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Oh why can't this wiki have a Template:Clear like Guildwiki? /sigh..  --[[User:Shadowcrest|Shadowcrest]] 04:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh why can't this wiki have a Template:Clear like Guildwiki? /sigh..  --[[User:Shadowcrest|Shadowcrest]] 04:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:Many wiki(a)s have them located at [[Template:Clr|T:Clr]], T:Clrl, and T:Clrr. :) --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]]) 22:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
:Many wiki(a)s have them located at [[Template:Clr|T:Clr]], T:Clrl, and T:Clrr. :) --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]]) 22:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
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== SHADOWCREST MAH BOIIIII ==
== SHADOWCREST MAH BOIIIII ==


The sig is phix'd@@@ <span style="border:2px outset #33cc00;background-color:#ff0000;-moz-border-radius:7px"> [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<font style="font-family:arial black;"><span style="color:#ffffff">Koopa</span>]] [[Image:Koopersshell.gif|19px]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ffffff">Klaus</span></font>]]</span> 22:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
The sig is phix'd@@@ <span style="border:2px outset #33cc00;background-color:#ff0000;-moz-border-radius:7px"> [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<font style="font-family:arial black;"><span style="color:#ffffff">Koopa</span>]] [[File:Koopersshell.gif|19px]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ffffff">Klaus</span></font>]]</span> 22:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


Hope U made lotsa speggeti BNK! [[User:Masterman|<font color="red">Mas</font><font color="Black">ter</font><font color="Blue">man</font>]] [[User talk: Masterman|<font color="Green">What's the matter?</font>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Masterman|<font color="Brown">Scared?</font>]] 22:14, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Hope U made lotsa speggeti BNK! [[User:Masterman|<font color="red">Mas</font><font color="Black">ter</font><font color="Blue">man</font>]] [[User talk: Masterman|<font color="Green">What's the matter?</font>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Masterman|<font color="Brown">Scared?</font>]] 22:14, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
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== Enough ==
== Enough ==


Quit stirring the pot. We're done arguing, so there's no need for you to call me a troll anymoar. <span style="border:2px outset #33cc00;background-color:#ff0000;-moz-border-radius:7px"> [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<font style="font-family:arial black;"><span style="color:#ffffff">Koopa</span>]] [[Image:Koopersshell.gif|19px]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ffffff">Klaus</span></font>]]</span> 23:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Quit stirring the pot. We're done arguing, so there's no need for you to call me a troll anymoar. <span style="border:2px outset #33cc00;background-color:#ff0000;-moz-border-radius:7px"> [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<font style="font-family:arial black;"><span style="color:#ffffff">Koopa</span>]] [[File:Koopersshell.gif|19px]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ffffff">Klaus</span></font>]]</span> 23:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:Then please don't link to me in things like that. :/  --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 23:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:Then please don't link to me in things like that. :/  --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 23:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::I expected you to write something completely different, but I see your point. Sorry. In your summary, you could've wrote "Plz don't link me in this forum" or something like that. :^) <span style="border:2px outset #33cc00;background-color:#ff0000;-moz-border-radius:7px"> [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<font style="font-family:arial black;"><span style="color:#ffffff">Koopa</span>]] [[Image:Koopersshell.gif|19px]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ffffff">Klaus</span></font>]]</span> 23:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::I expected you to write something completely different, but I see your point. Sorry. In your summary, you could've wrote "Plz don't link me in this forum" or something like that. :^) <span style="border:2px outset #33cc00;background-color:#ff0000;-moz-border-radius:7px"> [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<font style="font-family:arial black;"><span style="color:#ffffff">Koopa</span>]] [[File:Koopersshell.gif|19px]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ffffff">Klaus</span></font>]]</span> 23:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


== Hmm ==
== Hmm ==
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#[[User talk:SZL]]
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#[[User talk:SZL/Overhaul]]
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#[[SmashWiki talk:Admin Noticeboard]]
#SmashWiki talk:Admin noticeboard
#<nowiki>[[SmashWiki talk:Administrate users, not content]]</nowiki>
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*Some (18%) of his edits have bad language.
*Some (18%) of his edits have bad language.
*Some (14%) of his edits can be considered constructive.
*Some (14%) of his edits can be considered constructive.
In other words, almost two-thirds (61%) of 13375poolR's edits are unconstructive and can be considered trolling. While that may not be worthy of a block as of now, he's definately on thin ice, and he has been warned about his attitude before <s>(although he was never actually blocked)</s>. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> <small>[[Special:Contributions/Toomai|cntrbs]]</small> 02:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
In other words, almost two-thirds (61%) of 13375poolR's edits are unconstructive and can be considered trolling. While that may not be worthy of a block as of now, he's definately on thin ice, and he has been warned about his attitude before <s>(although he was never actually blocked)</s>. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> <small>[[Special:Contributions/Toomai|cntrbs]]</small> 02:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:*I fail to see how his rants are disruptive. Practically everyone just ignores them, don't they? I don't see how that causes harm. He's not asking for people to pay attention to his rants, either, he just does his thing and goes away. He's sort of like a dog, really.
:*I fail to see how his rants are disruptive. Practically everyone just ignores them, don't they? I don't see how that causes harm. He's not asking for people to pay attention to his rants, either, he just does his thing and goes away. He's sort of like a dog, really.
:*I believe the personal attacks are what he was warned about/banned for before. If I see him do it, I'll ban him, no question.
:*I believe the personal attacks are what he was warned about/banned for before. If I see him do it, I'll ban him, no question.
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:"Quick"? :/
:"Quick"? :/
:I may comment on this section when I have time (I'm gone until sunday), but just for the sake of correction [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3A13375poolR&year=&month=-1 he was blocked]. <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 07:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:I may comment on this section when I have time (I'm gone until sunday), but just for the sake of correction [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3A13375poolR&year=&month=-1 he was blocked]. <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 07:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hm, guess I wasn't using the AllLogs page correctly. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> <small>[[Special:Contributions/Toomai|cntrbs]]</small> 11:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hm, guess I wasn't using the AllLogs page correctly. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> <small>[[Special:Contributions/Toomai|cntrbs]]</small> 11:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::That was amazing what Toomai did. Obviously, this situation is troll-stick-up-for-troll. I think this pool's closed guy at least needs some warnings. Remember, BNK was kept alive by Shadowcrest, but look at him now (I learned this on AiB). He just seems to come back for, eh... "moar". [[User:Paper Bowser|Paper Bowser]] ([[User talk:Paper Bowser|talk]]) 01:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:::That was amazing what Toomai did. Obviously, this situation is troll-stick-up-for-troll. I think this pool's closed guy at least needs some warnings. Remember, BNK was kept alive by Shadowcrest, but look at him now (I learned this on AiB). He just seems to come back for, eh... "moar". [[User:Paper Bowser|Paper Bowser]] ([[User talk:Paper Bowser|talk]]) 01:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Firstly, branding another user a troll is a pretty strong allegation to make. As far as I know, Semicolon has never abused his powers as an administrator, and has never made a bad faith edit, though the tone of his comments occasionally borders on trollish. 13375poolR has already been given "some warnings" - he has in fact been blocked several times. This is because his comments, unlike Semicolon's, quite often overstep the mark. Blue Ninjakoopa wasn't the best example you could have picked as he only trolled occasionally, and frequently made good faith edits, but one time he overstepped the mark so far that it was decided that he should be banned permanently as the good faith edits didn't make up for the bad faith ones. 13375poolR, unlike either BNK or Semicolon, talks utter nonsense most of the time, and while his edits may be in good faith, only six of them have actually added anything of value to the page. 13375poolR's a trouble-maker, Semicolon just sometimes argues his point in an overly harsh way. Also, it seems like some people are trying slightly too hard to get 13375poolR banned, but without providing really solid reasons (preferably quoting policy and times when he's infringed it). O yeah, and he's called 13375poolR - where did the "pool's closed guy" comment come from? '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 09:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Firstly, branding another user a troll is a pretty strong allegation to make. As far as I know, Semicolon has never abused his powers as an administrator, and has never made a bad faith edit, though the tone of his comments occasionally borders on trollish. 13375poolR has already been given "some warnings" - he has in fact been blocked several times. This is because his comments, unlike Semicolon's, quite often overstep the mark. Blue Ninjakoopa wasn't the best example you could have picked as he only trolled occasionally, and frequently made good faith edits, but one time he overstepped the mark so far that it was decided that he should be banned permanently as the good faith edits didn't make up for the bad faith ones. 13375poolR, unlike either BNK or Semicolon, talks utter nonsense most of the time, and while his edits may be in good faith, only six of them have actually added anything of value to the page. 13375poolR's a trouble-maker, Semicolon just sometimes argues his point in an overly harsh way. Also, it seems like some people are trying slightly too hard to get 13375poolR banned, but without providing really solid reasons (preferably quoting policy and times when he's infringed it). O yeah, and he's called 13375poolR - where did the "pool's closed guy" comment come from? '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 09:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
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I'm having a hard time figuring out how PoD is in control over how the IRC channel works when you have more power. You both did agree on my block for a little while, but you sent me a personal message at AiB telling me that he is the one who decides. If I have to say it, I '''have''' learned my lesson. I don't know why I even bothered trolling (?) him in the first place. (Oh, and please respond to this message, too.) Thanks, [[User:Paper Bowser|Paper Bowser]] ([[User talk:Paper Bowser|talk]]) 18:08, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
I'm having a hard time figuring out how PoD is in control over how the IRC channel works when you have more power. You both did agree on my block for a little while, but you sent me a personal message at AiB telling me that he is the one who decides. If I have to say it, I '''have''' learned my lesson. I don't know why I even bothered trolling (?) him in the first place. (Oh, and please respond to this message, too.) Thanks, [[User:Paper Bowser|Paper Bowser]] ([[User talk:Paper Bowser|talk]]) 18:08, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
:You have an AiB account, you use IM, you're not banned on SmashWiki - there are plenty of ways for you to talk to people who use the IRC channel without actually using the channel yourself, so I don't see any desperate need to unban you, nor am I inclined to do so anyway given what you did to get yourself banned in the first place and the way you acted following that. Sorry, but unless you show me that you've really changed and won't just go back to your old behavior, I don't see a compelling reason to change the status quo. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 20:42, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
:You have an AiB account, you use IM, you're not banned on SmashWiki - there are plenty of ways for you to talk to people who use the IRC channel without actually using the channel yourself, so I don't see any desperate need to unban you, nor am I inclined to do so anyway given what you did to get yourself banned in the first place and the way you acted following that. Sorry, but unless you show me that you've really changed and won't just go back to your old behavior, I don't see a compelling reason to change the status quo. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 20:42, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
::I would argue that "status quo" is not being banned, unless the user has a long history of being banned and deserves it in many people's opinion. Also, I'm interested in knowing how someone can prove anything about their predicted future actions over the internet. (However, I am unaware of the circumstances of this incident, so I'm possibly/probably/certainly wrong.) [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 22:19, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
::I would argue that "status quo" is not being banned, unless the user has a long history of being banned and deserves it in many people's opinion. Also, I'm interested in knowing how someone can prove anything about their predicted future actions over the internet. (However, I am unaware of the circumstances of this incident, so I'm possibly/probably/certainly wrong.) [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 22:19, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
:::I didn't think that "status quo" was the right phrase either, but that's what Shadowcrest said to say (he proofread my comment and made changes as he felt were appropriate). I think "the current situation" would have been better, but the meaning was clear enough. You can't "prove" anything about predicted future actions, but you can predict said actions with a reasonably high degree of accuracy, so it's not exactly unfair to make decisions based on those predictions. And yeah, there are very few people who know the full story. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 10:28, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
:::I didn't think that "status quo" was the right phrase either, but that's what Shadowcrest said to say (he proofread my comment and made changes as he felt were appropriate). I think "the current situation" would have been better, but the meaning was clear enough. You can't "prove" anything about predicted future actions, but you can predict said actions with a reasonably high degree of accuracy, so it's not exactly unfair to make decisions based on those predictions. And yeah, there are very few people who know the full story. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 10:28, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
::::Status quo = the way things currently are = he is currently banned, srs. <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 20:00, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
::::Status quo = the way things currently are = he is currently banned, srs. <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 20:00, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
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==BNK==
==BNK==
In the Kirby wiki, Blue Ninjakoopa is an admin. Recently he asked me to tell you that he felt you were being unfair about his ban. I don't think he should be banned, he's not a vandal. I heard the reason was because he uploaded one of your pictures as an avatar. I don't know details, but that doesn't seem to be enough to ban him. Do you think you could consider unbanning him? [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 02:27, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
In the Kirby wiki, Blue Ninjakoopa is an admin. Recently he asked me to tell you that he felt you were being unfair about his ban. I don't think he should be banned, he's not a vandal. I heard the reason was because he uploaded one of your pictures as an avatar. I don't know details, but that doesn't seem to be enough to ban him. Do you think you could consider unbanning him? [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 02:27, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
:The incident you describe was not the reason for the banning - it was merely the tipping point of a long line of quibbles and other incidents, some of which merited (and earned) bans by themselves. BNK is no vandal - but I'm sure that few (if any) people here would like his attitude back. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 03:33, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
:The incident you describe was not the reason for the banning - it was merely the tipping point of a long line of quibbles and other incidents, some of which merited (and earned) bans by themselves. BNK is no vandal - but I'm sure that few (if any) people here would like his attitude back. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 03:33, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
:Frankly, the ban I placed was entirely fair. During the period before I blocked him, I was the only admin who didn't support a permaban, but for whatever reason people didn't argue it much with me so I didn't perma him. As Toomai said, that event was just what made me personally distrust him- I was just the one to block him because I knew everyone else already supported a perma and he'd already been blocked by [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3ABlue+Ninjakoopa&year=&month=-1&hide_patrol_log=1 6 different admins].  
:Frankly, the ban I placed was entirely fair. During the period before I blocked him, I was the only admin who didn't support a permaban, but for whatever reason people didn't argue it much with me so I didn't perma him. As Toomai said, that event was just what made me personally distrust him- I was just the one to block him because I knew everyone else already supported a perma and he'd already been blocked by [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3ABlue+Ninjakoopa&year=&month=-1&hide_patrol_log=1 6 different admins].  
:And actually, Toomai, I'm not so sure- many of our users seem to be unable to separate personal feelings from what is best for the wiki. <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 16:27, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
:And actually, Toomai, I'm not so sure- many of our users seem to be unable to separate personal feelings from what is best for the wiki. <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 16:27, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
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You should add a disclaimer to all character's articles saying that things said in the article means nothing given the user's pure effectiveness with the character. It's in the wrong for someone who wants to learn about Ganondorf and finds nothing but complaints, then refuse to even touch him. It's also a disgrace to us Ganondorf fans. {{unsigned|SSBC|20:52, February 27, 2010}}
You should add a disclaimer to all character's articles saying that things said in the article means nothing given the user's pure effectiveness with the character. It's in the wrong for someone who wants to learn about Ganondorf and finds nothing but complaints, then refuse to even touch him. It's also a disgrace to us Ganondorf fans. {{unsigned|SSBC|20:52, February 27, 2010}}
:::There aren't "nothing but complaints", there are truths as to why Ganon sucks.  His jump is short, no matter how good you are, etc.  Don't take it personally.  I main Zelda.  She's low tier too, and while I may somewhat disagree with her exact placement, I accept that she isn't the best character in the game and in a perfect skill balance, she loses to better characters.  But I know that I still play my best with her, so I deal with it.  You should learn to do the same with Ganon.  Oh, and tiers aren't meaningless in the face of skill.  Yes, skill can be more important, but you are a total idiot if you think that there is no way that the innate pros and cons of characters doesn't matter.  Here's an example.  My friend Shane is one hell of a hunter and a damn good shot.  So let's say he and I go head to head and he has a bow and arrow (which he is very good with) and I have a M4 (which, while I can shoot, I don't know that much about).  Even though the M4 is clearly better, my money is on Shane.  But now say I've got the Farsight from PerfectDark.  That thing is so much better (auto-aim, shoot through walls) that his skill don't mean crap.  The first example is kinda like the Zelda v. Ganon match-up, the second is basically Ganon v. Meta Knight.  Tiers exist whether you like them or not.  And the next time you say something to the effect of "you can ban me for saying this..." I will take it as you requesting to be banned.  If you think you are going to be banned for saying something, then you shouldn't be saying it.  And if you don't think you're going to be banned for saying it, why are you prefacing it with such nonsense in the first place?  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 05:11, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
:::There aren't "nothing but complaints", there are truths as to why Ganon sucks.  His jump is short, no matter how good you are, etc.  Don't take it personally.  I main Zelda.  She's low tier too, and while I may somewhat disagree with her exact placement, I accept that she isn't the best character in the game and in a perfect skill balance, she loses to better characters.  But I know that I still play my best with her, so I deal with it.  You should learn to do the same with Ganon.  Oh, and tiers aren't meaningless in the face of skill.  Yes, skill can be more important, but you are a total idiot if you think that there is no way that the innate pros and cons of characters doesn't matter.  Here's an example.  My friend Shane is one hell of a hunter and a damn good shot.  So let's say he and I go head to head and he has a bow and arrow (which he is very good with) and I have a M4 (which, while I can shoot, I don't know that much about).  Even though the M4 is clearly better, my money is on Shane.  But now say I've got the Farsight from PerfectDark.  That thing is so much better (auto-aim, shoot through walls) that his skill don't mean crap.  The first example is kinda like the Zelda v. Ganon match-up, the second is basically Ganon v. Meta Knight.  Tiers exist whether you like them or not.  And the next time you say something to the effect of "you can ban me for saying this..." I will take it as you requesting to be banned.  If you think you are going to be banned for saying something, then you shouldn't be saying it.  And if you don't think you're going to be banned for saying it, why are you prefacing it with such nonsense in the first place?  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 05:11, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
:I propose that such a disclaimer would insinuate that the average user has no common sense. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 21:06, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
:I propose that such a disclaimer would insinuate that the average user has no common sense. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 21:06, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
::This wiki is meant to present information, not make you feel good about a crap character. Also, Toomai.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 21:30, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
::This wiki is meant to present information, not make you feel good about a crap character. Also, Toomai.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 21:30, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
:::Aw, you three beat me to it. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:48, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
:::Aw, you three beat me to it. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:48, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
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==RE: hi==
==RE: hi==
Thanks. {{SUBST:Nosubst|Signatures/Tienjt0}} 13:43, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. <nowiki>{{SUBST:Nosubst|Signatures/Tienjt0}}</nowiki> 13:43, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
:Woops, my signature seems messed up...
:Woops, my signature seems messed up...
::I think the code you want in preferences is <nowiki>{{subst:User:Tienjt0/Sig}}</nowiki>, and make sure you have the custom signature box enabled. <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 13:48, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
::I think the code you want in preferences is <nowiki>{{subst:User:Tienjt0/Sig}}</nowiki>, and make sure you have the custom signature box enabled. <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 13:48, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
:::The problem is that I edit another wiki (far more often than this one, unfortunately :p) that uses the template space for signatures... and it looks like our signatures apply across all wikis. {{User:Tienjt0/Sig}} 13:53, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
:::The problem is that I edit another wiki (far more often than this one, unfortunately :p) that uses the template space for signatures... and it looks like our signatures apply across all wikis. <nowiki>{{User:Tienjt0/Sig}}</nowiki> 13:53, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
::::I know the feeling- I once edited [http://guildwars.wikia.com GWiki] a lot, and wikia really does make things a bitch... but it looks like you've got it all worked out :>  <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 13:55, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
::::I know the feeling- I once edited [http://guildwars.wikia.com GWiki] a lot, and wikia really does make things a bitch... but it looks like you've got it all worked out :>  <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 13:55, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yep. >.< {{User:Tienjt0/Sig}} 13:57, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yep. >.< <nowiki>{{User:Tienjt0/Sig}}</nowiki> 13:57, April 5, 2010 (UTC)


== You're right ==
== You're right ==
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==Made up Tier Lists Forums==
==Made up Tier Lists Forums==
Can I please have the stuff back that was in the section? I'll move it to my user page if you want! [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 16:28, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
Can I please have the stuff back that was in the section? I'll move it to my user page if you want! [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 16:28, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
:All the stuff that was in that section was moved to other sections. Nothing was deleted other than the ability to classify forums as "made-up tier lists". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 16:40, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
:All the stuff that was in that section was moved to other sections. Nothing was deleted other than the ability to classify forums as "made-up tier lists". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 16:40, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
==IRC==
==IRC==
Can you please unblock me from Irc, I'm sorry about what I said. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 01:35, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
Can you please unblock me from Irc, I'm sorry about what I said. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 01:35, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
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==Userpages==
==Userpages==
To be sure, when an user is permabanned, that is not a proper precedent for deleting their userpage? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 08:58, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
To be sure, when an user is permabanned, that is not a proper precedent for deleting their userpage? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 08:58, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
:It hasn't been done before (except for once which I missed and would have reverted had I seen), and furthermore I see no reason to do it in the first place. What do we gain from deleting the page of a perma'd user, exactly? Nothing. So at best we lose nothing, but in cases like Zeldasmash where he spends 90% of his day editing his userspace, all the evidence for the block becomes immediately unavailable to all non-admins. If you have a reason to delete their userpages that I am magically failing to see, do share.  <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 12:52, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
:It hasn't been done before (except for once which I missed and would have reverted had I seen), and furthermore I see no reason to do it in the first place. What do we gain from deleting the page of a perma'd user, exactly? Nothing. So at best we lose nothing, but in cases like Zeldasmash where he spends 90% of his day editing his userspace, all the evidence for the block becomes immediately unavailable to all non-admins. If you have a reason to delete their userpages that I am magically failing to see, do share.  <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 12:52, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with you, I was just making sure that an user being permabanned is not a proper reason to delete their userpage for future reference. Before I deleted 13375poolR's userpage, I noticed that other users who were permabanned had their userpages deleted, such as [[User:SSBC|SSBC]]. So when I saw the delete tag on 13775poolR's userpage, I though that it was proper procedure to delete the userpages of permabanned users. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 13:05, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with you, I was just making sure that an user being permabanned is not a proper reason to delete their userpage for future reference. Before I deleted 13375poolR's userpage, I noticed that other users who were permabanned had their userpages deleted, such as [[User:SSBC|SSBC]]. So when I saw the delete tag on 13775poolR's userpage, I though that it was proper procedure to delete the userpages of permabanned users. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 13:05, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
:::SSBC was the one example I was talking about that I missed :P. Every other perma'd user (not including throwaway accounts) had their userpage kept, though<!-- that I saw-->.
:::SSBC was the one example I was talking about that I missed :P. Every other perma'd user (not including throwaway accounts) had their userpage kept, though<!-- that I saw-->.
:::I don't fault you for deleting it; it might even be standard practice elsewhere. I just find it detrimental to do, so I reverted. (I also reverted Toomai when he did it a couple days ago.) <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 15:25, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't fault you for deleting it; it might even be standard practice elsewhere. I just find it detrimental to do, so I reverted. (I also reverted Toomai when he did it a couple days ago.) <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 15:25, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::Then what the heck is the rule on here? Don't remove talk page content unless your an admin who is deleting a page? I'm confused. <font face="sand" color="silver">[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#ff2000">Doctor Pain 99</font>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">C</font>]][[User Talk:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">T</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">E</font>]])</font> [[file:dp99.png]] 01:44, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
:::::Then what the heck is the rule on here? Don't remove talk page content unless your an admin who is deleting a page? I'm confused. <font face="sand" color="silver">[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#ff2000">Doctor Pain 99</font>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">C</font>]][[User Talk:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">T</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">E</font>]])</font> [[file:dp99.png]] 01:44, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


The intention of the "don't remove comments" rule is so people don't have to wade through revisions to see what-all people have said. Deleting a page keeps the comments intact, but only admins can see it, and in the case of vandal accounts it can be better to hide the comments from the general public. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] 02:29, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
The intention of the "don't remove comments" rule is so people don't have to wade through revisions to see what-all people have said. Deleting a page keeps the comments intact, but only admins can see it, and in the case of vandal accounts it can be better to hide the comments from the general public. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px]] 02:29, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


:I honestly didn't use any standards of keeping/deleting vandal talk pages or whatever for this case. Normally I'd oppose deleting talk pages. However, in this case, some certain editors (don't recall who) would simply not shut the fuck up on the talk page. I had a problem with this because 1) it's in the wrong place, and since I'm not even sure he was a vandal that's just ... and 2) the discussion was retarded anyway. The rule for 99% of cases is going to be don't remove content.  <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 05:20, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
:I honestly didn't use any standards of keeping/deleting vandal talk pages or whatever for this case. Normally I'd oppose deleting talk pages. However, in this case, some certain editors (don't recall who) would simply not shut the fuck up on the talk page. I had a problem with this because 1) it's in the wrong place, and since I'm not even sure he was a vandal that's just ... and 2) the discussion was retarded anyway. The rule for 99% of cases is going to be don't remove content.  <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 05:20, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
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== deh new poll ==
== deh new poll ==


Is there an event in particular that spurred the new poll on your userpage, or was it just a "whatever let's do this"? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 03:01, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
Is there an event in particular that spurred the new poll on your userpage, or was it just a "whatever let's do this"? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 03:01, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind, [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Susan_Taylor/Experience_the_new_Wikia I found it]. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 13:58, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind, [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Susan_Taylor/Experience_the_new_Wikia I found it]. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 13:58, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
::Actually I was emailed by someone from NIWA asking if I was interested and if the community was interested. Though ofc wikia being a piece of shit never hurts.  <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 18:39, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
::Actually I was emailed by someone from NIWA asking if I was interested and if the community was interested. Though ofc wikia being a piece of shit never hurts.  <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 18:39, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
:Hi, I sent said email since NIWA is currently taking steps to set up a Super Smash Bros. wiki. We like SmashWiki and have talked to Shadowcrest in the past, so instead of creating a competing wiki right off the bat, I'm offering to host SmashWiki on an independent domain (currently ssbwiki.com). So if there's any interest in leaving Wikia, let's continue to discuss this. --[[User:Porplemontage|Porplemontage]] ([[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]) 20:21, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
:Hi, I sent said email since NIWA is currently taking steps to set up a Super Smash Bros. wiki. We like SmashWiki and have talked to Shadowcrest in the past, so instead of creating a competing wiki right off the bat, I'm offering to host SmashWiki on an independent domain (currently ssbwiki.com). So if there's any interest in leaving Wikia, let's continue to discuss this. --[[User:Porplemontage|Porplemontage]] ([[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]) 20:21, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
::We should probably discuss this in the place we've already set up to do such. Shadowcrest should be able to e-mail you where it is. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 21:45, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
::We should probably discuss this in the place we've already set up to do such. Shadowcrest should be able to e-mail you where it is. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 21:45, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
:::That sounds good, but I still don't know where this place is. --[[User:Porplemontage|Porplemontage]] ([[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]) 04:09, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
:::That sounds good, but I still don't know where this place is. --[[User:Porplemontage|Porplemontage]] ([[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]) 04:09, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't either tbh, Toomai said it was a forum but I can't find it. :P <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 04:39, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't either tbh, Toomai said it was a forum but I can't find it. :P <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 04:39, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
:::::http://sysoplounge.proboards.com/ I think an admin has to validate new accounts. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 12:55, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
:::::http://sysoplounge.proboards.com/ I think an admin has to validate new accounts. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 12:55, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
Is this move to NIWA official? Should everyone start packing and moving out? [[User:Mako Shark|<span style="color:#336891">Shark</span>]] <b>[[User talk:Mako Shark|<span style="color:#9bbed0">(talk)</span>]]</b> 19:10, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
Is this move to NIWA official? Should everyone start packing and moving out? [[User:Mako Shark|<span style="color:#336891">Shark</span>]] <b>[[User talk:Mako Shark|<span style="color:#9bbed0">(talk)</span>]]</b> 19:10, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
:In my opinion, anyone who wants to contribute to the new wiki can, and if you're not interested you can continue to contribute to SmashWikia. I will eventually leave SmashWikia for SmashWiki, but nobody is being forced to come with me. <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 20:30, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
:In my opinion, anyone who wants to contribute to the new wiki can, and if you're not interested you can continue to contribute to SmashWikia. I will eventually leave SmashWikia for SmashWiki, but nobody is being forced to come with me. <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 20:30, September 29, 2010 (UTC)