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{{Proposal}} | {{Proposal|failed|2=Little traction in nearly a year, and also the wrong place; this is material for the Ultimate article's talk page, not something for a formal proposal. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:34, April 18, 2023 (EDT)}} | ||
IIRC the decision to keep the order of fighters and stages in Ultimate in a predetermined order based on the series and several other criteria was made relatively early on in the release of Ultimate. I feel as though now that there has been several years passing since the release, that many people are now used to the in-game order of the fighters, and feel as though there should at least be an option to switch between the two. I'm not sure if that would be possible but I'm aware that other wikis have an option to order lists based on descending/ascending alphabetical order by clicking on the column title, i imagine it would be similar to that if it were to be implemented [[User:Luigi86101|Luigi86101]] ([[User talk:Luigi86101|talk]]) 14:13, May 8, 2022 (EDT) | IIRC the decision to keep the order of fighters and stages in Ultimate in a predetermined order based on the series and several other criteria was made relatively early on in the release of Ultimate. I feel as though now that there has been several years passing since the release, that many people are now used to the in-game order of the fighters, and feel as though there should at least be an option to switch between the two. I'm not sure if that would be possible but I'm aware that other wikis have an option to order lists based on descending/ascending alphabetical order by clicking on the column title, i imagine it would be similar to that if it were to be implemented [[User:Luigi86101|Luigi86101]] ([[User talk:Luigi86101|talk]]) 14:13, May 8, 2022 (EDT) | ||
:I'm not sure how something like that would actually work though. The way the table is formatted kinda makes it impossible to do so from what I know about Wiki formatting. But I agree it's not sensible to have the roster order the way we currently do. I don't know who made that decision, but I certainly wasn't involved in that process. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 14:23, May 8, 2022 (EDT) | :I'm not sure how something like that would actually work though. The way the table is formatted kinda makes it impossible to do so from what I know about Wiki formatting. But I agree it's not sensible to have the roster order the way we currently do. I don't know who made that decision, but I certainly wasn't involved in that process. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 14:23, May 8, 2022 (EDT) | ||
::Looked more into it and it would seem we would need to specify a sorting key for each fighter? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Sorting, so where it says `{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;margin:1em auto 1em auto;"` in the character table template, replace "wikitable" with "wikitable sortable." As for a way to make it sort in non-ascending order, not completely sure but i would we would have to do something with sort types https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Sorting#Forcing_the_sort_mode_for_a_column [[User:Luigi86101|Luigi86101]] ([[User talk:Luigi86101|talk]]) 14:38, May 8, 2022 (EDT) | ::Looked more into it and it would seem we would need to specify a sorting key for each fighter? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Sorting, so where it says `{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;margin:1em auto 1em auto;"` in the character table template, replace "wikitable" with "wikitable sortable." As for a way to make it sort in non-ascending order, not completely sure but i would we would have to do something with sort types https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Sorting#Forcing_the_sort_mode_for_a_column [[User:Luigi86101|Luigi86101]] ([[User talk:Luigi86101|talk]]) 14:38, May 8, 2022 (EDT) | ||
:::For column sorting, you could easily have the default arrangement and then assign sort-keys that are more aligned with the target sort (in this case series, possibly use numbers). Sorting would then do it by series order (or however it is setup), pressing the sort button again would do reverse series order, and once more back to default. As for the grid tables... not without some funky CSS or JS, either of which would need to be done by admins, but it would still be a headache for whomever does it. The "simplest" way I found would require replacing every cell with a <<nowiki/>div> and using JS to sort. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 14:58, May 8, 2022 (EDT) | |||
Wanted to make another reply here to just say again i definitely think now that we should consider straight up removing the series order and sticking with the fighter order at this point, the order we have now is extremely outdated and fighter order makes more sense IMO. As for newcomers, I would say removing the "newcomers" border thing and just having them with the rest of the fighters is better, and instead adding "new" to each new fighter's name so we can have the new echo fighters properly ordered as well. [[User:Luigi86101|Luigi86101]] ([[User talk:Luigi86101|talk]]) 17:47, March 14, 2023 (EDT) | |||
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This is a closed discussion about a failed proposed change on SmashWiki. It remains for archival purposes. The closing administrator adds: "Little traction in nearly a year, and also the wrong place; this is material for the Ultimate article's talk page, not something for a formal proposal. Omega Tyrant  19:34, April 18, 2023 (EDT)"
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IIRC the decision to keep the order of fighters and stages in Ultimate in a predetermined order based on the series and several other criteria was made relatively early on in the release of Ultimate. I feel as though now that there has been several years passing since the release, that many people are now used to the in-game order of the fighters, and feel as though there should at least be an option to switch between the two. I'm not sure if that would be possible but I'm aware that other wikis have an option to order lists based on descending/ascending alphabetical order by clicking on the column title, i imagine it would be similar to that if it were to be implemented Luigi86101 (talk) 14:13, May 8, 2022 (EDT)
- I'm not sure how something like that would actually work though. The way the table is formatted kinda makes it impossible to do so from what I know about Wiki formatting. But I agree it's not sensible to have the roster order the way we currently do. I don't know who made that decision, but I certainly wasn't involved in that process. Alex the Weeb 14:23, May 8, 2022 (EDT)
- Looked more into it and it would seem we would need to specify a sorting key for each fighter? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Sorting, so where it says `{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;margin:1em auto 1em auto;"` in the character table template, replace "wikitable" with "wikitable sortable." As for a way to make it sort in non-ascending order, not completely sure but i would we would have to do something with sort types https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Sorting#Forcing_the_sort_mode_for_a_column Luigi86101 (talk) 14:38, May 8, 2022 (EDT)
- For column sorting, you could easily have the default arrangement and then assign sort-keys that are more aligned with the target sort (in this case series, possibly use numbers). Sorting would then do it by series order (or however it is setup), pressing the sort button again would do reverse series order, and once more back to default. As for the grid tables... not without some funky CSS or JS, either of which would need to be done by admins, but it would still be a headache for whomever does it. The "simplest" way I found would require replacing every cell with a <div> and using JS to sort. --CanvasK (talk) 14:58, May 8, 2022 (EDT)
- Looked more into it and it would seem we would need to specify a sorting key for each fighter? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Sorting, so where it says `{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;margin:1em auto 1em auto;"` in the character table template, replace "wikitable" with "wikitable sortable." As for a way to make it sort in non-ascending order, not completely sure but i would we would have to do something with sort types https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Sorting#Forcing_the_sort_mode_for_a_column Luigi86101 (talk) 14:38, May 8, 2022 (EDT)
Wanted to make another reply here to just say again i definitely think now that we should consider straight up removing the series order and sticking with the fighter order at this point, the order we have now is extremely outdated and fighter order makes more sense IMO. As for newcomers, I would say removing the "newcomers" border thing and just having them with the rest of the fighters is better, and instead adding "new" to each new fighter's name so we can have the new echo fighters properly ordered as well. Luigi86101 (talk) 17:47, March 14, 2023 (EDT)
