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Earlier this year, the ''Brawl'' [[Character matchup (SSBB)|matchups]] were removed from the character pages (and the matchup article tagged for deletion), citing the [[Forum: Tier list debate 2020: Part 1|new tier list discussion]]. However, I was under the impression that the ''Brawl'' matchups specifically are fair game for inclusion due to, unlike the ''64'' and ''Melee'' matchups, still being largely agreed to be correct (see also [[Forum:Removing matchups from character pages|this earlier discussion]]). Not to mention that this very subject has [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdVhwqTlDAY recently been given renewed attention]. <span style="font-family:Formata Regular">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 00:59, July 13, 2024 (EDT) | Earlier this year, the ''Brawl'' [[Character matchup (SSBB)|matchups]] were removed from the character pages (and the matchup article tagged for deletion), citing the [[Forum: Tier list debate 2020: Part 1|new tier list discussion]]. However, I was under the impression that the ''Brawl'' matchups specifically are fair game for inclusion due to, unlike the ''64'' and ''Melee'' matchups, still being largely agreed to be correct (see also [[Forum:Removing matchups from character pages|this earlier discussion]]). Not to mention that this very subject has [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdVhwqTlDAY recently been given renewed attention]. <span style="font-family:Formata Regular">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 00:59, July 13, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:As the one who did all the removing, my main issue was consistency: why bother keeping the ''Brawl'' matchup charts when we axed all the other matchup charts on the wiki? It basically gives ''Brawl'' special treatment just because it's no longer relevant enough for a new chart to be created, and keeping it up would lead to confusion as to why other games don't have matchup charts (which people on the Discord have asked about). Not to mention, there still are some pretty glaring flaws with the matchup charts (Pika and MK being even, really?) while the vast majority of them are also blatantly obvious (like who knew a top tier has a good matchup on a low tier) or could be better summarized as why a character's weakness impacts their competitive performance/viability, and with the recent ''Brawl'' resurgence there are bound to be further developments in matchups that will make the table even more inaccurate. I think the main matchup page could stay as an archive, but for reporting them on the character pages, I don't see a reason to do so. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 01:17, July 13, 2024 (EDT) | :As the one who did all the removing, my main issue was consistency: why bother keeping the ''Brawl'' matchup charts when we axed all the other matchup charts on the wiki? It basically gives ''Brawl'' special treatment just because it's no longer relevant enough for a new chart to be created, and keeping it up would lead to confusion as to why other games don't have matchup charts (which people on the Discord have asked about). Not to mention, there still are some pretty glaring flaws with the matchup charts (Pika and MK being even, really?) while the vast majority of them are also blatantly obvious (like who knew a top tier has a good matchup on a low tier) or could be better summarized as why a character's weakness impacts their competitive performance/viability, and with the recent ''Brawl'' resurgence there are bound to be further developments in matchups that will make the table even more inaccurate. I think the main matchup page could stay as an archive, but for reporting them on the character pages, I don't see a reason to do so. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 01:17, July 13, 2024 (EDT) | ||
::Also, in regards to the tier list discussion, there really wasn't much of a consensus on the ''Brawl'' matchup chart outside of a comment made by OT that said they were "defensible enough", and the proposal, whether it went for either of the options, was still going to axe them either way. In fact I was still confused as to why those charts were still up when we had axed all the others, and was also given the go-ahead to remove any matchup charts that remained on the wiki. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 01:25, July 13, 2024 (EDT) | |||
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Earlier this year, the Brawl matchups were removed from the character pages (and the matchup article tagged for deletion), citing the new tier list discussion. However, I was under the impression that the Brawl matchups specifically are fair game for inclusion due to, unlike the 64 and Melee matchups, still being largely agreed to be correct (see also this earlier discussion). Not to mention that this very subject has recently been given renewed attention. RickTommy 00:59, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
- As the one who did all the removing, my main issue was consistency: why bother keeping the Brawl matchup charts when we axed all the other matchup charts on the wiki? It basically gives Brawl special treatment just because it's no longer relevant enough for a new chart to be created, and keeping it up would lead to confusion as to why other games don't have matchup charts (which people on the Discord have asked about). Not to mention, there still are some pretty glaring flaws with the matchup charts (Pika and MK being even, really?) while the vast majority of them are also blatantly obvious (like who knew a top tier has a good matchup on a low tier) or could be better summarized as why a character's weakness impacts their competitive performance/viability, and with the recent Brawl resurgence there are bound to be further developments in matchups that will make the table even more inaccurate. I think the main matchup page could stay as an archive, but for reporting them on the character pages, I don't see a reason to do so. Cookies
Creme 01:17, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
- Also, in regards to the tier list discussion, there really wasn't much of a consensus on the Brawl matchup chart outside of a comment made by OT that said they were "defensible enough", and the proposal, whether it went for either of the options, was still going to axe them either way. In fact I was still confused as to why those charts were still up when we had axed all the others, and was also given the go-ahead to remove any matchup charts that remained on the wiki. CookiesCreme 01:25, July 13, 2024 (EDT)
- Also, in regards to the tier list discussion, there really wasn't much of a consensus on the Brawl matchup chart outside of a comment made by OT that said they were "defensible enough", and the proposal, whether it went for either of the options, was still going to axe them either way. In fact I was still confused as to why those charts were still up when we had axed all the others, and was also given the go-ahead to remove any matchup charts that remained on the wiki. Cookies
