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:Never mind, found one. [[User:WaluigiIsAwesome|WaluigiIsAwesome]] 02:57, August 4, 2007 (EDT)
:Never mind, found one. [[User:WaluigiIsAwesome|WaluigiIsAwesome]] 02:57, August 4, 2007 (EDT)
::That does not prove Shiek is in Brawl. This article SHOULD BE DELETED! Johnknight1, 1:22, 7 Ocotber, 2007 (PCT)
::That does not prove Shiek is in Brawl. This article SHOULD BE DELETED! Johnknight1, 1:22, 7 Ocotber, 2007 (PCT)
geez you 2... johnknight, waluigiisawesome... settle down...take a freezie and cool it... this is Tatanga4Brawl,11/13/07, 20:07
==Delete?==
Anybody wanna explain why the UK version of the DOJO!! characters page proves that Sheik's page here is null and void, whereas Ganondorf's has had the entire Brawl section of the interview added to it? It doesn't make any sense to me -- especially when we have Sheik's alter ego confirmed, but absolutely nothing on Ganondorf other than that interveiw. [[User:Teamrocketspy621|Teamrocketspy621]] 15:36, October 23, 2007 (EDT)
'''Delete''' - Sigh. Obviously. The reason the DOJO character page is cited is to illustrate that the interview is a totally unreliable source for CONFIRMED character appearances and recommend that we all refer to said website for clarification as to what characters will be returning. --<font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''</sup> 15:54, October 23, 2007 (EDT)
'''Delete''' - This is simply worthless speculation. - [[User:Pokemon DP|Pokemon DP]]
:Then the [[Ganondorf (SSBB)]] article should go, too? The only proof we have for him being in Brawl is that same interview. [[User:Teamrocketspy621|Teamrocketspy621]] 15:21, October 24, 2007 (EDT)
::True.--<font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''</sup> 16:33, October 24, 2007 (EDT)
Merged it to the Sheik article instead. [[User:Magiciandude|Magiciandude]] 18:33, November 16, 2007 (EST)
Well since Sheik has been confirmed I think we should keep the Ganondorf page just in case something does happen.
== "Decay" ==
What is it? [[User:Vimescarrot|<font color="darkred">JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot</font>]] 07:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
== NEW FORMAT!! ==
Sheik is now mostly in the new format. [[User:JtM|JtM]] Changed the Pros and Cons into attributes *applause* and I changed the formatting to match [[Meta Knight (SSBB)]], [[Falco Lombardi (SSBB)]], [[Mario (SSBB)]], and Some others. If somebody could find exclusive stickers or Her ledge, Ledge over 100%, and Get-up attack, that would be great. [[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]]) 16:04, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
:i just did her "other" attacks [[User:JtM|JtM =^&#93;]] ([[User talk:JtM|talk]]) 16:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks![[User:Smorekingxg456|Smorekingxg456]] ([[User talk:Smorekingxg456|talk]]) 16:18, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
==Cut?==
Do you think maybe Sheik should b cut when they make a new SSB game? She has only been in 1 Legend of Zelda game so she isnt really a recurring character. Link/Young Link would be a better example of the Down-B change effect. '''[[User:Pikabro|<span style="color:blue"> Pikabro</span>]][[User Talk:Pikabro|<small><sup><span style="color:darkorange">PIKA</span></sup></small>]][[Special:Contributions/Pikabro|<small><sup><span style="color:red">CHU!</span></sup></small>]]''' 07:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
== Weapons ==
Captain Falcons SSBB page says that Sheik has a weapon that she never uses-what weapon? [[User:Paradox Juice|Paradox Juice]] ([[User talk:Paradox Juice|talk]]) 21:12, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
:She's wearing a sword sheath- there is presumably a sword in it, but she doesn't use it.  --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 21:17, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
== [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sheik_%28SSBB%29&curid=10682&diff=265735&oldid=265420 edit] ==
Disagree. Shiek's is shorter than all of the characters listed in that edit summary.  --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 21:35, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I think the editor is confused over whether we're talking about [[On-screen appearance]]s or the amount of time a character is seen in SSE cutscenes. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] <choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose> 21:49, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
==Japanese name==
What is Sheik's Japanese name? --[[User:Smash-jay|Smash-jay]] ([[User talk:Smash-jay|talk]]) 01:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
:シーク <span style="color:#4CBB17">--Posted by</span> [[User:Pikamander2|<span style="color:#007FFF">Pikamander2</span>]] <small>[[User Talk:Pikamander2|<span style="color:#007FFF">(Talk)</span>]]</small> at 02:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
== Dowah? ==
Where are her taunts?
== Shiek's Gender ==
Should we have a section about shiek's gender? If so, here is an article:
Sheik's gender is one of the most controversial subjects within the Zelda fandom, the mere mention of it enough to bring about long and heated debates. Some will vigourously insist Sheik is a female due to being the alter ego of the female Zelda, while others will vehemently insist that the primary purpose of Sheik is not being Zelda, so the latter won't be hunted. Sheik has canonically only appeared in Ocarina of Time. Within that game, Sheik's gender was referred to once, by Princess Ruto, and she referred to Sheik as a "a young man" and "him". The Official Nintendo's Player Guide describes Sheik as "a young man" too and Sheik's art displays a significantly more masculine build than Zelda's. Therefore, it would seem that Sheik within the context of Ocarina of Time at the very least is supposed to be perceived as male, regardless of what "he" may truly be. For that reason, the Zelda Wiki has opted to refer to Sheik as male, because the perception is the only certainty about the character's gender. As to what Sheik's true gender is, the sources are contradictory and what significance a source holds is up to debate. Within the game, Sheik is never unambiguously indicated to be of either gender. "He" may very well be merely a well-done disguise that had Ruto fooled into thinking "he" was a guy. And in that vein, the Official Nintendo's Player Guide is likely written as it is in order to not spoil the revelation of Sheik's true identity to the readers. The stance that Sheik is a male is supported within the Ocarina of Time manga, in which Zelda used magic to become a Sheikah boy to be safe from Ganondorf. Though the manga contradicts the game on various points, Eiji Aonuma has said that "the manga makes up for the game by filling the gaps "precisely"." Alternatively, the Super Smash Bros. series follows the stance that Sheik is female, referring in the trophy descriptions to a "her". While a sub-discussion may exist over whether or not Brawl Sheik counts as evidence, as she is the non-canonical alter ego of the Zelda from Twilight Princess, Melee Sheik is based on the Ocarina of Time version and is also called female. She retains the masculine appearance of her Ocarina of Time self. A sort of third option to the debate is that Sheik originally may have been meant as a male character, but has been recast as a female in recent years to better appease to the market. As the debate proves, the idea of gender as an inherent and vital component of an individual's being is deeply ingrained in the Western mindset. Nintendo has over time made Ocarina of Time less controversial, such as by recoloring Ganon's blood from red to green, removing real-life religious symbols, and for what its worth, writing the ReDead trophy description in Super Smash Bros. Melee to destruct the implication that the ones in the Hyrule Castle Town ruins were some of the previous inhabitants. It may be that Sheik as a secret male alter ego to a well-known female character originated as a creative story element, but that such a character would be difficult to market as a multiple times genderswapping combatant in the Super Smash Bros. series. Also, Nintendo does not have a large cast of noncontroversial, famous female characters, which makes a female Sheik more interesting from a marketing perspective <code>[[User:Mesuxelf|<font color="indianred">Mesprit</font>]], [[User talk:Mesuxelf|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]], [[User:Mesuxelf|<font color="blue">Azelf</font>]].  Mesuxelf</code> 07:19, 5 March 2011 (EST)
:See [[Sheik]]. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 07:39, 5 March 2011 (EST)

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Link? WaluigiIsAwesome 22:42, August 3, 2007 (EDT)

Never mind, found one. WaluigiIsAwesome 02:57, August 4, 2007 (EDT)
That does not prove Shiek is in Brawl. This article SHOULD BE DELETED! Johnknight1, 1:22, 7 Ocotber, 2007 (PCT)

geez you 2... johnknight, waluigiisawesome... settle down...take a freezie and cool it... this is Tatanga4Brawl,11/13/07, 20:07

Delete?[edit]

Anybody wanna explain why the UK version of the DOJO!! characters page proves that Sheik's page here is null and void, whereas Ganondorf's has had the entire Brawl section of the interview added to it? It doesn't make any sense to me -- especially when we have Sheik's alter ego confirmed, but absolutely nothing on Ganondorf other than that interveiw. Teamrocketspy621 15:36, October 23, 2007 (EDT)

Delete - Sigh. Obviously. The reason the DOJO character page is cited is to illustrate that the interview is a totally unreliable source for CONFIRMED character appearances and recommend that we all refer to said website for clarification as to what characters will be returning. --RJM Talk 15:54, October 23, 2007 (EDT)

Delete - This is simply worthless speculation. - Pokemon DP

Then the Ganondorf (SSBB) article should go, too? The only proof we have for him being in Brawl is that same interview. Teamrocketspy621 15:21, October 24, 2007 (EDT)
True.--RJM Talk 16:33, October 24, 2007 (EDT)

Merged it to the Sheik article instead. Magiciandude 18:33, November 16, 2007 (EST)


Well since Sheik has been confirmed I think we should keep the Ganondorf page just in case something does happen.

"Decay"[edit]

What is it? JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 07:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

NEW FORMAT!![edit]

Sheik is now mostly in the new format. JtM Changed the Pros and Cons into attributes *applause* and I changed the formatting to match Meta Knight (SSBB), Falco Lombardi (SSBB), Mario (SSBB), and Some others. If somebody could find exclusive stickers or Her ledge, Ledge over 100%, and Get-up attack, that would be great. Smorekingxg456 (talk) 16:04, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

i just did her "other" attacks JtM =^] (talk) 16:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!Smorekingxg456 (talk) 16:18, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Cut?[edit]

Do you think maybe Sheik should b cut when they make a new SSB game? She has only been in 1 Legend of Zelda game so she isnt really a recurring character. Link/Young Link would be a better example of the Down-B change effect. PikabroPIKACHU! 07:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


Weapons[edit]

Captain Falcons SSBB page says that Sheik has a weapon that she never uses-what weapon? Paradox Juice (talk) 21:12, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

She's wearing a sword sheath- there is presumably a sword in it, but she doesn't use it. --Shadowcrest 21:17, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

edit[edit]

Disagree. Shiek's is shorter than all of the characters listed in that edit summary. --Shadowcrest 21:35, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I think the editor is confused over whether we're talking about On-screen appearances or the amount of time a character is seen in SSE cutscenes. Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy 21:49, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Japanese name[edit]

What is Sheik's Japanese name? --Smash-jay (talk) 01:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

シーク --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 02:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Dowah?[edit]

Where are her taunts?

Shiek's Gender[edit]

Should we have a section about shiek's gender? If so, here is an article: Sheik's gender is one of the most controversial subjects within the Zelda fandom, the mere mention of it enough to bring about long and heated debates. Some will vigourously insist Sheik is a female due to being the alter ego of the female Zelda, while others will vehemently insist that the primary purpose of Sheik is not being Zelda, so the latter won't be hunted. Sheik has canonically only appeared in Ocarina of Time. Within that game, Sheik's gender was referred to once, by Princess Ruto, and she referred to Sheik as a "a young man" and "him". The Official Nintendo's Player Guide describes Sheik as "a young man" too and Sheik's art displays a significantly more masculine build than Zelda's. Therefore, it would seem that Sheik within the context of Ocarina of Time at the very least is supposed to be perceived as male, regardless of what "he" may truly be. For that reason, the Zelda Wiki has opted to refer to Sheik as male, because the perception is the only certainty about the character's gender. As to what Sheik's true gender is, the sources are contradictory and what significance a source holds is up to debate. Within the game, Sheik is never unambiguously indicated to be of either gender. "He" may very well be merely a well-done disguise that had Ruto fooled into thinking "he" was a guy. And in that vein, the Official Nintendo's Player Guide is likely written as it is in order to not spoil the revelation of Sheik's true identity to the readers. The stance that Sheik is a male is supported within the Ocarina of Time manga, in which Zelda used magic to become a Sheikah boy to be safe from Ganondorf. Though the manga contradicts the game on various points, Eiji Aonuma has said that "the manga makes up for the game by filling the gaps "precisely"." Alternatively, the Super Smash Bros. series follows the stance that Sheik is female, referring in the trophy descriptions to a "her". While a sub-discussion may exist over whether or not Brawl Sheik counts as evidence, as she is the non-canonical alter ego of the Zelda from Twilight Princess, Melee Sheik is based on the Ocarina of Time version and is also called female. She retains the masculine appearance of her Ocarina of Time self. A sort of third option to the debate is that Sheik originally may have been meant as a male character, but has been recast as a female in recent years to better appease to the market. As the debate proves, the idea of gender as an inherent and vital component of an individual's being is deeply ingrained in the Western mindset. Nintendo has over time made Ocarina of Time less controversial, such as by recoloring Ganon's blood from red to green, removing real-life religious symbols, and for what its worth, writing the ReDead trophy description in Super Smash Bros. Melee to destruct the implication that the ones in the Hyrule Castle Town ruins were some of the previous inhabitants. It may be that Sheik as a secret male alter ego to a well-known female character originated as a creative story element, but that such a character would be difficult to market as a multiple times genderswapping combatant in the Super Smash Bros. series. Also, Nintendo does not have a large cast of noncontroversial, famous female characters, which makes a female Sheik more interesting from a marketing perspective Mesprit, Uxie, Azelf. Mesuxelf 07:19, 5 March 2011 (EST)

See Sheik. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 07:39, 5 March 2011 (EST)