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Administrators' noticeboard

When you report someone there, how does the admin get notified about the report so they can do something about it? -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 14:52, 28 January 2016 (EST)

I have the page on my watchlist and check for any edits to it in the Recent Changes. If you're referring to the specific instance you reported earlier today, I'd say SW:AGF applies. Miles (talk) 14:55, 28 January 2016 (EST)

Yep, I assumed good faith. So that's it then? -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 14:56, 28 January 2016 (EST)

Pretty much. Miles (talk) 15:02, 28 January 2016 (EST)

On another note, do you only have a 3DS or do you have a Wii U as well? Because you only list 3DS mains. Just curious. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 15:04, 28 January 2016 (EST)

3DS due to some practical limitations, although I have played the Wii U version as well at a friend's place. Miles (talk) 15:07, 28 January 2016 (EST)

LOL just like me! -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 15:08, 28 January 2016 (EST)

I'm worried about JesusWaluigi

What if he comes out of his 1 year ban to vandalize again. Should you ban him forever? If you deal with depression, play Smash! {Talk • Contributions) 23:45, 30 January 2016 (EST)

Kind of a weird thing to ask about out of the blue, but I'm not assuming long-banned vandals are likely to come back. If they do come back and do the same things, they'll be banned again. Also, your signature doesn't comply with SW:SIG. Miles (talk) 23:48, 30 January 2016 (EST)

Whoops!

It was my fault that the duplicate for Corrin's Classic Wii U screen was there. I should have looked before I added/unhid it. Thanks! Berrenta (talk) 16:43, 4 February 2016 (EST)

No worries. Miles (talk) 16:43, 4 February 2016 (EST)

Swagman

I kind of just told him that I'd take talk privs if he continued, just before you blocked... so how do you want to handle this? Serpent King 23:28, 6 February 2016 (EST)

He had been repeatedly informed that he was not using his talk page properly by you, Toom, DF, etc.; his continuous ignoring of such warnings led me to issue the extended block. I apologize for the simultaneous nature of our actions on the subject, but I think he had been issued more than sufficient warnings to justify taking action in response to him. Miles (talk) 23:38, 6 February 2016 (EST)

Not a problem, and fair enough. Serpent King 23:39, 6 February 2016 (EST)

GimR

Can I uplaod this image of him? The other one sure looks good, but this one is him in 2016, the other was him in 2015. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 17:31, 9 February 2016 (EST)

Inclined to say the current one is fine, since it's a) a more professional setting, and b) shows him wearing a VGBC-branded jacket. Also, it's been 2016 for less than a month and a half; it's not like 2015 pictures are horribly out of date or anything. Miles (talk) 17:35, 9 February 2016 (EST)

All right. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 17:36, 9 February 2016 (EST)

Hello

Can you please restore my SSBD hitmonchan page so i can copy it to here. Thanks! Poultry(talk) the fluffy 16:44, 10 February 2016 (EST)

and then delete when its done Poultry(talk) the fluffy 16:45, 10 February 2016 (EST)

Rather than un-deleting it and then deleting it again afterwards, I just dropped the code from its last revision in a pastebin here. Miles (talk) 16:51, 10 February 2016 (EST)

Thanks! Poultry(talk) the fluffy 16:52, 10 February 2016 (EST)

Dat ip you recently blocked...

To this policy, you don't block IPs for infinite. Penro ...that's all. 12:20, 12 February 2016 (EST)

I think after they do the same vandalism spree after being blocked for it four times that policy becomes less important. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by cupid♥. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 12:46, 12 February 2016 (EST)

Yeah, good point. I think I should propose the removal of that part. Penro ...that's all. 12:51, 12 February 2016 (EST)

As no one paid attention to this

I'm also summoning the amazing Ryan for this: some people made a page about the known YouTuber Lythero, who is known for the series Gossip For Glory and Grandstanding For Glory, which are also among the most viewed Smash videos alongside GRsmash's highlights and tops, and Alphafraud's How to Play and Story For Glory. The question for you both is the following: do you think Lee is worthy of a smasher page just like GR and Alpha have a smasher page in this wiki?? I hope to hear both of your replies. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 00:55, 17 February 2016 (EST)

I am honestly not really sure. Bring it up in a forum maybe. Serpent King 01:14, 17 February 2016 (EST)

I am the wrong person to ask about this, since this is a part of the community I am very, very uninvolved in and very uninformed about. Miles (talk) 01:21, 17 February 2016 (EST)

Yeah, ask like Jamal or someone. Serpent King 01:24, 17 February 2016 (EST)

Maybe having Jamal's opinion is the ideal thing then. I just hope he responds, he has not done it in a while. Thanks to both of you regardless. And sorry for wasting your time. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 01:32, 17 February 2016 (EST)

Talk pages that are no longer needed

[User talk:BeepYou/How did the shield mechanics in 1.1.0 and 1.1.1 changed characters? (Detailed)|These] [User talk:BeepYou/Prince Fluff (SSBD)|ones]. SK had deleted both of my userpages but he forgot to deleite their respective talk pages. Could you help me there? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 13:53, 20 February 2016 (EST)

Done. In the future, you can just tag those for speedy delete and they'll probably get dealt with pretty quickly. Miles (talk) 14:48, 20 February 2016 (EST)

Not that I have a problem with it, just that I love pointing out irony, but there's an image sitting in the speedy delete category right now that's been there all day, so... ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 15:01, 20 February 2016 (EST)

Because it's #1 in a batch job I haven't gotten around to yet. Miles (talk) 15:02, 20 February 2016 (EST)

Not to worry, just did it. Serpent King 21:05, 20 February 2016 (EST)

A bad joke, really bad

If you purchased the final dlc, make your mii gunner have the Miles "Tails" Prower costume. Get it? Tails's first name is miles, and that's your name!HAHAHAHA! Swagman, the Green Swordsman 20:22, 25 February 2016 (EST)

Improper usage of talk pages again. >_> Disaster Flare (talk) 20:23, 25 February 2016 (EST)

This is what, your fourth warning? Keep it up and you'll be blocked again. Serpent King 20:24, 25 February 2016 (EST)

Redirect

I wanna make "The FINAL Final Battle" redirect to this rather than this, but don't know how to do that. Can you help? Tepig (talk) 15:14, 29 February 2016 (EST)

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. "The FINAL Final Battle" isn't a redirect at the moment; it's the actual page title for the Wii U event. If you're trying to have a disambig for that analogous to the one for "The Final Battle", I'd point out that part of the reason that one exists is because it's linked from Final Battle, a tournament. Miles (talk) 15:24, 29 February 2016 (EST)

You see, what I meant is that searching for "The Final Battle" takes you to a disambiguation page for the events, but searching "The FINAL Final Battle" takes you to the page for the Wii U event, which creates an inconsistency, so I created the page "The FINAL Final Battle (disambiguation)" so that searching "The FINAL Final Battle" takes you there. Tepig (talk) 15:31, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Except searching for "The Final Battle" also takes you to the Wii U event. There's no inconsistency there that I'm seeing. Miles (talk) 15:33, 29 February 2016 (EST)

...Weird, I recalled there being an inconsistency. I guess you can ignore this then, but we should probably keep the page I created anyway, because if we removed it, then it would be an inconsistency. (We'd have "The Final Battle", "The Final Battle (disambiguation)" and "The FINAL Final Battle", but no "The FINAL Final Battle (disambiguation)". Welp. I can you can ignore this then. Sorry for wasting your time for nothing. :S Tepig (talk) 15:49, 29 February 2016 (EST)

It's an understandable thing to get confused about; it took me a bit to sort it all out myself. No worries. Miles (talk) 16:24, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Smasher Infobox

When you want to put a caption at the center instead of it starting at the left, what do you do? I tried <style="text-align:center> but it doesn't work. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 18:45, 29 February 2016 (EST)

First of all, it's actually <span style="text-align:center;">. Second, the caption (you are talking about the image caption, right?) is already centered by default. Serpent King 18:52, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Actually, Beep is right, SK. The Smasher infobox "caption" parameter yields a bolded caption aligned to the infobox's left. I'm not seeing an easy workaround on this, so I might just fiddle with the template's coding itself to try and make it cleaner-looking. Miles (talk) 18:55, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Thanks to you both. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 18:56, 29 February 2016 (EST)

OH YEAH, you're right. I got around this in my userspace infobox by using divs. Serpent King 18:57, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Try this: <div style="text-align: center;">Stuff</div> Serpent King 18:59, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Looks like I got it to be centered by default. Still not sure why it looks bold by default; anyone who can figure that out and fix it, be my guest. Miles (talk) 19:04, 29 February 2016 (EST)

IRC

Can we talk? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 19:21, 2 March 2016 (EST)

As far as I know, Miles never goes on IRC. Penro ...that's all. 19:23, 2 March 2016 (EST)

Things can suddenly change, who knows...? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 19:24, 2 March 2016 (EST)

No, like he hasn't touched IRC for 5 years, I think. Penro ...that's all. 19:26, 2 March 2016 (EST)

I don't use the IRC. I doubt the issue is anything you can't discuss publicly, especially if the subject is the recurring vandal I just blocked. Miles (talk) 19:28, 2 March 2016 (EST)

How do I create a redirect?

So yeah, I have a question. See the headline. Tepig (talk) 17:23, 5 March 2016 (EST)

Create a new page with the code #REDIRECT [[Whatever]], replacing "Whatever" with the target of the redirect. That's all there is to it. Miles (talk) 17:26, 5 March 2016 (EST)

Captain Falcon's F-Zero X artwork in Mario Kart 8

I thought that we count appearances if they actually appear in the game? It's Captain Falcon's artwork that appears in the game, not Captain Falcon himself. In a similar case, his costumes appear in Tekken, Mario Kart 8, and Super Mario Maker, and those don't count. I don't think an image should count as an "appearance" because that's not actually Captain Falcon himself, but an image of his F-Zero X artwork on a screen. If it weren't his artwork and was instead his character model doing things or something then I think it'd be safe to say it'd count. But artwork? That doesn't seem right. MuteSpittah (talk) 22:40, 7 March 2016 (EST)

Generally I've drawn the line between "image of the character" counting and "someone dressed as the character" not counting, although I'm open to being persuaded otherwise if you can get enough support for it. Miles (talk) 23:26, 7 March 2016 (EST)

Ok. I simply see this as common sense. In a sense, isn't a "costume" an image as well? An image can take on many forms. Like, a photo of a person, or a painting, or a 3-D replica, or a mask, or a costume, even a moving image such as a film/movie. In this light, costumes, photos, pictures, artwork, and the like - they're all images. I looked up the definition of "image" - a representation of the external form of a person or thing in art. In this case, in the Mute City track I think, you see an image of Captain Falcon, namely his F-Zero X artwork, on a screen. That's not Falcon himself, but his image projected there. Not even a photo, but an image of artwork of him. MuteSpittah (talk) 23:32, 7 March 2016 (EST)

As such, say Captain Falcon himself does appear on the screen - not as a photo, a piece of art, derived movie clip or animation, static diorama, etc. - but Captain Falcon himself, then yes, he appears in the game. But that's not the case - it's a projected image of him that is in Mario Kart 8. MuteSpittah (talk) 23:37, 7 March 2016 (EST)

And then you could say that if he himself does appear onscreen, that that's a projected image of him. And that gets funky because it's true, but it's not exactly in the same ways. But that may be getting too deep for the magnitude of this topic. MuteSpittah (talk) 23:41, 7 March 2016 (EST)

I know that I'll probably not getting any support from other users for this, likely because it's probably seen as extremely minor and inconsequential, but I care about semantic things such as this and am far more interested in giving a strong and convincing argument for this than gathering consensus. MuteSpittah (talk) 23:44, 7 March 2016 (EST)

That's not the way SmashWiki works. We are a consensus based wiki. A truly convincing argument will attract a consensus. Serpent King 23:50, 7 March 2016 (EST)

Of course I know that's not how SmashWiki works. But not all arguments attract a consensus due to how people deem the argument worth having. This is small, but Miles here cares about it and I do too. I bet you'd be hard-pressed to find someone else who actually cares about it, unless obviously you can prove me wrong. MuteSpittah (talk) 23:52, 7 March 2016 (EST)

Potential case in point: Serpent King, do you care about this, and if so do you care enough to take a side or provide any input for this, and if so, let's hear it? MuteSpittah (talk) 23:54, 7 March 2016 (EST)

Woah woah, let's not jump down my throat for pointing out the way SmashWiki works. It's true that I don't give a rats behind, though. Serpent King 23:59, 7 March 2016 (EST)

I'm not mad, don't worry. Such is the downfall of communication via the Internet. But, case in point. Lol. The reason why I said I don't care for consensus is that while I know SW is consensus-based, I know this won't attract much at all given its magnitude, hence I'm far more interested in having a discussion about it with reasonable arguments. May have seemed that I got heated with my wording because, I know SW is based on consensus, and you're like "SW is consensus" and it's like "I know duh." It's not like you'd know that I know so it's good. But, I would appreciate more input from other users since this is consensus-based. So I guess sure I'm interested in it. I guess I don't expect any lol MuteSpittah (talk) 00:10, 8 March 2016 (EST)

I don't know Miles, I think it's strange that things that I would hope to be considered common sense have to be determined by consensus. Maybe I'm the odd one out here. MuteSpittah (talk) 15:01, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Common sense is sometimes subjective. Also, for future reference: please try to condense your thoughts somewhat and think through what you want to say before immediately posting. Posting on a talk page 4 times within 15 minutes before anyone's responded just clutters things. Miles (talk) 17:15, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Ok. And I take it I'm not convincing you of anything? What are your thoughts? I see you've resorted to the "subjective" card but I've yet to hear a response on what you think. MuteSpittah (talk) 19:12, 8 March 2016 (EST)

What exactly would you like me to do in a situation where I have one opinion and you have another, and nobody else is commenting? Miles (talk) 19:17, 8 March 2016 (EST)

I don't know, have an exchange? Conversation? I said things and you have yet to respond to them? You said I was welcome to talk semantics. I said something, then you, then I, and now I'm waiting on you. I expected better from you in a talk regarding semantics than the "subjective" card.

Why draw the line between an image and a costume, when, as I've stated prior, they are both images of a character, just in different ways? I've given my reasons but I would like to hear yours. MuteSpittah (talk) 19:20, 8 March 2016 (EST)

The difference between "person dressed as someone" and "a picture of someone" seems pretty substantial to me. For example, I wouldn't count Bayonetta dressed as Link as "an appearance of Link" in the way I would an image of Link himself (even if it's just artwork). Miles (talk) 20:03, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Fair enough, but at the same time, both the costume and picture are physical representations of the character, not the character itself. MuteSpittah (talk) 02:39, 9 March 2016 (EST)

That still falls short of what I'm really trying to say, which is that artwork of a character appearing in a game doesn't mean that they actually appear in the game. Many badges depicting Nintendo characters appear in the Nintendo Badge arcade, but that doesn't count as an appearance. Why should MK8 be any different? MuteSpittah (talk) 02:47, 9 March 2016 (EST)

Again, the point is that anywhere we draw the line will be subjective and arbitrary. Unless anyone else voices an opinion, this isn't likely to go anywhere productive. Miles (talk) 03:18, 9 March 2016 (EST)

But that's not a solid reason. If it's so subjective and arbitrary, why do you yourself think that the way it was is the way it should be? If it's so subjective and arbitrary, what's wrong with me changing it to what I think is correct, or anyone for the matter? Because when I made the change, I saw it as a correction. But for some reason you saw that as not upholding consensus? When you pull the "subjective" card your whole point collapses. This vexes me. MuteSpittah (talk) 03:29, 9 March 2016 (EST)

Miles...

¬_¬ -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 19:20, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Happened again. Penro 18:42, 9 March 2016 (EST)

Miles, we have a problematic user

Miles, this user, User:Tabuu123 has profanity in his User Page, in his tier list in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, having Pieces of crap. So please block this user. thanks! TabuuandMasterCore LA flooding (talk) 23:00, 10 March 2016 (EST)

Umm....SmashWiki is not censored. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:01, 10 March 2016 (EST)

Well I know that...... TabuuandMasterCore LA flooding (talk) 23:04, 10 March 2016 (EST)

Then why ask for them to be banned? As far as I can tell, it's not doing any harm to anyone. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:07, 10 March 2016 (EST)

You really don't have to look hard to see profanity much worse than this on the wiki, this doesn't even count. I wonder if it has more to do with his name being similar to yours, and if so, don't worry about it. RobSir zx 23:12, 10 March 2016 (EST)

Well he is unrelated to me, I a much nicer person, plus the difference is my name having Master Core in it, and I think it could be confusing sometimes. TabuuandMasterCore LA flooding (talk) 23:17, 10 March 2016 (EST)

That doesn't answer my question. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:17, 10 March 2016 (EST)

...By that logic, I should report the user Unown_201 on gamefaqs because it's too similar to Unowninator. Unowninator (talk) 23:19, 10 March 2016 (EST) Oops, forgot to mention: this is the place to report: http://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki:Administrators%27_noticeboard

Alright this is bordering on violating SW:TALK. Please keep conversations on topic please. Serpent King 23:21, 10 March 2016 (EST)

I thought I was keeping it on topic? Unowninator (talk) 23:25, 10 March 2016 (EST)

Well, Serpent King, it Started with RobSir then this came on the verge on Violating the SmashWiki Talk, so it's both his and my fault. the part I did I deeply apologize. TabuuandMasterCore LA flooding (talk) 10:54, 11 March 2016 (EST)

Protect the talk too.

Only way to stop the IP. Or a range block. Penro 20:11, 12 March 2016 (EST)

About Project M

Why shouldn't we drop the name on the stage builder page? It's easily the most famous use of the exploit, I see no reason not to mention it, and frankly, if we are going to sensor the mod out of the page, we might as well get rid of the whole section. Serpent King 20:59, 13 March 2016 (EDT)

I mean I'm pretty sure the current standard is that unless the page is a tournament or specifically about mods, Project M shouldn't be mentioned at all. That's all I was going for. Miles (talk) 21:43, 13 March 2016 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure an exception can be made here, don't you think? I mean, already, we more or less mention the mod without dropping the name anyway. Serpent King 21:46, 13 March 2016 (EDT)

We mention that it's a source of an exploit and link to the mods page; is more really needed? Miles (talk) 21:51, 13 March 2016 (EDT)

I really do not see why not. As I said, the exploits most common and most famous use is PM, so why not mention that? Serpent King 22:02, 13 March 2016 (EDT)

Because that's against our current policy of consistency? It's one click further away through the mods page; it's not like it's not connected. Miles (talk) 22:26, 13 March 2016 (EDT)

Gomamugicha and Gomamugitya

They are the same person. Which name should we stick to? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 19:24, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

I'd been seeing the "tya" romanization more recently, but I'm not totally sure. You can confirm with Jamal if you want more thorough verification. Miles (talk) 19:58, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

"Ko Uppercut"

When searching for "ko uppercut" (due to my laziness in capitalization that I'm sure I share with others,) the existing redirect didn't work. That's why I created the new one, as it worked with that. Regardless, the redirect still may have been unnecessary, I'm not too sure about that. Should we keep it? BaconMaster 17:26, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

The redirect worked fine for me upon typing "ko uppercut" into the search bar. I'm not sure why it wouldn't be working for you. Miles (talk) 18:37, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

That's because Megatron1 made a new redirect for it as Ko uppercut. BaconMaster 18:47, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

Just noticed that. Not sure why it was working differently... Miles (talk) 18:53, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

Blaze and Zephyr

i believe you can restore these pages because they have reached notability Poultry(talk) the Team Liquid 17:35, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

A deleted page can be remade, and there's little of value in the deleted versions. If you think the smashers in question have sufficient results to meet a notability requirement now when they didn't before, you can choose to re-make the page or to bring it up on a talk page first if you're unsure. Miles (talk) 18:37, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

HAL Laboratory's involvement in SSB4

Can you help me out with my problem? I can't tell if HAL Laboratory had any involvement with SSB4, despite the company's name listed in the credits, and the Kirby characters and four stages from SSB appearing in it (Kongo Jungle is exclusive to the Wii U version). Juju1995 (talk) 23:47, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

Highly doubtful. HAL's had little participation since Brawl, and I'm sure if they did have a larger part again, Sakurai would've mentioned something about it. Disaster Flare (talk) 23:57, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

I doubt they did any direct development work on SSB4; to my knowledge, Sakurai's dev team for the game was basically all Bandai Namco staff. Miles (talk) 00:00, 25 March 2016 (EDT)

But I know HAL developed SSB and Melee and had a development corporation with Brawl, so I'm not sure if they were involved with SSB4's development. Juju1995 (talk) 00:19, 25 March 2016 (EDT)

I don't think there's any confirmation of HAL's involvement outside of licensing of Kirby content and potentially porting of 64 stage data. Miles (talk) 00:52, 25 March 2016 (EDT)