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When Simon and his Echo Fighter, Richter, were revealed on August 8, 2018, there was considerable hype for them due to their showcased strengths, including extremely high reach, an array of powerful projectiles, and ledge trapping potential. When the game released in December, some players viewed the Belmonts as a high tier, or potentially a top tier character because of their spacing and zoning ability allowing them to play an effective defensive game. Simon and Richter also were notable counterpicks for certain characters that struggle with range due to their spacing and keep away game. However, their weaknesses were soon discovered to be prominent, with a notoriously poor recovery due to situational recovery moves alongside low air speed, inconsistency in KOing, average frame data, poor mobility and a high skill ceiling. Thus, their results and viability dropped, with some players such as {{Sm|Mew2King}}, {{Sm|ZeRo}}, {{Sm|ESAM}}, and {{Sm|Armada}} relegating them to a mid tier or a low high tier. Simon, in particular, was considerably overshadowed by Richter in terms of tournament representation, though this was due to players' aesthetic preferences rather than any difference between them. However, many players would later drop Richter, and Simon would eventually gather more results from players such as {{Sm|TRIGGER}}, {{Sm|Cherry}}, and {{Sm|PreCookedBread}}. Though Simon has a noticeably better position in the metagame as time progressed, both characters' official tier placement remains unknown.
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===Most historically significant players===
===Most historically significant players===
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''See also: [[:Category:Simon professionals (SSBU)]]; [[:Category:Richter professionals (SSBU)]]''
''See also: [[:Category:Simon players (SSBU)]]; [[:Category:Richter players (SSBU)]]''


''Numbers in parentheses denote a smasher's placement on the [[Fall 2019 PGRU]], which recognizes the top 50 players in the world in [[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]] from July 13th, 2019 to December 15th, 2019.''
*{{Sm|Noxumbra|c1=Richter|g=SSBU|France}} - The best Belmont player in Europe. His 4th place at {{Trn|Ultimate WANTED 3}} is considered one of the best tournament runs of the character, defeating some of Europe's best players at that time including {{Sm|eMass}} and {{Sm|Homika}}. He has seen moderate success since then, including placing 5th at {{Trn|RCADIA SMASH 2}} and 25th at {{Trn|Ultimate WANTED 4}}.
*{{Sm|Riddles|c1=Richter|g=SSBU|Canada}} - Although more widely known today for being the best {{SSBU|Terry}} and {{SSBU|Kazuya}} player of all-time, Riddles was first known for his Richter, playing the character until around September 2019, and was considered the best Richter player in the early metagame. With Richter, he is best known for placing 13th at {{Trn|Super Smash Con 2019}} where he eliminated {{Sm|Dabuz}}. This performance alongside his 13th-place finish at {{Trn|Get On My Level 2019}} is tied for the best major placement for a Belmont player. He was eventually ranked 47th on the [[Fall 2019 PGRU]]; although primarily ranked with Terry, it remains the only time a Belmont main was ranked in the top 50.
*{{Sm|T3 DOM|c1=Richter|g=SSBU|USA}} - The best Belmont player in the world since Riddles dropped them and the only other Belmont player with comparable results to Riddles, having placed 13th at {{Trn|Glitch - Infinite}}, tied for the best major placement for a Belmont player; and 17th at {{Trn|Double Down 2022}}, in addition to defeating {{Sm|Dabuz}} at {{Trn|Smash Ultimate Summit 5}}. He is the only other Belmont player ranked globally, ranking 60th on the [[UltRank 2022]].
*{{Sm|TRIGGER|c1=Simon|g=SSBU|Japan}} - The best Belmont player in Japan and one of the longest-active players who uses Simon instead of Richter. He was first known for defeating {{Sm|T}} to place 33rd at {{Trn|EVO Japan 2020}}, and has since placed around the same at several other majors such as 33rd at both {{Trn|Kagaribi 5}} and {{Trn|Umebura SP 10}}, defeating {{Sm|alice}} and {{Sm|Ryuoh}} in the latter event. At smaller events, he has notably placed 5th at {{Trn|DELTA 3}} over {{Sm|Noi}} and defeated {{Sm|KEN}} at [https://www.start.gg/tournament/winner-10/details WINNER! 10].
*{{Sm|YoseFu|c1=Simon|g=SSBU|USA}} - The best Belmont player in North America who uses Simon over Richter, with some of the best offline wins out of all the Belmont players, defeating {{Sm|KEN}} to place 25th at {{Trn|Mainstage 2022}} and {{Sm|MuteAce}} to place 9th at {{Trn|CEO 2023}}. In addition, he was the most active Belmont player during the online metagame, having placing 7th at the S-tier {{Trn|Rev It Up: 2020 Series}}.


*{{Sm|Asotil|USA|c1=Richter|g=SSBU}} - Placed 3rd at {{Trn|Ascension IX}},{{Trn|Ascension VII}} and {{Trn|Ascension 2020: Back to Basics}}, 5th at {{Trn|Ascension VIII}}, and 9th at {{Trn|Ascension II}} with wins over players such as {{Sm|Prodigy}}, {{Sm|BassMage}}, and {{Sm|Widget}}. Currently ranked 4th on the [[Arizona Power Rankings]].
===Tier placement and history===
*{{Sm|Frosty|USA|c1=Richter|g=SSBU}} - Placed 5th at {{Trn|Retro Arena 64}}, 9th at {{Trn|Frosty Faustings XII 2020}}, and 13th at {{trn|Midwest Arena}} with wins over {{Sm|Maister}}, {{Sm|MuteAce}}, and {{Sm|Ravenking}}. Currently ranked 5th on the [[Chicago Power Rankings#Super Smash Bros. Ultimate|Chicago Ultimate Power Rankings]].
When the game was released in December 2018, Simon and Richter attracted interest due to their unique attributes, including extremely long reach, an array of powerful projectiles, and ledge trapping potential; many players initially viewed the Belmonts as a high tier, or potentially a top tier character because of their spacing and zoning ability allowing them to play an effective defensive game. Simon and Richter were also notable counterpicks against certain characters, such as {{SSBU|Olimar}}, that struggled with their range and keep away game. During the early stages of the metagame, the Belmonts were relatively popular characters, with {{Sm|Riddles}} being their highest level representative. However, their weaknesses were soon discovered to be perhaps too significant to overcome, most notably a notoriously poor recovery due to short-distance recovery moves with mediocre protection that left them severely vulnerable to [[gimp]]ing, but they also suffered from significant KOing inconsistency, mediocre frame data, vast difficulty in hitting agile small characters with their attacks predominantly having thin hitboxes, and very poor all-around mobility. Thus, most of their playerbase, including Riddles, eventually dropped them for other characters and their results fell off as a result. Because of this, the consensus about the Belmonts shifted, with most players viewing them as mid tier or low tier characters.
*{{Sm|Greil|France|c1=Richter|g=SSBU}} - Co-mains Richter with {{SSBU|Wolf}}. Placed 2nd at {{Trn|Massilia Winter Smash 2020}}, 4th at {{Trn|Syndicate 2019}}, 7th at {{Trn|BURST 4}}, and 49th at {{Trn|Albion 4}} using Richter with wins over {{Sm|Meru}}, {{Sm|Flow}}, and {{Sm|Light|p=Germany}}. Currently ranked 24th on the [[European Smash Rankings]].
 
*{{Sm|Riddles|c1=Richter|g=SSBU|Canada}} (#47) - The best Richter player in the world before switching to {{SSBU|Joker}}. Placed 9th at {{Trn|Saints Gaming Live 2019}} and 13th at both {{trn|Get On My Level 2019}} and {{trn|Super Smash Con 2019}} ith wins over players like  sets off of {{Sm|Dabuz}}, {{Sm|Jw}}, and {{Sm|Scend}}.  
During and after the [[COVID-19]] pandemic, the Belmont playerbase experienced a small resurgence, with players such as {{Sm|T3 DOM}}, {{Sm|Noxumbra}} and {{Sm|TRIGGER}} rising to prominence with decent results both online and offline. The Belmonts have also received buffs in [[List of updates (SSBU)/9.0.0 changelog#Simon|update 9.0.0]]. However, these buffs made little to no impact in fixing the main weaknesses of the characters, ultimately leaving them placing 68th on the first tier list and falling to 74th on the second and current tier list. <noinclude>[[Category:Templates]]</noinclude>
*{{Sm|T3 DOM|USA|c1=Richter|g=SSBU}} - Considered the best Richter player in the world. Placed 7th at both {{Trn|2GG: SoCal Chronicles 2020}} and {{Trn|2GG: All In}}, 33rd at both {{Trn|2GG: SwitchFest 2019}} and {{Trn|2GG: Kongo Saga}}, and 49th at {{Trn|Shine 2019}} wins over players such as {{Sm|Elegant}},{{Sm|MastaMario}}, and {{Sm|MuteAce}}. Currently ranked 13th on the [[SoCal Power Rankings#Super Smash Bros. Ultimate rankings|SoCal Ultimate Power Rankings]].
*{{Sm|TRIGGER|c1=Simon|g=SSBU|Japan}} - The best Simon player in Japan. Placed 5th at {{Trn|Karisuma SP 8}}, 9th at {{Trn|TSC 11}} and 33rd at both {{Trn|Umebura SP 5}} and {{Trn|EVO Japan 2020}}. Has a win over {{Sm|Brave|p=Japan}}, {{Sm|Hikari}}, and {{Sm|T}}.
*{{Sm|YoseFu|c1=Simon|g=SSBU|USA}} - Placed 5th at {{Trn|Kumite in Tennessee 2020}} and 49th at {{Trn|DreamHack Atlanta 2019}} with wins over {{Sm|Dietsoda}} and {{Sm|Makibaz}}. Currently ranked 3rd on the [[Tennessee Power Rankings]]. Online placed 3rd at {{Trn|GOML North American Open: South USA}}, 13th at {{Trn|Super Smash Galaxy}}, and 17th at {{Trn|SWT: NA Southeast Ultimate Online Qualifier}}.

Latest revision as of 16:16, October 21, 2024

Use this template to store information relevant to the metagame of Simon and Richter in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.



Most historically significant players

See also: Category:Simon players (SSBU); Category:Richter players (SSBU)

  • France Noxumbra Richter (SSBU) - The best Belmont player in Europe. His 4th place at Ultimate WANTED 3 is considered one of the best tournament runs of the character, defeating some of Europe's best players at that time including eMass and Homika. He has seen moderate success since then, including placing 5th at RCADIA SMASH 2 and 25th at Ultimate WANTED 4.
  • Canada Riddles Richter (SSBU) - Although more widely known today for being the best Terry and Kazuya player of all-time, Riddles was first known for his Richter, playing the character until around September 2019, and was considered the best Richter player in the early metagame. With Richter, he is best known for placing 13th at Super Smash Con 2019 where he eliminated Dabuz. This performance alongside his 13th-place finish at Get On My Level 2019 is tied for the best major placement for a Belmont player. He was eventually ranked 47th on the Fall 2019 PGRU; although primarily ranked with Terry, it remains the only time a Belmont main was ranked in the top 50.
  • USA T3 DOM Richter (SSBU) - The best Belmont player in the world since Riddles dropped them and the only other Belmont player with comparable results to Riddles, having placed 13th at Glitch - Infinite, tied for the best major placement for a Belmont player; and 17th at Double Down 2022, in addition to defeating Dabuz at Smash Ultimate Summit 5. He is the only other Belmont player ranked globally, ranking 60th on the UltRank 2022.
  • Japan TRIGGER Simon (SSBU) - The best Belmont player in Japan and one of the longest-active players who uses Simon instead of Richter. He was first known for defeating T to place 33rd at EVO Japan 2020, and has since placed around the same at several other majors such as 33rd at both Kagaribi 5 and Umebura SP 10, defeating alice and Ryuoh in the latter event. At smaller events, he has notably placed 5th at DELTA 3 over Noi and defeated KEN at WINNER! 10.
  • USA YoseFu Simon (SSBU) - The best Belmont player in North America who uses Simon over Richter, with some of the best offline wins out of all the Belmont players, defeating KEN to place 25th at Mainstage 2022 and MuteAce to place 9th at CEO 2023. In addition, he was the most active Belmont player during the online metagame, having placing 7th at the S-tier Rev It Up: 2020 Series.

Tier placement and history

When the game was released in December 2018, Simon and Richter attracted interest due to their unique attributes, including extremely long reach, an array of powerful projectiles, and ledge trapping potential; many players initially viewed the Belmonts as a high tier, or potentially a top tier character because of their spacing and zoning ability allowing them to play an effective defensive game. Simon and Richter were also notable counterpicks against certain characters, such as Olimar, that struggled with their range and keep away game. During the early stages of the metagame, the Belmonts were relatively popular characters, with Riddles being their highest level representative. However, their weaknesses were soon discovered to be perhaps too significant to overcome, most notably a notoriously poor recovery due to short-distance recovery moves with mediocre protection that left them severely vulnerable to gimping, but they also suffered from significant KOing inconsistency, mediocre frame data, vast difficulty in hitting agile small characters with their attacks predominantly having thin hitboxes, and very poor all-around mobility. Thus, most of their playerbase, including Riddles, eventually dropped them for other characters and their results fell off as a result. Because of this, the consensus about the Belmonts shifted, with most players viewing them as mid tier or low tier characters.

During and after the COVID-19 pandemic, the Belmont playerbase experienced a small resurgence, with players such as T3 DOM, Noxumbra and TRIGGER rising to prominence with decent results both online and offline. The Belmonts have also received buffs in update 9.0.0. However, these buffs made little to no impact in fixing the main weaknesses of the characters, ultimately leaving them placing 68th on the first tier list and falling to 74th on the second and current tier list.