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 ::::::Where on earth does it say in SmashWiki's policies that we prioritize "community opinion" over facts? I don't believe such a rule exists anywhere but in your own delusions. As has been stated to you before: guesses, theories, and speculation aren't appropriate content. Facts are. If you are equating something to the effect of "we report tier lists" or "we report widespread tournament rules" with "we report community opinion as fact", then you are quite thoroughly mistaken.
 ::::::Also, if you're going to sarcastically spout debate advice at me, here's some back at you: walls of text make you look like a blowhard, not somebody with a well thought-out argument; making wild comparisons to 9/11 in an unrelated context is Godwin's Law 2.0 and makes you sound foolish; and a flat appeal to "people say so!" is massively unconvincing even when relevant. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:07, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
+:::::::''"Where on earth does it say in SmashWiki's policies that we prioritize "community opinion" over facts?"''
+:::::::It appears to me that you're the only user who's removing anything that has to deal with community opinion.
+:::::::''"If you are equating something to the effect of "we report tier lists" or "we report widespread tournament rules" with "we report community opinion as fact", then you are quite thoroughly mistaken."''
+:::::::It is certainly not a fact that what the community says is definitely true. It's not a fact that Sakurai removed hitstun because he wanted to make the game more casual. I don't think anyone on the wiki would disagree with that. It is a fact, however, that '''there are many people''' who '''think''' that Sakurai removed hitstun because he wanted to make the game more casual. It's not a fact that what the community says is true. It is a fact that the community holds a widespread belief on some topic, and that belief may or may not be true. In the section about EVO 2013, I did not say, "Nintendo shut down EVO because it was opposed to the Smash Bros. games being played competitively," I said, "A commonly stated reason is that Nintendo was opposed to the Smash Bros. games being played competitively."
+:::::::''"walls of text make you look like a blowhard"''
+:::::::Why should you expect the result of this to go in your favor if you're not going to respond to what I say? Did you know that those who work hard are the most successful in life? People who call others "blowhards" or "try-hards" are usually people who are jealous that they're not as successful in life.
+:::::::''"and a flat appeal to "people say so!" is massively unconvincing even when relevant"''
+:::::::Except the topic at hand deals nearly entirely with what people say. "Community opinions that the wiki reports on" would not exist if there were no people who believed that way. Read the other stuff people have told you if you want more convincing reasons.
+:::::::''"making wild comparisons to 9/11 in an unrelated context is Godwin's Law 2.0 and makes you sound foolish;"''
+:::::::I use 9/11 as an example because it is an extremely notable and well-known event in history that has a lot of unsolved questions and mysteries, like many events in the Smash community. Why is making a comparison to 9/11 "wild" in this case? Am I using 9/11 to insult you in a derogatory manner?
+:::::::Saying "xxx is true because the community believes it" is different from saying "a large amount of the community believes that xxx is true." [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 23:42, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
 If we're talking about [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=List_of_community_controversies&curid=55571&diff=654803&oldid=654802 this edit], then I agree that it's too speculatory, as I do not recall "block Melee and feature Brawl because Nintendo hates competitives" as being the primary sentiment at the time of that controversy. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but it sure seems too much. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Glow 21:47, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
 :If you think there's not enough widespread community opinion on a certain topic, that would be an acceptable reason not to list community opinion in an article. Fair enough. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 22:53, 13 March 2015 (EDT)