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Doesn't anyone use the #s no moar? '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 00:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Doesn't anyone use the #s no moar? '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 00:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:In IE7, they're broken. I've had this problem with bulleted lists, too. I'm trying to work out what they are. Additionally, there is no downside to using a hardcoded list- it's not changing anytime soon. {{unsigned|Shadowcrest}}
:In IE7, they're broken. I've had this problem with bulleted lists, too. I'm trying to work out what they are. Additionally, there is no downside to using a hardcoded list- it's not changing anytime soon. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Shadowcrest|Shadowcrest]] ([[User talk:Shadowcrest|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shadowcrest|contribs]]) </small>
::Sorry. And what I said about his true interest in pokemon, I meant that he learns and studies everything so he can appear smarter and better than everyone else. Still, I was wrong, and I apologize. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 19:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::Sorry. And what I said about his true interest in pokemon, I meant that he learns and studies everything so he can appear smarter and better than everyone else. Still, I was wrong, and I apologize. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 19:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:::By the way, congratulations on your promotion to SysOp. I have no clue how you did it, but you made history. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:::By the way, congratulations on your promotion to SysOp. I have no clue how you did it, but you made history. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
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:::::"These two mods rule this site with a douchebag fist." Where have you been for the past six months? They hardly edit any more. The active Admins are now Shadowcrest, Smoreking, Miles and me, and we don't "rule this site with a douchebag fist". And cut out the PAs. This discussion was entirely civil, and even included two users who've been antagonizing each other for years apologize for their behavior, then you come along and start calling people jerks. I fail to see what made you think "I certainly have to chime in", and that your response was appropriate. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 21:41, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
:::::"These two mods rule this site with a douchebag fist." Where have you been for the past six months? They hardly edit any more. The active Admins are now Shadowcrest, Smoreking, Miles and me, and we don't "rule this site with a douchebag fist". And cut out the PAs. This discussion was entirely civil, and even included two users who've been antagonizing each other for years apologize for their behavior, then you come along and start calling people jerks. I fail to see what made you think "I certainly have to chime in", and that your response was appropriate. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 21:41, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
::::::Well, I see that, as usual, my main points were disregarded. Semicolon, I do so love your "truths"; they are so educational. Especially the ones that are entirely obvious. As for my causing disruption or lacking points, I'd be '''quite''' pleased to go through each and every edit on a case by case basis, slowly trying to figure out how that could possibly be true. -Were my contributions what most would consider to be substantial? I greatly doubt it. -And if that was all that mattered in life (or, SW; as you seem to consider it a separate entity), the crap you dole out would be totally justified. I can of course assume that those people who made your standard of marginal edits were not also trolled to death by the likes of you, and so did continue to contribute. --I thought a mere one or two PA's of my own were entirely justified by your own, which still continue in a steady stream. Maybe I should try a different technique with such a ..."unique" foe.... : "I'm making fun of you. I'm right. You're a loser. That's the way it is. You're a loser." -Sound familiar?
::::::Well, I see that, as usual, my main points were disregarded. Semicolon, I do so love your "truths"; they are so educational. Especially the ones that are entirely obvious. As for my causing disruption or lacking points, I'd be '''quite''' pleased to go through each and every edit on a case by case basis, slowly trying to figure out how that could possibly be true. -Were my contributions what most would consider to be substantial? I greatly doubt it. -And if that was all that mattered in life (or, SW; as you seem to consider it a separate entity), the crap you dole out would be totally justified. I can of course assume that those people who made your standard of marginal edits were not also trolled to death by the likes of you, and so did continue to contribute. --I thought a mere one or two PA's of my own were entirely justified by your own, which still continue in a steady stream. Maybe I should try a different technique with such a ..."unique" foe.... : "I'm making fun of you. I'm right. You're a loser. That's the way it is. You're a loser." -Sound familiar?
::::::-Penguin; I made it pretty clear where I '''haven't''' been recently, and why. (MAIN POINT).  Though I have still monitored and made "various and marginal" edits, flying under the CH/SC radar (the ONLY two who have really ..."expressed" having a problem with me). If it's true that CHAWK AND SEMI have and will actually stop actively fucking with people (me), then I'll of course edit more. As for you not understanding the "chime", apology, resolve, or even point of my edit? -That really is '''your''' failing. {{unsigned|Zixor|19:49, 25 February 2010 (UTC)}}
::::::-Penguin; I made it pretty clear where I '''haven't''' been recently, and why. (MAIN POINT).  Though I have still monitored and made "various and marginal" edits, flying under the CH/SC radar (the ONLY two who have really ..."expressed" having a problem with me). If it's true that CHAWK AND SEMI have and will actually stop actively fucking with people (me), then I'll of course edit more. As for you not understanding the "chime", apology, resolve, or even point of my edit? -That really is '''your''' failing. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zixor|contribs]]) 19:49, 25 February 2010 (UTC)</small>
::::::::Zixor, here's an idea:  if you really have so many problems with this site, stop coming to it.  Seriously, since the day you made your account all I have seen out of you is bitching about how this site is run/maintained/has a face.  If you really hate this site and the people on it, stop editing/coming.  But that's not all I have to say.  I'm really sick of your thought that we are going around bullying people.  I can count one person that I ''may'' have somewhat bullied to get to leave the site, and I will still contend that that was for the best, even if it's something I do regret doing and don't plan to ever do again.  Instead, your definition of bullying seems to include anyone who continuously argues their points that disagree with yours and uses actual rhetoric and logic is constructing their arguments.  Also, your "marginal edits" were not trolled until you basically refused to accept that there is a professional scene for this game.  Let me give you a little history lesson.  SmashWiki was started in part by smashboards (and also in part by wikia) before the merge.  In fact, it was intended to be an encyclopedia for Smash, including a large amount of information on the professional scene.  I will also take this moment to point out that information as it pertains to the high-level play is much easier to verify than some random idea/thought/technique from the casual circles.  So, yes, I do hold the professional scene in higher regard than the casual scene, even after only being a part of the latter for more than a year and only ever being tangentially associated with the professional scene.  I have an obligation to what this site was (is) about, and a large part of that means keeping the information to the standards that would be accepted on SmashBoards.  So when a user with two posts waltzes in and tells me that we should start talking about how things are "unfair" I really don't care.  Then we enter into a discussion about why I (and the wiki) shouldn't care, you provide no evidence except to restate your points, tell me that my evidence isn't valid because I'm using it to support my argument (what else am I supposed to do with it?), and then say that I am bullying you because I am winning the argument.  Yes, that pisses me off.  If me arguing my points with you and you not being able to refute what I am saying is "bullying" in your mind, then yes I am bullying you.  But that's not what bullying is.  By your logic, Obama bullied McCain, Lincoln bullied Douglas, and Clarance Darrow bullied every attorney he ever faced.  Oh, and when you say "I'd be '''quite''' pleased to go through each and every edit on a case by case basis" this is about the fifth time that I remember you saying something to the effect of "I could go through and provide examples and evidence, so you should accept my argument even though I'm not going to support it."  That's a great way to argue.  Good post.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 23:28, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Zixor, here's an idea:  if you really have so many problems with this site, stop coming to it.  Seriously, since the day you made your account all I have seen out of you is bitching about how this site is run/maintained/has a face.  If you really hate this site and the people on it, stop editing/coming.  But that's not all I have to say.  I'm really sick of your thought that we are going around bullying people.  I can count one person that I ''may'' have somewhat bullied to get to leave the site, and I will still contend that that was for the best, even if it's something I do regret doing and don't plan to ever do again.  Instead, your definition of bullying seems to include anyone who continuously argues their points that disagree with yours and uses actual rhetoric and logic is constructing their arguments.  Also, your "marginal edits" were not trolled until you basically refused to accept that there is a professional scene for this game.  Let me give you a little history lesson.  SmashWiki was started in part by smashboards (and also in part by wikia) before the merge.  In fact, it was intended to be an encyclopedia for Smash, including a large amount of information on the professional scene.  I will also take this moment to point out that information as it pertains to the high-level play is much easier to verify than some random idea/thought/technique from the casual circles.  So, yes, I do hold the professional scene in higher regard than the casual scene, even after only being a part of the latter for more than a year and only ever being tangentially associated with the professional scene.  I have an obligation to what this site was (is) about, and a large part of that means keeping the information to the standards that would be accepted on SmashBoards.  So when a user with two posts waltzes in and tells me that we should start talking about how things are "unfair" I really don't care.  Then we enter into a discussion about why I (and the wiki) shouldn't care, you provide no evidence except to restate your points, tell me that my evidence isn't valid because I'm using it to support my argument (what else am I supposed to do with it?), and then say that I am bullying you because I am winning the argument.  Yes, that pisses me off.  If me arguing my points with you and you not being able to refute what I am saying is "bullying" in your mind, then yes I am bullying you.  But that's not what bullying is.  By your logic, Obama bullied McCain, Lincoln bullied Douglas, and Clarance Darrow bullied every attorney he ever faced.  Oh, and when you say "I'd be '''quite''' pleased to go through each and every edit on a case by case basis" this is about the fifth time that I remember you saying something to the effect of "I could go through and provide examples and evidence, so you should accept my argument even though I'm not going to support it."  That's a great way to argue.  Good post.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 23:28, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Don't mean to butt in here but I would also like you to note, Zixor, that there are currently ''no active bans'' out on any users who commonly edited. BNK used to be, but frankly, BNK was and is, pound for pound, a much better contributor than you ever were.  All you did was add useless suggestions to talk pages and never really helped the wiki become more informative. BNK has made serious contentful contributions to this wiki. That's my point. Your suggestions were not accomplishing anything. You would say 'I would like to see audio profiles of all the characters'. That's great. Who will help me grind the wheat, or bake the bread? You just wanted to eat the bread. If you seriously had ever wanted to make this wiki a better place, you would have taken your suggestions and turned them into action and legitimiate contributions. Instead you said you would have liked to see it which didn't help anybody. That's why I always 'bullied' you by telling you I didn't care about your suggestions. Because you weren't helping anyone. What is there for me to care about, or say about things like that? Would you have liked me to congratulate you? If you would like me to do that for you in the future I will. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 01:36, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Don't mean to butt in here but I would also like you to note, Zixor, that there are currently ''no active bans'' out on any users who commonly edited. BNK used to be, but frankly, BNK was and is, pound for pound, a much better contributor than you ever were.  All you did was add useless suggestions to talk pages and never really helped the wiki become more informative. BNK has made serious contentful contributions to this wiki. That's my point. Your suggestions were not accomplishing anything. You would say 'I would like to see audio profiles of all the characters'. That's great. Who will help me grind the wheat, or bake the bread? You just wanted to eat the bread. If you seriously had ever wanted to make this wiki a better place, you would have taken your suggestions and turned them into action and legitimiate contributions. Instead you said you would have liked to see it which didn't help anybody. That's why I always 'bullied' you by telling you I didn't care about your suggestions. Because you weren't helping anyone. What is there for me to care about, or say about things like that? Would you have liked me to congratulate you? If you would like me to do that for you in the future I will. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 01:36, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
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==tiers==
==tiers==
You should add a disclaimer to all character's articles saying that things said in the article means nothing given the user's pure effectiveness with the character. It's in the wrong for someone who wants to learn about Ganondorf and finds nothing but complaints, then refuse to even touch him. It's also a disgrace to us Ganondorf fans. {{unsigned|SSBC|20:52, February 27, 2010}}
You should add a disclaimer to all character's articles saying that things said in the article means nothing given the user's pure effectiveness with the character. It's in the wrong for someone who wants to learn about Ganondorf and finds nothing but complaints, then refuse to even touch him. It's also a disgrace to us Ganondorf fans. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:SSBC|SSBC]] ([[User talk:SSBC|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SSBC|contribs]]) 20:52, February 27, 2010</small>
:::There aren't "nothing but complaints", there are truths as to why Ganon sucks.  His jump is short, no matter how good you are, etc.  Don't take it personally.  I main Zelda.  She's low tier too, and while I may somewhat disagree with her exact placement, I accept that she isn't the best character in the game and in a perfect skill balance, she loses to better characters.  But I know that I still play my best with her, so I deal with it.  You should learn to do the same with Ganon.  Oh, and tiers aren't meaningless in the face of skill.  Yes, skill can be more important, but you are a total idiot if you think that there is no way that the innate pros and cons of characters doesn't matter.  Here's an example.  My friend Shane is one hell of a hunter and a damn good shot.  So let's say he and I go head to head and he has a bow and arrow (which he is very good with) and I have a M4 (which, while I can shoot, I don't know that much about).  Even though the M4 is clearly better, my money is on Shane.  But now say I've got the Farsight from PerfectDark.  That thing is so much better (auto-aim, shoot through walls) that his skill don't mean crap.  The first example is kinda like the Zelda v. Ganon match-up, the second is basically Ganon v. Meta Knight.  Tiers exist whether you like them or not.  And the next time you say something to the effect of "you can ban me for saying this..." I will take it as you requesting to be banned.  If you think you are going to be banned for saying something, then you shouldn't be saying it.  And if you don't think you're going to be banned for saying it, why are you prefacing it with such nonsense in the first place?  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 05:11, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
:::There aren't "nothing but complaints", there are truths as to why Ganon sucks.  His jump is short, no matter how good you are, etc.  Don't take it personally.  I main Zelda.  She's low tier too, and while I may somewhat disagree with her exact placement, I accept that she isn't the best character in the game and in a perfect skill balance, she loses to better characters.  But I know that I still play my best with her, so I deal with it.  You should learn to do the same with Ganon.  Oh, and tiers aren't meaningless in the face of skill.  Yes, skill can be more important, but you are a total idiot if you think that there is no way that the innate pros and cons of characters doesn't matter.  Here's an example.  My friend Shane is one hell of a hunter and a damn good shot.  So let's say he and I go head to head and he has a bow and arrow (which he is very good with) and I have a M4 (which, while I can shoot, I don't know that much about).  Even though the M4 is clearly better, my money is on Shane.  But now say I've got the Farsight from PerfectDark.  That thing is so much better (auto-aim, shoot through walls) that his skill don't mean crap.  The first example is kinda like the Zelda v. Ganon match-up, the second is basically Ganon v. Meta Knight.  Tiers exist whether you like them or not.  And the next time you say something to the effect of "you can ban me for saying this..." I will take it as you requesting to be banned.  If you think you are going to be banned for saying something, then you shouldn't be saying it.  And if you don't think you're going to be banned for saying it, why are you prefacing it with such nonsense in the first place?  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 05:11, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
:I propose that such a disclaimer would insinuate that the average user has no common sense. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 21:06, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
:I propose that such a disclaimer would insinuate that the average user has no common sense. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 21:06, February 27, 2010 (UTC)