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==Overview== | ==Overview== | ||
When Little Mac uses Slip Counter, he will move his body backwards and cover his face with his hands in a defensive pose. The move will do nothing if Little Mac is not attacked, but if an opponent attacks him, Little Mac acts like he was hit before retaliating with a punch to catch the opponent off guard, while a representation of a heartbeat appears above him | When Little Mac uses Slip Counter, he will move his body backwards and cover his face with his hands in a defensive pose. The move will do nothing if Little Mac is not attacked, but if an opponent attacks him, Little Mac acts like he was hit before retaliating with a punch to catch the opponent off guard, while a representation of a heartbeat appears above him. | ||
During the counterattack, Little Mac takes a big step forward both if on the ground or in the air, which can be life-saving due to Little Mac's sub-par recoveries; countering an opponent's attempted [[gimp]] is therefore a risky yet beneficial tactic to extend Little Mac's recovery potential. However, this can be detrimental if the opponent attacks him in the opposite direction away from the stage, as Little Mac will rocket even further away from the stage, unable to recover. | During the counterattack, Little Mac takes a big step forward both if on the ground or in the air, which can be life-saving due to Little Mac's sub-par recoveries; countering an opponent's attempted [[gimp]] is therefore a risky yet beneficial tactic to extend Little Mac's recovery potential. However, this can be detrimental if the opponent attacks him in the opposite direction away from the stage, as Little Mac will rocket even further away from the stage, unable to recover. | ||
If Slip Counter successfully counters an attack, it reflects 1.3x the damage of the countered move to the attacker, with a minimum of 10%. Slip Counter is tied for the fastest counter in the game (with [[Double Team]] and [[Witch Time]]), beginning at frame 5, but it is slightly weaker in terms of knockback compared to other counters that also reflect damage, not [[OHKO]]ing until it counters an attack that deals 38.5% or more damage, causing the counterattack to deal the 50% damage cap. | If Slip Counter successfully counters an attack, it reflects 1.3x (1.5x as of ''Ultimate'' patch 13.0.0) the damage of the countered move to the attacker, with a minimum of 10%. Slip Counter is tied for the fastest counter in the game (with [[Double Team]] and [[Witch Time]]), beginning at frame 5, but it is slightly weaker in terms of knockback compared to other counters that also reflect damage, not [[OHKO]]ing until it counters an attack that deals 38.5% or more damage, causing the counterattack to deal the 50% damage cap. | ||
Unlike Little Mac's other special moves, Slip Counter doesn't have a unique 8-bit sound if he is using a Wireframe [[alternate costume]]; in fact, the move makes even less noise since it removes Little Mac's voice line during the counterattack. | Unlike Little Mac's other special moves, Slip Counter doesn't have a unique 8-bit sound if he is using a Wireframe [[alternate costume]]; in fact, the move makes even less noise since it removes Little Mac's voice line during the counterattack. | ||
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[[Giga Mac|Giga Mac's]] version of Slip Counter also uses a 1.3x damage multiplier, and it deals a minimum of 30% damage. However, the damage cap is still 50%, and the counterattack's knockback is exactly the same as that of Little Mac's Slip Counter. | [[Giga Mac|Giga Mac's]] version of Slip Counter also uses a 1.3x damage multiplier, and it deals a minimum of 30% damage. However, the damage cap is still 50%, and the counterattack's knockback is exactly the same as that of Little Mac's Slip Counter. | ||
=== | ===Glitches=== | ||
In ''Ultimate'', there is a glitch with Little Mac's counter which occurs when attempting to counter a move with a 0x [[hitlag]] multiplier. When doing so, the counterattack will inherit the 0x hitlag multiplier for the opponent, but not for Little Mac. The opponent's [[ | In ''Ultimate'', there is a glitch with Little Mac's counter which occurs when attempting to counter a move with a 0x [[hitlag]] multiplier. When doing so, the counterattack will inherit the 0x hitlag multiplier for the opponent, but not for Little Mac. The opponent's [[hitstun]] animation will also be frozen, and they can cancel hitstun with any action much earlier than usual, with a similar effect to [[momentum canceling]] from ''Brawl''. Notably, {{SSBU|Terry}}'s [[Buster Wolf]] will trigger the glitch, and he can perform a full momentum cancel by quickly activating [[Power Dunk]] when launched. However, should the attacker get the [[reeling]] animation, they will be unable to cancel the hitstun early. | ||
Another glitch in ''Ultimate'' involves certain special moves triggering the move when the [[gameplay speed]] is changed, such as via [[Training Mode]]. This will cause these specials to behave in strange ways, for example {{SSBU|Ike}} will not leave the ground and his sword will desync from him when using [[Aether]], and {{SSBU|Mii Swordfighter}} will jump up faster and reach a greater height when using [[Stone Scabbard]]. Some special moves are only affected when used on the ground, while others are always affected. The affected special moves include [[Final Cutter]], [[Soaring Slash]], Aether, [[Prominence Revolt]], [[Ray of Punishment / Chroma Dust]], [[Drill Rush]], [[Burning Knuckle]], [[Power Dunk]], [[Devil Wings]], [[Soaring Axe Kick]], [[Feint Jump]] (footstool), and Stone Scabbard. | |||
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Apart from Mac's use of this strategy, the use of a full crouch stance before throwing a punch is also used by Glass Joe in Title Defense mode in the Wii version of ''Punch-Out!!'', where he delays his hook by assuming a similar stance before throwing it. The concept of countering is also used by Don Flamenco as his overall fighting technique, who will not attack until Mac throws a punch of his own, and then dodge or block before throwing a slightly over-the-top punch himself. Aran Ryan's fight has a similar concept, but in reverse; Little Mac must anticipate and counter Ryan's punches in order to deal any significant damage. | Apart from Mac's use of this strategy, the use of a full crouch stance before throwing a punch is also used by Glass Joe in Title Defense mode in the Wii version of ''Punch-Out!!'', where he delays his hook by assuming a similar stance before throwing it. The concept of countering is also used by Don Flamenco as his overall fighting technique, who will not attack until Mac throws a punch of his own, and then dodge or block before throwing a slightly over-the-top punch himself. Aran Ryan's fight has a similar concept, but in reverse; Little Mac must anticipate and counter Ryan's punches in order to deal any significant damage. | ||
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Slipping and countering is a real strategy in boxing. It involves pivoting to move the head and body out of the way of an opponent's punch, which is known as slipping, then using that momentum to rush inward and deal a counterattack. This strategy is particularly useful for boxers with a height disadvantage, as they do not have to go as low as they need to otherwise to slip an attack. | |||
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==Gallery== | ==Gallery== | ||
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==Trivia== | ==Trivia== | ||
*In the demo version of '' | *In the demo version of ''Ultimate'', Slip Counter's counterattack is completely silent, and Little Mac does not vocalize upon countering. | ||
*If the [[Shadow]] [[Assist Trophy]] freezes Little Mac while performing Slip Counter, the counter hitbox will remain active and trigger if hit. Little Mac will not attack until being unfrozen, but will remain [[intangible]] in the mean time. | |||
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Latest revision as of 21:22, March 26, 2024
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 Slip Counter in Super Smash Bros Ultimate. | |
| User | Little Mac |
| Universe | Punch-Out!! |
Slip Counter (スリッピングカウンター, Slipping Counter) is Little Mac's down special move. As the name would imply, it is a counterattack move.
Overview[edit]
When Little Mac uses Slip Counter, he will move his body backwards and cover his face with his hands in a defensive pose. The move will do nothing if Little Mac is not attacked, but if an opponent attacks him, Little Mac acts like he was hit before retaliating with a punch to catch the opponent off guard, while a representation of a heartbeat appears above him.
During the counterattack, Little Mac takes a big step forward both if on the ground or in the air, which can be life-saving due to Little Mac's sub-par recoveries; countering an opponent's attempted gimp is therefore a risky yet beneficial tactic to extend Little Mac's recovery potential. However, this can be detrimental if the opponent attacks him in the opposite direction away from the stage, as Little Mac will rocket even further away from the stage, unable to recover.
If Slip Counter successfully counters an attack, it reflects 1.3x (1.5x as of Ultimate patch 13.0.0) the damage of the countered move to the attacker, with a minimum of 10%. Slip Counter is tied for the fastest counter in the game (with Double Team and Witch Time), beginning at frame 5, but it is slightly weaker in terms of knockback compared to other counters that also reflect damage, not OHKOing until it counters an attack that deals 38.5% or more damage, causing the counterattack to deal the 50% damage cap.
Unlike Little Mac's other special moves, Slip Counter doesn't have a unique 8-bit sound if he is using a Wireframe alternate costume; in fact, the move makes even less noise since it removes Little Mac's voice line during the counterattack.
Giga Mac's version of Slip Counter also uses a 1.3x damage multiplier, and it deals a minimum of 30% damage. However, the damage cap is still 50%, and the counterattack's knockback is exactly the same as that of Little Mac's Slip Counter.
Glitches[edit]
In Ultimate, there is a glitch with Little Mac's counter which occurs when attempting to counter a move with a 0x hitlag multiplier. When doing so, the counterattack will inherit the 0x hitlag multiplier for the opponent, but not for Little Mac. The opponent's hitstun animation will also be frozen, and they can cancel hitstun with any action much earlier than usual, with a similar effect to momentum canceling from Brawl. Notably, Terry's Buster Wolf will trigger the glitch, and he can perform a full momentum cancel by quickly activating Power Dunk when launched. However, should the attacker get the reeling animation, they will be unable to cancel the hitstun early.
Another glitch in Ultimate involves certain special moves triggering the move when the gameplay speed is changed, such as via Training Mode. This will cause these specials to behave in strange ways, for example Ike will not leave the ground and his sword will desync from him when using Aether, and Mii Swordfighter will jump up faster and reach a greater height when using Stone Scabbard. Some special moves are only affected when used on the ground, while others are always affected. The affected special moves include Final Cutter, Soaring Slash, Aether, Prominence Revolt, Ray of Punishment / Chroma Dust, Drill Rush, Burning Knuckle, Power Dunk, Devil Wings, Soaring Axe Kick, Feint Jump (footstool), and Stone Scabbard.
Instructional quotes[edit]
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Pretend to take a hit, and then counter with an uppercut. |
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Waits for his opponent to attack, and then counters with an uppercut. |
Customization[edit]
Special Move customization was added in Super Smash Bros. 4. These are the variations:
| 1. Slip Counter | 2. Compact Counter | 3. Dash Counter |
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| "Wait for your opponent to attack, and then counter with an uppercut." | "A weaker counterattack that doesn't knock foes very far, allowing for easy follow-up combos." | "The counter window is shorter, but you dash forward to strike, making it useful at range." |
- Slip Counter: Default.
- Compact Counter: Reduced knockback capabilities, making it almost impossible to KO with the counterattack. In exchange, the counterattack has greatly reduced start up and an increase in speed, which when combined with the greatly lowered knockback allows for better follow-up options.
- Dash Counter: Dash forward upon countering, but can't hit opponents directly in front. The counterattack can be used as a much better form of recovery compared to the standard Slip Counter.
Origin[edit]
Countering opponents is one of the most important aspects of not only the Punch-Out!! games, but boxing in general. Little Mac's strategy to defeat most of his foes throughout the games was by dodging their attacks, or by feinting his own attack, and then following up with a series of punches while they are off guard. Countering an opponent's punch before they throw it will earn Mac a star to use for his Star Punch attack or gives Mac a bigger window to unleash an attack. In the Wii installment, countering with a star punch can OHKO opponents.
Apart from Mac's use of this strategy, the use of a full crouch stance before throwing a punch is also used by Glass Joe in Title Defense mode in the Wii version of Punch-Out!!, where he delays his hook by assuming a similar stance before throwing it. The concept of countering is also used by Don Flamenco as his overall fighting technique, who will not attack until Mac throws a punch of his own, and then dodge or block before throwing a slightly over-the-top punch himself. Aran Ryan's fight has a similar concept, but in reverse; Little Mac must anticipate and counter Ryan's punches in order to deal any significant damage.
Slipping and countering is a real strategy in boxing. It involves pivoting to move the head and body out of the way of an opponent's punch, which is known as slipping, then using that momentum to rush inward and deal a counterattack. This strategy is particularly useful for boxers with a height disadvantage, as they do not have to go as low as they need to otherwise to slip an attack.
Gallery[edit]
Slip Counter in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U.
Names in other languages[edit]
| Language | Name |
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 Japanese |
スリッピングカウンター, Slipping Counter |
 English |
Slip Counter |
 French (PAL) |
Esquive & contre |
 French (NTSC) |
Contre-attaque |
 German |
Ausweichkonter |
 Spanish |
Guardia |
 Italian |
Schivata e contrattacco |
 Chinese (Simplified) |
滑步反击 |
 Chinese (Traditional) |
滑步反擊 |
 Korean |
슬립 카운터, Slip Counter |
 Dutch |
Ontwijkcounter |
 Russian |
Скользящий контрудар |
Trivia[edit]
- In the demo version of Ultimate, Slip Counter's counterattack is completely silent, and Little Mac does not vocalize upon countering.
- If the Shadow Assist Trophy freezes Little Mac while performing Slip Counter, the counter hitbox will remain active and trigger if hit. Little Mac will not attack until being unfrozen, but will remain intangible in the mean time.
