in base knockback, and trajectory is a bit higher
- Ike's Up Throw endlag slightly increased, and knockback growth increased
- Ike's Down Throw base knockback slightly decreased, and growth greatly increased
- Ike's Up B hitboxes reworked with new knockback stacking mechanics, and armor duration reduced to be during the time he is crouching before jumping
- Eruption graphical effects are now blue
v2.6[edit]
- New faster neutral air
- D-tilt sped up
- Aether covers more horizontal distance
v2.6b[edit]
- The third hit of jab comes out slightly faster.
- Down tilt comes out slightly faster, can be interrupted sooner, and its knockback, damage, hitbox placement, and angle adjusted to be a more useful move.
- Both hits of down smash have stronger knockback.
- Neutral air is significantly faster and has more base knockback.
- Forward air base knockback slightly increased.
- Standing grab box and animation adjusted to be slightly more outward.
- Up Throw's knockback growth reverted to 2.1.
- Eruption supercharged hitboxes and armor end sooner.
- Aether air mobility starts sooner, allowing more overall horizontal distance. It's height has also been slightly adjusted between what 2.5 and 2.1 were.
- Aerial Quick Draw speed charge gain is slightly less per frame.
v3.0[edit]
- Down tilt interrupts slightly later.
- Counter can no longer be jump-canceled if Ike counters an attack.
v3.5[edit]
- Ledge grab limit for Aether removed.
- Hitbox added to down taunt and it spikes if used on recovering opponent or on the edge. Initial hitbox deals 9% damage while lingering does 7%.
- Quick Draw can only wall jump 1 time, from 2.
- Hitbox size for Quick Draw has been decreased.
- Quick Draw interruptibility increased from 27 to 32.
- Hitbox size for several of Ike's sword attacks have been decreased.
- Can no longer auto attack by holding attack button during Quick Draw.
- Aerial Quick Draw attack now causes helplessness on hit.
v3.6[edit]
- Quick Draw max charge frame count doubled.
- Quick Draw interruptibility increased from 32 to 35.
- Aether no longer has light armor.
- Quick Draw's base knockback increased, but less knockback growth.
- Eruption now sends at a 359 angle when fully-charged, so opponents don't slide across the stage.
Moveset[edit]
Up to date as of version 3.6.
Name | Damage | Description | ||
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Neutral attack | 4% | Ike throws out his left fist, kicks his right foot forward, then swings Ragnell down. | ||
3% | ||||
7% (blade mid), 5% (blade hilt), 5% (blade tip) | ||||
Forward tilt | 15% (blade mid), 13% (blade hilt), 11% (blade tip) | Leans forward and swings Ragnell horizontally forward. Has decent range, but with slight ending lag. This move can be angled up or down. | ||
Up tilt | Clean: 14% (blade mid), 12% (blade hilt), 10% (blade tip) Late: 11% (blade mid), 10% (blade hilt), 8% (blade tip) |
Ike holds Ragnell out parallel to the ground and raises it to above his head in a bunny hop motion. A decent move to use as a punish to juggles at low percents and as a KO move at higher percentages. Ike's right arm is intangible while the hitboxes are active. | ||
Down tilt | 14% (blade mid), 12% (blade hilt), 10% (blade tip) | Ike crouches and swings Ragnell horizontally across the ground. Can be interrupted fairly early and does good knockback at low-mid percentages. Connecting at the middle of Ike's sword meteor smashes opponents. | ||
Dash attack | Clean: 14% (blade mid), 12% (blade hilt), 10% (blade tip) Late: 10% (blade mid), 9% (blade hilt), 7% (blade tip) |
Ike takes a step forward and swings Ragnell upward. | ||
Forward smash | 25% (blade mid), 22% (blade hilt), 18% (blade tip) | Ike slowly heaves Ragnell over his head before striking with a heavy downwards slash. | ||
Up smash | 22% (blade mid), 19% (blade hilt), 16% (blade tip) | Ike holds Ragnell on his left hand before swinging it 180° over himself. Sends the opponent upward. | ||
Down smash | 16% (blade mid), 14% (blade hilt), 11% (blade tip) | Ike swings Ragnell forward on the ground, launching opponents behind him. If the attack button is pressed again, he will follow up with a back hit. Both hits can connect into each other at low percents. | ||
15% (blade mid), 13% (blade hilt), 11% (blade tip) | ||||
Neutral aerial | Clean: 14% (blade mid), 12% (blade hilt), 10% (blade tip) Late: 11% (blade mid), 10% (blade hilt), 8% (blade tip) |
Ike swings Ragnell in an arc below his body. The attack is shorter ranged than most of his aerials, but covers almost 360°. Sends opponents at an angle depending on Ragnell's position. | ||
Forward aerial | 16% (blade close), 13% (blade mid & body), 10% (blade tip) | A powerful, overhead swing downwards. Relatively fast and has high KO power, but has some startup, like most of Ike's aerials, | ||
Back aerial | 17% (blade mid), 15% (blade hilt), 12% (blade tip) | Ike quickly swings Ragnell behind him with great reach. Works like most other back aerials, and is Ike's fastest aerial. | ||
Up aerial | Clean: 15% (blade mid), 13% (blade hilt), 11% (blade tip) Late: 17% (blade mid), 15% (blade hilt), 12% (blade tip) |
Ike slowly twirls Ragnell in a helicopter motion above his head. Useful for netting some vertical KOs. | ||
Down aerial | Clean: 17% (blade mid), 14% (blade hilt), 12% (blade tip) Late: 10% (blade mid), 9% (blade hilt), 7% (blade tip) |
Ike performs a downward slash between his legs. Connecting with the center of the blade spikes opponents while connecting elsewhere (hilt and tip) is a meteor smash, provided all hits are clean. | ||
Grab | — | |||
Pummel | 3% | Ike headbutts the opponent. | ||
Forward throw | 2% (hit 1), 4% (throw) | Ike punts the enemy forward by kicking them. A good throw for starting combos. | ||
Back throw | 2% (hit 1), 4% (throw) | Ike throws the enemy behind him before quickly kicking them away. | ||
Up throw | 2% (hit 1), 4% (throw) | Ike plants Ragnell into the ground and uppercuts the enemy into the air. This throw can chain grab some fastfallers at low percents, but as it has very high knockback scaling, being virtually useless at mid-percents. | ||
Down throw | 2% (hit 1), 4% (throw) | Ike throws the opponent on the ground and stomps on them. | ||
Floor attack (front) | 6% | Gets up and slash both sides of himself. | ||
Floor attack (back) | 6% | Gets up while doing a rising spin slash. | ||
Floor attack (trip) | 5% | Does circular swing while getting up. | ||
Edge attack (fast) | 8% | Ike quickly leaps up and does an upward swing with Ragnell. | ||
Edge attack (slow) | 10% | Ike slowly gets up and does a horizontal slash with Ragnell. | ||
Neutral special | Eruption | 10-38%, 50% (fully charged) | Ike holds Ragnell above his head before slamming it into the ground, creating a blue explosion. The damage of the explosion increases the longer the special button is held. At full charge, Ike produces a massive explosion that deals high damage and knockback, a one-hit KO on any character, but receives 10% recoil damage. If uncharged, there is an extremely small hitbox at the tip of the sword that can meteor smash opponents. Aesthetically, the move involves blue fire, which technically uses the aura effect as opposed to the flame effect. While this is mostly a purely cosmetic change to match Ike's origins more (as only Lucario gains any effect from aura attacks), it does mean it no longer interacts with Flame stickers, frozen characters, Blast Boxes, or Red Pikmin. | |
Side special | Quick Draw | Normal: 7-12% (fully charged) Overcharged: 4% (flames), 23% (sword), 50% (OHKO) |
Ike readies himself into a stance and lunges forward when the special button gets released while charging. When the attack button is pressed while Ike is dashing, he will perform a horizontal slash. Charging this move increases the power and the distance Ike travels forward. The maximum charge can be heard with a ring, but it can also be overcharged. Overcharging will make Ike lunge forward, creating a trail of fire that damages anyone who come in Ike's path. If the attack button is pressed the moment Ike come in contact with an enemy, he will perform a powerful sword strike that gives the enemy massive freeze frames until Ike plants his sword on the ground and says "You're through!", which then launches the enemy upwards, being a one-hit KO. Ike can simply jump out of the dash by pressing the jump button, but only works if he is on the ground or if he goes off a ledge—in which then he will perform a midair jump. Using the move while airborne will cause Ike to become helpless. | |
Up special | Aether | 6% (hit 1), 2% (hits 2-6), 3% (hit 7), 6% (hit 8) | Ike throws Ragnell upward, launching nearby fighters in the air. Ragnell spins in place, dealing several hits. Then, Ike jumps up and grabs Ragnell, followed by a downward slam. Any opponents caught at the start will be knocked up and any opponents caught during the downward slam will be meteor smashed. | |
Down special | Counter | 1.3x damage of countered move (min 10%) | Ike holds up Ragnell in a reverse gripped parry position. If Ike is hit shortly after the move begins, he strikes back with his own swing. | |
Final Smash | Great Aether | 5% (hit 1), 3% (hits 2-8), 2% (hits 9-10), 3% (hits 11-14), 5% (hits 15-16), 12% (hit 17) | Ike performs a fiery upward slash with Ragnell. If he catches anyone, Ike throws Ragnell into the air along with the opponent, jumps after them, catches Ragnell, and unleashes a devastating combo of slashes and kicks before driving them down to the ground. The impact creates a massive explosion which launches the victims and any bystanders towards the upper blast line. |
In competitive play[edit]
Most historically significant players[edit]
See also: Category:Ike players (PM)
- Blitz - Ranked 1st on the Ontario Project M Power Rankings. Placed 7th at Frozen Phoenix 2017. Notable inactive on PMRank 2023.
- Envy - The second best Ike player in the world; placed 2nd at We Tech Those 2; ranked 11th on PMRank 2018.
- JuSt - Formerly ranked 1st on the Colorado Project M Power Rankings. Placed 4th at Nemesis.
- Lordy-Placed 9th at Smash 'N' Splash 2. Ranked 5th on the Michigan Project M Power Rankings.
- Metroid - Placed 1st at The Big House 2, double eliminating Mango, and placed 9th at Smash 'N' Splash 3 over 4 years later. Currently one of the best players in Illinois and ranked #22 on PMRank 2023.
- Pikmon - The best Ike in the world. Ranked #17 on PMRank 2023.
- Sylarius - Placed 5th at Frozen Phoenix 2017. Ranked 0th on the Alberta Project M Power Rankings.
Alternate costumes[edit]
Project M[edit]
Ike received a set of alternate costumes in 3.5. They are based on the armor worn by Hector from Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade.
The recolors of the Hector costume reference other characters in the Fire Emblem games who, like Hector, are heavily armored. Each of these characters is related to either Ike or Hector.
- Red (Hector): Based on Zelgius, Ike's rival in his games.
- Green (Hector): Loosely based on Uther, Hector's elder brother.
- Black (Hector): Based on the Black Knight, the sinister alter ego of Zelgius.
In all of its color schemes, the Hector costume also changes Ike's sword Ragnell into its counterpart, Alondite. In both Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, Alondite is the weapon of choice of Zelgius/the Black Knight.
Project+[edit]
In Project+, Ike received another new set of alternate costumes based on his father, Greil. It has recolors inspired by characters in the Tellius series such as Titania, Shinon, and Zihark.
Secret costumes:
- Z-Secret Costume: A Lord Ike recolor that uses the colors of Ike's promotion in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance.
- R-Secret Costume: Ike Climber (from PMDT's 2014 April Fools video).
Gallery[edit]
Trivia[edit]
- Alongside Wolf and Captain Falcon, Ike is one of the three characters whose down aerial is able to both meteor smash and spike. The spike hitbox has since been removed in V3.0.1 of P+.
- Ike's render in P+ emulates his render as depicted in official artwork for Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance.
External links[edit]
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