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== Discussion from Smasher== | |||
===Moving Beta Over?=== | |||
Anyone else agree [[Template:Smasherbeta]] is now good enough to be moved here? - [[User:Ashran111|Ashran111]] ([[User talk:Ashran111|talk]]) 21:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
What are we supposed to put for "Skill"? [[User:Schweppes|Schweppes]] 21:47, January 10, 2007 (GMT) | |||
: Pro, amateur, beginner and so on. I'm not vey "smashy" so I don't really know what to put in a template like this. – [[User:AltAcnt|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:AltAcnt|talk]]</small> 15:46, January 11, 2007 (GMT) | |||
===Skill level?=== | |||
<s>As well as main, I believe secondary, or alternate, should be in there as well. Also, I disagree with using a "skill" rating/ranking. Certainly there should be panel rankings, but not a skill level. It's so easy to tamper with and "blow up" one's skill. [[User:Oddeven2002|Oddeven2002]] 01:30, January 11, 2007 (GMT)</s> | |||
:: I see now that second and third mains are in there already, just not on the template example, my bad. [[User:Oddeven2002|Oddeven2002]] 02:22, January 11, 2007 (GMT) | |||
: And when can we get to applying these to player pages? [[User:Oddeven2002|Oddeven2002]] 01:39, January 11, 2007 (GMT) | |||
:: If I can't possibly be more annoying as it is, I have a problem with the "skill" ranking idea. There isn't a standardization on skill level, so we can't compare it to anything. I completely disagree with it as it stands now. We shouldn't apply these JUST yet, not untill we can all agree on "skill" level. [[User:Oddeven2002|Oddeven2002]] 13:04, January 11, 2007 (GMT) | |||
::: '''Stop!''' Stop applying these untill we have a standard code and level! What does everyone have to compare to? We can NOT start applying these untill we have something decided on. How easy would it would it be for someone who was unskilled to label themselves as highly skilled? | |||
:::: If there is any way to make "skill" optional, that would be best for now. --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 04:14, January 14, 2007 (GMT) | |||
:::: Yeah, just omit it for a while, at least until we can figure out what to do with it.--[[User:Respawn|Respawn]] 04:55, January 14, 2007 (GMT) | |||
::::: Untill something that really allows smashers to play together without prior meditation, such as playing online, if that ever happens, we can't really refine nor define skill sharp enough to make a scale or rating system of anysort. I appologise if I sounded a little bit upset up there when I requested to stop. It could have gotten out of hand VERY quickly if it didn't stop soon. My final point is: Leave the skill level alone, perhaps even the entire template, untill we can really nail something solid down. [[User:Oddeven2002|Oddeven2002]] 04:59, January 14, 2007 (GMT) | |||
How about the CPU level the player can comfortably beat. This provides a 1-9 scale. [[User:ScoreCounter|ScoreCounter]] ([[User talk:ScoreCounter|talk]]) 14:55, 30 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Any competitive player that has some sort of worth will be able to beat any cpu of any level. Hell, even casuals can beat up level nines with no problem. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:01, 30 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Plus, one's skill level is relative to how they perform against other players. How you do against cpus is irrelevant. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:02, 30 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
===Designs/Future designs=== | |||
I think it should have a border. It fits in a bit messy as it is, and I think a border would help define it and make it stand out better. And maybe a different color for the headline too, but I don't know what color would be better. [[User:Delphiki|Bean]] 07:29, January 11, 2007 (GMT) | |||
:I agree. For the border, a standard gray border like the one for the characters would fit nicely, 1-2px. For the headline color, I think a dark blue would work, something around #1874cd. Or perhaps just black. But I'm just speaking my opinion.--[[User:Respawn|Respawn]] 14:50, January 11, 2007 (GMT) | |||
:: Take any colour, I phail at colouring templates. – [[User:AltAcnt|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:AltAcnt|talk]]</small> 15:46, January 11, 2007 (GMT) | |||
:::I changed it to #1b3f8b, I think it fits the SmashWiki color scheme. Looking back at #1874cd, it was too light. I also added a 1px border, I think that it works well. If not, you can just change it.--[[User:Respawn|Respawn]] 13:51, January 12, 2007 (GMT) | |||
::::A line for the Smasher's photo would be helpful too. --[[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] 00:33, January 14, 2007 (GMT) | |||
::::: There is a line for the photo, it can be used in stead of banner. – [[User:AltAcnt|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:AltAcnt|talk]]</small> 09:31, January 14, 2007 (GMT) | |||
Why were several categories removed? They do no harm, and players can include more information about themselves if they'd like. I see no reason why they were deleting. -- [[User:Delphiki|Bean]] 03:12, January 14, 2007 (GMT) | |||
: Because they weren't smash related, and can be put in the rest of the page. Should we put 'em back? – [[User:AltAcnt|Smiddle]] / <small>[[User talk:AltAcnt|talk]]</small> 09:32, January 14, 2007 (GMT) | |||
:"Age" is one that we should have for sure. -- [[User:Randall00|Randall00]] 17:26, February 7, 2007 (GMT) | |||
:: I don't see a reason for that. {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 17:49, February 7, 2007 (GMT) | |||
:::Well, these are all pseudo-biographies of Smashers. Obviously it wouldn't be a mandatory field, but it's the kind of information that people will want to know. Suppressing desire for knowledge is very anti-encyclopedic in general. Even if there wasn't a good reason, I'd be questioning ''why not'' beforehand. -- [[User:Randall00|Randall00]] 17:54, February 7, 2007 (GMT) | |||
::::We cannot do major changes to this since it is used widely, and it would be too much to change. {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 20:25, February 8, 2007 (GMT) | |||
:::::I can. :^) Of course, I would prefer to be doing it with community approval rather than discouragement, but I suppose you can't win them all. -- [[User:Randall00|Randall00]] 17:52, February 12, 2007 (GMT) | |||
== Old stuff == | == Old stuff == | ||
I think it would be better to discuss the smasher template rather than creating new ones. {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 19:00, February 7, 2007 (GMT) | I think it would be better to discuss the smasher template rather than creating new ones. {{User:AltAcnt/sig}} 19:00, February 7, 2007 (GMT) | ||
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== Now supports Brawl chars == | == Now supports Brawl chars == | ||
{{ | {{Infobox Smasher|mainssbb=Fox|mainssbm=Fox|2ndmainssbb=Falco}} | ||
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Also removed the "third other" from the template. I saw little use for people to be able to add 5 characters (might as well add them all, 10 with brawl included). | Also removed the "third other" from the template. I saw little use for people to be able to add 5 characters (might as well add them all, 10 with brawl included). | ||
Sample code: <tt><nowiki>{{ | Sample code: <tt><nowiki>{{Infobox Smasher|mainssbb=Fox|mainssbm=Fox}}</nowiki></tt> shows the box to the right. | ||
I don't really want to add documentation on this atm, so if someone could see to that? --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] | [http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Sky2042 w]) 00:33, February 20, 2008 (EST) | I don't really want to add documentation on this atm, so if someone could see to that? --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] | [http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Sky2042 w]) 00:33, February 20, 2008 (EST) | ||
:Tempting, though there is some more advanced coding in the works to help curb this issue. --<font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''</sup> 23:37, February 20, 2008 (EST) | |||
::The issue of using [[template:if]]? If so, I'm the one that poked KK about it. :P --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] | [http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Sky2042 w]) 23:41, February 20, 2008 (EST) | |||
:::I don't think so, no, but it will feed off of multiple templates and I wouldn't rule that one out. --<font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''</sup> 23:49, February 20, 2008 (EST) | |||
::::Well, that was ambiguous. Send me a PM about it or something. :) --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] | [http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Sky2042 w]) 00:25, February 21, 2008 (EST) | |||
::::Huh. Obviously the skin was changed, but how did this specific template change colors? :o --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] | [http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Sky2042 w]) 03:04, February 21, 2008 (EST) | |||
:::::The wiki pulls style elements from the back end CSS code that can occasionally "out-prioritize" those found in user-submitted modifications when using certain browsers. While I'm at work, Internet Explorer has surprisingly inconsistent colour schemes, but I have never had a problem with Firefox at home. --<font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''</sup> 16:18, February 21, 2008 (EST) | |||
::::::Once again, I understand. Template:If does have strange behaviour when comparing IE vs FF. I'll peak into the code of this template, see if I can fix coloring issues. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] | [http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Sky2042 w]) 18:16, February 23, 2008 (EST) | |||
== Categories == | |||
can we use <nowiki>#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}</nowiki> to place all smasher pages in the main namespace to be in "Category:Smasher pages in wrong namespace" or something? [[User:LoganA|Logan]] - <small>([[User talk:LoganA|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> [[Special:Contributions/LoganA|Contributions]])</small> 01:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
:We can indeed! I'll do that tonight in about an hour and a half. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 02:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
::Hmm... there's going to be a few smashers in the main space, such as Ken. What then? I can use a #switch, but I'm hesitant with certain parsers, and that's one of them. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 04:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::What if we add a notable pram along with checking the namespace? If notable=yes then "Category: Notable Smashers, if notable=no or nothing then "Category:Non-notable Smasher pages in wrong namespace", would that work? Then the bot only needs to move the non-notable pages. [[User:LoganA|Logan]] - <small>([[User talk:LoganA|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;"> ·</span> [[Special:Contributions/LoganA|Contributions]])</small> 12:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
::::Then we have the same issue we have currently with people telling others they're better than they really are. Hrm. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 22:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Proposed removal of Brawl code == | |||
Due to [[SW:UTPG]] and [[SW:NOT]], I think it would be beneficial to remove the brawl code section, because less people will approach with "Hey wanna brawl? I already have you in."'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 00:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Why is this fully protected? == | |||
I was about to put in some new code as discussed on [[User talk:Toomai#Thanks|my talk page]] before discovering that the page is fully protected. The protection reason is given as "saving the job queue". What's that mean? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 21:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Got me. Lowering to semi-protected. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="khaki">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="khaki">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
== O_o == | |||
This template as well as the cleanup one (and presumably others) are not displaying properly. Anyone know what caused this and/or how to fix it? [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:09, March 3, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I'm not seeing whatever you're seeing. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 23:07, March 3, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Wikia must've fixed it already. Nvm then. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:17, March 3, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Deceased smashers== | |||
How do we display the age of deceased smashers ([[KishCubed]], for example)? Showing how old they ''would'' be if they were alive seems quite unreasonable. <sup>Smiddle </sup>[[User:Smiddle|君怒る]][[user talk:Smiddle|?]] 13:01, 9 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Thats what I was wondering too. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''ZoOm!'' 13:08, 9 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Well, currently this template uses {{t|DoB}} to determine an age, so this template would have to give DoB a deathdate. DoB is not currently configured for this, though the calculation template that it uses ({{t|Age}}) does. The main problem is that if we don't know the exact birthdate and exact deathdate (as is the case for KishCubed), it would have to be done manually, which means adding a new row to this template that allows a manual age without declaring the article deprecated. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Steppin' 13:41, 9 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Just use the old birthdate parameter... :/ '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 07:29, 3 November 2011 (EDT) | |||
==N64== | |||
The N64 was a console, not a video game. We don't call ''Melee'' "GCN", or ''Brawl'' "Wii", cos that would be dumb. Nor do we call them "SSBM GCN" or "SSBB Wii", cos that too would be dumb. Instead, we call them ''SSBM''/''Melee'' and ''SSBB''/''Brawl''. Why can't we just call ''SSB'' "''SSB''"? '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 07:29, 3 November 2011 (EDT) | |||
:I think SSB64 should be the name used, though I agree with N64 being nonsensical. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:28, 3 November 2011 (EDT) | |||
::Why SSB64? Why not just ''SSB''? We call the series ''Smash'', so there's no confusion, and all the character article titles are in the format "Character (SSB)", so it's just inconsistent to call it anything other than ''SSB'' elsewhere... '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 13:03, 3 November 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::<s>SSB64 is certainly a [[SW:OFFICIAL|common name]], so it is fine to include it. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 20:28, 3 November 2011 (EDT)</s> | |||
:::Whoops, I misread your post, not seeing that you were only talking about context of Smasherbeta. Yeah, SSB should be fine. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 20:33, 3 November 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::Consider how the smasher namespace has a bit more of a SmashBoards vocabulary though; using 64 in the name of the game is basically ubiquitous over there. Not agreeing either way just pointing something out. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Keymaster 21:14, 3 November 2011 (EDT) | |||
==Captions== | |||
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Would it be possible to add captions to this? I gave an example using infobox. But then we couldn't use this. [[User:Nocturnal Dragon|Nocturnal Dragon]] ([[User talk:Nocturnal Dragon|talk]]) 22:13, 15 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Standardization of inputs == | |||
I think we need to smack this with the deprecation hammer again: | |||
* <code>main</code>, <code>2ndmain</code>, <code>other</code>, and <code>2ndother</code> need to have <code>ssbm</code> stuck on the end. | |||
* <code>doublesmain</code> should be <code>doublesmainssbb</code>; <code>doublesmainssb</code> and <code>doublesmainssbm</code> need to be added. | |||
That's the bare minimum as I can see, but is there anything else that we can use this as an opportunity to change? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Pan-Galactic 14:44, 14 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Bumping this. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Ghostbuster 09:09, 17 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
::I'd suggest adding the caption feature as suggested by Nocturnal Dragon in the talk post above this one. --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 11:05, 17 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:::All of the above suggestions by Toom and Rei have my support. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:09, 19 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:::I totally agree with you guys. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Safari]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 18:15, 19 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
There are two things I think should be added: | |||
#A slot for a player's ELO rating. ELO ratings for Melee players can be found on [[SSBPD]], and Brawl players can be found on [http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=262480 this thread]. For Brawl, a separate ranking for MK legal and banned will be needed. | |||
#A slot for the total amount of money a player has won from verifiable tournaments. While we realistically cannot provide an accurate amount in the smasher space's current condition, once we manage to get full results on a player, we can put on a good estimation. If this idea is implemented, perhaps we should have a slot for each Smash game? (For those that play multiple Smash games competitively). | |||
These things will compliment the "skill" listing, and help readers get a quick idea of how successful the player is in competitive play. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:30, 19 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
I agree with OT. [[User:Bandit|<font style='font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(351.25,100%,50%)'>Bandit</font>]] 23:25, 19 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:As do I. '''[[User:DarkFox01|<font color="black">DarkFox01</font>]], <small>[[Special:Editcount/DarkFox01|<font color="darkred">E</font>]][[User talk:DarkFox01|<font color="gray">T</font>]][[Special:Contributions/DarkFox01|<font color="red">C</font>]].'''</small> 12:10, 29 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
Is There anyone who could add these suggestions?[[User:Nocturnal Dragon|Nocturnal Dragon]] ([[User talk:Nocturnal Dragon|talk]]) 23:12, 29 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:I'm waiting to see if there are any other ideas or objections so they can all get done at once. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Celeritous 23:14, 29 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
Okay, well if no one else comes up with anything in a short time, the requested additions will be made alongside the original deprecations. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Incomperable 21:23, 2 October 2012 (EDT) | |||
==Gender== | |||
We need a gender section to represent each user/smasher as a male/female. Should we start a vote on this? [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]] 15:55, 20 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:No we don't, it's not important nor interesting at all, and will be obvious from either the infobox picture, the name, and/or the pronouns used within the article. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:05, 20 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
Let's do some voting! [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]] 16:44, 25 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Many things do not need explicit voting, this is one of them. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Hammer 17:07, 25 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
I think everyone can tell if a smasher is male or female so no need. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Safari]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 09:34, 30 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Stop making useless posts that just repeat what someone else already said in a more vague and less explicative manner. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:40, 30 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
::Sorry. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Safari]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 10:01, 30 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:::I don't think this was entirely useless, The Awesome was encouraging responses, so Dots provided. Other users may not have felt voting was necessary, but The Awesome wanted it, and got one. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 13:12, 30 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
::::Awesome saying "we should have a vote" does not mean you should post something when you have nothing to say, and it is useless when your statement just reiterates what someone else already said in a more vague and less explicative manner (something Dots has been warned many times to stop doing). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:02, 30 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
Not to mention that, like, 95% of the Smashers who have articles on this Wiki are male. The female ones get <nowiki>[[:Category:Female smashers|a category to themselves]]</nowiki>. <span style="font-family:Minya Nouvelle">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 10:16, 30 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Low tier main == | |||
Should a parameter showing people's low tier mains be added? [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 11:50, 8 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
:I don't think it's necessary, as few players have a bonafide "low tier main", and low tier tournaments aren't common enough for players' low tier mains to be prominent. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:56, 8 September 2013 (EDT) |
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Discussion from Smasher
Moving Beta Over?
Anyone else agree Template:Smasherbeta is now good enough to be moved here? - Ashran111 (talk) 21:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
What are we supposed to put for "Skill"? Schweppes 21:47, January 10, 2007 (GMT)
- Pro, amateur, beginner and so on. I'm not vey "smashy" so I don't really know what to put in a template like this. – Smiddle / talk 15:46, January 11, 2007 (GMT)
Skill level?
As well as main, I believe secondary, or alternate, should be in there as well. Also, I disagree with using a "skill" rating/ranking. Certainly there should be panel rankings, but not a skill level. It's so easy to tamper with and "blow up" one's skill. Oddeven2002 01:30, January 11, 2007 (GMT)
- I see now that second and third mains are in there already, just not on the template example, my bad. Oddeven2002 02:22, January 11, 2007 (GMT)
- And when can we get to applying these to player pages? Oddeven2002 01:39, January 11, 2007 (GMT)
- If I can't possibly be more annoying as it is, I have a problem with the "skill" ranking idea. There isn't a standardization on skill level, so we can't compare it to anything. I completely disagree with it as it stands now. We shouldn't apply these JUST yet, not untill we can all agree on "skill" level. Oddeven2002 13:04, January 11, 2007 (GMT)
- Stop! Stop applying these untill we have a standard code and level! What does everyone have to compare to? We can NOT start applying these untill we have something decided on. How easy would it would it be for someone who was unskilled to label themselves as highly skilled?
- If there is any way to make "skill" optional, that would be best for now. --MaskedMarth 04:14, January 14, 2007 (GMT)
- Stop! Stop applying these untill we have a standard code and level! What does everyone have to compare to? We can NOT start applying these untill we have something decided on. How easy would it would it be for someone who was unskilled to label themselves as highly skilled?
- If I can't possibly be more annoying as it is, I have a problem with the "skill" ranking idea. There isn't a standardization on skill level, so we can't compare it to anything. I completely disagree with it as it stands now. We shouldn't apply these JUST yet, not untill we can all agree on "skill" level. Oddeven2002 13:04, January 11, 2007 (GMT)
- Yeah, just omit it for a while, at least until we can figure out what to do with it.--Respawn 04:55, January 14, 2007 (GMT)
- Untill something that really allows smashers to play together without prior meditation, such as playing online, if that ever happens, we can't really refine nor define skill sharp enough to make a scale or rating system of anysort. I appologise if I sounded a little bit upset up there when I requested to stop. It could have gotten out of hand VERY quickly if it didn't stop soon. My final point is: Leave the skill level alone, perhaps even the entire template, untill we can really nail something solid down. Oddeven2002 04:59, January 14, 2007 (GMT)
How about the CPU level the player can comfortably beat. This provides a 1-9 scale. ScoreCounter (talk) 14:55, 30 August 2012 (EDT)
- Any competitive player that has some sort of worth will be able to beat any cpu of any level. Hell, even casuals can beat up level nines with no problem. Omega Tyrant 15:01, 30 August 2012 (EDT)
- Plus, one's skill level is relative to how they perform against other players. How you do against cpus is irrelevant. Omega Tyrant 15:02, 30 August 2012 (EDT)
Designs/Future designs
I think it should have a border. It fits in a bit messy as it is, and I think a border would help define it and make it stand out better. And maybe a different color for the headline too, but I don't know what color would be better. Bean 07:29, January 11, 2007 (GMT)
- I agree. For the border, a standard gray border like the one for the characters would fit nicely, 1-2px. For the headline color, I think a dark blue would work, something around #1874cd. Or perhaps just black. But I'm just speaking my opinion.--Respawn 14:50, January 11, 2007 (GMT)
- I changed it to #1b3f8b, I think it fits the SmashWiki color scheme. Looking back at #1874cd, it was too light. I also added a 1px border, I think that it works well. If not, you can just change it.--Respawn 13:51, January 12, 2007 (GMT)
- A line for the Smasher's photo would be helpful too. --MaskedMarth 00:33, January 14, 2007 (GMT)
Why were several categories removed? They do no harm, and players can include more information about themselves if they'd like. I see no reason why they were deleting. -- Bean 03:12, January 14, 2007 (GMT)
- Because they weren't smash related, and can be put in the rest of the page. Should we put 'em back? – Smiddle / talk 09:32, January 14, 2007 (GMT)
- "Age" is one that we should have for sure. -- Randall00 17:26, February 7, 2007 (GMT)
- I don't see a reason for that. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 17:49, February 7, 2007 (GMT)
- Well, these are all pseudo-biographies of Smashers. Obviously it wouldn't be a mandatory field, but it's the kind of information that people will want to know. Suppressing desire for knowledge is very anti-encyclopedic in general. Even if there wasn't a good reason, I'd be questioning why not beforehand. -- Randall00 17:54, February 7, 2007 (GMT)
- We cannot do major changes to this since it is used widely, and it would be too much to change. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 20:25, February 8, 2007 (GMT)
- I can. :^) Of course, I would prefer to be doing it with community approval rather than discouragement, but I suppose you can't win them all. -- Randall00 17:52, February 12, 2007 (GMT)
- We cannot do major changes to this since it is used widely, and it would be too much to change. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 20:25, February 8, 2007 (GMT)
- Well, these are all pseudo-biographies of Smashers. Obviously it wouldn't be a mandatory field, but it's the kind of information that people will want to know. Suppressing desire for knowledge is very anti-encyclopedic in general. Even if there wasn't a good reason, I'd be questioning why not beforehand. -- Randall00 17:54, February 7, 2007 (GMT)
- I don't see a reason for that. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 17:49, February 7, 2007 (GMT)
Old stuff
I think it would be better to discuss the smasher template rather than creating new ones. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 19:00, February 7, 2007 (GMT)
- This is why nothing's getting done on SmashWiki--everyone's so hung up on discussing things before implementing them that nothing is getting done. Everyone's been "discussing" ideas for policies and standardization across the whole wiki for a long time now. I've decided to skip the bureaucracy and take action for a change. --Randall00 17:56, February 8, 2007 (GMT)
- In an infobox there should only be facts related to the subject as a smasher. Age, nationality, and other stuff doesn't quite define that. Also, I think that not all the info should be in a box, some can be in the article. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 20:18, February 8, 2007 (GMT)
- I'm not sure how that became the standard criteria. This is the Community section of SmashWiki after all. The demographics of the community and geographical locations of the various hubs that keep it alive are both pieces of information that people will want to know (and need to know if they want to participate as well). As with most stylistic elements of articles, the info can be presented both in the infobox and then, in greater detail, in the body of the article itself without too much community dissent. -- Randall00 17:50, February 12, 2007 (GMT)
- In an infobox there should only be facts related to the subject as a smasher. Age, nationality, and other stuff doesn't quite define that. Also, I think that not all the info should be in a box, some can be in the article. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 20:18, February 8, 2007 (GMT)
PNG > GIF
I think we should have PNGs rather than GIFs because PNGs hav ethe possibility to carry more colours, and it's a lot easier to convert GIFs/JPGs to PNGs than converting PNGs/JPGs to GIFs for people without the correct software. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 18:26, February 12, 2007 (GMT)
- You're referring to the flags? Hmm, it might be a good idea, I just figured that GIFs were fairly standardized across the board now and for such a small incidental graphic, I just picked the first flags I could find regardless of format or colour compatibility. I'll do a bit of hunting for flags in PNG format and maybe come up with the initiative to convert the existing ones, et al. :^) -- Randall00 20:53, February 12, 2007 (GMT)
Appearance
I don't know how it appears on other browsers, but on Firefox at least, the background on which the name appears has very little contrast with the font color itself. I have a lot of trouble reading Jeff "Sgt. Saturn" without highlighting the text. I'm not sure where to change the colors to fix this problem. – MaskedMarth (t c) 18:11, February 15, 2007 (GMT)
- The font color works just fine in IE, but remains dark in Firefox. I'll reverse the bg and the font colors (if I can find which ones work). – MaskedMarth (t c) 18:13, February 15, 2007 (GMT)
- That is bizarre. I noticed that when I got home from work and opened up FireFox to find the colours a little wonky. hrmm...I guess I'll toy with that at home. --Randall00 18:50, February 15, 2007 (GMT)
Text recolouring doesn't seem to work well in FireFox. My sig, for example, is ugly in MFF but looks great in IE. – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 15:31, February 16, 2007 (GMT)
A small problem
Is there any way that a second alias box could be created which would add another box to the template, in addition to the one that would add them to the title? -- Bean 00:18, February 19, 2007 (GMT)
- I'm not quite sure what you mean. You mean moving the alias field into a new box or copying it into a new box? -- Randall00 15:15, February 22, 2007 (GMT)
Suggestion
Might I suggest a Past Crews box? Many notable players and others who have been in the community a long time have been in several crews. This would help people get a glimpse of someone's crew history. -- Bean 01:15, February 27, 2007 (GMT)
- Consider this a bump ^_^. I would really like to see this implemented. Also, what is the general trend on editing templates which aren't your own? -- Bean 22:10, April 4, 2007 (GMT)
- Ah ok. I'll probably get around to it tomorrow, provided I remember. ^_^ -- Bean 05:51, April 5, 2007 (GMT)
Characters
Could you unlink the main characters? They often link to disambig pages (like Captain Falcon instead of Captain Falcon (SSBM)) and it's troublesome to say "miscellaneous" or "every other character" (in Azen Zagenite's case). – MaskedMarth (t c) 14:44, March 2, 2007 (GMT)
Former crews
Why can't this just go into the 'crews' field? – Smiddle ( Talk • Conts ) 22:00, April 5, 2007 (GMT)
This things cool
Just wanted to give you props for making this. It's really nice how it makes all the pages look neat and professional. -ToXn- 17:02, May 6, 2007 (GMT)
Unordered Lists...not working?
When I first built this template, I did a bunch of tests and came up with a bunch of results. Typically an asterisk (*) will produce an unordered list in the marked-up final product. Previously, I had it set up so that smashers that were in multiple crews would be able to place an asterisk before the crew name and have each crew listed with its own bullet vertically down the table. Now it doesn't work anymore....does anybody know why? Or was I dreaming when I did my initial tests? I'm pretty sure I even HAVE an article that I wrote in this database somewhere that has two crews displayed in that way, but I couldn't find it just speed-reading the contributions page. -- Randall00 Talk 17:41, June 18, 2007 (EDT)
3rd Main
I've been trying to add a third man, but template 3rdmain doesn't work. Is there a way to get it to work=??? [Johnknight1] 11:33 7 October (PCT)
Now supports Brawl chars
Infobox Smasher/Archive 1 | |
---|---|
Character info | |
Melee main | Fox |
Brawl mains | Fox, Falco |
With the parameters of
mainssbb, 2ndmainssbb, otherssbb, 2ndotherssbb.
Also removed the "third other" from the template. I saw little use for people to be able to add 5 characters (might as well add them all, 10 with brawl included).
Sample code: {{Infobox Smasher|mainssbb=Fox|mainssbm=Fox}} shows the box to the right.
I don't really want to add documentation on this atm, so if someone could see to that? --Sky (t | c | w) 00:33, February 20, 2008 (EST)
- Tempting, though there is some more advanced coding in the works to help curb this issue. --RJM Talk 23:37, February 20, 2008 (EST)
- The issue of using template:if? If so, I'm the one that poked KK about it. :P --Sky (t | c | w) 23:41, February 20, 2008 (EST)
- I don't think so, no, but it will feed off of multiple templates and I wouldn't rule that one out. --RJM Talk 23:49, February 20, 2008 (EST)
- Well, that was ambiguous. Send me a PM about it or something. :) --Sky (t | c | w) 00:25, February 21, 2008 (EST)
- Huh. Obviously the skin was changed, but how did this specific template change colors? :o --Sky (t | c | w) 03:04, February 21, 2008 (EST)
- The wiki pulls style elements from the back end CSS code that can occasionally "out-prioritize" those found in user-submitted modifications when using certain browsers. While I'm at work, Internet Explorer has surprisingly inconsistent colour schemes, but I have never had a problem with Firefox at home. --RJM Talk 16:18, February 21, 2008 (EST)
- I don't think so, no, but it will feed off of multiple templates and I wouldn't rule that one out. --RJM Talk 23:49, February 20, 2008 (EST)
- The issue of using template:if? If so, I'm the one that poked KK about it. :P --Sky (t | c | w) 23:41, February 20, 2008 (EST)
Categories
can we use #ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}} to place all smasher pages in the main namespace to be in "Category:Smasher pages in wrong namespace" or something? Logan - (Talk · Contributions) 01:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- We can indeed! I'll do that tonight in about an hour and a half. --Sky (t · c · w) 02:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- What if we add a notable pram along with checking the namespace? If notable=yes then "Category: Notable Smashers, if notable=no or nothing then "Category:Non-notable Smasher pages in wrong namespace", would that work? Then the bot only needs to move the non-notable pages. Logan - (Talk · Contributions) 12:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Proposed removal of Brawl code
Due to SW:UTPG and SW:NOT, I think it would be beneficial to remove the brawl code section, because less people will approach with "Hey wanna brawl? I already have you in."Smoreking(T) (c) 00:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Why is this fully protected?
I was about to put in some new code as discussed on my talk page before discovering that the page is fully protected. The protection reason is given as "saving the job queue". What's that mean? Toomai Glittershine The Table Designer 21:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
O_o
This template as well as the cleanup one (and presumably others) are not displaying properly. Anyone know what caused this and/or how to fix it? Miles (talk) 22:09, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing whatever you're seeing. Toomai Glittershine eXemplary Logic 23:07, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
Deceased smashers
How do we display the age of deceased smashers (KishCubed, for example)? Showing how old they would be if they were alive seems quite unreasonable. Smiddle 君怒る? 13:01, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
- Well, currently this template uses {{DoB}} to determine an age, so this template would have to give DoB a deathdate. DoB is not currently configured for this, though the calculation template that it uses ({{Age}}) does. The main problem is that if we don't know the exact birthdate and exact deathdate (as is the case for KishCubed), it would have to be done manually, which means adding a new row to this template that allows a manual age without declaring the article deprecated. Toomai Glittershine The Steppin' 13:41, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
N64
The N64 was a console, not a video game. We don't call Melee "GCN", or Brawl "Wii", cos that would be dumb. Nor do we call them "SSBM GCN" or "SSBB Wii", cos that too would be dumb. Instead, we call them SSBM/Melee and SSBB/Brawl. Why can't we just call SSB "SSB"? PenguinofDeath 07:29, 3 November 2011 (EDT)
- I think SSB64 should be the name used, though I agree with N64 being nonsensical. Omega Tyrant 12:28, 3 November 2011 (EDT)
- Why SSB64? Why not just SSB? We call the series Smash, so there's no confusion, and all the character article titles are in the format "Character (SSB)", so it's just inconsistent to call it anything other than SSB elsewhere... PenguinofDeath 13:03, 3 November 2011 (EDT)
SSB64 is certainly a common name, so it is fine to include it. Mr. Anon talk 20:28, 3 November 2011 (EDT)- Whoops, I misread your post, not seeing that you were only talking about context of Smasherbeta. Yeah, SSB should be fine. Mr. Anon talk 20:33, 3 November 2011 (EDT)
- Consider how the smasher namespace has a bit more of a SmashBoards vocabulary though; using 64 in the name of the game is basically ubiquitous over there. Not agreeing either way just pointing something out. Toomai Glittershine The Keymaster 21:14, 3 November 2011 (EDT)
- Why SSB64? Why not just SSB? We call the series Smash, so there's no confusion, and all the character article titles are in the format "Character (SSB)", so it's just inconsistent to call it anything other than SSB elsewhere... PenguinofDeath 13:03, 3 November 2011 (EDT)
Captions
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Would it be possible to add captions to this? I gave an example using infobox. But then we couldn't use this. Nocturnal Dragon (talk) 22:13, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
Standardization of inputs
I think we need to smack this with the deprecation hammer again:
main
,2ndmain
,other
, and2ndother
need to havessbm
stuck on the end.doublesmain
should bedoublesmainssbb
;doublesmainssb
anddoublesmainssbm
need to be added.
That's the bare minimum as I can see, but is there anything else that we can use this as an opportunity to change? Toomai Glittershine The Pan-Galactic 14:44, 14 September 2012 (EDT)
- Bumping this. Toomai Glittershine The Ghostbuster 09:09, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
There are two things I think should be added:
- A slot for a player's ELO rating. ELO ratings for Melee players can be found on SSBPD, and Brawl players can be found on this thread. For Brawl, a separate ranking for MK legal and banned will be needed.
- A slot for the total amount of money a player has won from verifiable tournaments. While we realistically cannot provide an accurate amount in the smasher space's current condition, once we manage to get full results on a player, we can put on a good estimation. If this idea is implemented, perhaps we should have a slot for each Smash game? (For those that play multiple Smash games competitively).
These things will compliment the "skill" listing, and help readers get a quick idea of how successful the player is in competitive play. Omega Tyrant 19:30, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
I agree with OT. Bandit 23:25, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
Is There anyone who could add these suggestions?Nocturnal Dragon (talk) 23:12, 29 September 2012 (EDT)
- I'm waiting to see if there are any other ideas or objections so they can all get done at once. Toomai Glittershine The Celeritous 23:14, 29 September 2012 (EDT)
Okay, well if no one else comes up with anything in a short time, the requested additions will be made alongside the original deprecations. Toomai Glittershine The Incomperable 21:23, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
Gender
We need a gender section to represent each user/smasher as a male/female. Should we start a vote on this? The Awesome 15:55, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
- No we don't, it's not important nor interesting at all, and will be obvious from either the infobox picture, the name, and/or the pronouns used within the article. Omega Tyrant 16:05, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
Let's do some voting! The Awesome 16:44, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
- Many things do not need explicit voting, this is one of them. Toomai Glittershine The Hammer 17:07, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
I think everyone can tell if a smasher is male or female so no need. Dots The Safari 09:34, 30 September 2012 (EDT)
- Stop making useless posts that just repeat what someone else already said in a more vague and less explicative manner. Omega Tyrant 09:40, 30 September 2012 (EDT)
- Sorry. Dots The Safari 10:01, 30 September 2012 (EDT)
- I don't think this was entirely useless, The Awesome was encouraging responses, so Dots provided. Other users may not have felt voting was necessary, but The Awesome wanted it, and got one. Toast ltimatum 13:12, 30 September 2012 (EDT)
- Awesome saying "we should have a vote" does not mean you should post something when you have nothing to say, and it is useless when your statement just reiterates what someone else already said in a more vague and less explicative manner (something Dots has been warned many times to stop doing). Omega Tyrant 19:02, 30 September 2012 (EDT)
- I don't think this was entirely useless, The Awesome was encouraging responses, so Dots provided. Other users may not have felt voting was necessary, but The Awesome wanted it, and got one. Toast ltimatum 13:12, 30 September 2012 (EDT)
- Sorry. Dots The Safari 10:01, 30 September 2012 (EDT)
Not to mention that, like, 95% of the Smashers who have articles on this Wiki are male. The female ones get [[:Category:Female smashers|a category to themselves]]. RickTommy 10:16, 30 September 2012 (EDT)
Low tier main
Should a parameter showing people's low tier mains be added? Scr7 (talk · contribs) 11:50, 8 September 2013 (EDT)