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[[File:SonicFairPM.png|200px|thumb|Sonic's new forward aerial.]]
[[File:SonicFairPM.png|200px|thumb|Sonic's new forward aerial.]]
*{{buff|The new physics and the re-introduction of [[wavedash]]ing give Sonic much more options, improving his already outstanding mobility and allowing some moves to flow much better into each other.}}
*{{buff|The new physics and the re-introduction of [[wavedash]]ing give Sonic much more options, improving his already outstanding mobility and allowing some moves to flow much better into each other.}}
*{{buff|General power for retained moves increased, most notably on his [[forward smash]] and [[up smash]].}}
*{{buff|Foward smash does 2% more damage and is a stronger kill move.}}
*{{buff|[[Forward tilt]] is now a single hit, while still dealing the same damage.}}
*{{buff|Jab combo does 3% more damage now doing 10% total.}}
*{{buff|[[Up smash]] has much less [[ending lag]] and only has two hitboxes; the first is weak, while the second is much stronger and produces more knockback, making the move harder to avoid and improving its KO potential.}}
*{{buff|[[Up tilt]] is now a foot uppercut with a single hitbox instead of a double high kick, which deals less damage but acts better as a launcher. It is based upon the Sonic Up Draft move from ''Sonic Battle''.}}
*{{buff|[[Down smash]] changed to a multi-hitting "break-dance" move reminiscent of the Heavy Attack from ''Sonic Battle''. It acts similar to the original, but deals higher damage with much more knockback and can [[punish]] [[shield]]ing or [[crouch cancel]]ing foes.}}
*{{buff|[[Forward tilt]] is now a single hit, while still dealing the same damage, and does the same damage even from far away unlike brawl, and slightly more kill potential.}}
*{{buff|[[Neutral aerial]] has a larger hitbox.}}
*{{buff|[[Up smash]] has much less [[ending lag]] and only has two hitboxes; the first is weak, while the second is much stronger and produces more knockback, making the move harder to avoid and improving its KO potential dramatically.}}
*{{buff|[[Down smash]] changed to a multi-hitting "break-dance" move reminiscent of the Heavy Attack from ''Sonic Battle''. It acts similar to the original, but has faster start-up and deals higher damage with much more knockback and can [[punish]] [[shield]]ing or [[crouch cancel]]ing foes.}}
*{{buff|[[Neutral aerial]] does 4% more damage and has stronger knockback and has a larger hitbox.}}
*{{buff|Back aerial does 2% more damage now doing 16% and is a better kill move.}}
*{{buff|Homing attack can hit even when facing the other way.}}
*{{buff|Dash attack does 2% more damage now doing 8%.}}
*{{buff|Up throw can send for better follow-ups.}}
*{{buff|[[Forward aerial]] is now a front-flip kick, based on the Sonic Eagle from ''Sonic Battle''. It deals slightly less damage than his previous forward air, but has much more utility, covering a wider area in front of Sonic and [[meteor smash]]ing at the heel of his foot, which when combined with his enhanced [[air speed]] gives Sonic a deadly [[Ken Combo]].}}
*{{buff|[[Forward aerial]] is now a front-flip kick, based on the Sonic Eagle from ''Sonic Battle''. It deals slightly less damage than his previous forward air, but has much more utility, covering a wider area in front of Sonic and [[meteor smash]]ing at the heel of his foot, which when combined with his enhanced [[air speed]] gives Sonic a deadly [[Ken Combo]].}}
*{{buff|[[Up aerial]] links better, and the sweetspot at the tips of his shoes can yield early KOs.}}
*{{buff|[[Up aerial]] Has faster start-up, links better, does 4-5% more damage and the sweetspot at the tips of his shoes have stronger knockback.}}
*{{buff|[[Down aerial]] has significantly faster startup, and is now better at starting aerial combos when [[L-cancel]]ed.}}
*{{buff|[[Down aerial]] does more damage and has more knockback on its sweetspot, has significantly faster startup, and is now better at starting aerial combos when [[L-cancel]]ed.}}
*{{buff|[[Homing Attack]] has much faster startup and fires straight at the opponent, now homing on them much more consistently in addition to [[juggling]] them at medium percentages.}}
*{{buff|[[Homing Attack]] has much faster startup and fires straight at the opponent, now homing on them much more consistently in addition to [[juggling]] them at medium percentages.}}
*{{buff|[[Side special]] is now Somersault: a fast-starting spin attack with a variable height jump depending on how long is the special button held. Pressing the attack button turns the attack into a sliding kick similar to that of the ''Sonic Adventure'' games. Both attacks cancel upon falling off a ledge. This gives Sonic a new multi-hitting quick attack to efficiently rack up damage and then launch foes, rather than a move almost identical to his [[down special]]. It also sweetspots ledges when used in midair, improving Sonic's horizontal [[recovery]].}}
*{{buff|[[Side special]] is now Somersault: a fast-starting spin attack with a variable height jump depending on how long is the special button held. Pressing the attack button turns the attack into a sliding kick similar to that of the ''Sonic Adventure'' games. Both attacks cancel upon falling off a ledge. This gives Sonic a new multi-hitting quick attack to efficiently rack up damage and then launch foes, rather than a move almost identical to his [[down special]]. It also sweetspots ledges when used in midair, improving Sonic's horizontal [[recovery]].}}
*{{buff|Down special is still his [[Spin Charge]], but has gained most of the nuances the original [[Spin Dash]] had while retaining all of its own properties. It can additionally damage opponents when being charged.}}
*{{buff|Down special is still his [[Spin Charge]], but has gained most of the nuances the original [[Spin Dash]] had while retaining all of its own properties. It can additionally damage opponents when being charged.}}
*{{buff|[[Down throw]] is faster, giving the opponent less time to [[DI]].}}
*{{buff|[[Down throw]] is faster, giving the opponent less time to [[DI]].}}
*{{nerf|Down tilts IASA frames are slightly later.}}
*{{nerf|Up throw does 2% less damage.}}
*{{nerf|Homing Attack has a slightly decreased detection radius, and gives less distance when there is no opponent in range.}}
*{{nerf|Homing Attack has a slightly decreased detection radius, and gives less distance when there is no opponent in range.}}
*{{nerf|[[Spring Jump]] gives slightly less vertical distance, and Sonic can no longer [[air dodge]] after performing the move.}}
*{{nerf|[[Spring Jump]] gives slightly less vertical distance, and Sonic can no longer [[air dodge]] after performing the move.}}
*{{nerf|[[Spin Charge]] can no longer be held indefinitely.}}
*{{nerf|[[Spin Charge]] can no longer be held indefinitely.}}
*{{change|[[Up tilt]] is now a foot uppercut with a single hitbox instead of a double high kick, which deals less damage but acts better as a launcher. It is based upon the Sonic Up Draft move from ''Sonic Battle''.}}
*{{change|Pressing the attack button during the startup of Homing Attack lets Sonic use the Blast Attack, which is a faster Homing Attack with less ending lag, though it has less range and doesn't track the opponent.}}
*{{change|Pressing the attack button during the startup of Homing Attack lets Sonic use the Blast Attack, which is a faster Homing Attack with less ending lag, though it has less range and doesn't track the opponent.}}
*{{change|[[Up throw]] deals less damage, hampering its use as a damage racking move but following-up better into other attacks.}}
*{{change|Sweetspots of neutral aerial and up smash now have a [[slash]] effect, and the former has a new look inspired by ''Sonic 3''.}}
*{{change|Sweetspots of neutral aerial and up smash now have a [[slash]] effect, and the former has a new look inspired by ''Sonic 3''.}}
*{{change|Sonic now strikes a pose after successfully hitting with a Homing Attack.}}
*{{change|Sonic now strikes a pose after successfully hitting with a Homing Attack.}}

Revision as of 20:09, April 6, 2014

Sonic
in Project M and Project+
Sonic SSBB.jpg
SonicSymbol.svg
Universe Sonic the Hedgehog
Base game appearance Brawl
Moveset inspiration Sonic (SSBB)
Sonic (SSBB)
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Sonic is a playable character in the Brawl mod Project M. The speedy protagonist from the Sonic games has been buffed for his Project M showing.

Attributes

Changes from Brawl to PM

Sonic's new up taunt in Project M.
Sonic's new forward aerial.
  • Buff The new physics and the re-introduction of wavedashing give Sonic much more options, improving his already outstanding mobility and allowing some moves to flow much better into each other.
  • Buff Foward smash does 2% more damage and is a stronger kill move.
  • Buff Jab combo does 3% more damage now doing 10% total.
  • Buff Up tilt is now a foot uppercut with a single hitbox instead of a double high kick, which deals less damage but acts better as a launcher. It is based upon the Sonic Up Draft move from Sonic Battle.
  • Buff Forward tilt is now a single hit, while still dealing the same damage, and does the same damage even from far away unlike brawl, and slightly more kill potential.
  • Buff Up smash has much less ending lag and only has two hitboxes; the first is weak, while the second is much stronger and produces more knockback, making the move harder to avoid and improving its KO potential dramatically.
  • Buff Down smash changed to a multi-hitting "break-dance" move reminiscent of the Heavy Attack from Sonic Battle. It acts similar to the original, but has faster start-up and deals higher damage with much more knockback and can punish shielding or crouch canceling foes.
  • Buff Neutral aerial does 4% more damage and has stronger knockback and has a larger hitbox.
  • Buff Back aerial does 2% more damage now doing 16% and is a better kill move.
  • Buff Homing attack can hit even when facing the other way.
  • Buff Dash attack does 2% more damage now doing 8%.
  • Buff Up throw can send for better follow-ups.
  • Buff Forward aerial is now a front-flip kick, based on the Sonic Eagle from Sonic Battle. It deals slightly less damage than his previous forward air, but has much more utility, covering a wider area in front of Sonic and meteor smashing at the heel of his foot, which when combined with his enhanced air speed gives Sonic a deadly Ken Combo.
  • Buff Up aerial Has faster start-up, links better, does 4-5% more damage and the sweetspot at the tips of his shoes have stronger knockback.
  • Buff Down aerial does more damage and has more knockback on its sweetspot, has significantly faster startup, and is now better at starting aerial combos when L-canceled.
  • Buff Homing Attack has much faster startup and fires straight at the opponent, now homing on them much more consistently in addition to juggling them at medium percentages.
  • Buff Side special is now Somersault: a fast-starting spin attack with a variable height jump depending on how long is the special button held. Pressing the attack button turns the attack into a sliding kick similar to that of the Sonic Adventure games. Both attacks cancel upon falling off a ledge. This gives Sonic a new multi-hitting quick attack to efficiently rack up damage and then launch foes, rather than a move almost identical to his down special. It also sweetspots ledges when used in midair, improving Sonic's horizontal recovery.
  • Buff Down special is still his Spin Charge, but has gained most of the nuances the original Spin Dash had while retaining all of its own properties. It can additionally damage opponents when being charged.
  • Buff Down throw is faster, giving the opponent less time to DI.
  • Nerf Down tilts IASA frames are slightly later.
  • Nerf Up throw does 2% less damage.
  • Nerf Homing Attack has a slightly decreased detection radius, and gives less distance when there is no opponent in range.
  • Nerf Spring Jump gives slightly less vertical distance, and Sonic can no longer air dodge after performing the move.
  • Nerf Spin Charge can no longer be held indefinitely.
  • Change Pressing the attack button during the startup of Homing Attack lets Sonic use the Blast Attack, which is a faster Homing Attack with less ending lag, though it has less range and doesn't track the opponent.
  • Change Sweetspots of neutral aerial and up smash now have a slash effect, and the former has a new look inspired by Sonic 3.
  • Change Sonic now strikes a pose after successfully hitting with a Homing Attack.
  • Change Falling animation after using Spring Jump is now identical to his helpless animation, though without the black overlay. Sonic now additionally spins horizontally during the rising portion of the move.
  • Change Up taunt now features a horizontal spin and finger wag.

In terms of cosmetics, Sonic has received completely new costumes that fully change the color of his hair and shoes, making his team colors more obvious.

Revisions

2.5b

  • Buff Forward tilt is now one hit, has less endlag, and much more knockback growth.
  • Buff Forward smash hit duration extended and has a weak hit added during that time.
  • Buff Neutral air is slightly faster, stronger, and has larger hitboxes.
  • Buff Back air adjusted in knockback, and is stronger at lower %s.
  • Buff Up air 2nd hit comes out slightly faster, sweetspot does a little more damage, and knockback slightly adjusted.
  • Buff Up air autocancels much earlier and IASA is a bit earlier.
  • Buff Homing Attack IASA is earlier.
  • Buff Aerial Somersault can grab ledges.
  • Buff Spin Charge can be B-reversed.
  • Buff Spin Charge startup is faster.
  • Nerf Somersault can no longer be jump canceled immediately, and the invincibility is completely gone.
  • Change Gets more horizontal momentum from grounded jumps.
  • Change Aerial mobility is slightly lower.
  • Change Jump startup is slightly faster.
  • Change C-Stick up while shielding now correctly jumps instead of up smashing.
  • Change Up tilt has a new animation.
  • Change Down tilt moves forward and back, and the hitboxes and animation were adjusted.
  • Change Down tilt sends foes up and behind him.
  • Change Up smash is two hits instead of many multi-hits, and the knockback on the last hit is stronger.
  • Change Forward air has slightly faster startup with endlag and knockback adjusted.
  • Change Down air initial hitbox spikes on both grounded and airborne opponents.
  • Change Down air no longer has disabled air mobility, and can be fastfalled to change the dive speed.
  • Change Homing Attack on-hit cancel is removed.
  • Change Homing Attack can be shortened by pressing Attack before he homes-in, this is called Blast Attack.
  • Change Homing Attack hit animation is now reversible.
  • Change Somersault initial hitbox sends outward, and halfway through aerial Side B it will send upwards.
  • Change Somersault can only be used once per recovery, he must land on the stage or grab the edge to regain Side B usage in the air.
  • Change Grounded Somersault goes into a multi-hit somersault instead of a spindash.
  • Change Grounded Somersault somersault is jump cancelable, and if you press Attack Sonic will perform a slide kick.
  • Change Grounded Somersaults somersault and slide kick are both edge cancelable.
  • Change Spin Charge releases into spindash sooner.

2.6b

  • Buff Up aerial's first hit has increased knockback, matching Brawl Sonic's values. The tipper sweetspot on the second hit is now easier to land.
  • Nerf Forward smash's knockback was decreased.
  • Nerf Forward smash's weaker lingering hit has notably decreased hitbox sizing and knockback.
  • Nerf Forward aerial's damage and knockback were notably decreased, but no longer degrade at the end of the kick.
  • Nerf Somersault's hitboxes can no longer clank other moves and have increased hitlag.
  • Nerf Somersault's jump-cancel window starts later.
  • Nerf Sonic can no longer airdodge after performing Spring Jump, even if he performs an aerial in between.
  • Nerf Spring Jump can no longer be canceled with a walljump, or wall jump after using Spring Jump.
  • Nerf Spin Charge's hitboxes can no longer clank other moves and have increased hitlag.
  • Nerf Spin Charge's spin jump can no longer be canceled with any special or airdodged from, and has a five frame-lock on performing aerials.
  • Change Sonic's jump squat animation carries over more momentum, allowing for more range during his jump cancel grab.
  • Change Forward tilt tipper hit angle raised and homogenized amongst angled variants.
  • Change Forward tilt damage is now based on angle like other forward tilts (12 hi, 11 med, 10 low), and knockback was compensated to match 2.1 Sonic.
  • Change Neutral aerial's hitbox sizing and placements reverted to match 2.1 Sonic, but no longer shrink during the move's duration>
  • Change Neutral aerial's active duration is faster.
  • Change Neutral aerial's initial damage was matched to Brawl Sonic's values, and the knockback compensated to match the last hit of Brawl Sonic's forward aerial.
  • Change Forward aerial starts up faster and now hits while Sonic's leg is further above him. Cooldown was increased slightly.
  • Change Forward aerial's shoe sweetspot now sends at a diagonal angle during the first two active frames.
  • Change Back aerial's initial damage and knockback stats weakened slightly, and his torso hitbox was made into a flub with notably less damage. The lingering hit was strengthened to match Brawl Sonic's values>
  • Change Down aerial's lingering hit angle was raised to match other diagonal sending moves>
  • Change Down aerial's dive no longer slows down when fast-fell.
  • Change Homing Attack has a longer window to acquire a homing target, and a slightly longer start-up.
  • Change Homing Attack's hit rebound animation has a later interrupt window.
  • Change Homing Attack's hit angle is notably higher.
  • Change Somersault's hits earlier with a new graphical cue before the move goes into the hop or tumble. This can allow it to hit twice with the hop. Somersault's initial damage and knockback were reduced to compensate.
  • Change Somersault's previous momentum now has a large effect on the hop's height, making when you use the move more important.
  • Change Somersault's grounded tumble hitboxes have less time between hits, but end faster.
  • Change Spring Jump no longer has invincibility, but can be interrupted with an aerial earlier.
  • Change Spring Jump's turnaround window is slightly longer.
  • Change Spring's hitbox comes out slightly later, and has a more diagonal hit angle with lower base knockback but increased knockback growth.
  • Change Spin Charge's jump inputs now properly recognize the tap-jump setting.
  • Change Spin Charge's charging hitboxes no longer deal additional shield damage, but now drag targets in whatever direction Sonic is moving.
  • Change Spin Charge's charge now sends Sonic into spindash if you fail to mash quickly enough, and the mash requirement increases the longer you stay in charge. A quick white flash indicates that the mashing requirement has gotten harder.
  • Change Spin Charge's charge can no longer be canceled in any manner but by releasing into spindash, or holding shield to enter the spin stop cancel.
  • Change Spin Charge's spindash can no longer be shield canceled at any point in the move. Pressing shield will now cause Sonic to skid to a stop.
  • Change Spin Charge's spin jump and spin turn now have a fifteen frame delay on their hitboxes if Sonic has hit with spindash or spin turn in the last nine frames.
  • Change Spin Charge's spin jump and spin turn have reduced damage with compensated knockback, but can now hit multiple times.

3.0

  • Buff Sonic’s aerial mobility was slightly increased.
  • Buff Neutral air hits one frame sooner and stays strong slightly longer. The initial hitboxes were slightly increased in size, and knockback on all hits tweaked to aid in comboing and late-percent kills>
  • Buff Neutral air now has a small initial sweetspot that deals 15% damage with strong knockback and has neutral frame advantage on block.
  • Buff Back air has increased start up reminiscent of Brawl’s, and increased damage and knockback on all hitboxes. IASA window starts two frames earlier.
  • Buff Up air's knockback trajectory slightly raised to be straight vertical. Both sweet and sour spots have increased knockback growth.
  • Buff Spin Dash knockback stats and trajectory tweaked to aid in comboing.
  • Nerf Forward air’s early sweetspot has reduced knockback growth.
  • Change Neutral air animation tweaked for polish.
  • Change Homing attack lock-on range reduced by about 1/3.
  • Change When Homing or Blast attack collides with a floor, Sonic rebounds instead of flattening to the stage.
  • Change Spin Maneuver’s Jump-cancel frame-lock no longer resets upon landing mid-move. Sonic also flashes when the frame-lock ends>
  • Change Spring attack use is now reset if Sonic is grabbed.


Moveset

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Up to date as of version 3.02.

Name Damage Description
Neutral attack Punch, Punch, Kick 3%, 3% then 4% (10% total) A simple one-two followed by a kick.
Forward tilt Horse Kick 11%, 12% (angled up), 10% (angled down) Sonic turns around before kicking both feet out. Can be angled up or down.
Up tilt Sonic Up Draft 11% Sonic kicks back and flip backwards. Sonic only hits with his left foot.
Down tilt Leg Throw 6% Sonic throws his leg out and spins around with it, giving him great reach.
Dash attack Spin Attack 8% Sonic curls into a ball to rush at any opponent in front of him.
Forward smash Windup Punch 16% Sonic winds up his fist. When he releases it, he shouts "Go!"
Up smash Razor Spin 2% then 14% (16% total) Sonic curls low and jumps in a ball.
Down smash Heavy Attack 15% (first sweep), 12% (second sweep) Sonic spins his legs around in a circle twice.
Neutral aerial Air Spin 15% (center), 11% (sides), 8% (late hit), 5% (very late hit) Sonic curls up and spins around to generate a sharp "shield" around him akin to Sonic 3. Useful to send opponents flying and a good combo finisher.
Forward aerial Sonic Eagle 11% (foot), 9% (leg) Sonic flips forward and sends his heel out. Works similar to Mario's forward aerial.
Back aerial Turn Kick 16% (foot), 12% (leg) Sonic turns around to kick behind him. Fairly strong in knockback and growth.
Up aerial Windmill Kick 4% then 10% (legs) or 11% (feet) Sonic twists his body upward with his legs out.
Down aerial Stomp Dive 10% (early hit), 9% (fall) Sonic shifts himself down with one foot out.
Grab
Pummel Hedgehog Knee 3% Sonic knees the opponent.
Forward throw Foot Launch 3% then 6% (9% total) Sonic kicks the opponent forward.
Back throw Flip Throw 8% Sonic flips backwards several times and then sends them away with his feet.
Up throw Head Poke 3% then 5% (8% total) Sonic tosses the opponent up and spikes his hair out.
Down throw Double Spin 4 hits, 8% total Sonic lays the opponent on the ground to spin on top of them.
Floor attack (front) Spin Stand 6%
Floor attack (back) Floor Sweep 6%
Floor attack (trip) Trip Sweep 5%
Edge attack (fast) Climb Dash 8%
Edge attack (slow) Edge Kick 4% then 8% (12% total)
Neutral special Homing Attack/Blast Attack 8% Sonic hovers in midair before chasing a single opponent close to him. He'll perform a pose after it hits.
Side special Somersault 4%, then 5 hits of 1% (uncharged), or 4%, 3%, then 5 hits of 1% (charged). Slide kick: 9% clean, 6% late Sonic leaps slightly while in a ball, spinning until he lands. Can be linked into a kick or canceled by jumping.
Up special Spring Jump 4% A spring is summoned to give him a boost. All momentum is reset when used. Acts as a projectile in mid-air.
Down special Spin Charge 1% (hits when charging), 11%-4% (dash), 4% (jump) Sonic curls himself into a ball. He can charge up for a bit to fly farther. Unlike in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Sonic cannot charge infinitely.
Final Smash Super Sonic 13% (body), 18% (head) With several emeralds in hand, Sonic uses their power and flies around.

In competitive play

Notable players

Palette swaps

Sonic's palette swaps in PM

External links