Ganondorf (SSBU)/Neutral special: Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 20:35, December 31, 2022

This article is about the hitbox visualization in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. For the move itself, see Warlock Punch.

Ganondorf neutral special hitbox visualizations.
Grounded	Aerial

Grounded reversed	Aerial reversed

Overview[edit]

Ganondorf charges darkness into his left hand before delivering a devastating back-handed punch. This move may be appealing to use due to it being among the strongest attacks in the game, though its potential is dashed due to its considerable startup and endlag. Despite dealing heavy shield damage and Ganon being able to reverse the attack, nearby opponents who are conservative with their shield play will likely be able to punish him and follow up. This will cause him to be put in a disadvantage state, causing him to waste momentum. As a result, most players consider this attack to be his worst special move, and by extension, his worst move overall.

Hitboxes[edit]

Landing any hitbox produces a Special Zoom.

Grounded[edit]

ID	Part	Rehit rate	Damage	SD	Angle type	BK	KS	FKV	Radius	Bone	Offset			H×	SDI×	T%	Sound	Hit bits	Hit part
Normal
0	0	0	30.0%	0	Forward	120	46	0	5.0	shoulderl	2.4	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
1	0	0	30.0%	0	Forward	120	46	0	4.7	bust	0.0	1.0	1.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
2	0	0	30.0%	0	Forward	120	46	0	4.8	arml	5.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
Reversed
0	0	0	37.0%	0	Forward	30	100	0	5.0	shoulderl	2.4	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
1	0	0	37.0%	0	Forward	30	100	0	4.7	bust	0.0	1.0	1.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
2	0	0	37.0%	0	Forward	30	100	0	4.8	arml	5.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All

Aerial[edit]

ID	Part	Rehit rate	Damage	SD	Angle type	BK	KS	FKV	Radius	Bone	Offset			H×	SDI×	T%	Sound	Hit bits	Hit part
Normal
0	0	0	38.0%	0	Forward	30	100	0	5.0	shoulderl	2.4	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
1	0	0	38.0%	0	Forward	30	100	0	4.7	bust	0.0	1.0	1.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
2	0	0	38.0%	0	Forward	30	100	0	4.8	arml	5.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
Reversed
0	0	0	40.0%	0	Forward	40	100	0	5.0	shoulderl	2.4	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
1	0	0	40.0%	0	Forward	40	100	0	4.7	bust	0.0	1.0	1.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All
2	0	0	40.0%	0	Forward	40	100	0	4.8	arml	5.0	0.0	0.0	1.0×	1.0×	0%	Kick	All	All

Differences for Kirby's Copy Ability[edit]

The hitboxes have different offsets (2.4u → 1.5u (ID 0 X offset), 0u/1u/1u → 1.1u/-0.3u/-0.4u (ID 1 X/Y/Z), 5u/0u/0u → 1u/-4u/1u (ID 2 X/Y/Z)), better matching Kirby's proportions.
- The reverse versions' ID 0 and 2 hitboxes are also assigned to the opposite bones ("shoulderl"/"arml" → "shoulderr"/"armr"), due to Kirby having stance mirroring unlike Ganondorf.

Timing[edit]

Normal[edit]

The move can be reversed on frame 11. For the aerial version, the control stick is checked on frame 66 to apply vertical momentum in the chosen direction.

Super armor (grounded only)	11-67
Hitbox	70-73
Interruptible	118
Animation length	130

Hitboxes
Grounded only

Reversed[edit]

For the aerial version, the control stick is checked on frame 76 to apply vertical momentum in the chosen direction.

Transition start	11
Turnaround	21
Super armor (grounded only)	21-74
Hitbox	80-83
Interruptible	128
Animation length	140

Hitboxes
Grounded only

Legend (1 square = 1 frame)
Lag time	Hitbox	Vulnerable	State change	Armour	Interruptible

Parameters[edit]

Move[edit]

Momentum forward	0.8
Vertical boost in midair by stick input	0.5
Travel angle with vertical boost	45°

Special Zoom[edit]

Duration	40 frames (Ganondorf) 35 frames (Kirby)
Slowdown magnitude	2
Zoom rate	4 (Ganondorf) 3.5 (Kirby)
Time before zoom	3 frames
Background duration (non-1v1)	30 frames

Ganondorf's moveset

Neutral attack · Forward tilt · Up tilt · Down tilt · Dash attack · Forward smash · Up smash · Down smash
Neutral aerial · Forward aerial · Back aerial · Up aerial · Down aerial
Grab · Pummel · Forward throw · Back throw · Up throw · Down throw
Forward roll · Back roll · Spot dodge · Air dodge · Techs
Floor attack (front) · Floor getups (front) · Floor attack (back) · Floor getups (back) · Floor attack (trip) · Floor getups (trip)
Edge attack · Edge getups
Neutral special · Side special · Up special · Down special · Final Smash

Ganondorf (SSBU)/Neutral special: Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 20:35, December 31, 2022

Contents

Overview[edit]

Hitboxes[edit]

Grounded[edit]

Aerial[edit]

Differences for Kirby's Copy Ability[edit]

Timing[edit]

Normal[edit]

Reversed[edit]

Parameters[edit]

Move[edit]

Special Zoom[edit]

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+{{disambig2|the hitbox visualization in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''|the move itself|Warlock Punch}}
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-!colspan=5| Ganondorf neutral special hitbox visualizations.
+!colspan=2| Ganondorf neutral special hitbox visualizations.
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 ! Grounded || Aerial
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 | |[[File:GanondorfNSpecialGroundedSSBU.gif|300px]] || [[File:GanondorfNSpecialAerialSSBU.gif|300px]]
 |-
-! Grounded reversed || Aerial Reversed
+! Grounded reversed || Aerial reversed
 |-
 | |[[File:GanondorfNSpecialGroundedReversedSSBU.gif|300px]] || [[File:GanondorfNSpecialAerialReversedSSBU.gif|300px]]
@@ Line 15: / Line 15: @@
 ==Overview==
-Ganondorf charges darkness into his left hand before delivering a devastating back-handed punch.
+Ganondorf charges darkness into his left hand before delivering a devastating back-handed punch. This move may be appealing to use due to it being among the strongest attacks in the game, though its potential is dashed due to its considerable startup and endlag. Despite dealing heavy shield damage and Ganon being able to reverse the attack, nearby opponents who are conservative with their shield play will likely be able to punish him and follow up. This will cause him to be put in a disadvantage state, causing him to waste momentum. As a result, most players consider this attack to be his worst special move, and by extension, his worst move overall.
 ==Hitboxes==
+Landing any hitbox produces a [[Special Zoom]].
+===Grounded===
 {{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}}
-{{HitboxTableTitle|Grounded|24}}
+{{HitboxTableTitle|Normal|50}}
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
 |id=0
 |damage=30.0%
 |angle=50
+|af=3
 |bk=120
 |ks=46
@@ Line 41: / Line 46: @@
 |damage=30.0%
 |angle=50
+|af=3
 |bk=120
 |ks=46
@@ Line 56: / Line 62: @@
 }}
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
-|id=
+|id=2
 |damage=30.0%
 |angle=50
+|af=3
 |bk=120
 |ks=46
@@ Line 73: / Line 80: @@
 |slvl=L
 }}
-{{HitboxTableTitle|Aerial|24}}
+{{HitboxTableTitle|Reversed|50}}
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
 |id=0
-|damage=38.0%
+|damage=37.0%
-|angle=30
+|angle=361
+|af=3
 |bk=30
 |ks=100
@@ Line 94: / Line 102: @@
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
 |id=1
-|damage=38.0%
+|damage=37.0%
-|angle=30
+|angle=361
+|af=3
 |bk=30
 |ks=100
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 }}
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
-|id=
+|id=2
-|damage=38.0%
+|damage=37.0%
-|angle=30
+|angle=361
+|af=3
 |bk=30
 |ks=100
@@ Line 128: / Line 138: @@
 |slvl=L
 }}
-{{HitboxTableTitle|Grounded reversed|24}}
+|}
+===Aerial===
+{{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}}
+{{HitboxTableTitle|Normal|50}}
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
 |id=0
-|damage=37.0%
+|damage=38.0%
-|angle=361
+|angle=30
+|af=3
 |bk=30
 |ks=100
@@ Line 149: / Line 164: @@
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
 |id=1
-|damage=37.0%
+|damage=38.0%
-|angle=361
+|angle=30
+|af=3
 |bk=30
 |ks=100
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 }}
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
-|id=
+|id=2
-|damage=37.0%
+|damage=38.0%
-|angle=361
+|angle=30
+|af=3
 |bk=30
 |ks=100
@@ Line 183: / Line 200: @@
 |slvl=L
 }}
-{{HitboxTableTitle|Aerial reversed|24}}
+{{HitboxTableTitle|Reversed|50}}
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
 |id=0
 |damage=40.0%
 |angle=30
+|af=3
 |bk=40
 |ks=100
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 |damage=40.0%
 |angle=30
+|af=3
 |bk=40
 |ks=100
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 }}
 {{UltimateHitboxTableRow
-|id=
+|id=2
 |damage=40.0%
 |angle=30
+|af=3
 |bk=40
 |ks=100
@@ Line 239: / Line 259: @@
 }}
 |}
+===Differences for {{SSBU|Kirby}}'s [[Copy Ability]]===
+*{{change|The hitboxes have different offsets (2.4u → 1.5u (ID 0 X offset), 0u/1u/1u → 1.1u/-0.3u/-0.4u (ID 1 X/Y/Z), 5u/0u/0u → 1u/-4u/1u (ID 2 X/Y/Z)), better matching Kirby's proportions.}}
+**{{change|The reverse versions' ID 0 and 2 hitboxes are also assigned to the opposite [[bone]]s ("shoulderl"/"arml" → "shoulderr"/"armr"), due to Kirby having [[stance mirroring]] unlike Ganondorf.}}
 ==Timing==
-===Regular===
+===Normal===
+The move can be reversed on frame 11. For the aerial version, the control stick is checked on frame 66 to apply vertical momentum in the chosen direction.
 {|class="wikitable"
-!Super Armor (Grounded only)
+!Super armor (grounded only)
 |11-67
 |-
@@ Line 255: / Line 281: @@
 |}
 {{FrameStripStart}}
-|'''Hitboxes'''&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=69}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=44}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=13}}
+!Hitboxes&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=69}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=44}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=13}}
 |-
-|'''Grounded only'''&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=10}}{{FrameStrip|t=Armour|c=57}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=63}}
+!Grounded only&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=10}}{{FrameStrip|t=Armour|c=57}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=63}}
 {{FrameStripEnd}}
 ===Reversed===
+For the aerial version, the control stick is checked on frame 76 to apply vertical momentum in the chosen direction.
 {|class="wikitable"
-!Super Armor (Grounded only)
+!Transition start
-|21-75
+|11
+|-
+!Turnaround
+|21
+|-
+!Super armor (grounded only)
+|21-74
 |-
 !Hitbox
@@ Line 275: / Line 308: @@
 |}
 {{FrameStripStart}}
-|'''Hitboxes'''&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=79}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=44}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=13}}
+!Hitboxes&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=10|e=LagStateS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=10|s=LagStateE|e=LagStateS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=59|s=LagStateE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=4}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=44}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=13}}
 |-
-|'''Grounded only'''&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=20}}{{FrameStrip|t=Armour|c=55}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=65}}
+!Grounded only&nbsp;{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=10|e=VulnerableStateS}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=10|s=VulnerableStateE}}{{FrameStrip|t=Armour|c=54}}{{FrameStrip|t=Vulnerable|c=66}}
 {{FrameStripEnd}}
-{{FrameIconLegend|lag=y|hitbox=y|interruptible=y|vulnerable=y|armour=y}}
+{{FrameIconLegend|lag=y|hitbox=y|interruptible=y|vulnerable=y|armour=y|state=y}}
+==Parameters==
+===Move===
+{|class="wikitable"
+!Momentum forward
+|0.8
+|-
+!Vertical boost in midair by stick input
+|0.5
+|-
+!Travel angle with vertical boost
+|45°
+|}
+===Special Zoom===
+{|class="wikitable"
+!Duration
+|40 frames (Ganondorf)<br>35 frames (Kirby)
+|-
+!Slowdown magnitude
+|2
+|-
+!Zoom rate
+|4 (Ganondorf)<br>3.5 (Kirby)
+|-
+!Time before zoom
+|3 frames
+|-
+!Background duration (non-1v1)
+|30 frames
+|}
 {{MvSubNavGanondorf|g=SSBU}}