Template talk:NIWA News

I realize I'm at risk of edit-warring, so I'll put this here. The description doesn't say "all English-speaking regions," it says "all regions." I'd change this, but the reason this was added in the first place was to prepare for potential Smash 4 confirmations, and so far, Sakurai has only cared about Japanese releases regardless of when they were released in English regions. So unless you can say with 100% certainty that Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games will not bring about another Mario or Sonic confirmation, I suggest we put it back. JamesHeart 21:29, 22 November 2013 (EST)

New releases here!

December 27: Pokémon Bank January 9: Chibi-Robo! Photo Finder —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.92.255.223 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 26 December 2013 (GMT)

Firstly, sign your comments by typing four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your post. For the former, it's just going to be an application, not an entire game. For the latter, can you please provide a source. Scr7(talk · contribs) 07:58, 26 December 2013 (EST)

Ok I found a trailer for the latter from a google search, but two things: the link you provided before had no evidence, and I'm not even sure if this series belongs on this list. Scr7(talk · contribs) 08:00, 26 December 2013 (EST)

We don't have a Chibi-Robo NIWA wiki, so we'd have nowhere to link such a list item, and the purpose of this section is for interwiki linking. Toomai Glittershine The Free 11:34, 26 December 2013 (EST)

Kirby

January 11: Kirby Triple Deluxe comes out in Japan. While not an American release, the game is significant to the Kirby franchise (thus a link to WiKirby can be provided) and it's possible that a playable veteran of the Kirby franchise could be revealed to return. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.195.140.93 (talk • contribs) 19:02, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

A New Idea

Would you guys be against the idea of adding upcoming Nintendo games that don't have a NIWA wiki for its series? (i.e. Bravely Default, Professor Layton & The Azran Legacy) It could help bring light to lesser-known franchises and new IPs. We could just link to Wikipedia. ChuckNorris 17:06, 3 February 2014 (EST)

The purpose of the upcoming/new releases section is to help traffic to other member wikis. I'm not totally against the idea of calling attention to other games, but it's for a completely different purpose, and has the potential to make the section even longer. Toomai Glittershine The Incomperable 17:45, 3 February 2014 (EST)

I've always thought the purpose was to give dates for potential new reveals on Miiverse. E.g. Meta Knight could've been released on May 3rd to celebrate the American release of Triple Deluxe. We seem to be running a bit low on games now, though. As far as I can remember, the only upcoming Nintendo-published games with release dates are Mario Kart 8, Tomodachi Life and Inazuma Eleven GO. The latter two don't even have NIWA wikis. Toast ltimatum 08:41, 4 May 2014 (EDT)

On June 19, Pokémon Art Academy comes out in Japan. Also, we'll almost definitely get more release dates by the next Nintendo Direct. ChuckNorris 09:42, 4 May 2014 (EDT)

It started out as a combination of interwiki help and potential reveal date pinpoints, but the second purpose seems to be less and less useful now that Sakurai is probably on to the community and the number of potential reveals drops. Toomai Glittershine The Cloronic 11:51, 4 May 2014 (EDT)

If there is going to be games unrelated to NIWA on the list, would there be Sonic, Metal Gear and Mega Man games listed if they have upcoming games? SeanWheeler (talk) 20:36, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

Personally, I'd say yes. The three third-party universes don't get a ton of games released too often, so it wouldn't be cluttering up the template. I don't see why not. ChuckNorris 21:02, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

Smash Bros. 4 Release Date

So, because of the release date for the 3DS version of SSB4, I think it seems reasonable for the SmashWiki to put up the release date for it on this page (for those of you who don't know, it's October 3rd). And since this IS the SmashWiki, it just seems like a reasonable thing to do. Aidanzapunk (talk) 09:27, 11 June 2014 (EDT)

We have that in the Smash Bros. news section instead. Toomai Glittershine The Labbie 09:30, 11 June 2014 (EDT)

So many release dates

Like, really. We need to calm down with these, especially considering a few are months away. I would recommend removing everything past Sonic Boom, but I won't do it just yet in case other people say it's alright. Nymbare and his talk 17:02, 7 October 2014 (EDT)

I'm on the opinion that anything releasing with-in the next two months should stay, so I'm against this. Laikue (talk|contribs) 18:58, 7 October 2014 (EDT)

Criteria

I was using the following criteria for what belongs on this template:

1. The game is released for a Nintendo platform (or arcade); and
2. The game is part of a series represented in Smash in any capacity.

Obviously that works fine for a number of things, but not so much for the case of new IPs like STEAM or Splatoon. Would people want to see this template's use extend to games developed first- or second-party by Nintendo regardless of any current Smash relation? Miles (talk) 19:08, 19 January 2015 (EST)

Well the original purpose was solely to provide more NIWA interwiki links, so it's already a bit outside what I would prefer. Toomai Glittershine The Hammer 19:12, 19 January 2015 (EST)

IMO, anything that has direct item/character/stage relation to Smash should be listed (i.e. A new Panel de Pon, Pac-Man, or Hanenbow would be listed, but a new Fossil Fighters, Code Name: S.T.E.A.M, or Wonderful 101 2 would not). But, as Toomai has put it, this was originally intended for NIWA news. So I think we should change the template name, or revert back to NIWA releases (which would include non-smash related releases, such as a new Tetris). Laikue (talk | contribs) 19:23, 19 January 2015 (EST)

The problem is it's a really weird gray area. I would find it quite bizarre to have a Dragon Quest link on there without any reference to Xenoblade Chronicles X, for instance. We need some sort of more fixed criteria... Miles (talk) 19:25, 19 January 2015 (EST)

We could always use [NintendoWiki.org] links for those games. Gives us a weird thing with Metal Gear and Pac-Man (And Sonic and Mega Man, to a much lesser extent) though. We can make exceptions and give those wikipedia links though. Of course, we'd actually have to have pages for the games on Nintendo Wiki and (not to be rude, but frank) that wiki is really down below standards and is seemingly dead (three mainspace edits in the last month does not make a wiki very "livid"), so we're really in a corner here. We could always just limit it to smash-related and change the template name. That seems like the most realistic option at this point. Or hell, change it to something like: "Smash-related and NIWA releases" bit long and specific, but it satifies the needs. Or we could have two templates, but things'd overlap then. Laikue (talk | contribs) 19:57, 19 January 2015 (EST)

Alright, so there needs to be some sort of resolution as to what this template's scope should be. So here's my proposal on what will keep this template interesting and most useful. To be included here, a game must be one of the following:

• A game from a Smash-related series of any capacity, being released on a Nintendo platform, or arcade (mostly to allow Pokken);
• A game being developed by a first- or second-party Nintendo development team;
• A game being released on a Nintendo platform within the scope of a NIWA wiki besides StrategyWiki.

This is obviously a bit wider in scope than the template's original purpose, but I feel that it's a good way to update people on series represented in Smash, nudge traffic to other NIWA wikis, and avoid excluding new IPs on account of post-dating the newest Smash release. Thoughts? Miles (talk) 14:15, 23 January 2015 (EST)

We should change the name to "Nintendo news" then. Other than that, yeah, why not. People keep adding upcoming non-smash related releases anyway. Laikue (talk | contribs) 15:02, 23 January 2015 (EST)

It sounds like a good idea to me. But I feel even if a new game from a Smash-represented series appears only on a non-Nintendo platform, it should still be listed. There's been a few Pokémon games only on iOS and some third party games have only appeared on competitor consoles. I mean, the series have been represented in Smash, so I don't see why they couldn't be listed. Any thoughts? ChuckNorris  16:37, 23 January 2015 (EST)

The main issue is that you quickly run into issues with that, with very tangentially Smash-related series like Tetris or SimCity. Even character-based series are sometimes questionable; the Smash or Nintendo relevance of something like MGSV:TPP is negligible. Miles (talk) 16:41, 23 January 2015 (EST)

I see what you're saying, but the three universes in question don't really recieve a ton of new games. Tetris had four games last year (two of which were on Nintendo consoles), SimCity had one, and Metal Gear had one as well. There aren't really any other Smash universes that regularly recieve games on competitor consoles. I don't see the harm in listing the occasional game that doesn't appear on a Nintendo console. ChuckNorris  17:48, 23 January 2015 (EST)

As I said, it's difficult coming up with a ruleset for this kind of thing. But my goal was to keep this template essentially Nintendo-centric, and given its Main Page usage I'm hesitant to chance making it any bigger than I've already laid out. Miles (talk) 18:19, 23 January 2015 (EST)

How about games that actually feature Mega-Man or Snake be listed, regardless of console. Like, we wouldn't list a Revengence sequel or a Zero game, but we would list if a Mega-Man or Metal Gear game featuring Snake or Mega Man came out, even if it was on another console. Other games like, say, *insert all-star Capcom fighter here* that features Mega Man wouldn't be listed, even if they were on Nintendo consoles, since it's not technically a Mega Man game. Laikue (talk | contribs) 23:31, 23 January 2015 (EST)

Since clearly the ambiguity over this template is still an issue, can I get any other thoughts on my listed criteria? Are there other suggestions or proposals people want to make? Miles (talk) 15:40, 9 February 2015 (EST)

I would say that both should apply; that being said, Codename S.T.E.A.M. perfectly falls under #1. Combine that with the fact that, with the use of Smash amiibos, you got all four Fire Emblem reps as playable characters. That's good enough for me. Aidan the Aura Master 15:51, 9 February 2015 (EST)

To be clear, I'd allow STEAM in my system under the second-party rule because it's Intelligent Systems. The amiibo support is irrelevant, since Ace Combat and that One Piece game really don't have a reason to be on this list. Miles (talk) 15:57, 9 February 2015 (EST)

The amiibo support is more relevant for STEAM because, as opposed to both Ace Combat and One Piece (which just unlocks costumes/paint jobs), STEAM lets you play as the characters. Aidan the Aura Master 16:01, 9 February 2015 (EST)