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 This page has been (selectively) copied from [http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/GuildWiki:Sign_your_comments GuildWiki]. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 00:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
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 So apparently I fail at following all rules and made an animated signature. I've had it for a while, yet I didn't learn until now about this "no animated sigs" rule. So I'm wondering: does everyone agree to the rule? I've only gotten one complaint about animated sigs, and it was because of this rule, not because it was distracting. So should we make changes or modify the rule? [[Image:SDFnW_SmashWiki_sig.gif]] -  <small>([[User:Silverdragon706|U]] • [[User talk:Silverdragon706|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Silverdragon706|C]] )</small> 08:03, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
-:I think animated sigs (Like F&W's) Are fine. But ones like my old one (On MS paint, I didn't realize it was actually that big)are too distracting. I say we change the rule to the max number of px = 207,26 '''''MAX'''''. I'm currently creating a newer, smaller signature, and i'm stalling the process of turning it into a .gif file until it's safe to upload from deletion. [[Image:My_signature!.gif]] ('''[[User:The blue blur|<span style="color:cyan;">U</span>]]-[[User talk:The blue blur|<span style="color:blue;">T</span>]]-[[Special:Contributions/The blue blur|<span style="color:darkblue;">C</span>]]''') 11:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
+:I think animated sigs (Like F&W's) Are fine. But ones like my old one (On MS paint, I didn't realize it was actually that big)are too distracting. I say we change the rule to the max number of px = 207,26 '''''MAX'''''. I'm currently creating a newer, smaller signature, and i'm stalling the process of turning it into a .gif file until it's safe to upload from deletion. [[Image:My_signature!.gif] ('''[[User:The blue blur|<span style="color:cyan;">U</span>]]-[[User talk:The blue blur|<span style="color:blue;">T</span>]]-[[Special:Contributions/The blue blur|<span style="color:darkblue;">C</span>]]''') 11:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 :I think they can in fact be distracting sometimes. For example, when you have 5-6 of FnW's sigs on the screen at once, it can be kinda distracting to see 6 names go up in flames, or get splashed. I think the size of FnW's should be the max if we do allow them, but I honestly don't like them and they're distracting. I spend more time trying to figure out what TBB's says then actually reading the comments.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 12:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
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 :::I '''agree''' with Toomai's idea for the reasons already stated, and also will agree with making the size limit of images 16 px high, if that happens to come up. <font face="Triforce">[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="purple">Dokteur</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="purple">Pain99</font>]]</font>  20:22, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
+== No templates ==
+I see no real problem with having signature templates. The explanation given in the policy page is very weak; many things are common vandalism targets, which we never use as a reason to not allow something, and any vandalism on the templates would be simple to fix. Plus, the average vandal wouldn't know about these templates and/or how to get to them. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:38, 22 October 2011 (EDT)
+:I understand that serious red-link problems can occur in the case of a deletion of a signature template, but otherwise I have no objection. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  22:50, 22 October 2011 (EDT)
+::We would have no reason though to delete them, nor would users need to make multiple templates. Plus, the same problem can occur with images, which are allowed. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:54, 22 October 2011 (EDT)
+:Are you planning to actually address the server resource issue or just conveniently ignore it? &ndash; [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 14:05, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
+::How much of a drain on server resources is it? That policy was written when we were part of Wikia, right? I'm not very tech savy, so can someone explain the matter more? [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  14:18, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
+::Then that should be written why they're not allowed in the policy, rather than saying them being vulnerable to vandalism is why they're not allowed. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 14:22, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
+:::"Transclusions and parser functions in signatures are avoidable drains on server resources. Transcluded signatures require extra processing. Whenever you change your signature source, all talk pages you have posted on must be re-cached. " Reading is hard.
+:::Anon: Among the top 100 most-linked to pages in the wiki, there are 15 users (and sometimes associated talk pages). The top linked user is Clarinet Hawk, with almost 700 links. If CHawk had been using a template for his signature, and he decided to change it, ''all 700'' of those pages he's signed on have to be recached-- now suppose all 15 of those top-linked users changed their signature. &ndash; [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 14:54, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
+::::Ah, I see now. Yeah templates in signatures would not be a good idea. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  15:05, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
+::::I did read that, but isn't it referring to tags that use transclusions/parser functions, rather than referring specifically to templates? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:53, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
+:::::Templates are used by transcluding. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Keymaster 15:55, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
+::::::What about parser functions? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:23, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
+:::::::I believe parser functions have to be recalculated on every page load, though it depends on whether their results can be cached. Using parser functions for random signatures would definitely cause constant recalculation if you don't use substitution. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Different 12:44, 6 January 2012 (EST)
+== Image rule reworking ==
+From the section two above, we need to re-evaluate the rules about images in signatures. I can see four possibilities:
+#Keep the rule as-is and start enforcing it better.
+#Enforce the rule better and remove the ability to use a duplicate of a mainspace image. We don't want loose duplicates running around if someone changes the image they're using. The idea is, if you want an image, is has to be yours and yours alone.
+#Change to rule to read "If you want an image, it must be <code>UsernameSigImage.ext</code>" or "If you want an image, it must be in <code>Category:Signature images</code>". Keeps things consistent and allows easy categorization. Would require a rule about how often they can be changed.
+#Disallow images entirely. A bad idea in my opinion but an idea nevertheless.
+[[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Different 12:44, 6 January 2012 (EST)
+:I like rule 3. We can do both rules; if we only want to do one of them, I'd rather have the Category:Signature images be put into effect. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<sub>{ROLLBACKER}</sub>]] 16:24, 6 January 2012 (EST)
+:'''rule 3-B''' (aka the "category: sig pics" rule)[[User:Pokémonultimate|<font color="red">'''Pokémon'''</font>]][[User talk:Pokémonultimate|<font color="blue">'''ultimate'''</font>]] [[File:ToonLinkHeadSSBB.png|20px]] ''The Hero of '''WIN'''ds'' 19:55, 6 January 2012 (EST)
+:Notice that your "the idea is..." part of rule 2 is exactly what the current policy is supposed to reflect. The only thing the currently policy doesn't have going for it is that it's utterly unenforced-- which is a problem of administration, not a problem of policy. I'd prefer fixing the former as opposed to amending the latter unnecessarily :p &ndash; [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 18:16, 9 January 2012 (EST)
+:Addendum: Also note that I called for such 3 months ago, 2 sections up. I still believe actually stepping up this time is the best option. &ndash; [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 18:51, 9 January 2012 (EST)
+::The reason I'm thinking about rule tweaks in addition to enforcing is that it's currently possible for someone to upload a scad of duplicate images for their sig and not use all of them, and if someone changes their sig image a lot (something that should also be canned) we end up with a lot of duplicates that are used infrequently at best. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Honcho 19:02, 9 January 2012 (EST)
+:imo, #4 is the only way to go. Sig images are '''never''' necessary. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 18:55, 9 January 2012 (EST)
+::While not "necessary" they, when used properly, are an additional way to quickly identify the user. Humans are a lot better at quickly identifying images than text. Sig images have also been allowed for the entire history of the wiki so I'm highly against removing them outright. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Honcho 19:02, 9 January 2012 (EST)
+*I support #3. --'''''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:midnightblue;">Havoc</span>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:indigo;">Reaper48</span>]]''''' 19:08, 12 January 2012 (EST)
+*Rule 3 seems like the best way to go. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 00:13, 13 January 2012 (EST)
+*As with the others, I agree that Rule 3 would be the superior choice, as it allows users to have the freedom of any image in their signature with no restriction against it. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 08:43, 13 January 2012 (EST)
+* 3, since it is quite difficult for people to make their own images and this keeps confusion (e.g. if users put a different name for a signature image than we would expect. [[User:LightningBlue|<span style="font-family:arial black; color:skyblue"> LightningBlue:]]</span> <span style="font-family:arial black"> [[User Talk:LightningBlue|<span style="color:yellow">Electric!</span>]] </span>  19:39, 13 January 2012 (EST)