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I'm going to try and see what happens if we try to change what SmashWikia is (e.g. a parody wiki or a fanon wiki). Then anyone who wants the real info will come here while the other guys can go there. Please comment [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Changing_this_wiki%27s_direction here]. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Undirigible 12:34, 23 March 2011 (EDT) | I'm going to try and see what happens if we try to change what SmashWikia is (e.g. a parody wiki or a fanon wiki). Then anyone who wants the real info will come here while the other guys can go there. Please comment [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Changing_this_wiki%27s_direction here]. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Undirigible 12:34, 23 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
:I think you might need to explain a point to the wikia why we should remain a normal wiki and why they should change to a parody of fanon wiki, chances are they might think that '''we''' should change into the parody or fanon wiki.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy. | :I think you might need to explain a point to the wikia why we should remain a normal wiki and why they should change to a parody of fanon wiki, chances are they might think that '''we''' should change into the parody or fanon wiki.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 12:39, 23 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
::I still say everyone on this Wiki goes there to support turning it into a fanon Wiki. How can the staff refuse us if all overwhelmingly agree to turn it into a fanon Wiki? It's better than leaving things as is, with that Wiki becoming vandal hell and incompetent users trying to take over the Wiki, getting the staff involved. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:12, 23 March 2011 (EDT) | ::I still say everyone on this Wiki goes there to support turning it into a fanon Wiki. How can the staff refuse us if all overwhelmingly agree to turn it into a fanon Wiki? It's better than leaving things as is, with that Wiki becoming vandal hell and incompetent users trying to take over the Wiki, getting the staff involved. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:12, 23 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
:::If we do win, who will change the wikia into a smash fanon wiki? There isn't enough users with enough experience already to stop vandals.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy. | :::If we do win, who will change the wikia into a smash fanon wiki? There isn't enough users with enough experience already to stop vandals.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 17:05, 23 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
::::Uhm, me, Toomai, and Mega will still be there to deal with vandalism. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:07, 23 March 2011 (EDT) | ::::Uhm, me, Toomai, and Mega will still be there to deal with vandalism. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:07, 23 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
:::::The vandalism isn't a problem it's if the wikia decides to change into a smash fanon wiki who will change it?--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy. | :::::The vandalism isn't a problem it's if the wikia decides to change into a smash fanon wiki who will change it?--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 17:11, 23 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
::::::We don't need Wikia to decide for us, we decide ourselves. And we'll be the one to make the switch and get things started. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:19, 23 March 2011 (EDT) | ::::::We don't need Wikia to decide for us, we decide ourselves. And we'll be the one to make the switch and get things started. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:19, 23 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
it's probley the best move--[[User:kyle.b|<span style="color: blue;">'''kyle.b'''</span>]] [[User talk:kyle.b|''<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>'']] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 10:53, 24 March 2011 (EDT) | it's probley the best move--[[User:kyle.b|<span style="color: blue;">'''kyle.b'''</span>]] [[User talk:kyle.b|''<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>'']] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 10:53, 24 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
:Wikia know that we have all moved away. They will not listen to you and will revert any changes you make on changing it to a parody wiki, unless you do them on the sly. Wikia will probably just ban you for trying to "ruin the wiki" or something. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 15:22, 24 March 2011 (EDT) | :Wikia know that we have all moved away. They will not listen to you and will revert any changes you make on changing it to a parody wiki, unless you do them on the sly. Wikia will probably just ban you for trying to "ruin the wiki" or something. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 15:22, 24 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
::Regardless of whether you think it would work or not, mention your support for turning it into a fanon Wiki on the forum there. The larger the consensus appears there, the better. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:00, 24 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
::I'll have to do it as an IP then but I will do. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 17:38, 24 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::Yeah, I was about to say you could use a sock puppet considering your anti Wikia history. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:47, 24 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
[http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Miles.oppenheimer#Main_Page It is very hard to stay civil sometimes]. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 17:53, 24 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Same staff member removed my rights "for abusing my power" and gave me a month block after Slipknot Darkrai apparently reported me for giving him a three day block for removing content. Each time DaNASCAT been asked how I abused my power and to show proof, he has ignored. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:01, 24 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
::I had my admin rights removed by Sannse for joking. We were discussing changing the name for the Wikia Simpsons Wiki to differ from Wikisimpsons and I suggested changing to SimpWiki as that would mean it would be less searched for. I then had no admin rights... ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 18:04, 24 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::I would also like to support in any way I can. However, I do agree with everyone else that is going to be a tough task. All we can do is keep piling the supporters.-[[User:Ivy73|<span style="color:forestgreen">Ivy</span>]][[User talk:Ivy73|<span style="color:blue">73</span>]][[File:002MS.png]] 18:23, 24 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::Go on SmashWikia and mention your support. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:32, 24 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
people are mostly going to smash wikia instead of here, i have not seen one person without an account here--[[User:kyle.b|<span style="color: blue;">'''kyle.b'''</span>]] [[User talk:kyle.b|''<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>'']] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 08:16, 25 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
:One time IPs edit there more often as they're often not aware of the move, but they do edit here as well. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:41, 25 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
I support. Unfortunately, since OT banned me from wikia, i can't post my support. [[User:Zeldasmash|Zeldasmash]] ([[User talk:Zeldasmash|talk]]) 13:24, 25 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Create a sockpuppet or support as an IP. If it passes, I will ask Toomai to remove your block. But removing your block now for you to support would look bad. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:41, 25 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
[http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Miles.oppenheimer#Main_Page So apparently], Wikia can force unwanted ads on all of its wikis without them being allowed to do something, but they are free to veto even a notice that a "competitor" wiki with 99+% of the activity even exists? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:47, 25 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
Apparently. Isn't that the reason why we moved here in the first place? --[[User:Spenstar|Spenstar]] ([[User talk:Spenstar|talk]]) 17:13, 28 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
:The move was due to several factors, though Wikia's oppression and forcing unwanted things upon its Wikis can be cited as the primary reason. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:15, 28 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
I support the change and I support Miles. | |||
I can't believe what daNASCAT is doing. [[User:Doomolish|Doomolish]] ([[User talk:Doomolish|talk]]) 22:40, 3 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Power abusive users from outside the Wiki having more power than the admins and bureaucrats the community chose is a major reason why we left Wikia. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:30, 4 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
how can someone who just showed up have more power than an admin or buerocrat--[[User:kyle.b|<span style="color: blue;">'''kyle.b'''</span>]] [[User talk:kyle.b|''<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>'']] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 10:58, 5 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Because that is the way Wikia works, it doesn't want the communities of their Wikis actually running the Wikis. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:01, 5 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Because he works for Wikia, or at least is studying to be a worker for Wikia. This was one of the issues that started talk of a move in the first place.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 11:13, 5 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
so its pretty much a free for all over there?--[[User:kyle.b|<span style="color: blue;">'''kyle.b'''</span>]] [[User talk:kyle.b|''<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>'']] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 12:14, 5 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Nah, more of a dictator-like situation, and the dictator has lost all his followers.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 12:18, 5 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
gone mad without power--[[User:kyle.b|<span style="color: blue;">'''kyle.b'''</span>]] [[User talk:kyle.b|''<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>'']] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 12:28, 5 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
So does this mean there won't be a fanon wiki after all? --[[User:Spenstar|Spenstar]] ([[User talk:Spenstar|talk]]) 16:56, 5 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Not sure, Wikia won't let go. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:57, 5 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
There is actually a [http://supersmashbrosfanon.wikia.com Super Smash Bros. Fanon wiki on Wikia]. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 19:37, 5 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
great, another setback--[[User:kyle.b|<span style="color: blue;">'''kyle.b'''</span>]] [[User talk:kyle.b|''<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>'']] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 10:56, 6 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
:so what do we do now?--[[User:kyle.b|<span style="color: blue;">'''kyle.b'''</span>]] [[User talk:kyle.b|''<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>'']] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 11:45, 8 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
::Well, I left a long message on DaNASCAT's talk page (I'm My name is Blade btw) in the hopes of changing his way with things. I doubt it will work though but worth a try and worth getting that off my chest. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 04:37, 9 April 2011 (EDT) |
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I'm going to try and see what happens if we try to change what SmashWikia is (e.g. a parody wiki or a fanon wiki). Then anyone who wants the real info will come here while the other guys can go there. Please comment here. Toomai Glittershine The Undirigible 12:34, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
- I think you might need to explain a point to the wikia why we should remain a normal wiki and why they should change to a parody of fanon wiki, chances are they might think that we should change into the parody or fanon wiki.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 12:39, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
- I still say everyone on this Wiki goes there to support turning it into a fanon Wiki. How can the staff refuse us if all overwhelmingly agree to turn it into a fanon Wiki? It's better than leaving things as is, with that Wiki becoming vandal hell and incompetent users trying to take over the Wiki, getting the staff involved. Omega Tyrant 13:12, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
- If we do win, who will change the wikia into a smash fanon wiki? There isn't enough users with enough experience already to stop vandals.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 17:05, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
- Uhm, me, Toomai, and Mega will still be there to deal with vandalism. Omega Tyrant 17:07, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
- The vandalism isn't a problem it's if the wikia decides to change into a smash fanon wiki who will change it?--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 17:11, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
- Uhm, me, Toomai, and Mega will still be there to deal with vandalism. Omega Tyrant 17:07, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
- If we do win, who will change the wikia into a smash fanon wiki? There isn't enough users with enough experience already to stop vandals.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 17:05, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
- I still say everyone on this Wiki goes there to support turning it into a fanon Wiki. How can the staff refuse us if all overwhelmingly agree to turn it into a fanon Wiki? It's better than leaving things as is, with that Wiki becoming vandal hell and incompetent users trying to take over the Wiki, getting the staff involved. Omega Tyrant 13:12, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
it's probley the best move--kyle.b talk 10:53, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
- Wikia know that we have all moved away. They will not listen to you and will revert any changes you make on changing it to a parody wiki, unless you do them on the sly. Wikia will probably just ban you for trying to "ruin the wiki" or something. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 15:22, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
- Regardless of whether you think it would work or not, mention your support for turning it into a fanon Wiki on the forum there. The larger the consensus appears there, the better. Omega Tyrant 17:00, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
- I'll have to do it as an IP then but I will do. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 17:38, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
It is very hard to stay civil sometimes. Miles (talk) 17:53, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
- Same staff member removed my rights "for abusing my power" and gave me a month block after Slipknot Darkrai apparently reported me for giving him a three day block for removing content. Each time DaNASCAT been asked how I abused my power and to show proof, he has ignored. Omega Tyrant 18:01, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
- I had my admin rights removed by Sannse for joking. We were discussing changing the name for the Wikia Simpsons Wiki to differ from Wikisimpsons and I suggested changing to SimpWiki as that would mean it would be less searched for. I then had no admin rights... ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 18:04, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
people are mostly going to smash wikia instead of here, i have not seen one person without an account here--kyle.b talk 08:16, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
- One time IPs edit there more often as they're often not aware of the move, but they do edit here as well. Omega Tyrant 15:41, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
I support. Unfortunately, since OT banned me from wikia, i can't post my support. Zeldasmash (talk) 13:24, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
- Create a sockpuppet or support as an IP. If it passes, I will ask Toomai to remove your block. But removing your block now for you to support would look bad. Omega Tyrant 15:41, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
So apparently, Wikia can force unwanted ads on all of its wikis without them being allowed to do something, but they are free to veto even a notice that a "competitor" wiki with 99+% of the activity even exists? Miles (talk) 13:47, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
Apparently. Isn't that the reason why we moved here in the first place? --Spenstar (talk) 17:13, 28 March 2011 (EDT)
- The move was due to several factors, though Wikia's oppression and forcing unwanted things upon its Wikis can be cited as the primary reason. Omega Tyrant 17:15, 28 March 2011 (EDT)
I support the change and I support Miles. I can't believe what daNASCAT is doing. Doomolish (talk) 22:40, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
- Power abusive users from outside the Wiki having more power than the admins and bureaucrats the community chose is a major reason why we left Wikia. Omega Tyrant 03:30, 4 April 2011 (EDT)
how can someone who just showed up have more power than an admin or buerocrat--kyle.b talk 10:58, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
- Because that is the way Wikia works, it doesn't want the communities of their Wikis actually running the Wikis. Omega Tyrant 11:01, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
- Because he works for Wikia, or at least is studying to be a worker for Wikia. This was one of the issues that started talk of a move in the first place.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 11:13, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
so its pretty much a free for all over there?--kyle.b talk 12:14, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
- Nah, more of a dictator-like situation, and the dictator has lost all his followers.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 12:18, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
gone mad without power--kyle.b talk 12:28, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
So does this mean there won't be a fanon wiki after all? --Spenstar (talk) 16:56, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
There is actually a Super Smash Bros. Fanon wiki on Wikia. SeanWheeler (talk) 19:37, 5 April 2011 (EDT)
great, another setback--kyle.b talk 10:56, 6 April 2011 (EDT)