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|name         = Yoshi
|name = Yoshi
|image       = [[Image:Yoshi SSBB.jpg|250px]]
|image = {{tabber|title1=Classic (PM)|content1=[[File:Yoshi SSBB.jpg|250x250px]]|title2=Classic (P+)|content2=[[File:PPlus Yoshi.png|250x250px]]|title3=Dorrie Yoshi (P+)|content3=[[File:PPlus Dorrie Yoshi.png|250x250px]]|title4=Great Gonzales (P+)|content4=[[File:PPlus Great Gonzales.png|250x250px]]}}
|mod         = Project M
|mod = Project M
|base         = ssbb
|base = SSBB
|moveset1     = Yoshi (SSBM)
|moveset1 = Yoshi (SSBM)
|moveset2     = Yoshi (SSB)
|moveset2 = Yoshi (SSB)
|tier        = Lower-Mid
|altcostume = [[supermariowiki:Dorrie|Dorrie Yoshi]] (''[[Project+]]''), Great Gonzales Yoshi (''Project+'')
|ranking      = 33
}}
}}
'''Yoshi''' is a playable character in the ''[[Brawl]]'' mod ''[[Project M]]'', debuting in the [[Mario (universe)|''Super Mario'' series]] as a sidekick and later going on to star in his [[Yoshi (universe)|own games]]. For his appearance in ''Project M'', Yoshi was reverted to his ''Melee'' version, with a few changes based on his ''Smash 64'' version as well. <!--tier position paragraph-->
'''Yoshi''' is a playable character in the ''[[Brawl]]'' mod ''[[Project M]]''. For his appearance in ''Project M'', Yoshi was reverted to his ''Melee'' version, with a few changes based on his ''Smash 64'' version as well.  
 
Yoshi ranks 33rd out of 41 on the [[Project M#Tier list|official]] [[tier list]] at the top of the D tier. This is a significant drop from his ''Melee'' standing at 10th out of 26, however is less of a drop compared to ''Brawl'', where he placed 27th out of 38.


==Attributes==
==Attributes==
Yoshi is a very mobile fighter with many great offensive and defensive options, a solid [[combo]] game, and a versatile [[projectile]]. Yoshi has two unique features in his moveset: his [[shield]] and his [[double jump]]. Yoshi's shield does not function as normal shields do: upon shielding, Yoshi encases himself in an egg. As the shield depletes from damage or time, it does not shrink, changing color instead. This makes Yoshi impossible to [[shield stab]] and grants Yoshi the ability to [[parry]], blocking attacks on the frame they hit and being able to counter instantly. Yoshi is also completely immune to [[shieldstun]] past the normal [[hitlag]] of the move. Yoshi's midair jump is also unique. It is delayed, like [[Peach]]'s or [[Ness]]'s second jump, enabling [[double jump canceling]], rising aerials, and enhancing mobility options in the air. It also features light [[armor]], letting Yoshi use it through moves that would have otherwise caused flinching. This allows Yoshi to [[double jump cancel counter]] or use the jump as a defensive option. Many of Yoshi's attacks utilize his long tail, giving them great reach. He also has great aerials, with his forward being a meteor shower, down being a heavy damage dealer, and neutral and up both being able to kill. His [[Egg Throw]] has great range and is hard to predict with how widely it can be angled. It serves as a great [[edge guard]]ing or comboing tool.  
Yoshi is a heavy, yet very mobile fighter with many great offensive and defensive options, a solid [[combo]] game, and a versatile [[projectile]]; despite being heavy, however, Yoshi is rather weak for his weight, being among the weakest of the heavyweights, and he does not have as many (if any) finishers compared to other heavyweights (ie {{PM|Ganondorf}}). Yoshi has two unique features in his moveset: his [[shield]] and his [[double jump]]. Yoshi's shield does not function as normal shields do: upon shielding, Yoshi encases himself in an egg. As the shield depletes from damage or time, it does not shrink, changing color instead. This makes Yoshi impossible to [[shield stab]] and grants Yoshi the ability to [[parry]], blocking attacks on the frame they hit and being able to counter instantly. Yoshi is also completely immune to [[shieldstun]] past the normal [[hitlag]] of the move. Yoshi's midair jump is also unique. It is delayed, like {{PM|Peach}}'s or {{PM|Ness}}' second jump, enabling [[double jump canceling]], rising aerials, and enhancing mobility options in the air. It also features subtractive [[armor]], letting Yoshi use it through moves that do not deal enough knockback. This allows Yoshi to [[double jump cancel counter]] or use the jump as a defensive option. Many of Yoshi's attacks utilize his long tail, giving them great reach. He also has great aerials, with his forward being a meteor smash, down being a heavy damage dealer, and neutral and up both being able to [[KO]]. His [[Egg Throw]] has great range and is hard to predict with how widely it can be angled. It serves as a great [[edge guard]]ing or comboing tool.
 
However, Yoshi has one huge weakness. Like {{PM|Jigglypuff}}, he lacks a recovery up special but unlike other characters, he lacks a recovery special move, making unexpected ventures offstage result in falls very often. While Yoshi's double jump is armored and can travel a long distance, Yoshi does not get it back upon being put into hitstun, differing from normal [[recoveries]] and making Yoshi very easy to [[gimp]] once his jump is gone. This is especially detrimental due to his heavy reliance on his midair jump for many maneuvers and techniques on stage. If Yoshi is hit out of his jump while on stage or trades while using a double jump canceled aerial, he is almost certain to be KO'd.


However, Yoshi has one huge weakness. He lacks a recovery move, making unexpected ventures off stage result in death very often. While Yoshi's double jump is armored and can travel a long distance, Yoshi does not get it back upon being put into hitstun. This differs from normal [[recovery|return moves]] and makes Yoshi very easy to [[gimp]] once his jump is gone. This is especially detrimental due to his heavy reliance on his midair jump for many maneuvers and techniques on stage. If Yoshi is hit out of his jump while on stage or trades while using a double jump canceled aerial, he is almost certain to be KO'd.  
==Changes from ''Melee'' to PM==
===Aesthetics===
*{{change|The egg formed via Yoshi's shield and Egg Roll also now matches Yoshi's selected colour, instead of always being green. As of 3.5, the eggs used in Egg Throw change to match Yoshi's current color as well.}}


===Changes from ''Melee'' to PM===
===Attributes===
*{{buff|Midair jump not only has its knockback reduction armor from ''Melee'', but has a slightly higher knockback threshold as well, improving Yoshi's recovery. [[Double-jump cancel]]ing is also optional, like with Ness and Lucas: holding the jump button will make Yoshi perform a rising aerial instead.}}
*{{buff|Shield works just as in ''Smash 64'', as Yoshi can now jump [[out of shield]] like all other characters, greatly expanding his defensive options and giving him a better time handling [[pressure]]. This also allows him to [[parry]] attacks like in ''Smash 64''.}}
*{{buff|Shield works just as in ''Smash 64'', as Yoshi can now jump [[out of shield]] like all other characters, greatly expanding his defensive options and giving him a better time handling [[pressure]]. This also allows him to [[parry]] attacks like in ''Smash 64''.}}
*{{buff|Forward tilt, down tilt, back aerial and up aerial retain their formats from ''Brawl'', but inflict higher damage and have better reach.}}
*{{buff|[[Rolling]] animation has slightly increased in speed.}}
*{{buff|Midair jump not only has its knockback reduction armor from ''Melee'', but has a slightly higher knockback threshold as well, improving Yoshi's recovery. [[Double-jump cancel]]ing is also optional, like with Ness and Lucas: holding the jump button will make Yoshi perform a rising aerial instead.}}
 
*{{buff|[[Grab]] has a slightly faster startup. All throws are also stronger in terms of damage.}}
===Ground Attacks===
*{{buff|Down throw has slightly less [[ending lag]], allowing Yoshi to followup into aerial attacks quicker and more easily.}}
*{{buff|Yoshi retains his ''Brawl'' forward tilt although it has the power of his ''Melee'' forward tilt making it a better spacing move.}}
*{{buff|[[Rolling]] animation has been sped up a bit.}}
*{{buff|[[Up tilt]] is now a headbutt similar to its ''Smash 64'' counterpart. Compared to his ''Melee'' up tilt, it has less startup (frame 8 → 6) and ending lag (frame 30 → 24) and it has more range making it better at juggling and initiating aerial [[combo]]s at low percentages. It also deals more knockback (72 (base), 40 (scaling) → 36/112) improving its KO potential.}}
*{{nerf|Up tilt deals less damage (10% → 9% (clean), 7% (late)).}}
*{{buff|Dash attack's clean hit deals more damage (9% → 11%).}}
*{{nerf|Dash attack's late hit deals less damage (8% → 7%).}}
*{{buff|Forward smash has its [[PAL]] strength dealing more damage (16% → 17%) and having higher knockback scaling (94 → 98).}}
*{{buff|Up smash deals more damage (14% → 16%) improving its KO potential despite its lower knockback scaling (108 → 101).}}
*{{buff|The front hit of down smash has more knockback scaling (75/60 → 80) while the back hit deals more damage (12% → 13%).}}
*{{nerf|The back hit has less knockback scaling (75/80 → 64) hindering its KO potential.}}
 
===Aerial Attacks===
*{{buff|Forward aerial has less startup lag (frame 19 → 16) and it has a longer initial auto-cancel window (frames 1-4 → 1-7).}}
*{{nerf|Forward aerial has less knockback scaling (100 → 80).}}
*{{buff|Back aerial deals more damage due to changes to [[stale-move negation]] (20% → 22%) and the final hit has higher base knockback (40 → 50).}}
*{{nerf|Back aerial's second and third hits have more base knockback (10 → 20) making them connect less reliably.}}
*{{buff|Down aerial has less startup (frame 18 → 16) and landing lag (26 frames → 24).}}
*{{nerf|Down aerial deals much less damage (4% → 3% (loop hits), 53% → 38% (total)).}}
 
===Grab and Throws===
*{{buff|[[Grab]] has slightly faster startup (frame 18 → 17) and both standing and dash grab have less ending lag (frame 79 (standing), frame 70 (dash) → frame 63 (both)). Yoshi also retains his pivot grab from ''Brawl'' although it has more ending lag due to its ending lag animation playing at 0.75x its normal speed (frame 36 → 41).}}
*{{buff|All throws except for up throw deal more damage (6% → 7% (forward/back), 4% → 6% (down)). Forward and back throws also launch opponents at a lower angle (45° → 40°).}}
*{{buff|Down throw has slightly less ending lag and has less knockback (120 (base), 20 (scaling) → 90/25), allowing Yoshi to followup into aerial attacks quicker and more easily.}}
 
===Special Moves===
*{{buff|[[Egg Roll]] starts earlier and has significantly less ending lag. It also no longer enforces [[helplessness]], instead making Yoshi just lose his midair jump.}}
*{{buff|[[Egg Roll]] starts earlier and has significantly less ending lag. It also no longer enforces [[helplessness]], instead making Yoshi just lose his midair jump.}}
*{{buff|[[Yoshi Bomb]] retains its jumping hitbox from ''Brawl'', leading more easily into the fall, allowing more consistent damage racking from the move. The stars produced upon landing are also much stronger in knockback and damage.}}
*{{nerf|Egg Roll grants less horizontal distance when used in midair.}}
*{{nerf|Egg Roll grants less horizontal distance when used in midair.}}
*{{change|[[Up tilt]] reverted to its incarnation from ''Smash 64''. Compared to his ''Melee'' up tilt, it deals weaker damage with low base knockback, but is better at juggling and initiating aerial [[combo]]s at low percentages. Unlike the ''Smash 64'' version, it can now KO at high percentages.}}
*{{buff|The Eggs from [[Egg Throw]] now last until they either hit something or go off screen.}}
*{{change|Yoshi now has purple, orange, black and white recolors in addition to the six previous ones, all being taken from the ''Yoshi's Island'' games. The egg formed via Yoshi's shield and Egg Roll also now matches Yoshi's selected colour, instead of always being green.}}
*{{buff|[[Yoshi Bomb]] retains its jumping hitbox from ''Brawl'', leading more easily into the fall, allowing more consistent damage racking from the move. The stars produced upon landing are also much stronger in knockback and damage. The grounded version has more knockback scaling (98 → 100) while the aerial version deals more damage (14% → 16%).}}


==Changes from PM to P+==
==Revisions==
==Revisions==
===3.01===
===v3.01===
*{{buff|Removed a rotating hitbox on [[Egg Roll]] that was left in error.}}
*{{buff|[[Egg Throw]] is a frame earlier.}}
*{{buff|[[Egg Throw]] throws the egg one frame earlier.}}
*{{nerf|Removed a rotating hitbox on [[Egg Roll]] that was left in error.}}
 
===v3.5===
*{{change|Up tilts collisions shrunk slightly to better match head.}}
*{{change|Down aerials landing collisions now sends opponents at a horizontal angle.}}
*{{nerf|Up aerial has a smaller collision at the tail.}}
*{{nerf|No longer gains momentum after first use of Egg Roll in the air.}}
*{{buff|Can now grab ledges behind him when using Yoshi Bomb.}}
*{{buff|Goes into helpless animation after 112 of falling during Yoshi Bomb.}}
 
===v3.6===
*{{nerf|Weight reduced from 111 to 108, making him lighter than {{PM|Ganondorf}}, {{PM|Charizard}}, and {{PM|Samus}}, characters Yoshi outweighed prior to the update.}}
*{{buff|Knockback growth for up aerial has been slightly increased.}}
*{{nerf|Down aerial deals less damage (38% instead of 43%).}}
*{{nerf|Pivot grab IASA increased to 40 frames from 35.}}
*{{nerf|All of Yoshi's grab cannot grab aerial opponents unless grabbed by the inner mouth hitbox which only lasts for 2 frames.}}
*{{buff|Yoshi can no longer be footstooled during his double jump animation.}}
*{{change|Egg Throw's velocity has been changed to better match ''Melee''.}}<ref name="beta">Not featured in the beta version</ref>
**{{buff|The move now has slightly less ending lag.}}<ref name="beta">Not featured in the beta version</ref>
*{{change|Egg Roll gains less horizontal and vertical momentum after first use.}}
**{{nerf|Usage count does not reset whenever Yoshi grabs a ledge.}}
**{{bugfix|Usage count now properly resets whenever Yoshi lands or gets grabbed.}}
*{{buff|Yoshi Bomb has faster startup when used on the ground.}}
**{{nerf|The move lasts for a shorter duration and the hitbox size has been decreased.}}
**{{nerf|Both the collision and the stars can now be [[SDI]]'d out of.}}
**{{change|The knockback of the move has been altered and the landing stars hitbox now comes out 3 frames later to avoid overriding with Yoshi Bomb's knockback.}}<ref name="beta">Not featured in the beta version</ref>
<references/>


==Moveset==
==Moveset==
Up to date as of version 3.0.
Up to date as of version 3.6.


{|class="wikitable"
{|class="wikitable"
! !!Name!!Damage!!Description
! colspan=2 | !!Name!!Damage!!Description
|-
|-
!Neutral attack
! colspan=2 rowspan=2 | Neutral attack
| Double Kick ||4%, 6%|| A short weak kick with one foot, followed by a weak kick with the other foot. Both hits can combo into themselves.
| rowspan=2 | || 4% || rowspan=2 | Yoshi quickly kicks with his left leg, then with his right leg. Both kicks can combo into themselves. The feet Yoshi strikes with are invulnerable.
|-
|-
!Forward tilt
|6%
| Tail Flick ||12%|| Flicks his tail in front of himself. Can be angled.
|-
|-
!Up tilt
! rowspan="3" | Forward tilt || ↗
| Upward Headbutt ||9%|| Does a quick headbutt upward. The move can combo into itself multiple times.
| rowspan="3" | || 13% || rowspan="3" | Yoshi spins and swipes enemies with his tail. This move can be angled up or down.
|-
|-
!Down tilt
!
| Tail Sweep ||10%|| Sweeps his tail in front of himself. Has strong horizontal knockback but has zero knockback scaling and won't KO even at 999%.  
|12%
|-
!↘
|11%
|-
! colspan=2 | Up tilt
| || 9% (clean), 7% (late) || Yoshi does a quick headbutt upward. This move can easily combo into itself at low percents.
|-
! colspan=2 | Down tilt
| || 10% || Yoshi performs a low sweep with his tail. This move deals strong horizontal knockback, but has zero knockback scaling—meaning that this move has [[set knockback]].
<!--Crawl attack-->
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|-
|-
!Dash attack
! colspan=2 | Dash attack
| Noggin Knock ||11%|| A running headbutt.
| || 11% (clean), 7% (late) || Yoshi performs a running headbutt.
|-
|-
!Forward smash
! colspan=2 | Forward smash
| Noggin Floggin' ||{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|17}}|| Reels his head back, charging in place, and then headbutts forwards. Has decent knockback.
| || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|17}} || Yoshi reels his head back, then slams it forward as a powerful headbutt. This move has decent knockback and can be aimed up or down. Yoshi's head is [[intangible]] while the hitboxes are active.
|-
|-
!Up smash
! colspan=2 | Up smash
| Jumping Headbutt ||{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|16}}|| Reels his head way far backwards to the ground while charging and then headbutts upwards in an arch.
| || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|16}} || Yoshi headbutts upwards. Just like his forward smash, Yoshi's head is intangible while the hitboxes are active.
|-
|-
!Down smash
! colspan=2 | Down smash
| Double Tail Whip ||{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}}; Back hit: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|13}}|| Leans down and flicks his tail front and back. A very useful edgeguarding move.
| ||{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}} (front), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|13}} (back) || Yoshi leans down and flicks his tail front and back. A very useful [[edgeguarding]] move.
|-
|-
!Neutral aerial
! colspan=2 | Neutral aerial
| Yoshi's Kick ||10%-14%|| A sex kick. Gets weaker the longer it is out.
| || 14% (clean), 10% (late) || A [[sex kick]]. Gets weaker the longer it is out.
|-
|-
!Forward aerial
! colspan=2 | Forward aerial
| Noggin Dunk ||17%|| Brings his head back and then brings it down. This move is a [[meteor smash]] and has slightly slow start up.
| Noggin Dunk || 17% || Yoshi brings his head back and forcefully swings it down. This move has slow start-up, but is a powerful [[meteor smash]], being one of the most effective meteor smashes in the game.
|-
|-
!Back aerial
! colspan=2 | Back aerial
| Tail Wag ||7%, 6%, 5%, 4%|| Wags his tail behind him 4 times.
| || 7% (hit 1), 6% (hit 2), 5% (hit 3), 4% (hit 4) || Yoshi wags his tail behind him four times.
|-
|-
!Up aerial
! colspan=2 | Up aerial
| Dino Flip ||13%|| Thrusts his tail upwards very fast. Good for getting star KOs.
| || 13% || Yoshi flips his body and flicks his tail upward. A good move for getting [[Star KO|Star KOs]].
|-
|-
!Down aerial
! colspan=2 | Down aerial
| Flutter Kick ||3% then 4% each kick; up to 56%|| Kicks his feet down very fast and continuously, weakly meteor smashes enemies.Great for racking up damage at early percents.
| Flutter Kick || 3% (hits 1-6), 2-3% (hits 7-14) || Yoshi kicks his feet downwards very fast and continuously, weakly meteor smashing enemies. A great move for racking up damage at early percents.
<!--Grab aerial-->
<!--Grab aerial-->
|-
|-
!Grab
! colspan=2 | Grab
| Sticky Tongue ||&mdash;|| Flicks his tongue out in order to pull the enemy into his mouth. Moves forward a ways after a dash and has slight ending lag if it misses.
| || &mdash; || Yoshi flicks his tongue out in order to pull the enemy into his mouth. Moves Yoshi forward a ways when used after a dash and has slight ending lag if it misses.
|-
|-
!Pummel
! colspan=2 | Pummel
| Chew ||3%|| Chews on the enemy.
| || 3% || Chews on the enemy.
|-
|-
!Forward throw
! colspan=2 | Forward throw
| Spit Out ||7%|| Spits the enemy in front on himself.
| || 7% || Yoshi spits the enemy out forwards.
|-
|-
!Back throw
! colspan=2 | Back throw
| Spin 'n' Spit ||7%|| Turns around and spits foe out.
| || 7% || Yoshi turns around and spits the enemy out backwards.
|-
|-
!Up throw
! colspan=2 | Up throw
| Spit Up ||5%|| Chunks the opponent upwards.
| || 5% || Yoshi spits the enemy out upwards.
|-
|-
!Down throw
! colspan=2 | Down throw
| Jump 'n' Spit ||6%|| Forcefully slams foe into the ground.
| || 6% || Yoshi spits the enemy into the ground.
|-
|-
!Floor attack (front)
! colspan=2 | Floor attack (front)
| Head Slash ||6%|| Kicks his feet in front and then behind.
| || 6% || Yoshi gets up and headbutts both sides of himself.
|-
|-
!Floor attack (back)
! colspan=2 | Floor attack (back)
| Spin Kick ||6%|| Kicks his feet in front and then behind.
| || 6% || Yoshi gets up and spin kicks both sides of himself.
|-
|-
!Floor attack (trip)
! colspan=2 | Floor attack (trip)
| Tail Swing ||5%|| Two small tail whips to either side.
| || 5% || Yoshi performs two small tail whips both sides.
|-
|-
!Edge attack (fast)
! colspan=2 | Edge attack (fast)
| Tail Spin ||7%|| Gets up and whips his tail.
| || 7% || Yoshi picks himself up and whips his tail in front.
|-
|-
!Edge attack (slow)
! colspan=2 | Edge attack (slow)
| Headbutt ||9%|| Slowly gets up and slams his head forward with short range.
| || 11% || Yoshi slowly gets up and slams his head forward with short range.
|-
|-
!Neutral special
! colspan=2 | Neutral special
| [[Egg Lay]] ||7%|| Swallows the enemy and then pops them out behind him, trapping them in an egg, allowing Yoshi to score a few extra hits before the egg breaks.
| [[Egg Lay]] || 7% || Yoshi swallows an enemy and turns them into an egg. When encased in an egg, the victim receives less damage and can repeatedly tap buttons to break free, but is completely immobile and vulnerable to Yoshi's attacks while trapped.
|-
|-
!Side special
! colspan=2 | Side special
| [[Egg Roll]] ||4%-12% (varies with speed)|| Yoshi eggs himself and starts rolling around. The damage done is based on how fast he's moving.
| [[Egg Roll]] || 4-12% || Yoshi turns into an egg and starts rolling around. The damage done is based on how fast he's moving. When this move is started in the air, Yoshi won't do any damage until he hits the ground.
|-
|-
!Up special
! colspan=2 | Up special
| [[Egg Throw]] ||9%|| Chucks an egg with a pseudo-controllable impact site.
| [[Egg Throw]] || 1% (contact), 8% (explosion) || Yoshi throws an egg in a controllable parabolic arc. The strength and angle of the egg that is thrown can be controlled by holding the [[B button|special button]] and tilting the [[control stick]] respectively during Yoshi's windup.
|-
|-
!Down special
! colspan=2 | Down special
| [[Yoshi Bomb]] ||16%, 4% (rise and stars)|| Launches into the air, moves slightly forward and trapping the victims near Yoshi, then falls fast and hits the ground with a star appearing on each side of him. Will simply flip and fall fast if used in the air.
| [[Yoshi Bomb]] || 4% (hop), 16% (drop), 4% (stars) || Yoshi Jumps and plummets downwards, producing stars when he lands. If used in the air, Yoshi will fall straight down. This move can sweetspot a ledge only if Yoshi is facing towards one.
|-
|-
!Final Smash
! colspan=2 | Final Smash
| [[Super Dragon]] || 6% (small flames) 8% (contact) 17% (fireball) || Yoshi grows wings and starts breathing fire everywhere.
| [[Super Dragon]] || 8% (contact), 6% (small flames), 17% (fireball) || Yoshi sprouts a pair of angelic wings and gains the ability to fly. While transformed, Yoshi is completely invincible and can either ram into other foes or shoot fireballs. Pressing the attack buttons makes Yoshi shoot a large fireball that deals high knockback and inputting no attack buttons for three seconds makes him breathe a continuous stream of flames that can deals continuous damage to nearby foes.
|}
|}


==In [[competitive play]]==
==In [[competitive play]]==
===Notable players===
===Most historically significant players===
*{{sm|aMSa|Japan}}
<!--This character has a ten player limit for this section. Before adding and/or removing a player, read these guidelines: https://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki:Notability#%22Most_historically_significant_players%22_guidelines -->
*{{sm|V3ctorman|USA}}
 
''See also: [[:Category:Yoshi players (PM)]]''
 
*{{Sm|Burntsocks|USA}} - The best Yoshi player in the world in ''Project M''. His 13th-place finish at {{Trn|Rewired 2016}} was tied for the best Yoshi placement at a major for many years, and he also notably placed 33rd at {{Trn|The Bigger Balc}}, one of the largest ''Project M'' tournaments of all-time.
*{{Sm|Eyeheartlovetap|USA}} - The best Yoshi player in the [[Midwest]] best known for placing 13th at {{Trn|Smash 'N' Splash 2}}, which was tied as the best Yoshi placement at a major for many years. He remained active exclusively in the Midwest, although he made a few appearances outside his region, most notably placing 4th at {{Trn|Summit 2016}}.
*{{Sm|Shiny Zubat|USA}} - Although mainly a {{PM|Luigi}} player who only using Yoshi as a secondary in ''Project M'', he eventually switched to just Yoshi in ''Project+'' and is considered the best Yoshi player of all-time. He remains the only Yoshi player to place top 8 at a major, most notably placing 2nd at {{Trn|Undertow 2024}} and 3rd at {{Trn|The Bigger Mile High Club}}. He was ranked 15th on the [[PMRank 2023]] and remains the only Yoshi player ranked on the PMRank.
 
==Alternate costumes==
===Project M===
Yoshi has been given four new recolors: Black, White, Purple, and Orange.
 
{|style="margin:1em auto 1em auto;text-align:center"
|-
|colspan=8| [[File:Yoshi Palette (PM).png|frame|center|Yoshi's alternate costumes in PM]]
|-
|[[File:YoshiHeadSSBB.png]]
|[[File:YoshiHeadRedSSBB.png]]
|[[File:YoshiHeadBlueSSBB.png]]
|[[File:YoshiHeadYellowSSBB.png]]
|[[File:YoshiHeadPinkSSBB.png]]
|-
|[[File:YoshiHeadCyanSSBB.png]]
|[[File:YoshiHeadBlackPM.png]]
|[[File:YoshiHeadWhitePM.png]]
|[[File:YoshiHeadPurplePM.png]]
|[[File:YoshiHeadOrangePM.png]]
|}
 
===Project+===
Yoshi received a new Brown color. ''[[Project +]]'' also adds two new alternate costumes for Yoshi, the first being based on Dorrie's appearance in ''Super Mario Odyssey'', with the Red Team recolor specifically referencing Plessie from ''Super Mario 3D World'', while the green is based on Gobblegut, with a hat resembling Professor Layton. The purple costume is based on the Purple Dorrie that sell hats in ''Super Mario Odyssey''. The third costume is based on the Yoshi Kid from ''Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door'' and its Nintendo Switch remake, now as an adult, and has taken Mario's wrestling name: The Great Gonzales. Extra details include the fact that the jackets of each version of the costume matches the "diaper" Yoshi Kid normally wears, and the zipper of the jackets are based on the skulls of the game's [[mariowiki:Dry Bones|Dry Bones]] and their variants, with the pink alt's resembling a [[mariowiki:Red Bones|Red Bones]] and the black alt's resembling a [[mariowiki:Dull Bones|Dull Bones]]. The alternate colors of the Yoshi Kid costume reference the different forms the character can take on depending on how long it takes between recruiting his egg and either losing or forfeiting to the [[mariowiki:Iron Adonis Twins|Iron Adonis Twins]], a pair of [[mariowiki:Iron Cleft|Iron Clefts]] fought in the [[mariowiki:Glitz Pit|Glitz Pit]] in the game's third chapter. In that game, his different forms appear within the time frames of 0-6 minutes, 15-18 minutes, 9-12 minutes, 18-19 minutes, and 19-20 minutes, respectively, with the red alt that takes 6-9 minutes and the orange alt that takes 12-15 minutes being absent. In 3.0, the Purple and Orange Yoshi recolors were removed to make way for the Great Gonzales costumes.
 
[[File:Yoshi Palette (P+).png|1760px|thumb|center|Yoshi's costumes in P+]]
 
'''Secret costumes:'''


==Palette swaps==
[[File:Yoshi Z P+.png|160px]] [[File:Yoshi R_P+.png|160px]]
[[Image:Yoshi Palette (PM).png|frame|center|Yoshi's palette swaps in PM]]
 
 
'''Z-Secret Costume:''' Boshi: Based on [[mariowiki:Boshi|Boshi]], a character exclusive to ''[[mariowiki:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars|Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]]'' and [[mariowiki:Super Mario RPG (Nintendo Switch)|its Nintendo Switch remake]] whose Japanese name has connections to [[Wario]] and similar characters. Extra details include sunglasses, visible fangs coming from his mouth, a red collar with spikes around his neck, two spines instead of three on the back of his head, and his torn red shoes that expose his clawed feet.
 
'''R-Secret Costume:''' Pirate Yoshi: Based on Yoshi's costume when playing on the [[mariowiki:Pirate Land|Pirate Land]] board from ''[[mariowiki:Mario Party 2|Mario Party 2]]'', which is also used for his official artwork for the game.


==Trivia==
==Trivia==
*Yoshi has the most palette swaps out of any characters that are not alternate costumes with a total of 10 colors.
*Yoshi has ten alternate costumes (nine as of 3.0), consisting of various colour changes; this gives Yoshi the highest number of alternate costumes in the game that do not directly modify his model.
**Two of the four new costumes, the purple and black costumes, would later be used in ''[[SSB4]]''.


==External links==
==External links==
*[http://projectmgame.com/en/characters/yoshi Project M character page]
*[http://smashboards.com/threads/frame-research-yoshis-parry.262911/#post-9415501 Detailed shield information]
*[http://smashboards.com/threads/frame-research-yoshis-parry.262911/#post-9415501 Detailed shield information]
*[https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBPM/comments/an8n91/labbing_discord_results_yoshi/ Labbing Discord Tech Post]


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Latest revision as of 23:51, September 12, 2024

Yoshi
in Project M and Project+
Yoshi SSBB.jpg
PPlus Yoshi.png
PPlus Dorrie Yoshi.png
PPlus Great Gonzales.png

YoshiSymbol.svg
Universe Yoshi
Base game appearance Brawl
Moveset inspiration Yoshi (SSBM), Yoshi (SSB)
Alternate costume Dorrie Yoshi (Project+), Great Gonzales Yoshi (Project+)
Yoshi (SSBB)

Yoshi is a playable character in the Brawl mod Project M. For his appearance in Project M, Yoshi was reverted to his Melee version, with a few changes based on his Smash 64 version as well.

Yoshi ranks 33rd out of 41 on the official tier list at the top of the D tier. This is a significant drop from his Melee standing at 10th out of 26, however is less of a drop compared to Brawl, where he placed 27th out of 38.

Attributes[edit]

Yoshi is a heavy, yet very mobile fighter with many great offensive and defensive options, a solid combo game, and a versatile projectile; despite being heavy, however, Yoshi is rather weak for his weight, being among the weakest of the heavyweights, and he does not have as many (if any) finishers compared to other heavyweights (ie Ganondorf). Yoshi has two unique features in his moveset: his shield and his double jump. Yoshi's shield does not function as normal shields do: upon shielding, Yoshi encases himself in an egg. As the shield depletes from damage or time, it does not shrink, changing color instead. This makes Yoshi impossible to shield stab and grants Yoshi the ability to parry, blocking attacks on the frame they hit and being able to counter instantly. Yoshi is also completely immune to shieldstun past the normal hitlag of the move. Yoshi's midair jump is also unique. It is delayed, like Peach's or Ness' second jump, enabling double jump canceling, rising aerials, and enhancing mobility options in the air. It also features subtractive armor, letting Yoshi use it through moves that do not deal enough knockback. This allows Yoshi to double jump cancel counter or use the jump as a defensive option. Many of Yoshi's attacks utilize his long tail, giving them great reach. He also has great aerials, with his forward being a meteor smash, down being a heavy damage dealer, and neutral and up both being able to KO. His Egg Throw has great range and is hard to predict with how widely it can be angled. It serves as a great edge guarding or comboing tool.

However, Yoshi has one huge weakness. Like Jigglypuff, he lacks a recovery up special but unlike other characters, he lacks a recovery special move, making unexpected ventures offstage result in falls very often. While Yoshi's double jump is armored and can travel a long distance, Yoshi does not get it back upon being put into hitstun, differing from normal recoveries and making Yoshi very easy to gimp once his jump is gone. This is especially detrimental due to his heavy reliance on his midair jump for many maneuvers and techniques on stage. If Yoshi is hit out of his jump while on stage or trades while using a double jump canceled aerial, he is almost certain to be KO'd.

Changes from Melee to PM[edit]

Aesthetics[edit]

  • Change The egg formed via Yoshi's shield and Egg Roll also now matches Yoshi's selected colour, instead of always being green. As of 3.5, the eggs used in Egg Throw change to match Yoshi's current color as well.

Attributes[edit]

  • Buff Midair jump not only has its knockback reduction armor from Melee, but has a slightly higher knockback threshold as well, improving Yoshi's recovery. Double-jump canceling is also optional, like with Ness and Lucas: holding the jump button will make Yoshi perform a rising aerial instead.
  • Buff Shield works just as in Smash 64, as Yoshi can now jump out of shield like all other characters, greatly expanding his defensive options and giving him a better time handling pressure. This also allows him to parry attacks like in Smash 64.
  • Buff Rolling animation has slightly increased in speed.

Ground Attacks[edit]

  • Buff Yoshi retains his Brawl forward tilt although it has the power of his Melee forward tilt making it a better spacing move.
  • Buff Up tilt is now a headbutt similar to its Smash 64 counterpart. Compared to his Melee up tilt, it has less startup (frame 8 → 6) and ending lag (frame 30 → 24) and it has more range making it better at juggling and initiating aerial combos at low percentages. It also deals more knockback (72 (base), 40 (scaling) → 36/112) improving its KO potential.
  • Nerf Up tilt deals less damage (10% → 9% (clean), 7% (late)).
  • Buff Dash attack's clean hit deals more damage (9% → 11%).
  • Nerf Dash attack's late hit deals less damage (8% → 7%).
  • Buff Forward smash has its PAL strength dealing more damage (16% → 17%) and having higher knockback scaling (94 → 98).
  • Buff Up smash deals more damage (14% → 16%) improving its KO potential despite its lower knockback scaling (108 → 101).
  • Buff The front hit of down smash has more knockback scaling (75/60 → 80) while the back hit deals more damage (12% → 13%).
  • Nerf The back hit has less knockback scaling (75/80 → 64) hindering its KO potential.

Aerial Attacks[edit]

  • Buff Forward aerial has less startup lag (frame 19 → 16) and it has a longer initial auto-cancel window (frames 1-4 → 1-7).
  • Nerf Forward aerial has less knockback scaling (100 → 80).
  • Buff Back aerial deals more damage due to changes to stale-move negation (20% → 22%) and the final hit has higher base knockback (40 → 50).
  • Nerf Back aerial's second and third hits have more base knockback (10 → 20) making them connect less reliably.
  • Buff Down aerial has less startup (frame 18 → 16) and landing lag (26 frames → 24).
  • Nerf Down aerial deals much less damage (4% → 3% (loop hits), 53% → 38% (total)).

Grab and Throws[edit]

  • Buff Grab has slightly faster startup (frame 18 → 17) and both standing and dash grab have less ending lag (frame 79 (standing), frame 70 (dash) → frame 63 (both)). Yoshi also retains his pivot grab from Brawl although it has more ending lag due to its ending lag animation playing at 0.75x its normal speed (frame 36 → 41).
  • Buff All throws except for up throw deal more damage (6% → 7% (forward/back), 4% → 6% (down)). Forward and back throws also launch opponents at a lower angle (45° → 40°).
  • Buff Down throw has slightly less ending lag and has less knockback (120 (base), 20 (scaling) → 90/25), allowing Yoshi to followup into aerial attacks quicker and more easily.

Special Moves[edit]

  • Buff Egg Roll starts earlier and has significantly less ending lag. It also no longer enforces helplessness, instead making Yoshi just lose his midair jump.
  • Nerf Egg Roll grants less horizontal distance when used in midair.
  • Buff The Eggs from Egg Throw now last until they either hit something or go off screen.
  • Buff Yoshi Bomb retains its jumping hitbox from Brawl, leading more easily into the fall, allowing more consistent damage racking from the move. The stars produced upon landing are also much stronger in knockback and damage. The grounded version has more knockback scaling (98 → 100) while the aerial version deals more damage (14% → 16%).

Changes from PM to P+[edit]

Revisions[edit]

v3.01[edit]

  • Buff Egg Throw is a frame earlier.
  • Nerf Removed a rotating hitbox on Egg Roll that was left in error.

v3.5[edit]

  • Change Up tilts collisions shrunk slightly to better match head.
  • Change Down aerials landing collisions now sends opponents at a horizontal angle.
  • Nerf Up aerial has a smaller collision at the tail.
  • Nerf No longer gains momentum after first use of Egg Roll in the air.
  • Buff Can now grab ledges behind him when using Yoshi Bomb.
  • Buff Goes into helpless animation after 112 of falling during Yoshi Bomb.

v3.6[edit]

  • Nerf Weight reduced from 111 to 108, making him lighter than Ganondorf, Charizard, and Samus, characters Yoshi outweighed prior to the update.
  • Buff Knockback growth for up aerial has been slightly increased.
  • Nerf Down aerial deals less damage (38% instead of 43%).
  • Nerf Pivot grab IASA increased to 40 frames from 35.
  • Nerf All of Yoshi's grab cannot grab aerial opponents unless grabbed by the inner mouth hitbox which only lasts for 2 frames.
  • Buff Yoshi can no longer be footstooled during his double jump animation.
  • Change Egg Throw's velocity has been changed to better match Melee.[1]
    • Buff The move now has slightly less ending lag.[1]
  • Change Egg Roll gains less horizontal and vertical momentum after first use.
    • Nerf Usage count does not reset whenever Yoshi grabs a ledge.
    • Bug fix Usage count now properly resets whenever Yoshi lands or gets grabbed.
  • Buff Yoshi Bomb has faster startup when used on the ground.
    • Nerf The move lasts for a shorter duration and the hitbox size has been decreased.
    • Nerf Both the collision and the stars can now be SDI'd out of.
    • Change The knockback of the move has been altered and the landing stars hitbox now comes out 3 frames later to avoid overriding with Yoshi Bomb's knockback.[1]
  1. ^ a b c Not featured in the beta version

Moveset[edit]

Up to date as of version 3.6.

Name Damage Description
Neutral attack 4% Yoshi quickly kicks with his left leg, then with his right leg. Both kicks can combo into themselves. The feet Yoshi strikes with are invulnerable.
6%
Forward tilt 13% Yoshi spins and swipes enemies with his tail. This move can be angled up or down.
12%
11%
Up tilt 9% (clean), 7% (late) Yoshi does a quick headbutt upward. This move can easily combo into itself at low percents.
Down tilt 10% Yoshi performs a low sweep with his tail. This move deals strong horizontal knockback, but has zero knockback scaling—meaning that this move has set knockback.
Dash attack 11% (clean), 7% (late) Yoshi performs a running headbutt.
Forward smash 17% Yoshi reels his head back, then slams it forward as a powerful headbutt. This move has decent knockback and can be aimed up or down. Yoshi's head is intangible while the hitboxes are active.
Up smash 16% Yoshi headbutts upwards. Just like his forward smash, Yoshi's head is intangible while the hitboxes are active.
Down smash 14% (front), 13% (back) Yoshi leans down and flicks his tail front and back. A very useful edgeguarding move.
Neutral aerial 14% (clean), 10% (late) A sex kick. Gets weaker the longer it is out.
Forward aerial Noggin Dunk 17% Yoshi brings his head back and forcefully swings it down. This move has slow start-up, but is a powerful meteor smash, being one of the most effective meteor smashes in the game.
Back aerial 7% (hit 1), 6% (hit 2), 5% (hit 3), 4% (hit 4) Yoshi wags his tail behind him four times.
Up aerial 13% Yoshi flips his body and flicks his tail upward. A good move for getting Star KOs.
Down aerial Flutter Kick 3% (hits 1-6), 2-3% (hits 7-14) Yoshi kicks his feet downwards very fast and continuously, weakly meteor smashing enemies. A great move for racking up damage at early percents.
Grab Yoshi flicks his tongue out in order to pull the enemy into his mouth. Moves Yoshi forward a ways when used after a dash and has slight ending lag if it misses.
Pummel 3% Chews on the enemy.
Forward throw 7% Yoshi spits the enemy out forwards.
Back throw 7% Yoshi turns around and spits the enemy out backwards.
Up throw 5% Yoshi spits the enemy out upwards.
Down throw 6% Yoshi spits the enemy into the ground.
Floor attack (front) 6% Yoshi gets up and headbutts both sides of himself.
Floor attack (back) 6% Yoshi gets up and spin kicks both sides of himself.
Floor attack (trip) 5% Yoshi performs two small tail whips both sides.
Edge attack (fast) 7% Yoshi picks himself up and whips his tail in front.
Edge attack (slow) 11% Yoshi slowly gets up and slams his head forward with short range.
Neutral special Egg Lay 7% Yoshi swallows an enemy and turns them into an egg. When encased in an egg, the victim receives less damage and can repeatedly tap buttons to break free, but is completely immobile and vulnerable to Yoshi's attacks while trapped.
Side special Egg Roll 4-12% Yoshi turns into an egg and starts rolling around. The damage done is based on how fast he's moving. When this move is started in the air, Yoshi won't do any damage until he hits the ground.
Up special Egg Throw 1% (contact), 8% (explosion) Yoshi throws an egg in a controllable parabolic arc. The strength and angle of the egg that is thrown can be controlled by holding the special button and tilting the control stick respectively during Yoshi's windup.
Down special Yoshi Bomb 4% (hop), 16% (drop), 4% (stars) Yoshi Jumps and plummets downwards, producing stars when he lands. If used in the air, Yoshi will fall straight down. This move can sweetspot a ledge only if Yoshi is facing towards one.
Final Smash Super Dragon 8% (contact), 6% (small flames), 17% (fireball) Yoshi sprouts a pair of angelic wings and gains the ability to fly. While transformed, Yoshi is completely invincible and can either ram into other foes or shoot fireballs. Pressing the attack buttons makes Yoshi shoot a large fireball that deals high knockback and inputting no attack buttons for three seconds makes him breathe a continuous stream of flames that can deals continuous damage to nearby foes.

In competitive play[edit]

Most historically significant players[edit]

See also: Category:Yoshi players (PM)

  • USA Burntsocks - The best Yoshi player in the world in Project M. His 13th-place finish at Rewired 2016 was tied for the best Yoshi placement at a major for many years, and he also notably placed 33rd at The Bigger Balc, one of the largest Project M tournaments of all-time.
  • USA Eyeheartlovetap - The best Yoshi player in the Midwest best known for placing 13th at Smash 'N' Splash 2, which was tied as the best Yoshi placement at a major for many years. He remained active exclusively in the Midwest, although he made a few appearances outside his region, most notably placing 4th at Summit 2016.
  • USA Shiny Zubat - Although mainly a Luigi player who only using Yoshi as a secondary in Project M, he eventually switched to just Yoshi in Project+ and is considered the best Yoshi player of all-time. He remains the only Yoshi player to place top 8 at a major, most notably placing 2nd at Undertow 2024 and 3rd at The Bigger Mile High Club. He was ranked 15th on the PMRank 2023 and remains the only Yoshi player ranked on the PMRank.

Alternate costumes[edit]

Project M[edit]

Yoshi has been given four new recolors: Black, White, Purple, and Orange.

Yoshi's alternate costumes in PM
YoshiHeadSSBB.png YoshiHeadRedSSBB.png YoshiHeadBlueSSBB.png YoshiHeadYellowSSBB.png YoshiHeadPinkSSBB.png
YoshiHeadCyanSSBB.png YoshiHeadBlackPM.png YoshiHeadWhitePM.png YoshiHeadPurplePM.png YoshiHeadOrangePM.png

Project+[edit]

Yoshi received a new Brown color. Project + also adds two new alternate costumes for Yoshi, the first being based on Dorrie's appearance in Super Mario Odyssey, with the Red Team recolor specifically referencing Plessie from Super Mario 3D World, while the green is based on Gobblegut, with a hat resembling Professor Layton. The purple costume is based on the Purple Dorrie that sell hats in Super Mario Odyssey. The third costume is based on the Yoshi Kid from Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door and its Nintendo Switch remake, now as an adult, and has taken Mario's wrestling name: The Great Gonzales. Extra details include the fact that the jackets of each version of the costume matches the "diaper" Yoshi Kid normally wears, and the zipper of the jackets are based on the skulls of the game's Dry Bones and their variants, with the pink alt's resembling a Red Bones and the black alt's resembling a Dull Bones. The alternate colors of the Yoshi Kid costume reference the different forms the character can take on depending on how long it takes between recruiting his egg and either losing or forfeiting to the Iron Adonis Twins, a pair of Iron Clefts fought in the Glitz Pit in the game's third chapter. In that game, his different forms appear within the time frames of 0-6 minutes, 15-18 minutes, 9-12 minutes, 18-19 minutes, and 19-20 minutes, respectively, with the red alt that takes 6-9 minutes and the orange alt that takes 12-15 minutes being absent. In 3.0, the Purple and Orange Yoshi recolors were removed to make way for the Great Gonzales costumes.

Yoshi's costumes in P+

Secret costumes:

Yoshi Z P+.png Yoshi R P+.png


Z-Secret Costume: Boshi: Based on Boshi, a character exclusive to Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and its Nintendo Switch remake whose Japanese name has connections to Wario and similar characters. Extra details include sunglasses, visible fangs coming from his mouth, a red collar with spikes around his neck, two spines instead of three on the back of his head, and his torn red shoes that expose his clawed feet.

R-Secret Costume: Pirate Yoshi: Based on Yoshi's costume when playing on the Pirate Land board from Mario Party 2, which is also used for his official artwork for the game.

Trivia[edit]

  • Yoshi has ten alternate costumes (nine as of 3.0), consisting of various colour changes; this gives Yoshi the highest number of alternate costumes in the game that do not directly modify his model.
    • Two of the four new costumes, the purple and black costumes, would later be used in SSB4.

External links[edit]