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Melee vs. Brawl

Melee vs. Brawl is the name given to the continuous debate in the Smash community over the two largest games: Super Smash Bros. Melee and Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

Criticisms of differences in gameplay in Brawl

Melee and Brawl have many differences in their gameplay, and many of these gameplay differences have been criticized by players of the games. Many Melee players in particular have become notoriously vocal about their criticisms of Brawl's gameplay, claiming that many changes in Brawl's physics have caused it to become subpar to Melee for competitive play.

Brawl has been categorized as a more defensive-based and slow-paced game as a whole than its predecessor for many reasons, and this has been received with much criticism by members of the community. One of the most heavily criticized changes is the change in hitstun mechanics. Melee's physics causes launched characters to remain in hitstun for a significant period of time that increases with damage percentage, which allows unescapable followups for characters when they launch their opponents with low to moderate knockback. Due to Melee's fairly large amounts of hitstun, characters can frequently perform guaranteed combos that deal 40-50%, often reaching 70 or 80% or higher. However, in Brawl, players can act out of hitstun much sooner than in Melee, being able to perform an air dodge after 13 frames of hitstun and an aerial attack after 25 frames of hitstun. This allows players to react to their opponent's actions while being launched and potentially escape combos. The reduced hitstun makes true combos rare, and almost all hits that do not deal beyond very low knockback cannot combo well. Brawl's reduced hitstun can allow a player to punish their opponent after being hit with an attack with high ending lag, and allows momentum cancelling, which can cause players to survive to higher percentages than they normally would in a match. The reduced histun in Brawl is seen as a negative addition to the game by the large of majority of Melee players, and many Brawl players also agree with pro-Melee players that increased hitstun would be a positive addition to the game.

Offensive tactics that allow for damage and pressure are seen as too weak in Brawl by many Melee players, while the shield and other defensive maneuvers are seen as too strong by these players. Brawl saw the removal of many features that were crucial to the gameplay of Melee, and the removal of these features is seen by pro-Melee players as limiting the offensive options a character can perform. L-cancelling does not exist in Brawl as it does in Melee, and as a result, players are forced to wait out the full landing lag time of their non-autocancelled aerial attacks, making low-height aerials less safe to use. Players can no longer control the direction of an air dodge in Brawl, making wavedashing impossible; this is criticized by Melee players as limiting the approach options of characters on the ground. In Brawl, after grabbing a ledge, players must wait for a period of time before being able to perform an action, which is seen as limiting characters' options on the ledge. Pro-Melee players argue that the removal of options such as wavedashing and L-cancelling, as well as the lack of combos and rewards for approaching, promotes camping and a more defensive-based playstyle, which is seen as less exciting than the more aggressive play of Melee. A major criticism of Brawl is that the shield is seen as too powerful; shieldstun is descreased in Brawl, and the powershield window is increased to 4 frames, weakening the effectiveness of shield pressure, allowing players to act out of shield faster, and increasing the chance for attacking players to be punished. The air dodge also no longer puts players into a helpless state, allowing them to attack following an air dodge or air dodge consecutively. This is criticized by pro-Melee players for weakening the power an attacking player challenging an opponent in the air or offstage. These changes to Brawl are seen as benefiting the player playing defensively while harming the player fighting offensively, while many players argue that the offensive player should be more greatly rewarded for approaching and taking risks.

Brawl is additionally criticized for being a much slower-paced game than Melee. The aformentioned loss of L-cancelling and wavedashing, as well as a more defensively-based playstyle, has caused Brawl to have a generally slower attack rate than Melee, causing many members of the community to consider Melee a more intense and exciting game than Brawl. The falling speeds and acceleration rates of characters are slower than in Melee, as every veteran has a slower falling speed in Brawl than in Melee; this has been criticized for preventing mixups and mindgames by limiting the ability to transfer from the air to the ground quickly. It is also seen as improving recoveries, and Brawl has been criticized by Melee players for making recovery too easy (especially since air dodging no longer puts the user into a helpless state) and limiting the effectiveness of edgeguarding.

On a more universal scale, random tripping is a mechanic introduced to Brawl that is disliked by both Melee and Brawl players; the 1% chance of tripping randomly when initiating a dash is seen as a hinderance to competitive play. Random tripping is seen as a mechanic that unfairly punishes a player by causing them to lose their momentum in a match and be put in a vulnerable tech-chase position, even if the player made no technical errors or mistakes. A random trip can cause a player to lose a punish opportunity or an advantageous position on the stage, or even get punished themselves while they're vulnerable, which can lead to significant damage, being put in a dangerous position (such as offstage or in the air), or potentially KOed.

Differences in gameplay between the two games can be seen; long-lasting combos are frequently performed in Melee, while combos in Brawl are generally only performed at very low percents, and at moderate to high percents, damage mostly built from single attacks. Defensive options such as the shield are more frequently utilized in Brawl, and camping is a larger part of the Brawl metagame than in Melee. Since damage buildup is slower than in Brawl, KOs occur much slower in Brawl than Melee, and three-stock Brawl matches usually take longer than four-stock Melee matches. The more fast-paced Melee is regarded by many players as more interesting to watch than Brawl, and Brawl is frequently criticized for the sizable amount of time-outs that occur in matches, while in Melee, time-outs almost never occur. The Brawl metagame is widely criticized for the overwhelming dominance of Meta Knight, as well as the Ice Climbers' infinite chaingrabs in top-level play; these characters are frequently seen as making the game "boring" by both Melee and Brawl players. While many Melee players claim that Brawl is an inferior game to Melee, others argue that Melee requires more technical skill demands than Brawl, but Brawl is just more focused on cerebral skill than Melee.

Criticisms of both Brawl by Melee players and Melee by Brawl players

Differences in communities

Differences between people in the Melee and Brawl communities

Development in the community

''How the competitive scene has developed over time in Melee and Brawl, and maybe 64 and PM as well