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{{disambig2|the hitbox visualization in ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl''|the move itself|Reflector (Fox)}}
[[File:FoxReflectorStartSSBB.gif|thumb|300px|Hitbox visualization showing the beginning Fox's Reflector.]]
[[File:FoxReflectorSSBB.gif|thumb|300px|Hitbox visualization showing Fox's Reflector.]]
==Overview==
==Overview==
[[File:Fox Reflector.jpg|thumb|Fox using his Reflector.]]
Fox's '''[[Reflector (Fox)|Reflector]]''', known informally as a '''shine''', can reflect projectiles that are fired on Fox back at the opponent. Fox can also use the reflector as a direct attack, knocking opponents on a [[semi-spike]] trajectory with low knockback.  
Fox's '''[[Reflector (Fox)|Reflector]]''', known informally as a '''shine''', can reflect projectiles that are fired on Fox back at the opponent. Fox can also use the reflector as a direct attack, knocking opponents on a [[semi-spike]] trajectory with low knockback.  


The move was regarded as the best move in all of ''Melee'' due to it being an incredibly versatile attack for many reasons being usable in almost any situation. As a result, the move was significantly nerfed. The move can no longer be [[jump cancel]]ed which removes much of its followup potential. The move suffers from the general changes to ''Brawl''{{'}}s mechanics but unlike most moves which suffer either from the introduction of [[hitstun canceling]], the universally decreased falling speeds or both, Reflector's main downfall was the removal of [[wavedashing]]. The main thing which made Shine as amazing as it was in ''Melee'' was Fox's ability to wavedash which allowed him to quickly get back on the ground and perform another Shine which gave the move amazing shield pressure potential and even the potential to [[infinite]] a majority of the cast. Naturally, the removal of wavedashing alone harms the move's utility. Even if the move were hypothetically jump cancelable in ''Brawl'', it would still be a significantly less oppressive move as Fox would not be able to get back on the ground anywhere near as quickly to perform another Shine. The move also saw some other more direct nerfs. It has increased startup lag (now coming out on frame 3 rather than frame 1), it deals slightly less damage on aerial opponents and it launches opponents at a slightly higher angle which hinders the move in multiple ways. It makes the move less effective as an edgeguarding tool, it makes [[SDI]]ing the move easier especially with its higher hitlag and it prevents the move from [[lock]]ing opponents which it otherwise would have gained the ability to do.  
The move was regarded as the best move in all of ''Melee'' due to it being an incredibly versatile attack for many reasons being usable in almost any situation. As a result, the move was significantly nerfed. The move can no longer be [[jump cancel]]ed which removes much of its followup potential. The move suffers from the general changes to ''Brawl''{{'}}s mechanics but unlike most moves which suffer either from the introduction of [[hitstun canceling]], the universally decreased falling speeds or both, Reflector's main downfall was the removal of [[wavedashing]]. The main thing which made the shine as amazing as it was in ''Melee'' was Fox's ability to wavedash which allowed him to quickly get back on the ground and perform another Shine which gave the move amazing shield pressure potential and even the potential to [[infinite]] a majority of the cast. Naturally, the removal of wavedashing alone harms the move's utility. Even if the move were hypothetically jump cancelable in ''Brawl'', it would still be a significantly less oppressive move as Fox would not be able to get back on the ground anywhere near as quickly to perform another Shine. The move also saw some other more direct nerfs. It has increased startup lag (now coming out on frame 3 rather than frame 1), it deals slightly less damage on aerial opponents and it launches opponents at a slightly higher angle which hinders the move in multiple ways. It makes the move less effective as an edgeguarding tool, it makes [[SDI]]ing the move easier especially with its higher hitlag and it prevents the move from [[lock]]ing opponents which it otherwise would have gained the ability to do.  


Despite these nerfs, Reflector has actually seen some buffs which still make it a useful move. The move's hitbox has a slightly longer duration and its intangibility has increased making it more effective at breaking out of combos despite its increased startup lag. If Fox does not hold the move, it also has considerably lower ending lag. On the ground, this allows the move to have at least some followup potential particularly at the wall where the move still has [[0-death]] potential (although this can be avoided with SDI) and in the air, this gives the move extremely strong stalling capabilities. The move no longer has set knockback instead have high base knockback but low knockback scaling. This prevents the move from knocking down lighter characters at lower percents removing one of the few limitations it had in ''Melee'' (although this also means that it now knocks down heavier characters at higher percents) and it make shine spikes more effective at higher percents. Fox can also now [[roll]] or [[spot dodge]] if he reflects a projectile.  
Despite these nerfs, Reflector has actually seen some buffs which still make it a useful move. The move's hitbox has a slightly longer duration and its intangibility has increased making it more effective at breaking out of combos despite its increased startup lag. If Fox does not hold the move, it also has considerably lower ending lag. On the ground, this allows the move to have at least some followup potential particularly at the wall where the move still has [[0-death]] potential (although this can be avoided with SDI) and in the air, this gives the move extremely strong stalling capabilities. The move no longer has set knockback instead have high base knockback but low knockback scaling. This prevents the move from knocking down lighter characters at lower percents removing one of the few limitations it had in ''Melee'' (although this also means that it now knocks down heavier characters at higher percents) and it make shine spikes more effective at higher percents. Fox can also now [[roll]] or [[spot dodge]] if he reflects a projectile.  


Overall while being a farcry from its ''Melee'' counterpart, Reflector is still a useful move in its own right
Overall while being a farcry from its ''Melee'' counterpart, Reflector is still a useful move in its own right.


==Hitboxes==
==Hitboxes==
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!Hitbox
!Hitbox
|3
|3
|-
!Reflects
|2-3
|-
|-
!Animation length
!Animation length
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|-
|-
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=1}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=18}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=1}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=18}}
|-
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=1}}{{FrameStrip|t=Reflect|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=18}}
|-
|-
{{FrameStrip|t=Intangible|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=18}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Intangible|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=18}}
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|-
|-
!Reflects
!Reflects
|2-[release+1]
|4-[release+1]
|-
|-
!Turnaround possible
!Turnaround possible
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{{FrameStripStart}}
{{FrameStripStart}}
|-
|-
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=1|e=LagLoopS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=28|s=VulnerableLoopE|e=VulnerableLoopS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=18}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=1|e=HitboxLoopS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Reflect|c=28|s=ReflectLoopE|e=ReflectLoopS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=18|s=LagLoopE}}
|-
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=1}}{{FrameStrip|t=Reflect|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Reflect|c=28|s=ReflectLoopE|e=ReflectLoopS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=18|s=LagLoopE}}
|-
|-
{{FrameStrip|t=Intangible|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=28|s=VulnerableLoopE|e=VulnerableLoopS}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Intangible|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=28|e=VulnerableLoopS}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=18|s=VulnerableLoopE}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=18|s=VulnerableLoopE}}
{{FrameStripEnd}}
{{FrameStripEnd}}
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==Properties==
==Properties==
{{technical data}}
{|class="wikitable"
{|class="wikitable"
|-
|-
!Reflection radius
!Reflection radius
|8.5
|8.5
|-
!Reflection y position
|6.5
|-
|-
!Reflection damage
!Reflection damage
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!Reflection speed
!Reflection speed
|1.0x
|1.0x
|-
!Reflection duration
|0.5x
|-
|-
!Max reflectable damage
!Max reflectable damage
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|20
|20
|}
|}
==Trivia==
*According to Fox's moveset files, Reflector was intended to have a cooldown of 18 frames before it can be canceled, but it gets entirely skipped for unknown reasons. This is shared with Wolf's Reflector.


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Latest revision as of 22:40, May 27, 2024

This article is about the hitbox visualization in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. For the move itself, see Reflector (Fox).
Hitbox visualization showing the beginning Fox's Reflector.
Hitbox visualization showing Fox's Reflector.

Overview[edit]

Fox's Reflector, known informally as a shine, can reflect projectiles that are fired on Fox back at the opponent. Fox can also use the reflector as a direct attack, knocking opponents on a semi-spike trajectory with low knockback.

The move was regarded as the best move in all of Melee due to it being an incredibly versatile attack for many reasons being usable in almost any situation. As a result, the move was significantly nerfed. The move can no longer be jump canceled which removes much of its followup potential. The move suffers from the general changes to Brawl's mechanics but unlike most moves which suffer either from the introduction of hitstun canceling, the universally decreased falling speeds or both, Reflector's main downfall was the removal of wavedashing. The main thing which made the shine as amazing as it was in Melee was Fox's ability to wavedash which allowed him to quickly get back on the ground and perform another Shine which gave the move amazing shield pressure potential and even the potential to infinite a majority of the cast. Naturally, the removal of wavedashing alone harms the move's utility. Even if the move were hypothetically jump cancelable in Brawl, it would still be a significantly less oppressive move as Fox would not be able to get back on the ground anywhere near as quickly to perform another Shine. The move also saw some other more direct nerfs. It has increased startup lag (now coming out on frame 3 rather than frame 1), it deals slightly less damage on aerial opponents and it launches opponents at a slightly higher angle which hinders the move in multiple ways. It makes the move less effective as an edgeguarding tool, it makes SDIing the move easier especially with its higher hitlag and it prevents the move from locking opponents which it otherwise would have gained the ability to do.

Despite these nerfs, Reflector has actually seen some buffs which still make it a useful move. The move's hitbox has a slightly longer duration and its intangibility has increased making it more effective at breaking out of combos despite its increased startup lag. If Fox does not hold the move, it also has considerably lower ending lag. On the ground, this allows the move to have at least some followup potential particularly at the wall where the move still has 0-death potential (although this can be avoided with SDI) and in the air, this gives the move extremely strong stalling capabilities. The move no longer has set knockback instead have high base knockback but low knockback scaling. This prevents the move from knocking down lighter characters at lower percents removing one of the few limitations it had in Melee (although this also means that it now knocks down heavier characters at higher percents) and it make shine spikes more effective at higher percents. Fox can also now roll or spot dodge if he reflects a projectile.

Overall while being a farcry from its Melee counterpart, Reflector is still a useful move in its own right.

Hitboxes[edit]

ID Part Damage SD Angle BK KS FKV Radius Bone Offset SDIx H× T% Clang Rebound Type Effect G A Sound Direct
0 0 5% 0 AngleIcon10.png 60 30 0 6.0 0 0.0 6.5 0.0 1.0x 1.0x 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png Typeless (type) Electric (effect) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialFalse).png L Burn SpecialsDirect.png
1 0 4% 0 AngleIcon10.png 60 30 0 6.0 0 0.0 6.5 0.0 1.0x 1.0x 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png Typeless (type) Electric (effect) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedFalse).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png L Burn SpecialsDirect.png

Timing[edit]

Minimum duration[edit]

Intangible 1-3
Hitbox 3
Animation length 21
FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Hitbox).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png
FrameIcon(Intangible).png FrameIcon(Intangible).png FrameIcon(Intangible).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png

In general[edit]

Intangible 1-3
Hitbox 3
Reflects 4-[release+1]
Turnaround possible 4-[release+1]
Animation length [release+18]
FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(HitboxLoopS).png FrameIcon(ReflectLoopE).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(Reflect).png FrameIcon(ReflectLoopS).png FrameIcon(LagLoopE).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png
FrameIcon(Intangible).png FrameIcon(Intangible).png FrameIcon(Intangible).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(VulnerableLoopS).png FrameIcon(VulnerableLoopE).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png
Legend (1 square = 1 frame)
Lag
Lag time		 Hitbox
Hitbox		 FrameIcon(Vulnerable).png
Vulnerable		 FrameIcon(BlankLoopS).pngFrameIcon(BlankLoopE).png
Loop point		 Reflection
Reflect		 Intangibility
Intangible

Properties[edit]

Reflection radius 8.5
Reflection y position 6.5
Reflection damage 1.5x
Reflection speed 1.0x
Reflection duration 0.5x
Max reflectable damage 50
Reflection lag 20

Trivia[edit]

  • According to Fox's moveset files, Reflector was intended to have a cooldown of 18 frames before it can be canceled, but it gets entirely skipped for unknown reasons. This is shared with Wolf's Reflector.


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