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::I lost my temper with you. Not him. He's been civil. I've tried to be civil with him. I may have lost it a little bit with him, but that's overflow frustration from you. I'd apologize to him if I was really jerk to him. I wouldn't really to you, but I don't think you want that. Seriously, guy, you can do whatever you want. I honestly don't care anymore. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 22:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC) | ::I lost my temper with you. Not him. He's been civil. I've tried to be civil with him. I may have lost it a little bit with him, but that's overflow frustration from you. I'd apologize to him if I was really jerk to him. I wouldn't really to you, but I don't think you want that. Seriously, guy, you can do whatever you want. I honestly don't care anymore. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 22:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
I know this isn't any of my business, but you guys have been making a complicated conversation. I know about the situation you are currently talking about, although you make it sound like you're barely talking about it. Here's what it sounds like you said: | I know this isn't any of my business, but you guys have been making a complicated conversation. I know about the situation you are currently talking about, although you make it sound like you're barely talking about it. Here's what it sounds like you said: [Cult of Personality|CP]] came in, Randall banned ⅓ of them, and now you guys are arguing over it. It sounds too complicated to specifically explain. But you guys sound like that's not even part of this whole situation. Personally, I don't even know who's on who's ''side''. Ok, Semicolon, I take it you're on Randall's side. We'll consider that the ''SmashWiki Sysops'' side. The other side is formed from regular Users, and maybe a couple of Admins, in or out of this Wiki. It's getting too confusing, so somebody explain this in general. I know the whole Randall banning 5 Users-Charitwo unbanned 2 Users problem. '''[[User:MarioGalaxy|<span style="color:Gold">Mario</span><span style="color:Silver">Galaxy</span>]]''' {[[User talk:MarioGalaxy|<span style="color:Gray">talk</span>]]} 21:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
:@Semicolon: I've purposefully not referred to any one event as the be all and end all, but is it fair to assume that you're referring to GalaxiaD and his cronies (for lack of a better term), who, from what I understand created and populated the Cult of Personality, used it as the equivalent of a LiveJournal and engaged in general asshattery that contributed little or nothing to SmashWiki? I'm not precisely clear on what warranted the original bans, Randall seems to have had a grudge against 'em for some reason, but I have read the discussion that followed and I'm aware that Randall was cussed out and sent hate mail on at least one occasion by a number of Galaxia's cronies -- not to mention the drama that Galaxia precipitated on his talk page after the fact or the allegations of sockpuppetry. I can keep going if you like, but, as I said, I'm far less concerned about this particular event and far more concerned about the "big picture" (again for lack of a better term). – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] 21:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC) | :@Semicolon: I've purposefully not referred to any one event as the be all and end all, but is it fair to assume that you're referring to GalaxiaD and his cronies (for lack of a better term), who, from what I understand created and populated the Cult of Personality, used it as the equivalent of a LiveJournal and engaged in general asshattery that contributed little or nothing to SmashWiki? I'm not precisely clear on what warranted the original bans, Randall seems to have had a grudge against 'em for some reason, but I have read the discussion that followed and I'm aware that Randall was cussed out and sent hate mail on at least one occasion by a number of Galaxia's cronies -- not to mention the drama that Galaxia precipitated on his talk page after the fact or the allegations of sockpuppetry. I can keep going if you like, but, as I said, I'm far less concerned about this particular event and far more concerned about the "big picture" (again for lack of a better term). – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] 21:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Okay, here's what you missed. Since the months that the kids joined the wiki, they contributed to the content, but they misued several things like talk pages and user pages and the like. Randall was irritated by this, as were all the sysops, but that wasn't grounds to ban them. They just continually reminded them the proper usage of the facilities and pages, some nicer than others, but generally civil. Then, there were some names thrown around from misinterpretated comments (I forgot where, but I could look it up if you needed me to). Then, one of the members of the Cult of Personality made an account on their forum impersonating Randall and proceeded with a character assassination. The other members of the Cult did not know it was one of their own; they thought it was Randall. They got very angry at Randall and proceeded to take it out on him. When it was discovered it was one of their own, and Randall discovered this, things got worse. There were arguements and ad hominem attacks sufficently for what Randall though constituted a ban. While the ban was executed, the banned members continued to harass on talk pages and the attacks got worse, and to an unacceptable level, using language worthy of longer banning. The bans were reinstated/extended. This was done without consultation with the other sysops by Randall. As C-Hawk has said, many of the bans have been removed. There were wrongs on both accounts, but it's over. The problem wasn't the policy, it was the result of a clash between diametrically opposed personalities and conditions, and it happens. I don't understand what this 'big picture' is. I contend it doesn't exist. I don't think you should have made these judgements without knowing the whole story, but at least, provided you read this, you won't be ignorant. If anybody has anything else to add to the story, feel free. I'm pretty sure I may have gotten one or two of the details incorrect or insufficiently explained. And for the record, if having the sysops run again would 'fix the big picture' I'm all for it. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 22:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC) | ::Okay, here's what you missed. Since the months that the kids joined the wiki, they contributed to the content, but they misued several things like talk pages and user pages and the like. Randall was irritated by this, as were all the sysops, but that wasn't grounds to ban them. They just continually reminded them the proper usage of the facilities and pages, some nicer than others, but generally civil. Then, there were some names thrown around from misinterpretated comments (I forgot where, but I could look it up if you needed me to). Then, one of the members of the Cult of Personality made an account on their forum impersonating Randall and proceeded with a character assassination. The other members of the Cult did not know it was one of their own; they thought it was Randall. They got very angry at Randall and proceeded to take it out on him. When it was discovered it was one of their own, and Randall discovered this, things got worse. There were arguements and ad hominem attacks sufficently for what Randall though constituted a ban. While the ban was executed, the banned members continued to harass on talk pages and the attacks got worse, and to an unacceptable level, using language worthy of longer banning. The bans were reinstated/extended. This was done without consultation with the other sysops by Randall. As C-Hawk has said, many of the bans have been removed. There were wrongs on both accounts, but it's over. The problem wasn't the policy, it was the result of a clash between diametrically opposed personalities and conditions, and it happens. I don't understand what this 'big picture' is. I contend it doesn't exist. I don't think you should have made these judgements without knowing the whole story, but at least, provided you read this, you won't be ignorant. If anybody has anything else to add to the story, feel free. I'm pretty sure I may have gotten one or two of the details incorrect or insufficiently explained. And for the record, if having the sysops run again would 'fix the big picture' I'm all for it. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 22:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
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:You added a line saying "(no attacks...)" which doesn't make much sense, so I reverted your edit. – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] 04:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC) | :You added a line saying "(no attacks...)" which doesn't make much sense, so I reverted your edit. – [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] 04:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
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What are you trying to do? :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 21:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC) | What are you trying to do? :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 21:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
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Yes, Mr. Awesome is the smae as smashman4 | Yes, Mr. Awesome is the smae as smashman4 <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Mr. Awesome|Mr. Awesome]] ([[User talk:Mr. Awesome|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Awesome|contribs]]) </small> | ||
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