Talk:Pokémon (universe)

Maybe we should start talking on this talk page, since the Pokemon Universe is a very large topic and so.. yeah. - BigJohnno

Well, one thing I'd like to point out: I don't think it's a great idea for each of the Smash game sections to have one list of Pokemon subsection for several reasons, one being that the full List of Pokemon is supposed to be the big comprehensive supplement to this page that makes smaller lists like these not necessary. Erik, Lord of Universes 00:15, December 30, 2007 (EST)

Chimchar was seen as a trophy in a Japanese training video, a possible Poke Ball Pokemon or just a trophy?

I think in the next few days Sakurai may or probably will, put something on about the commercial leak characters. BigJohnno

General discuss in the FORUM! ~Crystal_Lucario 07:04, January 25, 2008 (EST)

Where did you get that picture of Lucario from, can you get it with the whole body please and put it on his smash page until its on the dojo. sorry can't sign off gtg.

Eevee and Darkrai and Cherrim confirmation.

Confirmation for above Pokemon.

Gulpin confirmed

Video's here.

Jirachi

I was on youtube and I found this video about Classic mode. After you complete it, there are the credits. As it goes on it shows who did the voices of the Pokémon. Then when looking at the faces of the Pokémon you can see Jirachi's face.See here for yourself.

== Trophies, etc. ==

The trophy sections on here need to be tidied up a bit, I suggest putting them in a table rather then a long list of links.--MysteryHeff (talk · contributions) 06:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Trophies, etc.

The trophy sections on here need to be tidied up a bit, I suggest putting them in a table rather then a long list of links (This message is mainly asking for permission to do that).--MysteryHeff (talk · contributions) 06:17, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

"Expected"

Until we have any concrete, confirmed examples, it's blatant speculation to claim that Gen V and VI Pokemon will appear. That's like saying Yoshi is expected to appear based on the fact that he has in all three prior games. Is it likely? Probably. But is it confirmed enough that we should be saying so in the mainspace? Not yet. Miles (talk) 12:42, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

It isn't really speculatory when something is, in essence, guaranteed to happen. It would be speculation to say that Gen V/VI Pokémon will have a playable appearance (which makes this a different scenario than your example with Yoshi) or that they will be Pokéball Pokémon, but not just that they will appear in some form, which nobody would really claim they won't. That brings me to my next point: the article isn't stating that "Gen V/VI Pokémon will appear" or that they're "likely to appear". It says they are expected to appear, which is a fact, because practically every person who plays Smash is "expecting" them to appear, and in that way, it isn't really speculatory, but reporting on what the community expects will happen. DoctorPain99 12:55, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

It's not "guaranteed" in the context of discussing an unreleased game unless you've got some sort of official statement that guarantees it. There's really no way around that. We should never use what the "community expects" as a basis for a claim like that. Miles (talk) 13:00, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

It's guaranteed. Pokémon is arguably Nintendo's largest franchise. How the hell would new Pokémon not be included? It's not even really a question in any way. I believe this is a case of following the spirit of the law, rather than the letter. In most cases, statements like this one are bad, yes, but in this case, there isn't a chance that the information presented will turn out false, and even if it somehow does, all the wiki has stated is that they were expected to appear, not that they would. There may be no official source yet, but again, that's a technicality; there's not any reason why we should abide by it in this case. DoctorPain99 13:12, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

Not necessarily, we could just get Meowth and the return of Mewtwo. They're not Gen V/VI. Toast ltimatum 13:17, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

It would be speculation to say that Gen V/VI Pokémon will have a playable appearance (which makes this a different scenario than your example with Yoshi) or that they will be Pokéball Pokémon, but not just that they will appear in some form, which nobody would really claim they won't. Actually read what I post before responding. I never claimed that Gen V/VI mons would be playable, just that they would make some appearance. DoctorPain99 13:19, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

It's speculation either way, though. You're making an exception on the idea that "making an appearance" has less of a requirement for evidence than playability/Poke Ball appearances. It doesn't. Miles (talk) 13:35, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

Yes it does, because making an appearance is a more general than trying to say they're going to be in a specific role. And why do we need "evidence" from an official source to say that people expect Gen V/VI Pokémon to be in the game in some capacity? It's more than a reasonable expectation, and that expectation exists, there's no denying it. Trying to argue that this is speculation is unnecessarily pedantic. DoctorPain99 14:10, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

We are not in the business of explaining fan predictions. Mainspace articles like this need to be factual and report on what is known, not what some fans "expect". Miles (talk) 14:19, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

We are not "explaining a fan prediction"; that's a strawman. All it says is that "Pokémon from Gens V and VI are expected to make an appearance", which is true, it is expected, you can't refute that and it's also a very reasonable expectation and they're essentially guaranteed to appear, and you can't really refute that either. DoctorPain99 14:32, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

Calling an argument you dislike a strawman doesn't make it one. You were the one claiming "practically every person who plays Smash is "expecting" them to appear", but now you say it isn't a question of a fan prediction? You say that official confirmation would be needed for anything except this? You're sidestepping the point: you're making a faulty exception for a case where it is not fitting with the standards for appropriate reporting on an unreleased game. If it's about an unreleased game, we need confirmation, period. It's a simple case of us needing to wait until we know for sure one way or the other. Miles (talk) 14:50, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

I've lost interest in continuing this discussion because you're failing to do anything beyond repeat the same points over and over, but I have to clarify what I meant when I said you strawmanned. The issue is not whether or not it's a fan prediction; it inarguably is. However, just because we mention one quite obvious "prediction" does not somehow make it true that we're all of a sudden in the business of "explaining fan predictions". We're not even explaining; we're stating, and this is a single isolated case.

Also, a couple users on IRC wanted me to mention the fact that Sakurai did mention he was considering Mewtwo's new form for a playable appearance. I didn't think that qualified as a good enough example and figured you already knew about it, but there you go. DoctorPain99 15:01, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

Complete with links= http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/34700 MegiBeelzebub 15:04, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

indent reset That information would be fine if explained on the Mewtwo page with a citation. Regardless, though, since Dr. Pain and I seem to be stuck in a disagreement, could other folks please weigh in? Miles (talk) 20:27, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

If it says that they are expected, that doesn't mean it's saying that they are definitely going to appear, and this reflects a view amongst the community, so I think it's acceptable. Awesome Cardinal 2000 20:32, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

Mentioning that they're expected just seems a bit pointless in the first place. I don't really care whether it stays or goes, I just don't see why it was added in the first place. Toast ltimatum 20:42, 7 August 2013 (EDT)

I'm of the opinion that there's no need to bring up things like this when there isn't very much that is officially confirmed. No doubt sooner or later we're going to see a Pokeball or a stage background appear, and then we can have it in the article. Otherwise we are speculating, especially when it comes to Gen 6 matters. Mr. Anontalk 13:37, 8 August 2013 (EDT)

I strongly disagree with the "especially when it comes to Gen 6 matters". You're telling me that it's arguable that they won't at least make an appearance as a trophy? Gen VI is going to be out for almost a year before Smash 4 at least. DoctorPain99 17:42, 8 August 2013 (EDT)

Dedenne

Why do you think he isn't a Pokéball Pokémon? It's not a playable character, it's on the Punch Out stage, so it can't be a stage element. What else can it be? 84.26.240.80 14:00, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

Pokemon Trainer = Gen 3, not Gen 1

He uses his FRLG appearance. I think he's Gen 3. (There's a trivia note about it, so) Nutta Butta (talk) 20:59, 13 July 2014 (EDT)

"Most playable Pokémon...". If you're referring to that trivia line, then you've got your answer. PT is not a Pokémon. MegaTron1XD 21:18, 13 July 2014 (EDT)

Trophies in the universe pages; minimizing unnecessary text

Personally, I think having embedded links for individual trophies is a misuse of space. It makes the article bigger than it needs to be. All of the trophies of characters and items in Smash are already elaborated on above. All of the "series related" trophies are just cameos. If people are curious on who these characters and objects are, I left a "Main article" link at the top of the Trophies section for that exact reason. These links don't add anything to the article. Nintendo101 (talk) 19:15, 27 July 2018 (EDT)

Red and Blue

Should it’s first game be called by it’s American or Japanese name? 174.55.24.64 19:50, September 26, 2019 (EDT)

We use the English names for everything, so leave it be. CookiesCreme 21:12, September 26, 2019 (EDT)

First game

What’s so different between Red and Green and Red and Blue other then name change, date change (that’s like saying Earthbound Beginnings and Mother 1 are different games because of the name change) and that Blastoise represents Blue and Venusaur represents Green? 174.55.24.64 22:15, November 18, 2019 (EST)

It's kinda complicated to explain, but the reason why Red and Green aren considered separate games than Red and Blue is because the latter is a mix of all the three Japanese Gen 1 games (excluding Yellow, of course). It has the Pokémon selection of Red and Green, but the graphics and layout changes of Japanese Blue. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 22:29, November 18, 2019 (EST)

To add on, the Blue version released in Japan is the Red and Blue versions released outside of Japan. Red and Green are the original Generation 1 games. CookiesCreme 22:37, November 18, 2019 (EST)

Also EarthBound Beginnings and Mother are considered somewhat different because several maps have a very different layout, all towns have different names, many enemy sprites were changed, and there are a lot more changes too. Also run button. SupαToαd64 23:04, November 18, 2019 (EST)

Simply put, the Japanese Red and Green came first, then the Japanese Blue came out with bug fixes and additions (think like Crystal compared to Gold and Silver), which then was split into the international Red and Blue. For clarity's sake, they're referred to as separate games even though they're very similar. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 23:12, November 18, 2019 (EST)

Generation receptions

Is it really worth having it on this page, when it's not even remotely related to Smash and barely reflective of the community to begin with? - EndGenuity (talk) 14:28, January 25, 2020 (EST)