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{{Infobox Character Mod | {{Infobox Character Mod | ||
|name | |name = Sonic | ||
|image | |image = {{tabber|title1=Sonic (PM)|content1=[[File:Sonic SSBB.jpg|250x250px]]|title2=Sonic (P+)|content2=[[File:PPlus Sonic.png|250x250px]]|title3=Jet Set Radio (PM)|content3=[[File:JetSetSonicPM.png|250x250px]]|title4=Jet Set Radio (P+)|content4=[[File:PPlus Jet Set Sonic.png|250x250px]]|title5=Racing Suit (P+)|content5=[[File:PPlus Racing Suit Sonic.png|250x250px]]|title6=Sega Kid (P+)|content6=[[File:PPlus Sega Kid Sonic.png|250x250px]]}} | ||
|mod | |mod = Project M | ||
|base | |base = SSBB | ||
| | |altcostume = Jet Set Radio, Racing Suit Sonic (''[[Project+]]''), Sega Kid Sonic (''Project+'') | ||
| | |moveset1 = Sonic (SSBB) | ||
}} | }} | ||
'''Sonic''' is a playable character in the ''[[Brawl]]'' mod ''[[Project M]]''. He has been buffed for his ''Project M'' showing. Sonic is currently ranked 10th out of 41 characters on the [[Project M#Tier list|official]] [[tier list]], near the top of A tier, and a considerable improvement over his placement in ''Brawl'', where he was 22nd out of 38. | '''Sonic''' is a playable character in the ''[[Brawl]]'' mod ''[[Project M]]''. He has been buffed for his ''Project M'' showing. Sonic is currently ranked 10th out of 41 characters on the [[Project M#Tier list|official]] [[tier list]], near the top of A tier, and a considerable improvement over his placement in ''Brawl'', where he was 22nd out of 38. In the official ''Project+'' {{h2|Project+|tier list}}, he is ranked 4th at the top of the A+ tier, another considerable improvement over his placement in ''Project M''. | ||
==Attributes== | ==Attributes== | ||
True to his series, Sonic is the fastest character in the game, having the fastest dash speed and a fast air speed. These traits make him able to rack up damage very easily and execute combos across the stage. His strengths include extremely fast and tricky movement, a great combo game, good edgeguards, and one of the best recoveries in the game. He has been given the option to [[moonwalk]] as a result of the game's return to ''Melee'' physics, which can help mix up his approach. He also now has the ability to dash jump, which almost doubles his already fast air speed. Sonic also sports a plethora of recovery options, as all four of his special moves can help him recover in some capacity. | True to his series, Sonic is the fastest character in the game, having the fastest dash speed and a fast air speed. These traits make him able to rack up damage very easily and execute combos across the stage. His strengths include extremely fast and tricky movement, a great combo game, good edgeguards, and one of the best recoveries in the game. He has been given the option to [[moonwalk]] as a result of the game's return to ''Melee'' physics, which can help mix up his approach. He also now has the ability to dash jump, which almost doubles his already fast air speed. Sonic also sports a plethora of recovery options, as all four of his special moves can help him recover in some capacity. | ||
While Sonic was known in ''Brawl'' for his high speed and movement, he was held back by his poor KO potential due to his extremely weak attacks and few finishers, all of which were unreliable and ineffective. This has been addressed in ''Project M'', as he has been given more KO power in his moveset, making him stronger than before. | While Sonic was known in ''Brawl'' for his high speed and movement, he was held back by his poor KO potential due to his extremely weak attacks and few finishers, all of which were unreliable and ineffective. This has been addressed in ''Project M'', as he has been given more KO power in his moveset, making him stronger than before. | ||
Sonic's flaws include having poor range on most of his moves (in addition to a lack of projectiles), poor hitbox placements, and weak horizontal and vertical endurance due to being light with only an average falling speed (even floatier characters like {{PM|Samus}} take less vertical knockback due to her extra weight), while also being very susceptible to juggles despite generally not being easy to combo. As such, while Sonic can combo easily due to his maneuverability, he himself is very easy to K.O. at lower percents, as attacks with high power can send him flying off the stage for good despite his multitude of recovery options, and his low range and lack of projectiles compel him to come close to his opponents rather than | Sonic's flaws include having poor range on most of his moves (in addition to a lack of projectiles), poor hitbox placements, and weak horizontal and vertical endurance due to being light with only an average falling speed (even floatier characters like {{PM|Samus}} take less vertical knockback due to her extra weight), while also being very susceptible to juggles despite generally not being easy to combo. As such, while Sonic can combo easily due to his maneuverability, he himself is very easy to K.O. at lower percents, as attacks with high power can send him flying off the stage for good despite his multitude of recovery options, and his low range and lack of projectiles compel him to come close to his opponents rather than harass them from afar. As such, Sonic must make use of his speed and movement options in order to open up opponents and compensate for his weaknesses. | ||
==Changes from ''Brawl'' to PM== | ==Changes from ''Brawl'' to PM== | ||
Sonic was buffed in transition to PM, | Sonic was buffed in transition to PM. His already impressive mobilty has been improved, he has more KO power and many of his moves have been altered to be more reliable and have more utility. While he has seen some nerfs mainly to his endurance and recovery, he overall has much better tools and the new mechanics of ''Project M'' benefit him more than they hinder him. | ||
[[File: | [[File:Sonic PM Taunt.gif|thumb|Sonic's new up taunt in Project M.]] | ||
[[File:SonicFairPM.png|200px|thumb|Sonic's new forward aerial.]] | [[File:SonicFairPM.png|200px|thumb|Sonic's new forward aerial.]] | ||
===Aesthetics=== | ===Aesthetics=== | ||
*{{change|Up taunt now features a horizontal spin and finger wag. Additionally, all of Sonic's taunts can be held indefinitely by holding down the taunt button.}} | *{{change|Up taunt now features a horizontal spin and finger wag. Additionally, all of Sonic's taunts can be held indefinitely by holding down the taunt button.}} | ||
*{{buff|Sonic can now [[taunt cancel]] all three of his taunts.}} | *{{buff|Sonic can now [[taunt cancel]] all three of his taunts.}} | ||
*{{change|Sonic has all new alternate costumes with one of his costumes being based on Beat, the main protagonist from fellow Sega franchise ''{{iw|wikipedia|Jet Set Radio}}''.}} | |||
===Attributes=== | ===Attributes=== | ||
*{{buff| | *{{buff|Sonic's already impressive [[Dash]]ing speed was further increased (3.5 → 4).}} | ||
*{{nerf|Sonic is significantly lighter | *{{buff|Sonic's [[air speed]] was negligibly increased (1.1092 → 1.11).}} | ||
*{{buff|Sonic's [[jump]]squat is faster (5 frames → 3).}} | |||
*{{change|Sonic's [[falling speed]] was increased (1.45 → 1.9) although it is lower relative to the cast.}} | |||
*{{change|Sonic's [[gravity]] was increased (0.085 → 0.111).}} | |||
*{{change|Sonic's traction is higher (0.07 → 0.085) although it is lower relative to the cast. While this makes it easier for him to punish out of shield, it also means that his new [[wavedash]] covers below average distance.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Sonic's already low [[air acceleration]] was decreased (0.05 → 0.045).}} | |||
*{{nerf|Sonic is significantly lighter (95 → 82). When combined with the removal of [[momentum canceling]], this drastically worsens his horizontal endurance although his vertical endurance is similar due to his higher fall speed.}} | |||
**{{buff|This weight change however allows him to be knocked down by {{PM|Fox}}'s shine.}} | |||
*{{nerf|[[Grab release glitch]] from ''Brawl'' has not been removed.}} | *{{nerf|[[Grab release glitch]] from ''Brawl'' has not been removed.}} | ||
*{{nerf|Sonic's [[glide toss]] covers less distance.}} | |||
===Ground Attacks=== | ===Ground Attacks=== | ||
*{{buff|Jab combo does more damage.}} | *{{buff|Jab combo does more damage (7% → 10%) and the second and third hits have longer durations (frame 2 → 2-3 (hit 2), frame 3 → 4-6 (hit 3)).}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Forward tilt]] is now a single hit, while still dealing the | *{{nerf|The third hit of jab has more startup lag (frame 3 → 4) and the removal of [[jab lock]]ing hinders jab's damage racking potential if the opponent misses a [[tech]].}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Up tilt]] is now a flash kick with a single hitbox instead of a double high kick | *{{buff|[[Forward tilt]] is now a single hit, while still dealing 11% if the sweetspot connects, and it has slightly more KO potential despite its decreased knockback scaling (115 → 90). It also has less ending lag (frame 35 → 32).}} | ||
*{{ | *{{nerf|Forward tilt has more startup lag (frame 6 → 7).}} | ||
*{{buff|[[ | *{{buff|[[Up tilt]] is now a flash kick with a single hitbox instead of a double high kick based off of Sonic Up Draft from ''Sonic Battle''. It acts better as a launcher, with less startup (frame 7 → 6) and ending lag (frame 50 → 30) and it has a lot more utility than the old up tilt.}} | ||
*{{buff| | *{{nerf|New up tilt deals less damage (14% → 11%).}} | ||
*{{buff| | *{{buff|[[Down tilt]] has a longer duration (frames 6-9 → 6-10) and has more combo potential due to the removal of [[hitstun canceling]].}} | ||
*{{nerf| | *{{nerf|Down tilt's IASA frames are later (frame 28 → 29). It can also no longer be used as a pseudo crawl.}} | ||
*{{ | *{{buff|Dash attack has less startup lag with a longer duration (frames 5-23 → 2-22), has less ending lag (frame 43 → 40), the clean hit deals more damage (6% → 8%) and deals higher knockback.}} | ||
*{{buff|Forward smash has less startup lag with a longer duration (frames 18-22 → 16-22), has less ending lag (frame 45 → 42), deals more damage (14% → 16%) and has increased knockback scaling (98 → 100) improving its KO potential.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Forward smash now has a late hit which deals less damage (14% → 12%) and knockback (30 (base), 98 (scaling) → 10/85).}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Up smash]] has less startup (frame 19 → 18) and much less ending lag (frame 66 → 50) and it is no longer a multi hit only having two hitboxes. The first is weak, while the second is much stronger and deals more damage (5% (hit 1), 1% (hits 2-7), 3% (hit 8), 14% (total) → 2% (early), 16% (clean)) and produces more knockback (70 (base), 153 (scaling) → 37/102) making the move much more reliable and improving its KO potential dramatically.}} | |||
*{{change|Sweetspots of neutral aerial and up smash now have a [[slash]] effect, and the former has a new look inspired by ''Sonic 3''.}} | *{{change|Sweetspots of neutral aerial and up smash now have a [[slash]] effect, and the former has a new look inspired by ''Sonic 3''.}} | ||
*{{nerf|Sonic's [[DACUS]] covers less distance and he gains less distance when performing up smash out of a dash greatly hindering up smash's approach potential. It also has a shorter overall duration (frames 19-32 → 18/20-24).}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Down smash]] changed to a multi-hitting "break-dance" move reminiscent of his Heavy Attack, the Sonic Flare, from ''Sonic Battle''. It acts similar to the original, but has less startup (frame 17 → 10) and ending lag (frame 58 → 51) and and deals higher damage (12% (early), 9% (clean), 7% (mid), 5% (late) → 15% (front), 12% (back)) improving its KO potential despite its decreased knockback (40 (base), 100 (scaling) → 25 (front), 20 (back)/91) and can [[punish]] [[shield]]ing or [[crouch cancel]]ing foes more effectively.}} | |||
*{{nerf|New down smash has less range and a shorter duration (frames 17-37 → 10-19 (front), 24-30 (back)).}} | |||
===Aerial Attacks=== | ===Aerial Attacks=== | ||
*{{buff|[[Neutral aerial]] | *{{buff|[[Neutral aerial]] has a new initial hit which deals more damage (11% → 15%) and has stronger knockback and has a larger hitbox. It also has less startup (frame 6 → 4) and ending lag (frame 47 → 31) and [[auto-cancel]]s earlier now doing so in a [[short hop]].}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Forward aerial]] is now a | *{{nerf|Neutral aerial has more landing lag (12 frames → 15).}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Forward aerial]] is now a front-flip kick, based on the Sonic Eagle from ''Sonic Battle''. It has much more utility, covering a wider area in front of Sonic and [[meteor smash]]ing at the heel of his foot, which when combined with his enhanced [[air speed]] gives Sonic a deadly [[Ken Combo]]. It also has less landing lag (30 frames → 22), and is much more reliable due to no longer being a multihit.}} | |||
*{{buff|Back aerial | *{{nerf|New forward air deals less damage (14% → 11%). It also has more startup (frame 5 → 8) and ending lag (frame 36 → 38).}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Up aerial]] has faster | *{{buff|Back aerial now has a sweetspot on Sonic's foot which deals more damage (13% → 16%) improving its KO potential. It also has a longer duration (frames 13-16 → 13-21) and less ending lag (frame 37 → 34).}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Down aerial]] | *{{nerf|Both the early and late hits of back aerial now have a sourspot which deals less damage (13% (clean), 9% (late) → 12%/6%) and the sweetspot has reduced knockback scaling (94 → 90). Back aerial also has more landing lag (9 frames → 18 (although it's landing lag is identical when [[L-cancel]]ed)) and it auto-cancels later (frame 29 → 33).}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Up aerial]]'s second hit has less startup lag (frame 14 → 10), both hits link better as the first hit has reduced set knockback (90 → 30) and hitlag and the second hit comes out faster, deals much more damage (3% (hit 1), 6% (hit 2) → 4%/13%), the hitbox at the tips of his shoes has stronger knockback (63 (base), 90 (scaling) → 25/100), and the initial hitbox is a [[spike]].}} | |||
*{{nerf|Up aerial no longer auto-cancels as soon as the hitbox ends (frame 19 → 32) greatly hindering its use as a landing option.}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Down aerial]] deals more damage (8% (clean), 7% (late) → 10%/9%) and has more knockback on its sweetspot, has significantly faster startup (frame 16 → 9), and is now better at starting aerial combos due to the removal of hitstun canceling and its lower landing lag (30 frames → 28) which can be further reduced with L-canceling. It also now has a meteor smash hitbox and it auto-cancels earlier (frame 39 → 36).}} | |||
*{{nerf|Down aerial has a much shorter duration (frames 16-37 → 9-24) now giving it a fair amount of ending lag after the hitbox has deceased.}} | |||
===Grabs and Throws=== | ===Grabs and Throws=== | ||
*{{buff|[[Up throw]] sends | *{{nerf|Standing [[grab]] has more startup lag (frame 6 → 7) and standing and pivot grabs have more ending lag (frame 29 → 31 (standing), frame 35 → 36 (pivot)).}} | ||
*{{change|Forward throw sends opponents at a more horizontal angle. This hinders its follow up potential but gives it tech chasing potential.}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Up throw]] sends opponents at a slightly different angle (100° → 95°) and the removal of hitstun canceling and the increased falling speeds improve its follow-up potential.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Up throw deals less damage (12% → 8%) with altered knockback (65 (base), 70 (scaling) → 95/60) hindering its combo potential.}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Down throw]] is faster, giving the opponent less time to [[DI]].}} | *{{buff|[[Down throw]] is faster, giving the opponent less time to [[DI]].}} | ||
===Special Moves=== | ===Special Moves=== | ||
*{{buff|[[Homing Attack]] can hit even when facing the other way and has much faster startup and fires straight at the opponent, now homing on them much more consistently in addition to [[juggling]] them at medium percentages.}} | *{{buff|[[Homing Attack]] can hit even when facing the other way and has much faster startup and fires straight at the opponent, now homing on them much more consistently in addition to [[juggling]] them at medium percentages.}} | ||
*{{nerf|Homing Attack has a slightly decreased detection radius, and gives less distance when there is no opponent in range, and has less KO potential. Additionally, if Sonic does not hit a wall or at least target anybody, he will go into [[helpless]] state and if he does hit a wall with it, it has a lot more ending lag no longer giving him an infinite stalling option.}} | |||
*{{buff|Pressing the attack button during the startup of Homing Attack lets Sonic use the Blast Attack, which is a faster Homing Attack with less ending lag, though it has less range and doesn't track the opponent. Sonic now strikes a pose after successfully hitting with a Homing Attack.}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Side special]] is now Somersault: a fast-starting spin attack with a variable height jump depending on how long is the special button held. Pressing the attack button turns the attack into a sliding kick similar to that of the ''Sonic Advance'' games. Both attacks cancel upon falling off a ledge. This gives Sonic a new multi-hitting quick attack to efficiently rack up damage and then launch foes, rather than a move almost identical to his [[down special]]. It also sweetspots ledges when used in midair, improving Sonic's horizontal [[recovery]].}} | *{{buff|[[Side special]] is now Somersault: a fast-starting spin attack with a variable height jump depending on how long is the special button held. Pressing the attack button turns the attack into a sliding kick similar to that of the ''Sonic Advance'' games. Both attacks cancel upon falling off a ledge. This gives Sonic a new multi-hitting quick attack to efficiently rack up damage and then launch foes, rather than a move almost identical to his [[down special]]. It also sweetspots ledges when used in midair, improving Sonic's horizontal [[recovery]].}} | ||
*{{nerf|[[Spring Jump]] gives slightly less vertical distance, and Sonic can no longer [[air dodge]] after performing the move; also, using it causes Sonic to lose all of his momentum as a result of the move resetting. He can also no longer re-use it if he is hit out of it with {{PM|Mario}}'s [[Cape]].}} | |||
*{{change|Falling animation after using Spring Jump is now identical to his [[helpless]] animation, though without the black overlay. Sonic now additionally spins horizontally during the rising portion of the move in a manner similar to ''Sonic CD''.}} | |||
*{{buff|Down special is still his [[Spin Charge]], but has gained most of the nuances the original [[Spin Dash]] had while retaining all of its own properties. It can additionally damage opponents when being charged.}} | *{{buff|Down special is still his [[Spin Charge]], but has gained most of the nuances the original [[Spin Dash]] had while retaining all of its own properties. It can additionally damage opponents when being charged.}} | ||
*{{nerf|[[Spin Charge]] can no longer be held indefinitely.}} | *{{nerf|[[Spin Charge]] can no longer be held indefinitely.}} | ||
*{{ | *{{nerf|[[Super Sonic]] is considerably weaker as he can no longer deal damage when idling and his ram deals less damage (18% → 16%). The increased falling speeds also further hinder his KO ability.}} | ||
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==Changes from PM to P+== | |||
===v3.0.1=== | |||
*[[Homing Attack]] will no longer go into special fall landing during trick animations. | |||
*Somersault no longer refreshes on ledge grab | |||
*The ledge grab box on Somersault has been lowered and shrunk | |||
*Spin Charge is now only usable once per airtime | |||
==Revisions== | ==Revisions== | ||
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*{{buff|Aerial Somersault can grab ledges.}} | *{{buff|Aerial Somersault can grab ledges.}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Spin Charge]] can be B-reversed.}} | *{{buff|[[Spin Charge]] can be B-reversed.}} | ||
*{{buff| | *{{buff|Spin Charge startup is faster.}} | ||
*{{buff|Up smash is two hits instead of many multi-hits, and the knockback on the last hit is stronger.}} | *{{buff|Up smash is two hits instead of many multi-hits, and the knockback on the last hit is stronger.}} | ||
*{{buff|Jump startup is slightly faster.}} | *{{buff|Jump startup is slightly faster.}} | ||
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*{{change|Down air no longer has disabled air mobility, and can be fastfalled to change the dive speed.}} | *{{change|Down air no longer has disabled air mobility, and can be fastfalled to change the dive speed.}} | ||
*{{change|[[Homing Attack]] on-hit cancel is removed.}} | *{{change|[[Homing Attack]] on-hit cancel is removed.}} | ||
*{{buff| | *{{buff|Homing Attack can be shortened by pressing Attack before he homes-in, this is called Blast Attack.}} | ||
*{{change| | *{{change|Homing Attack hit animation is now reversible.}} | ||
*{{change|Somersault initial hitbox sends outward, and halfway through aerial Side B it will send upwards.}} | *{{change|Somersault initial hitbox sends outward, and halfway through aerial Side B it will send upwards.}} | ||
*{{nerf|Somersault can only be used once per recovery, he must land on the stage or grab the edge to regain Side B usage in the air.}} | *{{nerf|Somersault can only be used once per recovery, he must land on the stage or grab the edge to regain Side B usage in the air.}} | ||
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*{{nerf|[[Spring Jump]] can no longer be canceled with a walljump, or wall jump after using [[Spring Jump]].}} | *{{nerf|[[Spring Jump]] can no longer be canceled with a walljump, or wall jump after using [[Spring Jump]].}} | ||
*{{nerf|[[Spin Charge]]'s hitboxes can no longer clank other moves and have increased hitlag.}} | *{{nerf|[[Spin Charge]]'s hitboxes can no longer clank other moves and have increased hitlag.}} | ||
*{{nerf| | *{{nerf|Spin Charge's spin jump can no longer be canceled with any special or airdodged from, and has a five frame-lock on performing aerials.}} | ||
*{{buff|Sonic's jump squat animation carries over more momentum, allowing for more range during his jump cancel grab.}} | *{{buff|Sonic's jump squat animation carries over more momentum, allowing for more range during his jump cancel grab.}} | ||
*{{change|Forward tilt tipper hit angle raised and homogenized amongst angled variants.}} | *{{change|Forward tilt tipper hit angle raised and homogenized amongst angled variants.}} | ||
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*{{change|Down aerial's dive no longer slows down when fast-fell.}} | *{{change|Down aerial's dive no longer slows down when fast-fell.}} | ||
*{{change|[[Homing Attack]] has a longer window to acquire a homing target, and a slightly longer start-up.}} | *{{change|[[Homing Attack]] has a longer window to acquire a homing target, and a slightly longer start-up.}} | ||
*{{nerf| | *{{nerf|Homing Attack's hit rebound animation has a later interrupt window.}} | ||
*{{change| | *{{change|Homing Attack's hit angle is notably higher.}} | ||
*{{change|Somersault's hits earlier with a new graphical cue before the move goes into the hop or tumble. This can allow it to hit twice with the hop. Somersault's initial damage and knockback were reduced to compensate.}} | *{{change|Somersault's hits earlier with a new graphical cue before the move goes into the hop or tumble. This can allow it to hit twice with the hop. Somersault's initial damage and knockback were reduced to compensate.}} | ||
*{{change|Somersault's previous momentum now has a large effect on the hop's height, making when you use the move more important.}} | *{{change|Somersault's previous momentum now has a large effect on the hop's height, making when you use the move more important.}} | ||
*{{change|Somersault's grounded tumble hitboxes have less time between hits, but end faster.}} | *{{change|Somersault's grounded tumble hitboxes have less time between hits, but end faster.}} | ||
*{{change|[[Spring Jump]] no longer has invincibility, but can be interrupted with an aerial earlier.}} | *{{change|[[Spring Jump]] no longer has invincibility, but can be interrupted with an aerial earlier.}} | ||
*{{nerf| | *{{nerf|Spring Jump's turnaround window is slightly longer.}} | ||
*{{change|Spring's hitbox comes out slightly later, and has a more diagonal hit angle with lower base knockback but increased knockback growth.}} | *{{change|Spring's hitbox comes out slightly later, and has a more diagonal hit angle with lower base knockback but increased knockback growth.}} | ||
*{{bugfix|[[Spin Charge]]'s jump inputs now properly recognize the tap-jump setting.}} | *{{bugfix|[[Spin Charge]]'s jump inputs now properly recognize the tap-jump setting.}} | ||
*{{change| | *{{change|Spin Charge's charging hitboxes no longer deal additional shield damage, but now drag targets in whatever direction Sonic is moving.}} | ||
*{{nerf| | *{{nerf|Spin Charge's charge now sends Sonic into spindash if you fail to mash quickly enough, and the mash requirement increases the longer you stay in charge. A quick white flash indicates that the mashing requirement has gotten harder.}} | ||
*{{nerf| | *{{nerf|Spin Charge's charge can no longer be canceled in any manner but by releasing into spindash, or holding shield to enter the spin stop cancel.}} | ||
*{{nerf| | *{{nerf|Spin Charge's spindash can no longer be shield canceled at any point in the move. Pressing shield will now cause Sonic to skid to a stop.}} | ||
*{{nerf| | *{{nerf|Spin Charge's spin jump and spin turn now have a fifteen frame delay on their hitboxes if Sonic has hit with spindash or spin turn in the last nine frames.}} | ||
*{{change| | *{{change|Spin Charge's spin jump and spin turn have reduced damage with compensated knockback, but can now hit multiple times.}} | ||
===v3.0=== | ===v3.0=== | ||
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! colspan=2 rowspan=3 | Neutral attack | ! colspan=2 rowspan=3 | Neutral attack | ||
| rowspan=3 | || 3% || rowspan=3 | | | rowspan=3 | || 3% || rowspan=3 | The Punch + Punch + Kick Combo from ''Sonic The Fighters''. | ||
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| 3% | | 3% | ||
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! rowspan="3" | Forward tilt || ↗ | ! rowspan="3" | Forward tilt || ↗ | ||
| rowspan="3" | || 12% (feet), 10% (legs) || rowspan="3" | Sonic stands on both hands and kicks out both legs at the opponent. This move can be angled up or down. | | rowspan="3" | Horse Kick || 12% (feet), 10% (legs) || rowspan="3" | The Horse Kick from ''Sonic The Fighters'' where Sonic stands on both hands and kicks out both legs at the opponent. This move can be angled up or down. | ||
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!→ | !→ | ||
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! colspan=2 | Down tilt | ! colspan=2 | Down tilt | ||
| || 6% || Sonic throws his leg out and does a sweep kick. | | || 6% || Sonic throws his leg out and does a sweep kick. Originates from ''Sonic The Fighters'' (Leg Throw) and ''Sonic 06'' (Foot Sweep) | ||
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! colspan=2 | Dash attack | ! colspan=2 | Dash attack | ||
| || 8% (clean), 4% (late) || Sonic curls into a ball to rush at any opponent in his path. | | || 8% (clean), 4% (late) || Sonic curls into a ball to rush at any opponent in his path. Based on the Spin Attack from the original ''Sonic the Hedgehog''. | ||
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! colspan=2 | Forward smash | ! colspan=2 | Forward smash | ||
| || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|16}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|12}} (late) || Sonic winds up his fist, then throws a punch forwards. This move can be aimed up or down. | | Wind-Up Punch || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|16}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|12}} (late) || Sonic winds up his fist, then throws a punch forwards. This move can be aimed up or down. Based on the move of the same name from ''Sonic the Fighters''. | ||
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! colspan=2 | Up smash | ! colspan=2 | Up smash | ||
| || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|2}} (hit 1), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}} (hit 2) || Sonic jumps up and curls up into a spiky ball. This move hits twice, with the first hit linking onto the second hit. Sonic himself is [[intangible]] while the first hitbox is active. | | || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|2}} (hit 1), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}} (hit 2) || Sonic jumps up and curls up into a spiky ball. This move hits twice, with the first hit linking onto the second hit. Sonic himself is [[intangible]] while the first hitbox is active. Based on when he jumps to attack enemies in the original ''Sonic the Hedgehog''. | ||
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! colspan=2 | Down smash | ! colspan=2 | Down smash | ||
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! colspan=2 | Down aerial | ! colspan=2 | Down aerial | ||
| || 10% (early hit), 9% (fall) || Sonic stalls for a brief moment, then shoots downwards foot first, via a [[stall-then-fall]] move. The move's initial hitbox can [[spike]] opponents. | | || 10% (early hit), 9% (fall) || Sonic stalls for a brief moment, then shoots downwards foot first, via a [[stall-then-fall]] move. The move's initial hitbox can [[spike]] opponents. Based on the Stomp Dive from Sonic the Fighters and the Sonic Rocket move from ''Sonic Battle''. | ||
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! colspan=2 | Forward throw | ! colspan=2 | Forward throw | ||
| || 3% (hit 1), 6% (throw) || Sonic kicks the opponent forward. | | || 3% (hit 1), 6% (throw) || Sonic kicks the opponent forward. Based on the Top Kick move from ''Sonic Battle''. | ||
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! colspan=2 | Back throw | ! colspan=2 | Back throw | ||
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! colspan=2 | Down throw | ! colspan=2 | Down throw | ||
| || 1% (hits 1-3), 5% (throw) || Sonic pins the opponent on the ground to spin-grind on top of them. | | || 1% (hits 1-3), 5% (throw) || Sonic pins the opponent on the ground to spin-grind on top of them. Based on the Double Spin move from ''Sonic the Fighters''. | ||
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! colspan=2 | Floor attack (front) | ! colspan=2 | Floor attack (front) | ||
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! colspan=2 | Neutral special | ! colspan=2 | Neutral special | ||
| [[Homing Attack]] / Blast Attack || 8% || Sonic curls up into a spiky ball while ascending, aims for the nearest target, then crashes into them. He'll perform a pose if he hits. If he fails to aquire a target and doesn't hit a wall or some other obstruction, Sonic will become [[helpless]]. | | [[Homing Attack]] / Blast Attack || 8% || Sonic curls up into a spiky ball while ascending, aims for the nearest target, then crashes into them. He'll perform a pose if he hits. If he fails to aquire a target and doesn't hit a wall or some other obstruction, Sonic will become [[helpless]]. Based on the move of the same name from ''Sonic Adventure''. | ||
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! colspan=2 | Side special | ! colspan=2 | Side special | ||
| Somersault || 4% (startup), 8% (jump), 1% (rolling hits)<br/>Slide kick: 9% (clean), 6% (late) || Sonic leaps a small distance in the air while in ball form, then performs a couple of somersault when he lands. This move can be linked into a sliding kick or canceled by jumping, making it a powerful mix-up option. | | Somersault || 4% (startup), 8% (jump), 1% (rolling hits)<br/>Slide kick: 9% (clean), 6% (late) || Sonic leaps a small distance in the air while in ball form, then performs a couple of somersault when he lands. This move can be linked into a sliding kick or canceled by jumping, making it a powerful mix-up option. Based on the move of the same name from ''Sonic Adventure 2''. | ||
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! colspan=2 | Up special | ! colspan=2 | Up special | ||
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! colspan=2 | Down special | ! colspan=2 | Down special | ||
| [[Spin Charge]] || 1% (charging hits), 6-11% (dash), 4% (jump) || Sonic curls himself into a spiky ball and dashes forward. This move can be charged by rapidly pressing the special button while holding down, making it both faster and stronger. Unlike in ''Brawl'', this move cannot be charged infinitely. | | [[Spin Charge]] || 1% (charging hits), 6-11% (dash), 4% (jump) || Sonic curls himself into a spiky ball and dashes forward. This move can be charged by rapidly pressing the special button while holding down, making it both faster and stronger. Unlike in ''Brawl'', this move cannot be charged infinitely. Based on the iconic Spin Dash that first appeared in ''Sonic the Hedgehog 2''. | ||
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! colspan=2 | Final smash | ! colspan=2 | Final smash | ||
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==In [[competitive play]]== | ==In [[competitive play]]== | ||
=== | ===Most historically significant players=== | ||
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*{{Sm| | ''See also: [[:Category:Sonic players (PM)]]'' | ||
*{{Sm|Aion|USA}} - Formerly ranked 3rd on the [[SoCal Power Rankings]] and is an Honorable Mention on [[PMRank 2017]]. Has notable wins over {{Sm|Sosa}} and {{Sm|Jose V}}. Placed 13th at [[Low Tier City 5]] and 33rd at [[Smash 'N' Splash 4]]. | |||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|SipMastah|USA}} - Ranked #9 on [[PMRank 2022]] and ranked 3rd on the [[NorCal Power Rankings]]. Co-mains Sonic with {{PM|Meta Knight}} and {{PM|Lucario}}. | ||
*{{Sm|Motobug|USA}} - Ranked #30 on [[PMRank 2023]] co-maining Sonic and Knuckles. 4th on the Massachusetts Power Rankings. Placed 13th at [[The Encore]], 7th at [[Resting Stitch Face 2]], and 2nd at [[Invincible 5]]. | |||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|Scarfy|USA}} - Formerly ranked 41st on [[PMRank 2018]]. Placed 17th at [[The Bigger Balc]], 3rd at [[Tipped Off 12]], 9th at [[SuperNova 2]], 17th at [[Low Tier City 5]], and 9th at [[Smash 'N' Splash 4]]. | ||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|Star|Australia}} - Best Australian Sonic main, now dual mains with Ike. Ranked 3rd on the Australian ''Project M'' Power Rankings. Placed 33rd at [[Smash 'N' Splash 3]]. | ||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|Wyld|USA}} - Formerly ranked #34 on [[PMRank 2019]] and 2nd on the Illinois Power Rankings. Placed 25th at [[Smash 'N' Splash 4]] and 9th at [[Frozen Phoenix 2019]]. | ||
==Alternate costumes== | ==Alternate costumes== | ||
Sonic's colours have been changed to be significantly more obvious, improving his readbility in team battles. The non-default colours are all references to other ''Sonic'' characters, while his alternate costume is based on another series that was created by SEGA, ''Jet Set Radio''. | ===Project M=== | ||
Sonic's colours have been changed to be significantly more obvious, improving his readbility in team battles. The non-default colours are all references to other ''Sonic'' characters, while his alternate costume is based on Beat, a character from another series that was created by SEGA, ''Jet Set Radio''. | |||
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|[[ | |[[File:SonicHeadSSBB.png]] | ||
|[[ | |[[File:SonicHeadRedPM.png]] | ||
|[[ | |[[File:SonicHeadPurplePM.png]] | ||
|[[ | |[[File:SonicHeadGreenPM.png]] | ||
|[[ | |[[File:SonicHeadShadowPM.png]] | ||
|[[ | |[[File:SonicHeadTailsPM.png]] | ||
|[[ | |[[File:SonicHeadSilverPM.png]] | ||
|[[ | |[[File:SonicHeadBeatPM.png]] | ||
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*Blue | *Blue | ||
*Red, a | *Red, a generic red costume that was planned to become a [[Dr. Eggman]] reference prior to Project M's development ending. | ||
*Purple, a | *Purple, a generic purple costume. | ||
*Green, a | *Green, a generic green costume that was planned to become a [[Jet the Hawk]] costume prior to Project M's development ending. | ||
*Black, a reference to [[Shadow the Hedgehog]] | *Black, a reference to [[Shadow the Hedgehog]] | ||
*Yellow, a reference to [[Tails|Miles "Tails" Prower]] | *Yellow, a reference to [[Tails|Miles "Tails" Prower]] | ||
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*An alternate costume based on Beat from ''{{s|wikipedia|Jet Set Radio}}''. | *An alternate costume based on Beat from ''{{s|wikipedia|Jet Set Radio}}''. | ||
===Project+=== | |||
In ''[[Project+]]'', his ''Jet Set Radio'' costume receives a set of recolors for [[Team Battle|Team Battles]], which are based on Gum, Cube, and Mew. He also receives a new alternate costume based on his Racing Suit from ''Sonic Adventure 2: Battle''. His third costume set, Sega Kid Sonic, is based on [https://www.reddit.com/r/SonicTheHedgehog/comments/teld5o/whats_your_opinion_regarding_the_official_artwork/ artwork] from Yuji Uekawa that imagined Sonic as a human boy. For this set, the red costume resembles Amy Rose; the green costume resembles Surge the Tenrec, a character from the IDW comic series; and the blue resembles the color of Sonic in the ''Adventure'' series games. | |||
[[File:Sonic Palette (P+).png|1280px|thumb|center|Sonic's alternate costumes in P+]] | |||
'''Secret costumes:''' | |||
[[File:Sonic Z P+.png|160px]] | |||
'''Z-Secret Costume:''' ''Sonic Adventure'' design | |||
'''R-Secret Costume:''' Sonic the Werehog from ''Sonic Unleashed'' | |||
==Trivia== | ==Trivia== | ||
*One of the poses Sonic performs when using the Homing Attack [http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100707130920/sonic/images/d/d3/Sonicadventuredcog.jpg shows a strong resemblance to his pose in the box art of ''Sonic Adventure'' | *One of the poses Sonic performs when using the Homing Attack [http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100707130920/sonic/images/d/d3/Sonicadventuredcog.jpg shows a strong resemblance] to his pose in the box art of ''Sonic Adventure''. | ||
*''Jet Set Radio'' composer Hideki Naganuma has [https://twitter.com/Hideki_Naganuma/status/519621527164047360 expressed approval] of Sonic's Beat Costume. | *''Jet Set Radio'' composer Hideki Naganuma has [https://twitter.com/Hideki_Naganuma/status/519621527164047360 expressed approval] of Sonic's Beat Costume. | ||
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[[Category:Characters (PM)]] | [[Category:Characters (PM)]] | ||
[[Category:Third party characters]] | [[Category:Third-party characters]] |
Latest revision as of 03:19, November 8, 2024
Sonic in Project M and Project+ | |
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Universe | Sonic the Hedgehog |
Base game appearance | Brawl |
Moveset inspiration | Sonic (SSBB) |
Alternate costume | Jet Set Radio, Racing Suit Sonic (Project+), Sega Kid Sonic (Project+) |
Sonic is a playable character in the Brawl mod Project M. He has been buffed for his Project M showing. Sonic is currently ranked 10th out of 41 characters on the official tier list, near the top of A tier, and a considerable improvement over his placement in Brawl, where he was 22nd out of 38. In the official Project+ tier list, he is ranked 4th at the top of the A+ tier, another considerable improvement over his placement in Project M.
Attributes[edit]
True to his series, Sonic is the fastest character in the game, having the fastest dash speed and a fast air speed. These traits make him able to rack up damage very easily and execute combos across the stage. His strengths include extremely fast and tricky movement, a great combo game, good edgeguards, and one of the best recoveries in the game. He has been given the option to moonwalk as a result of the game's return to Melee physics, which can help mix up his approach. He also now has the ability to dash jump, which almost doubles his already fast air speed. Sonic also sports a plethora of recovery options, as all four of his special moves can help him recover in some capacity.
While Sonic was known in Brawl for his high speed and movement, he was held back by his poor KO potential due to his extremely weak attacks and few finishers, all of which were unreliable and ineffective. This has been addressed in Project M, as he has been given more KO power in his moveset, making him stronger than before.
Sonic's flaws include having poor range on most of his moves (in addition to a lack of projectiles), poor hitbox placements, and weak horizontal and vertical endurance due to being light with only an average falling speed (even floatier characters like Samus take less vertical knockback due to her extra weight), while also being very susceptible to juggles despite generally not being easy to combo. As such, while Sonic can combo easily due to his maneuverability, he himself is very easy to K.O. at lower percents, as attacks with high power can send him flying off the stage for good despite his multitude of recovery options, and his low range and lack of projectiles compel him to come close to his opponents rather than harass them from afar. As such, Sonic must make use of his speed and movement options in order to open up opponents and compensate for his weaknesses.
Changes from Brawl to PM[edit]
Sonic was buffed in transition to PM. His already impressive mobilty has been improved, he has more KO power and many of his moves have been altered to be more reliable and have more utility. While he has seen some nerfs mainly to his endurance and recovery, he overall has much better tools and the new mechanics of Project M benefit him more than they hinder him.
Aesthetics[edit]
- Up taunt now features a horizontal spin and finger wag. Additionally, all of Sonic's taunts can be held indefinitely by holding down the taunt button.
- Sonic can now taunt cancel all three of his taunts.
- Sonic has all new alternate costumes with one of his costumes being based on Beat, the main protagonist from fellow Sega franchise Jet Set Radio.
Attributes[edit]
- Sonic's already impressive Dashing speed was further increased (3.5 → 4).
- Sonic's air speed was negligibly increased (1.1092 → 1.11).
- Sonic's jumpsquat is faster (5 frames → 3).
- Sonic's falling speed was increased (1.45 → 1.9) although it is lower relative to the cast.
- Sonic's gravity was increased (0.085 → 0.111).
- Sonic's traction is higher (0.07 → 0.085) although it is lower relative to the cast. While this makes it easier for him to punish out of shield, it also means that his new wavedash covers below average distance.
- Sonic's already low air acceleration was decreased (0.05 → 0.045).
- Sonic is significantly lighter (95 → 82). When combined with the removal of momentum canceling, this drastically worsens his horizontal endurance although his vertical endurance is similar due to his higher fall speed.
- This weight change however allows him to be knocked down by Fox's shine.
- Grab release glitch from Brawl has not been removed.
- Sonic's glide toss covers less distance.
Ground Attacks[edit]
- Jab combo does more damage (7% → 10%) and the second and third hits have longer durations (frame 2 → 2-3 (hit 2), frame 3 → 4-6 (hit 3)).
- The third hit of jab has more startup lag (frame 3 → 4) and the removal of jab locking hinders jab's damage racking potential if the opponent misses a tech.
- Forward tilt is now a single hit, while still dealing 11% if the sweetspot connects, and it has slightly more KO potential despite its decreased knockback scaling (115 → 90). It also has less ending lag (frame 35 → 32).
- Forward tilt has more startup lag (frame 6 → 7).
- Up tilt is now a flash kick with a single hitbox instead of a double high kick based off of Sonic Up Draft from Sonic Battle. It acts better as a launcher, with less startup (frame 7 → 6) and ending lag (frame 50 → 30) and it has a lot more utility than the old up tilt.
- New up tilt deals less damage (14% → 11%).
- Down tilt has a longer duration (frames 6-9 → 6-10) and has more combo potential due to the removal of hitstun canceling.
- Down tilt's IASA frames are later (frame 28 → 29). It can also no longer be used as a pseudo crawl.
- Dash attack has less startup lag with a longer duration (frames 5-23 → 2-22), has less ending lag (frame 43 → 40), the clean hit deals more damage (6% → 8%) and deals higher knockback.
- Forward smash has less startup lag with a longer duration (frames 18-22 → 16-22), has less ending lag (frame 45 → 42), deals more damage (14% → 16%) and has increased knockback scaling (98 → 100) improving its KO potential.
- Forward smash now has a late hit which deals less damage (14% → 12%) and knockback (30 (base), 98 (scaling) → 10/85).
- Up smash has less startup (frame 19 → 18) and much less ending lag (frame 66 → 50) and it is no longer a multi hit only having two hitboxes. The first is weak, while the second is much stronger and deals more damage (5% (hit 1), 1% (hits 2-7), 3% (hit 8), 14% (total) → 2% (early), 16% (clean)) and produces more knockback (70 (base), 153 (scaling) → 37/102) making the move much more reliable and improving its KO potential dramatically.
- Sweetspots of neutral aerial and up smash now have a slash effect, and the former has a new look inspired by Sonic 3.
- Sonic's DACUS covers less distance and he gains less distance when performing up smash out of a dash greatly hindering up smash's approach potential. It also has a shorter overall duration (frames 19-32 → 18/20-24).
- Down smash changed to a multi-hitting "break-dance" move reminiscent of his Heavy Attack, the Sonic Flare, from Sonic Battle. It acts similar to the original, but has less startup (frame 17 → 10) and ending lag (frame 58 → 51) and and deals higher damage (12% (early), 9% (clean), 7% (mid), 5% (late) → 15% (front), 12% (back)) improving its KO potential despite its decreased knockback (40 (base), 100 (scaling) → 25 (front), 20 (back)/91) and can punish shielding or crouch canceling foes more effectively.
- New down smash has less range and a shorter duration (frames 17-37 → 10-19 (front), 24-30 (back)).
Aerial Attacks[edit]
- Neutral aerial has a new initial hit which deals more damage (11% → 15%) and has stronger knockback and has a larger hitbox. It also has less startup (frame 6 → 4) and ending lag (frame 47 → 31) and auto-cancels earlier now doing so in a short hop.
- Neutral aerial has more landing lag (12 frames → 15).
- Forward aerial is now a front-flip kick, based on the Sonic Eagle from Sonic Battle. It has much more utility, covering a wider area in front of Sonic and meteor smashing at the heel of his foot, which when combined with his enhanced air speed gives Sonic a deadly Ken Combo. It also has less landing lag (30 frames → 22), and is much more reliable due to no longer being a multihit.
- New forward air deals less damage (14% → 11%). It also has more startup (frame 5 → 8) and ending lag (frame 36 → 38).
- Back aerial now has a sweetspot on Sonic's foot which deals more damage (13% → 16%) improving its KO potential. It also has a longer duration (frames 13-16 → 13-21) and less ending lag (frame 37 → 34).
- Both the early and late hits of back aerial now have a sourspot which deals less damage (13% (clean), 9% (late) → 12%/6%) and the sweetspot has reduced knockback scaling (94 → 90). Back aerial also has more landing lag (9 frames → 18 (although it's landing lag is identical when L-canceled)) and it auto-cancels later (frame 29 → 33).
- Up aerial's second hit has less startup lag (frame 14 → 10), both hits link better as the first hit has reduced set knockback (90 → 30) and hitlag and the second hit comes out faster, deals much more damage (3% (hit 1), 6% (hit 2) → 4%/13%), the hitbox at the tips of his shoes has stronger knockback (63 (base), 90 (scaling) → 25/100), and the initial hitbox is a spike.
- Up aerial no longer auto-cancels as soon as the hitbox ends (frame 19 → 32) greatly hindering its use as a landing option.
- Down aerial deals more damage (8% (clean), 7% (late) → 10%/9%) and has more knockback on its sweetspot, has significantly faster startup (frame 16 → 9), and is now better at starting aerial combos due to the removal of hitstun canceling and its lower landing lag (30 frames → 28) which can be further reduced with L-canceling. It also now has a meteor smash hitbox and it auto-cancels earlier (frame 39 → 36).
- Down aerial has a much shorter duration (frames 16-37 → 9-24) now giving it a fair amount of ending lag after the hitbox has deceased.
Grabs and Throws[edit]
- Standing grab has more startup lag (frame 6 → 7) and standing and pivot grabs have more ending lag (frame 29 → 31 (standing), frame 35 → 36 (pivot)).
- Forward throw sends opponents at a more horizontal angle. This hinders its follow up potential but gives it tech chasing potential.
- Up throw sends opponents at a slightly different angle (100° → 95°) and the removal of hitstun canceling and the increased falling speeds improve its follow-up potential.
- Up throw deals less damage (12% → 8%) with altered knockback (65 (base), 70 (scaling) → 95/60) hindering its combo potential.
- Down throw is faster, giving the opponent less time to DI.
Special Moves[edit]
- Homing Attack can hit even when facing the other way and has much faster startup and fires straight at the opponent, now homing on them much more consistently in addition to juggling them at medium percentages.
- Homing Attack has a slightly decreased detection radius, and gives less distance when there is no opponent in range, and has less KO potential. Additionally, if Sonic does not hit a wall or at least target anybody, he will go into helpless state and if he does hit a wall with it, it has a lot more ending lag no longer giving him an infinite stalling option.
- Pressing the attack button during the startup of Homing Attack lets Sonic use the Blast Attack, which is a faster Homing Attack with less ending lag, though it has less range and doesn't track the opponent. Sonic now strikes a pose after successfully hitting with a Homing Attack.
- Side special is now Somersault: a fast-starting spin attack with a variable height jump depending on how long is the special button held. Pressing the attack button turns the attack into a sliding kick similar to that of the Sonic Advance games. Both attacks cancel upon falling off a ledge. This gives Sonic a new multi-hitting quick attack to efficiently rack up damage and then launch foes, rather than a move almost identical to his down special. It also sweetspots ledges when used in midair, improving Sonic's horizontal recovery.
- Spring Jump gives slightly less vertical distance, and Sonic can no longer air dodge after performing the move; also, using it causes Sonic to lose all of his momentum as a result of the move resetting. He can also no longer re-use it if he is hit out of it with Mario's Cape.
- Falling animation after using Spring Jump is now identical to his helpless animation, though without the black overlay. Sonic now additionally spins horizontally during the rising portion of the move in a manner similar to Sonic CD.
- Down special is still his Spin Charge, but has gained most of the nuances the original Spin Dash had while retaining all of its own properties. It can additionally damage opponents when being charged.
- Spin Charge can no longer be held indefinitely.
- Super Sonic is considerably weaker as he can no longer deal damage when idling and his ram deals less damage (18% → 16%). The increased falling speeds also further hinder his KO ability.
Changes from PM to P+[edit]
v3.0.1[edit]
- Homing Attack will no longer go into special fall landing during trick animations.
- Somersault no longer refreshes on ledge grab
- The ledge grab box on Somersault has been lowered and shrunk
- Spin Charge is now only usable once per airtime
Revisions[edit]
v2.5b[edit]
- Forward tilt is now one hit, has less endlag, and much more knockback growth.
- Forward smash hit duration extended and has a weak hit added during that time.
- Neutral air is slightly faster, stronger, and has larger hitboxes.
- Back air adjusted in knockback, and is stronger at lower %s.
- Up air 2nd hit comes out slightly faster, sweetspot does a little more damage, and knockback slightly adjusted.
- Up air autocancels much earlier and IASA is a bit earlier.
- Homing Attack IASA is earlier.
- Aerial Somersault can grab ledges.
- Spin Charge can be B-reversed.
- Spin Charge startup is faster.
- Up smash is two hits instead of many multi-hits, and the knockback on the last hit is stronger.
- Jump startup is slightly faster.
- Gets more horizontal momentum from grounded jumps.
- Down air initial hitbox spikes on both grounded and airborne opponents.
- Somersault can no longer be jump canceled immediately, and the invincibility is completely gone.
- Aerial mobility is slightly lower.
- C-Stick up while shielding now correctly jumps instead of up smashing.
- Up tilt has a new animation.
- Down tilt moves forward and back, and the hitboxes and animation were adjusted.
- Down tilt sends foes up and behind him.
- Forward air has slightly faster startup with endlag and knockback adjusted.
- Down air no longer has disabled air mobility, and can be fastfalled to change the dive speed.
- Homing Attack on-hit cancel is removed.
- Homing Attack can be shortened by pressing Attack before he homes-in, this is called Blast Attack.
- Homing Attack hit animation is now reversible.
- Somersault initial hitbox sends outward, and halfway through aerial Side B it will send upwards.
- Somersault can only be used once per recovery, he must land on the stage or grab the edge to regain Side B usage in the air.
- Grounded Somersault goes into a multi-hit somersault instead of a spindash.
- Grounded Somersault somersault is jump cancelable, and if you press Attack Sonic will perform a slide kick.
- Grounded Somersaults somersault and slide kick are both edge cancelable.
- Spin Charge releases into spindash sooner.
v2.6b[edit]
- Up aerial's first hit has increased knockback, matching Brawl Sonic's values. The tipper sweetspot on the second hit is now easier to land.
- Forward smash's knockback was decreased.
- Forward smash's weaker lingering hit has notably decreased hitbox sizing and knockback.
- Forward aerial's damage and knockback were notably decreased, but no longer degrade at the end of the kick.
- Somersault's hitboxes can no longer clank other moves and have increased hitlag.
- Somersault's jump-cancel window starts later.
- Sonic can no longer airdodge after performing Spring Jump, even if he performs an aerial in between.
- Spring Jump can no longer be canceled with a walljump, or wall jump after using Spring Jump.
- Spin Charge's hitboxes can no longer clank other moves and have increased hitlag.
- Spin Charge's spin jump can no longer be canceled with any special or airdodged from, and has a five frame-lock on performing aerials.
- Sonic's jump squat animation carries over more momentum, allowing for more range during his jump cancel grab.
- Forward tilt tipper hit angle raised and homogenized amongst angled variants.
- Forward tilt damage is now based on angle like other forward tilts (12 hi, 11 med, 10 low), and knockback was compensated to match 2.1 Sonic.
- Neutral aerial's hitbox sizing and placements reverted to match 2.1 Sonic, but no longer shrink during the move's duration>
- Neutral aerial's active duration is faster.
- Neutral aerial's initial damage was matched to Brawl Sonic's values, and the knockback compensated to match the last hit of Brawl Sonic's forward aerial.
- Forward aerial starts up faster and now hits while Sonic's leg is further above him. Cooldown was increased slightly.
- Forward aerial's shoe sweetspot now sends at a diagonal angle during the first two active frames.
- Back aerial's initial damage and knockback stats weakened slightly, and his torso hitbox was made into a flub with notably less damage. The lingering hit was strengthened to match Brawl Sonic's values.
- Down aerial's lingering hit angle was raised to match other diagonal sending moves>
- Down aerial's dive no longer slows down when fast-fell.
- Homing Attack has a longer window to acquire a homing target, and a slightly longer start-up.
- Homing Attack's hit rebound animation has a later interrupt window.
- Homing Attack's hit angle is notably higher.
- Somersault's hits earlier with a new graphical cue before the move goes into the hop or tumble. This can allow it to hit twice with the hop. Somersault's initial damage and knockback were reduced to compensate.
- Somersault's previous momentum now has a large effect on the hop's height, making when you use the move more important.
- Somersault's grounded tumble hitboxes have less time between hits, but end faster.
- Spring Jump no longer has invincibility, but can be interrupted with an aerial earlier.
- Spring Jump's turnaround window is slightly longer.
- Spring's hitbox comes out slightly later, and has a more diagonal hit angle with lower base knockback but increased knockback growth.
- Spin Charge's jump inputs now properly recognize the tap-jump setting.
- Spin Charge's charging hitboxes no longer deal additional shield damage, but now drag targets in whatever direction Sonic is moving.
- Spin Charge's charge now sends Sonic into spindash if you fail to mash quickly enough, and the mash requirement increases the longer you stay in charge. A quick white flash indicates that the mashing requirement has gotten harder.
- Spin Charge's charge can no longer be canceled in any manner but by releasing into spindash, or holding shield to enter the spin stop cancel.
- Spin Charge's spindash can no longer be shield canceled at any point in the move. Pressing shield will now cause Sonic to skid to a stop.
- Spin Charge's spin jump and spin turn now have a fifteen frame delay on their hitboxes if Sonic has hit with spindash or spin turn in the last nine frames.
- Spin Charge's spin jump and spin turn have reduced damage with compensated knockback, but can now hit multiple times.
v3.0[edit]
- Sonic’s aerial mobility was slightly increased.
- Neutral air hits one frame sooner and stays strong slightly longer. The initial hitboxes were slightly increased in size, and knockback on all hits tweaked to aid in comboing and late-percent kills.
- Neutral air now has a small initial sweetspot that deals 15% damage with strong knockback and has neutral frame advantage on block.
- Back air has increased start up reminiscent of Brawl’s, and increased damage and knockback on all hitboxes. IASA window starts two frames earlier.
- Up air's knockback trajectory slightly raised to be straight vertical. Both sweet and sour spots have increased knockback growth.
- Spin Dash knockback stats and trajectory tweaked to aid in comboing.
- Spring Jump use is now reset if Sonic is grabbed.
- Forward air’s early sweetspot has reduced knockback growth.
- Homing attack lock-on range reduced by about 1/3.
- Neutral air animation tweaked for polish.
- When Homing or Blast attack collides with a floor, Sonic rebounds instead of flattening to the stage.
- Spin Maneuver’s Jump-cancel frame-lock no longer resets upon landing mid-move. Sonic also flashes when the frame-lock ends>
v3.5[edit]
- All of Sonic's forward tilt hitboxes last longer.
- Sonic's forward tilt, up tilt, forward aerial, and down smash no longer increase Sonic's foot size, limiting range.
- Forward tilt, up aerial, and down aerial has more endlag.
- Up aerial's second hit now lingers for less time.
- Spin Charge no longer has a hitbox when turning (and for a second afterwards).
- Spin Charge now has longer startup.
- Spring Jump has faster startup.
- Glitch fixed where Sonic could airdodge out of Spring Jump.
- Homing Attack can now grab ledges faster, and has 25% larger detection size.
- Homing Attacking in the air without it finding a target now puts Sonic into special fall.
- Somersault can no longer be edge cancelled immediately, cannot be cancelled for a longer amount of time, and the held version can't be jumped out of until it hits the ground.
- Spinshot distance reduced by about half.
- Super Sonic damage and knockback weakened, and now leaves Sonic helpless.
- Homing Attack's ending animation is now affected by gravity.
- The first hit of his up aerial weakened to link better.
- Down aerial's falling speed was reduced by 10%.
- Somersault now has one less hit.
v3.6[edit]
- Opening hitbox of dash attack significantly increased in size to match Sonic's model.
- Lingering hitbox of dash attack increased to match the size of the old opening hitbox.
- Down tilt hitbox active one frame earlier (7->6) and terminates one frame earlier (11->10)
- Range increased to cover more of the animation which was also slightly tweaked.
- Neutral aerial opening sourspot increased in size.
- Neutral aerial hitboxes redone and centered within his body instead of spinning around the sides of his model, to function consistently.
- Animations for Sonic's Down Smash, forward aerial, homing attack, side special, and crouch have been redone.
Moveset[edit]
Up to date as of version 3.6.
Name | Damage | Description | ||
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Neutral attack | 3% | The Punch + Punch + Kick Combo from Sonic The Fighters. | ||
3% | ||||
4% | ||||
Forward tilt | ↗ | Horse Kick | 12% (feet), 10% (legs) | The Horse Kick from Sonic The Fighters where Sonic stands on both hands and kicks out both legs at the opponent. This move can be angled up or down. |
→ | 11% (feet), 9% (legs) | |||
↘ | 10% (feet), 8% (legs) | |||
Up tilt | Sonic Up-Draft | 11% (foot), 9% (leg) | Sonic performs a bicycle kick. Based on the Sonic Up-Draft move from Sonic Battle. | |
Down tilt | 6% | Sonic throws his leg out and does a sweep kick. Originates from Sonic The Fighters (Leg Throw) and Sonic 06 (Foot Sweep) | ||
Dash attack | 8% (clean), 4% (late) | Sonic curls into a ball to rush at any opponent in his path. Based on the Spin Attack from the original Sonic the Hedgehog. | ||
Forward smash | Wind-Up Punch | 16% (clean), 12% (late) | Sonic winds up his fist, then throws a punch forwards. This move can be aimed up or down. Based on the move of the same name from Sonic the Fighters. | |
Up smash | 2% (hit 1), 14% (hit 2) | Sonic jumps up and curls up into a spiky ball. This move hits twice, with the first hit linking onto the second hit. Sonic himself is intangible while the first hitbox is active. Based on when he jumps to attack enemies in the original Sonic the Hedgehog. | ||
Down smash | Sonic Flare | 15% (hit 1), 12% (hit 2) | Sonic does a double-hitting "break-dance" kick. Based on the Sonic Flare move from Sonic Battle. | |
Neutral aerial | 15% (clean center), 11% (clean sides), 8% (mid), 5% (late) | Sonic curls up in a ball and spins around to generate a sharp "shield" around him, similar to the "Insta-Shield" seen in Sonic the Hedgehog 3. A useful move to send opponents flying and is a good combo finisher. | ||
Forward aerial | Sonic Eagle | 11% (foot), 9% (leg) | Sonic flips forward and sends his heel downward in an axe-kick fashion. Acts as a meteor smash upon impact on Sonic's foot. Based on the Sonic Eagle move from Sonic Battle. | |
Back aerial | 16% (clean leg), 12% (clean body), 9% (late leg), 6% (late body) | Sonic performs a backwards roundhouse kick that deals fairly strong knockback. | ||
Up aerial | 4% (hit 1), 13% (hit 2) | Sonic flips upside down and performs an upwards scissors kick. One of his stronger aerial attacks. | ||
Down aerial | 10% (early hit), 9% (fall) | Sonic stalls for a brief moment, then shoots downwards foot first, via a stall-then-fall move. The move's initial hitbox can spike opponents. Based on the Stomp Dive from Sonic the Fighters and the Sonic Rocket move from Sonic Battle. | ||
Grab | — | |||
Pummel | 3% | Knees the opponent. | ||
Forward throw | 3% (hit 1), 6% (throw) | Sonic kicks the opponent forward. Based on the Top Kick move from Sonic Battle. | ||
Back throw | 8% | Sonic performs a high speed multi-flip version of the tomoe nage, a Judo throw. Deals decent knockback. | ||
Up throw | 3% (hit 1), 5% (throw) | Sonic throws the opponent up and sharpens his quills to stab the opponent. An excellent combo starter. | ||
Down throw | 1% (hits 1-3), 5% (throw) | Sonic pins the opponent on the ground to spin-grind on top of them. Based on the Double Spin move from Sonic the Fighters. | ||
Floor attack (front) | 6% | Does a quick spinball sweep. | ||
Floor attack (back) | 6% | Does a quick foot sweep. | ||
Floor attack (trip) | 5% | Does a spin kick while getting up. | ||
Edge attack (fast) | 8% | Gets up onto the stage with a spinball attack. | ||
Edge attack (slow) | 4% (hit 1), 8% (hit 2) | Sonic slowly climbs up and kicks forward twice. This is the only edge attack move that can hit twice. | ||
Neutral special | Homing Attack / Blast Attack | 8% | Sonic curls up into a spiky ball while ascending, aims for the nearest target, then crashes into them. He'll perform a pose if he hits. If he fails to aquire a target and doesn't hit a wall or some other obstruction, Sonic will become helpless. Based on the move of the same name from Sonic Adventure. | |
Side special | Somersault | 4% (startup), 8% (jump), 1% (rolling hits) Slide kick: 9% (clean), 6% (late) |
Sonic leaps a small distance in the air while in ball form, then performs a couple of somersault when he lands. This move can be linked into a sliding kick or canceled by jumping, making it a powerful mix-up option. Based on the move of the same name from Sonic Adventure 2. | |
Up special | Spring Jump | 4% | Summons out a spring from the Sonic the Hedgehog games and uses it to leap into the air. The spring acts as a projectile when used in mid-air. Useful for both recovery and edge-guarding. All of Sonic's momentum is reset when the using the spring. He can't use special moves again until returning to the ground, getting hit, or getting grabbed. | |
Down special | Spin Charge | 1% (charging hits), 6-11% (dash), 4% (jump) | Sonic curls himself into a spiky ball and dashes forward. This move can be charged by rapidly pressing the special button while holding down, making it both faster and stronger. Unlike in Brawl, this move cannot be charged infinitely. Based on the iconic Spin Dash that first appeared in Sonic the Hedgehog 2. | |
Final smash | Super Sonic | 18% (startup), 16% (ram) | Transforms into Super Sonic, from the Sonic the Hedgehog games. The player can use the control stick or other movement buttons to make him fly in any direction they choose and ram into other foes. The transformation lasts for about 15 seconds. Ending the transformation while airborne will cause Sonic to become helpless. |
In competitive play[edit]
Most historically significant players[edit]
See also: Category:Sonic players (PM)
- Aion - Formerly ranked 3rd on the SoCal Power Rankings and is an Honorable Mention on PMRank 2017. Has notable wins over Sosa and Jose V. Placed 13th at Low Tier City 5 and 33rd at Smash 'N' Splash 4.
- SipMastah - Ranked #9 on PMRank 2022 and ranked 3rd on the NorCal Power Rankings. Co-mains Sonic with Meta Knight and Lucario.
- Motobug - Ranked #30 on PMRank 2023 co-maining Sonic and Knuckles. 4th on the Massachusetts Power Rankings. Placed 13th at The Encore, 7th at Resting Stitch Face 2, and 2nd at Invincible 5.
- Scarfy - Formerly ranked 41st on PMRank 2018. Placed 17th at The Bigger Balc, 3rd at Tipped Off 12, 9th at SuperNova 2, 17th at Low Tier City 5, and 9th at Smash 'N' Splash 4.
- Star - Best Australian Sonic main, now dual mains with Ike. Ranked 3rd on the Australian Project M Power Rankings. Placed 33rd at Smash 'N' Splash 3.
- Wyld - Formerly ranked #34 on PMRank 2019 and 2nd on the Illinois Power Rankings. Placed 25th at Smash 'N' Splash 4 and 9th at Frozen Phoenix 2019.
Alternate costumes[edit]
Project M[edit]
Sonic's colours have been changed to be significantly more obvious, improving his readbility in team battles. The non-default colours are all references to other Sonic characters, while his alternate costume is based on Beat, a character from another series that was created by SEGA, Jet Set Radio.
- Blue
- Red, a generic red costume that was planned to become a Dr. Eggman reference prior to Project M's development ending.
- Purple, a generic purple costume.
- Green, a generic green costume that was planned to become a Jet the Hawk costume prior to Project M's development ending.
- Black, a reference to Shadow the Hedgehog
- Yellow, a reference to Miles "Tails" Prower
- Grey, a reference to Silver the Hedgehog
- An alternate costume based on Beat from Jet Set Radio.
Project+[edit]
In Project+, his Jet Set Radio costume receives a set of recolors for Team Battles, which are based on Gum, Cube, and Mew. He also receives a new alternate costume based on his Racing Suit from Sonic Adventure 2: Battle. His third costume set, Sega Kid Sonic, is based on artwork from Yuji Uekawa that imagined Sonic as a human boy. For this set, the red costume resembles Amy Rose; the green costume resembles Surge the Tenrec, a character from the IDW comic series; and the blue resembles the color of Sonic in the Adventure series games.
Secret costumes:
Z-Secret Costume: Sonic Adventure design
R-Secret Costume: Sonic the Werehog from Sonic Unleashed
Trivia[edit]
- One of the poses Sonic performs when using the Homing Attack shows a strong resemblance to his pose in the box art of Sonic Adventure.
- Jet Set Radio composer Hideki Naganuma has expressed approval of Sonic's Beat Costume.
External links[edit]
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