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Welcome

Welcome to Smash Wiki! If you need help, please visit my talk page. --Tuth (talk) 15:46, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Hello

I would just like to say I approve of your contributions so far. Good work etc.

Also, you might want to find a better place for the above discussion- perhaps Talk:Trophy, or if people seriously ignore you there you can go to the admin noticeboard. Shadowcrest 01:45, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Shadowcrest. Anyways, I did move the discussion over to the Trophy Discussion Page. My talk page wasn't exactly a good place to put it. It should get more attention over there than here. RAN1domchupunch!!99 02:18, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Archiving

It's recommended that you archive your talk page when it gets to over 30,000 bytes and there are no active conversations on it. Making an archive just for one short comment is pointless, and you shouldn't just copy and paste text when archiving anyway. For future reference, when you get round to having to archive this talk page, do the following:

1. Get rid of the big box and any other notices you may have at the top of the page, and instead place {{archive}} at the top
2. Click "Move" and move the page to "User talk:RAN1/Archive 1"
3. Go to "User talk:RAN1", which will redirect to "User talk:RAN1/Archive 1", and replace the redirect with the boxes you used to have at the top of the page, along with something like this:

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|<center>[[Image:Replacement filing cabinet.svg|40px|Archives]]</center>
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|<center>'''Archives'''</center>
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<center>[[/Archive 1|1]]</center>
|}

That's all it takes. I've deleted the archive you just created, as it was pretty much pointless, and put the comment back into this page in an appropriate place. PenguinofDeath 14:18, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Extra Images

Hey its no problem its just that i usualy just upload images that i cant find so its cool that you delete them or whatever i just couldnt find them so i uploaded them --Json1134 (talk) 19:05, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Rollback

Eh, not really. If you're bored enough, you can look at some of my rollbacks. About half of the edits I've used rollback on were just bad edits in good faith, like the one you mentioned. Although I should have at least given my reasoning for doing so, it really isn't a big deal. Rollback is really just a faster "undo" tool and while there are some differences, the outcome of the specified rollback is essentially no different than if I had just undone the edit. Also, I hate to sound harsh, but you've got 0 authority over me and really everyone else here, so don't talk about punishment. If this is sour grapes over my comment on Smoreking's RFA, get over it. On an unrelated note, congrats on getting rollback. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 23:09, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Cheezperson, rollback was meant to be a faster tool to replace undoing in case of mass vandalism. While the outcome of the rollbacks you do will probably be the same as that of a regular undo, the reason SmashWiki has the no-non-vandal-rollbacking policy in place is because it could be easily be taken advantage of in edit wars and the like. Rollbacking numerous non-vandal edits only shows that you're abusing the tool. In all of the cases in which you rollbacked non-vandal edit(s), you could have used the undo function, even though it was slower, since you would be able to provide a good reason for the revert. The fact that rollbacking is significantly faster than undoing does not give you an excuse to exploit it. Also, I am very aware of the fact that I have no authority over anyone in this community, but PenguinofDeath does know of the previous message I left on your talk page. Therefore, I seriously advise you not to rollback any more non-vandal edits. RAN1domchupunch!!99 01:03, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I've been doing that for a while, and it hasn't been an issue. I don't know why you're so concerned about it tbh. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 06:12, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

The purpose of giving a user the Rollback tool is so that they can more efficiently revert vandalism, not just more efficiently revert edits of all kinds - as such, I'm concerned about your use of Rollback, and I have the tools required to "punish" you. PenguinofDeath 11:07, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I still don't see what all the fuss is about. I've been making edits like the one mentioned since I got the tool, and no one has ever had any problem with it. That rollback that was given as an example was reverting an edit that was probably in good faith, but was clearly incorrect. If I find something that needs to be reverted, but may need an explanation, I'll give it, but like I mentioned earlier no one has ever had any problem with just using rollback, and that goes for any rollback'r. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 15:19, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Please read this carefully. Rollback shouldn't be used for non-vandal edits. I don't care if other Rollback'rs do it - they shouldn't. The edit might have "clearly" been incorrect, but the person who added it didn't think so, so you should have explained why you were reverting it. PenguinofDeath 15:47, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

But how do you know for sure that they truly meant what they wrote? That vandal catcher guy seemed pretty serious, but he really wasn't (sorry if you don't know who that is). Anyways like I said before, I'll use more discretion when reverting especially when an explanation may be needed, but I think this whole thing was a bit unnecessary. You, or really any mod, could have told me this at any time, but life went on as usual. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 16:05, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

PenguinofDeath, I don't think threatening Cheezperson with "punishment" helps the situation, that was originally between Cheezperson and RAN1, at all. He reverted what APPEARED to be vandalism and was given a "lecture" by a user who had only recently joined this place. So the vandal removed text and it was rolledback, undoing it and supplying a summary wouldn't have made much of difference, although it would shed some light on why it was reverted. Stop getting so upset at everyone, you already have me permablocked from the IRC channel because I told you that you had been expressing signs of having premenstrual syndrome, which was obviously a joke, since you aren't female and to my knowledge do not have female parts. Paper Bowser (talk) 17:48, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

My riposte, in full, point by point:

1. Actually, RAN1 first mentioned "punishment", then Cheezperson said words to the effect of "you can't punish me", implying that he wasn't taking what RAN1 was saying entirely seriously, so I mentioned the fact that I could "punish" him.
2. My reasons for getting involved in this discussion were because I want to see policy being upheld wherever possible - what are your reasons, exactly? I mean, aside from taking advantage of the opportunity to casually have a dig at me, of course.
3. He wasn't given a "lecture" - please learn what that word means.
4. It doesn't matter who says something, so long as they're right, so please don't bring longevity into this.
5. Please don't assume he was a vandal - that directly contravenes SmashWiki policy.
6. The need to "shed some light on why it was reverted" is exactly why Rollback shouldn't be used for non-vandal edits - it's polite to explain to someone why you're undoing their edit(s), instead of just Rollbacking them with no explanation why.
7. You haven't been "permablocked" from #wikia-smashbros - you have, in fact, already been unblocked. Also, I didn't block you from #wikia-smashbros just for saying that I was "being pms" or however you said it - it was for being generally annoying over a long period of time, that was just the final straw.

Thanks, PenguinofDeath 18:24, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

"Longevity"? Honestly? Don't thank me, you're the one getting upset... again. Paper Bowser (talk) 19:08, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Um, yes, he said "longevity". To quote my dictionary, it means "long duration of service," or, in this context, having an account for quite a while (what you said). I don't know why you're saying he is getting upset because he said that, but I wouldn't bring other problems into this discussion over Cheezperson's rollbacks. RAN1domchupunch!!99 22:51, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Seriously, is this such a big deal? I know nothing about Penguin and PB's arguments on the IRC, so I'll let that part go. As I said, myself and I'm sure a lot of other rollback'rs have used the feature in the way I used in the example, and no one has ever had any problem with it. I'll say my conclusion again: I'll use more discretion when I feel an explanation is necessary, but what was I supposed to say to the guy who made the edit? Sorry, your logic's wrong? Cheezperson {talk}stuff 01:05, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, yes. You should tell him the reason why his edit is unreasonable. As for explanations: it would be a good idea to make sure that you explain any reverts of non-vandal edits. It's certainly a lot less insulting to someone who wanted to contribute to explain to them why their edit is wrong. Like I said before, you should assume good faith. You shouldn't assume something is vandalism unless it obviously is (for example, putting completely random stuff on pages, swears, etc). If that guy gives a reason for blanking, just give a reason for reverting it. Don't rollback it just because it's easier, though; and I'm fairly certain that most people don't use it the way you do. In either case, just use the undo function to do stuff like that. RAN1domchupunch!!99 03:32, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Rollback is not to be used in cases of non-vandalism. It is not to be used just because you feel lazy; the only reverts that do not warrant an explanation of the revert are vandal reverts... which is what rollback is used for.

I understand how it might feel like you're being singled out Cheez, but that's really not the case. I know that a number of admins (myself included) have been pretty lax about misuse of rollback, but I assure you the intention was not to single you out personally- you most likely just happened to catch RAN's eye and he decided to post. Which, frankly, I'm thankful for- it's nice to see that someone remembers how to use rollback properly.

However, a couple things that I am going to respond to specifically:

• "Also, I hate to sound harsh, but you've got 0 authority over me and really everyone else here, so don't talk about punishment." SmashWiki:You are valuable- please follow it. Please don't try to debunk someone's perfectly logical claim with the fact that they do not have the authority to enforce it- it doesn't make sense. If someone points out (with direct quotes from policy to support themselves, no less!) that you're doin it rong, chances are you are indeed doin it rong, regardless of whether or not they have had a successful RfA.
• "If this is sour grapes over my comment on Smoreking's RFA, get over it." These types of insinuations that one or more other users are taking things personally seriously need to stop. Making a reasonable request (this one was even polite, too..) DOES NOT EQUAL someone holding a grudge against you. Please remember that, people.
• "that was originally between Cheezperson and RAN1[...]" If you want a conversation to be private, take it off wiki. I can not currently think of a single instance where helpful contributions from any user editing in good faith would be discouraged.
• "He reverted what APPEARED to be vandalism[...]" Removal of text (with a good-faith explanation, regardless of validity) is not vandalism. It is, at worst, a mistake. Let's not confuse the two.
• "was given a "lecture" by a user who had only recently joined this place." Age means nothing, end of story.
• "although it would shed some light on why it was reverted." That is the entire point of this discussion- the explanation. You can't just wave that away as though it's not the basic, underlying point of the whole conversation. It matters.

I realize that some of this post may be redundant and just a rewrite of what some editors have said above, but if it'll get people to actually start thinking about the topic rather than just throwing out baseless accusations and missing the ideas behind the controversy then I am glad to have posted. Shadowcrest 19:52, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

...you do realize that this has been resolved, right? Penguin and PB can keep mouthing at each other, I'm not a part of that. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 03:11, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

You do realize I was personally asked to respond to this constantly for 2 days straight, right? Shadowcrest 19:00, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Was I supposed to? The thing with me's over. PB and PoD still need to resolve though. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 22:43, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Yo

Wanna Brawl? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arteris1 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I do have Brawl and Wi-Fi...But I don't really want to Brawl right now. Maybe some other time, perhaps. RAN1domchupunch!!99 01:03, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

KK —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arteris1 (talk • contribs) 07:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Signing

Thank you for the edit at my place. I honestly don't know how to do what you did there, but I can just do what I did earlier to verify people who did not sign their posts. Admiral Pit (talk) 20:02, November 5, 2009 (UTC)Admiral Pit

You're welcome. As for that: well, doing that sort of editing is a bit complicated, but you can do it yourself to keep things tidy. You can just put {{subst:Unsigned|(User name)|Time & Date (UTC)}} to put that "unsigned" signature there. You will have to put in the user name and time/date yourself from the page history (you'll also have to convert your time into UTC time; you can get the offset from the Date & Time section of your account preferences). By the way, if you want to sign, just put ~~~~. You don't need to add your name at the end; the writing program puts your name for you when you sign. RAN1domchupunch!!! 20:18, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Tips?

um yeah i saw that thing you edited on my page and im a little new to this wiki and was wondering if you could give me a few pointers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skler-Edge (talk • contribs) 23:33, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, there are two types of pages that fall under your name: User:Skler-Edge and User talk:Skler-Edge. The first one is a personal page, open for you to put anything on it. It's basically a profile for you. The second, though, tends to be more important. There, people leave messages that are often questions, tips, and many other requests that anyone else can respond to, though it'll be you who responds most of the time. You'll probably be using this page a lot. It isn't your profile though; that's why I left that message before. Wikis normally use coding to create complicated stuff. However, I noticed on your user page that you added a category. You aren't supposed to add your user page to any categories. You should take that long paragraph category out and add the information into the page. Also, if you want to start a line with :D, you'll want to put <nowiki>:D</nowiki>. That's because ":" causes an indent in wikicode, and putting the <nowiki> tags turns off wikicoding for anything inside the tags. I hope that this isn't too confusing, but if you have any more questions, just ask. Oh, and by the way, sign your comments with ~~~~. That way, I don't have to manually add a sig like I did above, but instead you'll sign it without too much trouble. RAN1 03:14, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Sig change

K, Cool story bro. Later, Kid. ~Teh Blue Blur~^{~You're too slow!~} 20:24, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and I can call you "Kid" if I want, since that would make sense as you are younger than me... I mean, I Don't mind it when older guys call me "Kid". (The reason I told you that on AiB, was since it takes forever to scroll all the way to the bottom on the Internet Channel, and it gives me more freedom of speech there, as here you have a ton of rules to go by.) Oh, and you did ask KP first. I don't get why you didn't just tell me. I was just curious... -__- ~Teh Blue Blur~^{~You're too slow!~} 20:31, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

The blue blur, I only use my AiB account for social stuff. I'm not going to use it for discussing SW stuff, and probably never will, so if you want to talk about it, you do it here on my talk page, not AiB. And those "ton of rules" aren't such a ton of rules anyways, you have the right to speak up, you know. Lastly, I didn't ask KP to say anything on your talk page at all. I only asked him on his talk page to not do that because you already changed your sig. I still don't understand why you're still saying that I asked him. As for the "Kid" part…eh…fine, but still, I didn't ask KP to do that, because I would have noticed beforehand that your sig had been changed, and I don't use Special:WantedPages anyways, so… RAN1 21:40, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

I guess we're understood, now. Good day. ~Teh Blue Blur~^{~You're too slow!~} 11:49, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Matts!

Sorry. i know him...and the profession troll edit was for real....Lol. He has been banned from EGX/Galaxy multiple times, but no one cares enough to auto IP ban him. So yes...everything I said is true...just see his old Matts! + Ybombb page --KoRoBeNiKi (talk) 01:28, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

What you added now certainly works, since it looks a lot more encyclopedic, and doesn't look like it's meant to be vandalism of the page. By the way, the "Matts! + Ybombb" page you created got deleted because it was redundant and the information should have been on Matts!'s page, so you may want to consider putting whatever you said there over there, though in the same style you used just now to avoid making it look bad. RAN1 01:57, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

RAN1: ... KoRo didn't create that page... o.O Quite the opposite, in fact, as he was the one who tagged it for deletion.

KoRo: I know everything you said was true, and that he wouldn't really mind you doing that, but it was just the way you said it - thanks for making it more formal. PenguinofDeath 09:08, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Edits

hi there. two things to talk to you about.the first thing is why did you delete my worlds records?they are true,and i never lie.I am nice but that did annoy me a little.Crazy hand was true but why did you delete it? My second thing is do you want to play brawl with me?I am a pretty good player and love to play with others.So what do you think?I understand you talked about and i understand.Well thank you for reading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MasterSword (talk • contribs) 20:50, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

First of all, your world records were deleted because some SmashWikidians feel that world records like these need to be left on Smasher pages. If you fit the criteria for notable Smashers, you may create a Smasher page where you can list your world records. Second, the Crazy Hand reverts were made by this guy, but since you're asking me, I might as well explain: When we said that he didn't appear in the Subspace Emissary, but appeared in Boss Battles, we talked about a discrepancy; all of the bosses that were in Boss Battles were in the Subspace Emissary except Crazy Hand. Because Classic Mode had nothing to do with the discrepancy, your edit was reverted. Oh, and by the way, when putting stuff here, don't add stuff, like that "{{t|sticker list}}" when the template is nonexistent, otherwise you'll cause confusion

Lastly, I do have Brawl, as well as WiFi, but I'm a tad swamped right now due to school and whatnot. Maybe some other time…I hope this clears up any confusion you may have had about the reverts. Also, sign with ~~~~, otherwise, you'll have to manually add a signature like I did with your message. RAN1 21:19, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks alot

It didn't work, but at least i made my own user page (but i still can't make a account!) -chihuahuabeta —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.253.169.236 (talk • contribs) 22:41, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, if you can't create an account, you can't make a user page, and you can't use a custom signature. You can see here if you'd like. This also means you have to use ~~~~ in order to sign your comments. In any case, what message does Wikia give you when it says that it can't create an account? RAN1 22:48, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Probably he's not old enough. That's my case. 98.117.158.220 03:46, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Talk page

do i have to remove my talk page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luigi Iz Pro (talk • contribs) 21:35, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

See your talk page. RAN1 03:33, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Another talk page

Thanks for helping me with my talk page. I actually forgot I wrote that huge paragraph, and well, I can't think of anything else to say atm, except Thank you, again. Admiral Pit (talk) 00:44, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Also, if Woody decides to troll you again, don't mind reporting it here to the Admins' Noticeboard. RAN1 00:51, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'll do my best. I may not know what to say should he go at it again, or if I am to link the location of where he starts trolling, not that he did it again yet, but still, should it happen, I do want to tell the admins bout this without saying the wrong thing. I might actually tell you first when he's at it again so I don't make a mistake. Admiral Pit (talk) 00:59, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

If he starts trolling on the wiki, an admin will probably see it, but post a link to any trolling in the Admins' Noticeboard (or here, if you want) if he starts trolling again. Don't even respond to him: trolls normally feed on attention, so it's a good idea to avoid giving him any more attention. He'll likely be blocked for disruption if he continues to troll you anymore, so don't bother. RAN1 01:20, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Despite his great stupidity, I'll do what I can to try to avoid responding the guy, though I usually have responded. Thanks again for the help. Admiral Pit (talk) 01:35, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Admiral Pit, you saying "despite his great stupidity" is exactly the kind of attention Woody wants, as well as a personal attack. This policy is very strict, and you should try to avoid making PAs as much as possible. RAN1 01:50, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I really gotta learn how to say the right things, but in honesty, he's "easy" to deal with compared to many others. However, I'll try to avoid it upon request, though not truly easy with my personality. Admiral Pit (talk) 01:56, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Question

Uh hi i was wondering where to put a group i recently made with my friends where should i put the box info from or just put it on my user page or talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koßu (talk • contribs) 00:16, January 9, 2010

First of all, sign your comments with ~~~~. You should put any profile-type content on your user page, and never on your talk page. For example, this should not contain that box and should be moved to your user page. RAN1 23:40, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

1

In the future, rather than just re-reverting edits that could potentially escalate into a revert war, contact the editor and discuss the controversial edits (preferably on the article's talkpage). Thanks. Shadowcrest 21:11, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

regarding the second part of your point here

I suppose you're right that I should have moved my last paragraph of my post yesterday here, but other than that your post was complete libel. I have not anywhere in that discussion assumed malicious intent out of anyone. You seem to be acutely unaware of the differences between disagreement and persecution- I have nothing against you, Sky, Toomai etc. and I do not believe you are acting to harm the wiki. I'd block you if I did. I do think you all are dead wrong, but that is completely and totally unrelated to my personal conduct regarding you all. So, for the second time, stop making baseless ad hominems against me that divert the discussion, seeing as you ignored my last request. Shadowcrest 21:30, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Very well then, I'll stop. RAN1 21:57, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

lol

1 good one, I guess I can't read. Shadowcrest 21:31, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

In that case, so much for "modified." RAN1 21:34, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

hurrrr Shadowcrest 21:49, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

uh no

*rasberry* —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pichu70 (talk • contribs) 05:19, January 26, 2010

Pichu, you must be the gayest douchebag in the whole world. You just keep dreaming, but soon we will ban you. Stop your actions now! (Ninoaguila (talk) 06:32, January 27, 2010 (UTC))

I already banned him... Also, if you keep PAing people ("you must be the gayest douchebag in the world") you run the risk of getting banned yourself. PenguinofDeath 10:42, January 27, 2010 (UTC)